Wouldn't fault the kid for wanting to get out of town where he can get out from the shadow of the Shoe and expectations (it's a GREAT shadow thought).
BUT, it sounds like he knows Coach J is THE BEST at what he does and he won't get prepared or developed better anywhere else. That is the reason Ohio State should be the favorite until Harrison says otherwise. He's a smart, quiet kid who sounds like he knows how to look at things objectively.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Agreed - just look at Joey and Nick to name only two players. Each will be top three picks and you don't get to that point on solely talent (though they have plenty). Heck, Coach J made a converted lacrosse player into a high draft pick.
Also add in Chase Young who also looks like a lock to be a top 5 pick. It's easy money to come to OSU. He will be developed better here, and after three years be a top 10 pick. TTUN can't say that
I’d say a lock for Young is a tad premature.
Braving the long dark of the offseason
He's basically a Jadeveon Clowney clone. Freak of nature! I agree though lock might be premature, but if I had to bet a significant amount of money that mattered to me... I would feel comfortable betting he's a top 10 pick
He will be a Top 10 pick wherever he goes.
If still talking about Young agreed. Dude is a monster. It don’t matter how many stars he had next to name. Turn on the tape and you see a true freshman destroy o-lines and getting reps over other highly rated recruits. The fact that he got playing time at all is a testament. Throw in the fact when he was in he was dominate. Dude is a lock bearing injury or off field stuff to be top 10 if not top 5
Talking about Harrison. That’s what the article is about.
It looks to me that this sub thread is about Young. I could have read it wrong
Until we actually see Chase Young live up to the hype this season he's not a lock for anything NFL-related yet (same goes for Haskins who many are already saying will be a Heisman trophy winner and a top-10 pick next year in the 2019 Draft). I have no doubt Young will be a good player but Bosa is already projected to be the number 1 overall pick next year. If Young jumps to the NFL with him I highly doubt they both become top 5 picks together playing the same position, that's almost unheard of in college football.
Young can’t go pro for 2 more years.
Not to be that guy, but didn’t Big Bear go 4th? I thought Zehr was 3 and Joey 4.
"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE
Joey was 3rd overall....1st defensive player taken
Bosa was 3. Top non QB that year.
Don't look at the Bosas - their success stories may have been inevitable. Look at the drop-off in talent behind the starters - there isn't much of one, regardless of who the player is. No matter the rating, the D-linemen are ready to play. THAT is the testament to Coach J.
I don't think anyone is a lock. We have seen plenty of 5* HS players fall off. This decision is a big one for his future for just reason. Choose well young OHIOIAN...
I admire low key 4* and 5* recruits like Zach Harrison more than the attention seekers. As long as they pick the Horseshoe at decision time.
I think you comment on Hubbard is more of a testament to Johnson's ability.
I mean, Michigan does offer a great education in terms of how to lose to Ohio State. They really put knowledge into action.
And for what it's worth...we just had another commit from someone that chose us over Stanford because we offered more when including both football AND academics so...
the whole "better degree" at the undergrad level is pretty much BS unless you're talking engineering etc but for 90+% of kids in the employment world a degree from OSU vs UM is meaningless to the vast majority of employers
You WIN with people.
+1 (Other than the engineering part, because I love to razz engineers. Why are Texas A&M and India similar? They both create thousands of terrible engineers!)
Going to top flight universities is, more than anything, about the relationships and contacts you make. Those are nearly priceless.
Being an Ohio State football players provides even more possibility for networking and contacts, negating in part that benefit of more prestigious/elite colleges.
/But I'd still send my kid to Stanford.
Basically. Where you went to school only matters in industries where skills and knowledge matter less than who you know or what name is on your diploma. Jobs that require actual work tend to care less about where you went and more about what you can do.
This is reality. I work in Medicine and no one cares where anyone went to school. You are good or your not. My eldest child is a lawyer and while I will not say that results don't matter, where you went to school seems to follow you to a certain extent for life. My father was an engineer and always said 5 years after you graduate no one cares where you went to school.
Disagree. As someone who has been in the technology space for 39 years where the degree comes from does matter, especially for companies who are leaders in innovation and advanced edge of using technology. There is a reason that the Googles, Amazons, and Facebooks of the world prefer to take candidates from MIT, Stanford, Carnegie Mellon, the Ivies, etc. May not matter as much to your traditional companies who are also not willing to pay for that level of talent but it does matter to Silicon Valley and companies of that nature. Yes, they take them from other universities but their heaviest recruiting is on the campuses of those upper echelon schools.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Harvard degree vs. OSU is a different story than UM degree vs. OSU.
In my professional world UM and OSU are equivalent quality for a bachelor's degree. There is no "academic" advantage to UM, I think this is a hold-over talking point from 40 years ago or something.
Harvsrd costs a lot more than Ohio State...Is harvard other than being older have such higher academic standards at the university?
I work for a small company. And we recruit at all of the schools in the area. A lot of UF FSU and Auburn. But I get just as many people from USF and UCF and Florida poly, which didn’t even exist 5 years ago. I hire people. The name on their degree doesn’t mean shit to our team. That attitude has gotten us a lot of great people. Great people will find success regardless. I feel too many kids get swayed by school names and number of people sent to the nfl. If Zach is a great player with a great work ethic he will make it wherever he goes. Don’t go to a bad coach or one that doesn’t inspire you to push and work. But those are pretty easy to weed out.
So I’d say go to the school that you want to be associated with for the next 40 years.
TL;DR: Have fun, get good grades, don't miss a football game.
A big part of it where do you want to work after graduation? If you want to stay in a geographic area than any of the top schools in that region are fine; as many companies will have grads from all the schools and tend to concentrate hiring in those areas. In addition, it is somewhat easier to hire a tOSU/UM/Purdue/etc. grad because you aren't competing as heavily as you would be if you are chasing Stanford / Harvard / MIT / etc. grads who have lofty expectations of salaries. More important is how well you do. A top student at tOSU will be fine; as one HR person I know put it "Top students at strong state schools are as good as those at a top 10 school; just for whatever reason they didn't wind up at a top 10 school."
Schools also tend to be strong in specific areas within majors, for example if you want to be a welding engineer tOSU has a top program.
Grad school tends to be a different story; but again a lot depends on your goals. If you are at a company where you want to stay and they offer say an MBA or MSEng at a specific local school, that degree is going to be valued, especially since many of the people there will have gone to the same school. On the other hand, the school does matter for some professions. If you want to be a professor at a top school, pedigree is important. Wall Street and some consulting firms can also be very clannish; I worked for a company where unless your grad degree had one of a handful of school names on it the chances of getting hired were slim. Some great companies tend not to recruit heavily at top schools because, as one recruiter put it, it's hard to compete with consulting and banking offers in terms of salaries and bonuses.
Once you are out of school a while, network and reputation are more important than the name on the diploma. Every job I have had after my first three were the result of a friends recommendation.
In defense of engineers, the current job market seems to be favorable no matter where you went to school; in terms of being able to find a job and having multiple opportunities with solid companies. You may not wind up at Google but you won't be unemployed either.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Agreed. If you can create & navigate in excel, then you can pretty much get a job (with any BA).
Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes- 2014 UNDISPUTED National Champions!
Thanks for the summary. A lot of the points you made make plenty of sense.
Question: so Zach seems to be bonding with some TTUN commits....does he at all have any relationships with any OSU recruits/commits? OSU players under Meyer have always seemed like a tight-knit bunch, so I'd actually be surprised for once if that "family" atmosphere wasn't something Zach was experiencing (with the players).
Good luck to Zach - seems like a really good kid. I'll watch him wherever he goes, and will root for him even if he ends up somewhere else (except when they play the Bucks). Buuuuut...let's just have him be a Buckeye. :-)
Thinkijg about the family atmosphere I could see Michigan feeling a bit different than tOSU bc they are less of a national draw. You have to figure more of their players are familiar with each other because they played each other in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania growing up. Sure theyvstill get national recruits but I would imagine they have a more midwestern feel in Ann Arbor bc they have not had the success of tOSU and thus the draw to recruit kids from all across the US. Maybe there is more of a feel of family in UM's current class bc its full of MI kids and its almost full period? In the end I think its all moot bc I believe Harrison stays home, he seems nothing like Carman did. And that is a very good thing.
Interesting thoughts. +1
Yes. Interesting thoughts.
Less of a national draw? Have you seen their roster? They have players from all over the country. Most teams - the successful ones, anyway - have a "family atmosphere". I would not guess MI's is any more or less so than OSU. I would also say the same about their academics.
They have one from Germany.
Meh, so does Ohio State. From Sean Nuernberger's LinkedIn profile:
I am currently a student-athlete for The Ohio State Buckeyes football team. I was born and raised in Bamberg, Germany, but my family currently lives in Louisville, KY.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
For the sake of 11W commenters, I hope he comes here. After the reaction to losing Carman, I'm not sure I want to imagine how many people are going to flip their lid if Ohio State loses the top player in Ohio for a second year in a row.
One player even as good as Harrison were to pick ttun it is not going to matter that much in the larger scheme of things.... but it will torment Buckeye fan egos at that moment and for years to come.....
Pro - it will matter. Just ask the coaches. This kind of OH kid comes around .....not often. A Clowney clone.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they come they go, but the program never falters.
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
Exactly. If the kid comes here, we'll celebrate through gifs and interpretive dance. If he doesn't, Meyer will get someone else to kick butt- DE recruiting has been pretty great for awhile now. Michigan has some recent success pulling best of the best guys like Gerbil Peppers and Rashan Gary, and look at how that's went for them.
A man got to have a code...
Gary will be one of the best defensive players in the B1G this year...
And Peppers won a September Heisman for them, I think.
Indeed. How has that translated on the scoreboard?
Don't say that-you're killing the starhanderouters panic vibe!
I know, the real world is crazy like that huh? I like to follow recruiting here and there, but getting outright pissed at a 17/18 year old kid making a life decision is a bit much.
Its not like Ohio State football would cease to exist if he went elsewhere. How many 4/5 stars guys are in the program now that were "must gets"?
Rk84 well said ..I didn't see your comment before I made mine...
Either way, we will be okay. One recruit does not make or break Ohio State football. We have been fortunate to have all of the recruiting success we have had in recent years. To be honest, every other school in the BIG has a lot of work to catch up to us in terms of talent. I hope Harrison makes the best decision for him and his happiness. That being said, if he chooses Michigan, he will be in for 4 years of disappointment.
"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)
He’s probably good enough that it will fortunately (for him) only be 3 years of disappointment.
Well said O
We absolutely need him but our world will not end if he chooses another direction.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Losing Carman came also with losing a bunch of baggage. That's obviously not the case here.
This kid would be a much bigger loss. Hopefully Coach Johnson prevails, as he stated, they don't get better. And that's across the board, he's the complete package.
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Hopefully he’s just trolling them, intentionally setting them up for an epic letdown. That would be great.
I went to college 20 minutes from home and my parents told me to come home only if I wanted to come home and enjoy being on my own. So not really buying that I got to be on my own reason, you can still be on your own and have tje backup of home just 20 minutes away.
Getting that Homemade meal was a nice fallback also
Whether it's Columbus, Ann Arbor or State College he's going to be at a giant school living in a dorm with his personal time tightly scheduled between the demands of football and classes, so I don't think he'll be going home all that much.
It's different if you live at home and commute to OSU, but Harrison won't face that challenge.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Were you the #1 recruit in the nation living 20 min. from home and everybody you see swears they grow up with you, and your new cousins want tickets?
I understand why he doesn't want to be at college 20 miles from home. I made the same decision. But I wasn't a monster getting recruited to play football at the time. Go to OSU, get the national recognition, be the 3rd guy to go in the top 5 of the draft and you won't be living near your parents any more. Come on kid! (I'm not going to blame him if he doesn't end up at OSU though).
Chase Young would like a word on this "3rd guy" business.
Because I couldn't go for 3.
With what is currently stack at his position, that number is likely to grow! But that should be a positive for choosing OSU and their unequaled coach!!!
Everything going to be alright.
The sentiment above is totally true, but it's worth reiterating, Ohio State is going to be fine no matter what Zach Harrison decides...
That said, he's such a massive get, an in-state guy, lives 20 miles from the shoe, and just happens to be the #1 rated recruit in the country. How often does that come to pass?
If you can pinpoint the definition of "must-get" it has to be this kid. Carman was in that arena last year, but he's a Cincinnati kid, and we know how it works with those guys (not to mention his tendency to be a diva about the recruiting process). With Harrison, man if you grow up in the shadow of Ohio Stadium and have a chance to be a difference maker there, that's huge.
I envy Harrison for the position he is in, but not for the size of the decision he will have to make.
Best of luck to him.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Ultimately, I hope Harrison is able to figure out what is best for himself and commits there. It is his life to live and really would hate for him to regret it and transfer down the road. Obviously, I hope he chooses OSU and I think OSU can be a great opportunity for him, but you do you, man. I like seeing these guys try to really think through such an important decision.
Wishing the young man well. Things always work out the way they're supposed to. We should be familiar with the top 20 DE.
How about letting him play safety also? A Kam Chancellor-like presence in the secondary, intimidating the hell out of every opposing receiver. Yes I'm kidding... sort of....
In all seriousness, it sounds like he just needs a good summer vacation, just up and go somewhere, get away from it all for a couple weeks. Fish, Hike, Camp (but not a football camp, and definitely not a football barbecue), and chill. That might very well would bring the perspective & clarity he's looking for when he returns.
The guy is from Olentangy right? I don't know why he is even considering going up North, I guess if he wants to lose 3 or 4 straight years go for it.
Good luck to him and like others have said, I hope he makes the best decision for himself and his family but would sure rather see him wearing scarlet and gray than the other colors.
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
Stay home and play for the hands down best D line coach in America, compete for a spot in the CFP every year, work hard and follow in the steps of Giants such as Bosa, Bosa, Heyward, (Young?)??
Maybe not, but if not, why not? I want to get away from mom and dad at age 18? I don't want the pressure of expectations so close to home?
I expect that if he stays home, stays grounded in family and the greatness of Buckeye Nation, he will become the next great defensive player from tOSU. If he goes elsewhere, maybe, maybe not. Tough call for a young man but I encourage you to embrace the pressure and competition now, because it only gets tougher as you grow up, especially if you have dreams of playing in the NFL.
I don't want the pressure of expectations so close to home?
Conversely, if he goes to TTUN he risks the potential negativity associated with wearing a blue uniform playing in Columbus.
I like how you said 'potential' as if it's not a mortal lock.
LOL. He's still weighing his options. The option of going north has potential ramifications that he should consider.
Put on that blue uniform and you should know by heart what happens next.
This is the kid who has been sneaking into the WHAC to work with Coach LJ and then scooting out before the media show ups. I just can't see him going anywhere else. That bond seems really strong.
Fields of Dreams
How do you know that? Because I’m pretty sure a college coach privately working out a high school kid during a dead period is a massive recruiting violation. There’s no way anyone’s letting that happen. So unless you have video or pictures of these alleged 1:1 workouts, I’m going to have to call bullshit on this.
He can visit on his own as much as he wants. And if he wants some instruction on getting better from a coach while he's there, there is know rule against it. I think he is a silent or a 95% commit to OSU. It is sometimes hard for a kid to tell a grown man who has been recruiting you for 2 years and who really like the bad news.
In many cases I could go with that. The difference is he doesn't like the recruiting thing and is a straight shooter I feel.
He can visit on his own as much as he wants. And if he wants some instruction on getting better from a coach while he's there, there is know rule against it.
I think you better brush up on your NCAA rules. 1) yes, he can visit campus any time he wants but during a dead period, coaches are prohibited from having any kind of personal contact. 2) College coaches are not giving prospects private coaching sessions on even a semi-regular basis because a), it creates an unfair advantage for both the school and the player unless other prospects are getting the same kind of attention, hence the use of camps and clinics to create the facade of everyone being treated equally, and b) they have their own players they should be coaching. You honestly think Larry Johnson is spending time secretly working out a high school kid who’s not currently on his team, who might never be on his team, and who could, in fact, choose a rival team at the expense of the players who are? If you do, can I interest you in some land I have for sale in Florida?
I’m not sure what your deal is, but the rumors of his visits with Johnson did not occur during a dead period.
and if Johnson likes a kid and thinks it will help get a kid to osu, why wouldn’t he take a little time to run him through some drills and give him some things to work on?
Pro tip: DL coaches aren’t coaching their current players 24/7.
It wasn't during the dead period. It was in the morning before the camp on Tuesday, June 12th.
They can't coach current players right now. So Larry Johnson probably has some time to meet with Zach here and there.
They can't coach current players right now. So Larry Johnson probably has some time to meet with Zach here and there.
What part of "dead period" don't you understand?
Calm down. He just means there have been events at OSU in the past where Harrison showed up early, worked out, and then was gone before most of the media knew he was there. It was reported by Birm or maybe Andrew (can't remember exactly) when it happened because they caught a glimpse of him as they were arriving. It didn't happen recently, and it wasn't during a dead period.
Did you even read my post? My emotional well-being has nothing to do with this. I simply think we should be able to discuss the positives and negatives of recruiting without people making posts like the one you just made. Anytime someone even dares to mention that OSU might not get one of their targets, the person who brought it up is just hammered with stuff about them being a worrier or being too negative. It gets old, but that's just my opinion.
Discussing negatives of recruiting isn't the same as being completely misinformed. You weren't talking about not landing Harrison. You were talking about the staff committing "massive" recruiting violations when that's not what was happening at all.
I think he wants to get away from home but close enough for family to still see him play. That's why PSU was in play until he visited Michigan. He likes Michigan over PSU I feel and it's down to stay home or get away to Michigan. Then again Bill K. has him at OSU and lives near the Harrisons and knows the family. If not for that CB I would say Michigan.
Expect the worst, hope for the best. He isn’t coming to Ohio State.
Behind every silver lining there’s a cloud.
Right now there are no other visits planned, but you can bet Michigan will be trying to get him back in town for the July 28 "Barbecue at the Big House." We'll all be in wait-and-see mode for the rest of the month and potentially through part of August.
The current dead period runs through Tuesday, July 24...so why was FNL moved up to June and not held on Friday, July 27?
Yeah, Penn State (Lasch Bash) and Michigan (BBQ) both have large recruiting events in July, so I wish we had something to counter these events. I’d guess Harrison goes to both events so we’ll have to sweat out both of those visits.
I've kind of been wondering the same thing. I think it was just moved so it would be the same weekend as the biggest official visit weekend of the summer, but I can definitely see why some would view that as a questionable decision.
Hasn't michigan been "building something special" for what seems like 10 years now?
True story: I served ribs to John Cooper.
That's what I was thinking. This years class is only rated in the top 10 because other classes aren't filled out as much. The longer we go in the year the more they will drop. I looked at it closely and could see as many as 12 schools passing them easily. There are only a handful of 'specials' the last three years and while we are one of them UM isn't close to being one of them.
Hey man they flipped our 3 star baseball commit. Real special class they got goin on up there.
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
"Hasn't michigan been "building something special" for what seems like 10 years now?"
This is precisely what I was thinking. One can only sell the future for so long before it is revealed as fiction. Or did the TTUN coaching staff tell Rashan Gary that his second season would be 7-5?
Meanwhile, Urban Meyer is the active coach with the highest win percentage ... and that includes Saban.
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
Im in the let the kids go where they want to go boat, and will hold no ill will at any teenager for making ehat they think is the best decision.
OTOH, those private lessons from the best damn DL coach in the land may be a carry a little salt if he uses that knowledge against us
I don’t see this class as being “down” like some others. I think the staff is simply going after several versatile guys who could potentially develop into multiple different positions to fill their needs. Some kids are rated lower than the prototypical 5-star but the staff knows exactly what they want as they are evaluating these guys year round. Players like Craig Young and Steele Chambers come to mind who could be two steals of the group. If things go our way with Harrison and a guy like Darnell Wright, I think we can still finish with a top 5 class.
Hope this kid makes the right choice to be a Buckeye. I understand not wanting to be so close to parents, but putting into perspective, you have blessing and a prime opportunity to play in front of your family for 3-4 years at OSU and be developed by the absolute best. You don't get that same option when you get to the NFL. Play at OSU kid and remember the time you get with family is precious so take advantage of it now while you can!
Read the article, but not all the comments, so apologies.
But sweat what? Is Harrison supposed to be all OSU right now? He's an elite prospect and should be looking at/listening to any and all opportunities to play big time ball at the next level.
Went through this last year with Carman (although that's a completely different dude), so I'm not on the roller coaster this go around.
I sure wouldn't mind if Zach Harrison stays home, but if he goes...he goes. Ohio State will land their guy.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
I think it's just stirred up drama. He's been to OSU a million times and is a perfect fit here. If he were to take another visit to say TTUN's BBQ then I'd be a little more worried.
OSU has everything. The program. The pedigree. The coaches. The results.
OOS recruits can see it. Many say that's the place for them. The commit. Sign. Develop. Win. Get paid.
Seems that all that OSU football is...well it's maybe too close up for some of Ohio's best to see and realize. For some reason. Hopefully Harrison comes around.
Harrison will decide where he will continue his education and football career on his terms. As we know, most of these decisions come down to head vs. heart. Best wishes to Zach. Go Bucks!
Harrison has a ton of upside but he still needs to get a lot stronger and get the proper coaching. Right now he relies on his speed to beat guys around the edge...but you can't be a one trick pony in college. Coach Mick and LJ would love to get their hands on him.
Zach, if you are reading this, I got one thing to say for you bro........time to put on for your City. There is nothing better than a player of your caliber coming from our own back yard and producing on the field for our beloved state. Good luck wherever you end up, but I would be lying to say that we are not foaming to have a young man like you wear the scarlet and grey and go knock the piss out of meatchicken, state penn, and the "beloved" SEC. Please stay home.
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
Maybe Zach is just trolling Michigan? That would be hilarious.
Playing for 2 all time greats in LJ and Urban or playing for an also ran? Seems like a no brainer, but the minds of 17 year olds don't make sense often.
Where else you gonna get gold pants?
Looking at the ratings today, it looks like OSU has a real good chance at another top 3 finish. Hopefully Harrison will sign and they can pass OU and maybe Bama (just filling out the class should get them by TTUN, A&M, and LSU
Zach Harrison is a bright young man who is fully considering his future. It's understandable to think about going to school farther away from home. Many of us thought the same at that age. Zach is also absolutely right that Larry Johnson is the best defensive line coach and mentor in college football. Period. It's clear he respects Coach Johnson completely as he should. And respect is the greatest thing someone can offer and earn. Larry Johnson is a high caliber person of unassailable character. He is genuinely and profoundly committed to fully developing his players for all aspects of life ... not just football. There is no better apprenticeship for the future than with Larry Johnson.That point will not be lost on the Harrison's who will ultimately recognize the truth.
If Meyer and Johnson are truly after this kid I’m sure they’ve reached out to Joshua Perry an Olentangy Orange alumn who has a new condo literally right behind the football field at Olentangy Orange HS and asked him to speak with the kid. JP is a cool cat actually met him while workin on his condo along with his mom.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~ Woody Hayes
Players rankings are going to change a few more times before they sign. I feel this class has a few more risers than in the past. Many of these kids play many positions once they get here and settle on just one watch out. I remember John Simon how some said his stock went down his senior year while playing at Mooney. Some people didn't know he was playing TE for the first time for them and being doubled teamed all year.
Perry went to Olentangy, not Orange, I believe
With all the praise , well deserved, that Coach Johnson receives , it is very surprising that he is one of the lowest paid assistant coaches on staff. I feel that with his experience and impact on recruiting , he should be paid similarly to the OC and DC.
The Bucks will be fine either way. No one player makes a program, but to miss on a such an elite in-state talent (this time, to an in-division rival no less) two years running would be a pretty huge disappointment IMO.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
Losing him to UM wouldn't be as bad for me if it were not for Carman. We'll lose one once in a while but one in back to back years starts a trend. I try to look at it as though he lived in a neutral state because the prediction balls are swayed by location. It looks pretty even looking at it that way but if he has a return trip before committing then I think it will have a sad ending for us. Let's face it, he would be a bigger fish in that pond up there.
I am still being hopeful that he ends up at OSU. Just have to wait and see where things fall. It is obvious that he likes both schools. And has good things to say about both but I still think he ends up at OSU.
The appeal of UM, although the building something special thing is a joke from the past few years, to me speaks to their defense. Their defensive side is well coached and plays well. It is hard to argue that point much. I can see the appeal. However, OSU's defensive lines are scary and put guys into the league at fairly high rates.
Up to the kid but I still think and hope he ends up at OSU.
From the little bit I know about Zach Harrison's recruitment, I feel like the most important thing is convincing him that Larry Johnson will be the Ohio State DL coach for the next 3-4 years. If Coach Johnson is able to convince (and commit) to that, in my opinion Harrison is a Buckeye.
I can't understand an Ohio boy, with an opportunity to play football for THE OHIO STATE, not being all over it. That should be enough. So I just don't get it. If the kid is not fired up to play for TOS, move on. Don't close the door, but don't wait on him. Go to your next in line. Carman's recruitment showed us if they are hesitant to pledge, there is probably something going on. Thank God for Petit-Frere. So I say, move on to Thibodeaux and Bogle. Even Isaac and Latu. Sign one or a verbal before it's to late. And if Harrison decides he wants to play for TOS, take him. But don't be left with an empty hand.
You don't just move on from the top HS player because he wasn't sure just because you call. He will be a Buckeye, so let him enjoy the ride.
I read very little about his relationship with Meyer yet Harbaugh is looked upon as a "good guy". Can anyone shed some light on this since it is notoriously absent or very limited?
That's one of the concerns (for me at least). There seems to be very little talk about Meyer. I know the kid really likes James Franklin and he's said some things about Harbaugh as well, but when he speaks of OSU it's almost solely about LJ. I guess that's not totally uncommon and maybe it's just a matter of Urban letting a seasoned veteran coach do his thing, but it's definitely a little curious.
I have to say it is a bit surprising to read this piece from Andrew. Unless Andrew was trolling everyone in the comments of forum posts recently, he seemed very confident that Harrison was a Buckeye despite all of the talk surrounding his uncertainty. I know recruiting is fluid, and unpredictable, but this article almost reads as a walk back on that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Andrew is just reporting based on the information that Harrison has stated publicly. The quotes he gave recently are what's included in the article, and I think he has to take what he says at face value, whether it's entirely true or not.
That could be wishful thinking on my part, and I admit that it does seem like Harrison is far from a sure thing, but I think Urban and LJ will get him in the end.
I totally agree with you, he is just reporting what Harrison is putting out there. By all means it is a fair and unbiased article. I was surprised because in threads on the 11W forums there were other articles that talked about this same thing, and he didn't seem to take them seriously. He still believes that Harrison ends up with OSU, and I also think we have a shot. Personally though, if I had to put it as a percentage, my confidence is not above 50% on him being a Buckeye.
Not at all. I've got Harrison to Ohio State. Nothing has changed on that front for me.
Understood, and don't get me wrong, I would not want to paint the picture that I feel this site has writers who are "trolls" (save for D.J. on occasion). I just thought it was interesting to see how confident you and Ellis were in the forum discussions earlier this month, to then read this article where it does not seem so confident. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Lets just hope and pray that Coach Johnson stays for at least 2 more years and he can retire after Harrison’s freshman year if he wants to. I hope he sticks around for a lot longer than that but I have a feeling he’ll retire in 2-3 years
I’ve heard in multiple places he told last years class he’d see them through. So 3-4 yrs.
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