The Hurry Up: Friday Night Lights Visit Solidifies Linebacker Derek Wingo’s Thoughts on Ohio State While Running Back Darvon Hubbard Lands Offer

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I'm still not 100% sold on Hubbard. Watching his tape, either a lot of it is JV or scrub minutes because a) Miller isn't the QB on every play, and b) a lot of the players on both teams look smaller and slower and less polished than I'd expect to see from HS juniors and seniors.

I know we talk a lot about noncommittable versus committable offers and that personally working out for the coaches is often the difference between "we're interested in you" (noncommittable) and "we want you to play for us" (committable). 

Given that he's put in the time coming to Columbus, is this is a fully committable offer?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Bucks19's picture

 We are not going to screw with Miller‘s teammate. No way! 

And an ex-Ohio kid. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So it’s a package deal? Something Urban’s publicly said he won’t do? But he gave Hubbard a fully commitable offer to get Miller when Miller came that farcommitting at FNL? Yeah, sure, okay, why not?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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KevinJ's picture

LOL, you're entitled to your opinion but I'll side with the professionals, not the I watched tape internet expert, there were a lot of fans pissed off because Meyer and company passed on Green for Elliot. There are a lot of people who actually know football and are extremely happy Hubbard got his offer. 

Keep watching tape. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Now that’s funny: first I get accused of worshiping at the altar of the “#starhanderouters” and then I get mocked by a lemming like you for have the unmitigated temerity to challenge Hubbard’s caliber of competition and question if his offer is a commitable or not (which, by the way, has not been answered by a “professional”). I forgot this was the Jonesboro of Buckeye message boards and heaven forbid I have a mind of my own—which, again, I’ve been against of not having—and refuse to lamely fall into the gallows line with drones like you. But keep drinking the kool aid, bud.

Sampson James is ranked the 7th best RB in 2019’s class. Brian Snead was 3rd,  Master Teague 11th, J.K. Dobbins 2nd, Antonio Williams—who’s already transferred—was 7th, Mike Weber was 7th, Ezekiel Elliott was 5th, Brion’te Dunn was 8th, and Warren Ball was 13th.

Meanwhile, Hubbard is currently ranked the 23rd best RB in the 2020 class. That would be by far the lowest ranking of any RB Urban’s signed. And for the record, I never said he won’t be a Buckeye but that I think he needs to show more. So yeah, while that’s my opinion, until he accepts the offer, that doesn’t make me wrong nor you right.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Numbers's picture

these rankings are not finalized. Teague in particular was a composite 3 star when offered. Elliott I believe was not a top 250 guy early on either.

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Triv's picture

In regards to Hubbards 23rd best RB ranking, there seems to be some major disparity between recruiting services. 247 has him as a top 85 player Nationally and number 10 back, while Rivals has him unranked Nationally and the 34th best RB

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Bucks19's picture

 Who said package deal??!!?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Well, unless you suffer from amnesia, you did:

We are not going to screw with Miller‘s teammate. No way! 

And an ex-Ohio kid. 

Per my post above, they are not going to mess with a teammate of Miller. 

How else would one interpret your two posts than Hubbard’s offer must be committable because we don’t want to risk losing Miller? Shouldn’t he be offered on his own merits and not by riding someone else coattails? Because that’s what I interpreted your post to mean, hence: it’s a package deal.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Numbers's picture

I took it as the staff isn't likely going to jerk around with the committable/uncommittable offer game with a teammate of the QB recruit they've been drooling over for months and months - and therefore the offer is committable. They certainly could play that game here but to me it seems more unlikely than normal. and that the offer was earned on his own merits as nothing appears to be needed to get Miller over the hump and be a Buckeye.

That being said, it's been stated that Hubbard would be a likely candidate to commit soon after getting an OSU offer so if that doesn't happen then maybe we'll have our answer.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The term "professionals" has been used. Presumably, that means the coaching staff but since they are prohibited from publicly commenting on recruits until they've signed an LOI, short of a Boom from Pantoni, we're not going to get confirmation from that corner. (Although it's interesting that Pantoni retweeted Sav'ell Smalls getting an offer but nary a peep from him about Hubbard's.)

So I'll defer to Andrew as our insider who's closest to the staff and just as it's curious to me that Hubbard slammed the brakes on committing after working so hard to earn an "offer," which Andrew by his own admission assumed would be a slam dunk, it's curious that Andrew hasn't weighed in on this topic, especially since he's posted in the comments of this thread a couple times on other topics. For the record, I am not calling out Andrew--I respect he has to protect his sources, his integrity and reputation--any more than I'm not saying Hubbard won't eventually be a Buckeye or that if he commits, he's lock to sign an LOI as a Buckeye (see: Todd Sibley, George Hill, and Kareem Walker, who were all committed but eventually decommitted). I am questioning if this is a fully committable offer, right here and now at this time, and if the staff would accept Hubbard's commitment if he gave it today. This is just how I'm seeing it.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Andrew Lind's picture

I typically stay away from arguing with people who feel strongly about their decision, that's why I didn't jump in this conversation in the first place. However, Hubbard could commit right now if he wanted to. He's previously said he'd do it later in the process, though, rather than jump on it the moment Ohio State offered. I just know how it can be for in-state kids when they get an offer, so I wasn't sure he'd stick with that timeline. This is his own choice, regardless of rankings, what you think you see on tape, etc.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Fair enough. Thank you.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Bucks19's picture

 Dude – that does not imply a package deal at all !

 I just said that they aren’t going to mess around with his teammate  

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614BUCKNET's picture

I'm not 100% sold on him either. Word from a 24/7 reporter who was in attendance at the camp at TTUN last week is that Drennen was clearly the the better back (In every way), and that's why he won the camp MVP and landed the offer over Hubbard!

614BUCKNUT

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Woodshed's picture

Hubbard lists an offer from mich.

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614BUCKNET's picture

Well it seems really strange that he has posted every offer on his twitter account except for TTUN. He has sparty but not TTUN

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Woodshed's picture

247 lists a mich offer.

*shrug*

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Gobucks54321's picture

I guess the Alabama’s, Georgia’s Auburn’s and LSU’s also got fooled on Hubbards tape too. Surprised because rankings and stars are always correct...

Love couch potato coaches

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So Ohio State is the only school that gives out noncommittable offers? You think Saban is taking just anyone? Wake up, man. Again, I am referencing what Andrew cautioned us all about when people expressed concern that Ohio State was giving out too many offers to 2019 prospects—only a handful are committable. This kid is 2020. No one’s convinced me Hubbard’s offer is committable. Just because he has an “offer” doesn’t make it committable. Not all offers are created equal. The only way we’ll know if his is will be if he commits and Pantoni acknowledges it with a boom and we haven’t seen that. Yet. Because, again, I’m not saying he won’t be in the class just that he still has more to prove.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

The Bucks may soon have more players from Scottsdale Chaparral than Cleveland Glenville.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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Andrew Lind's picture

That would take one player, FWIW. This is the first year since 2001 that the Buckeyes don’t have one player from Glenville.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Has the strength of prospects coming from Glenville fallen or are they just going elsewhere? I can't imagine it's the latter.

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gobucks1966's picture

Glenville has open enrollment and not sure the health of Ginn sr. is up to snuff or is even coaching their anymore. Those kids came from all around to play for Ginn at Glenville. It wasn't a easy task coaching some of those kids and he is a special man to do what he did there.

Denny

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brutus0717's picture

" not sure the health of Ginn sr. is up to snuff"

So is Stouffers not good for you? /s

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Hovenaut's picture

Good news/update on Wingo, and good to hold off until mom can come with.

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Good tape on Hubbard. He's shifty and elusive through the hole, and then deceptively fast once he's clear-- he doesn't look like he's going all that fast, but in every clip he's pulling away from everyone else. Looks like RBU is going to be alive and well in 2020 and beyond!

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Per my post above, check the size, speed and skill level of some of the players on the field with him on some of those plays.

#14 was the backup QB behind Miller (#2). In the four games Hubbard played in that Chaparral lost, he had 13 carries for 23 yards (1.8 ypc) and no TDs. In the six games he played in that they won, he had 56 carries for 490 yards (8.8 ypc) and seven TDs. Chaparral played 12 games but he didn't play in two of them--a 33-7 blowout win in Game 4 and 63-13 blowout loss in Game 7.

I'm just not convinced this is a committable offer but rather somewhere between "we're interested in you" and "come play for us"--more like "show us what you can do this year..."

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckslan's picture

If that were the case, they would not have offered him. It's most likely a committable offer given his affinity for OSU. He must have showed out really well at the camp and earned his offer.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

He’s ranked the 10th best RB of the 13 we’ve offered so far, lobbied hard to get the one offer he supposedly coveted most, even went so far as to come to OSU on his own dime twice this month (four times in the past year according to his timeline on 247–versus one trip to Michigan and one to Penn State and has not one recorded visit anywhere else), and then slammed on the brakes? Yeah, sure, okay, why not?

At one point several months ago when myself and many others were questioning why Ohio State was handing out offers to 2019 prospects like they were free condoms at Burning Man, Andrew squelched concern by saying maybe a dozen were commitable. So now a RB who ran for 523 yards and seven TDs as a sophomore for a 7-5 team in Arizona holds what we can assume is one of the few commitable offers for the 2020 class? Yeah, sure, okay, why not?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Andrew Lind's picture

Miller didn’t play in the first few games of the season because he was ineligible (transfer rules), so that’s why you don’t see him in some games.

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Bucks19's picture

 Per my post above, they are not going to mess with a teammate of Miller. 

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gr8bucks's picture

His teammate has nothing to do with miller going to osu, he'll be at osu whether his teammates get an offer or not. THAT has nothing to do with a teammate's offer. 

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tcm1968's picture

Is Wingo being recruited to play LB only at his top 3 schools?? Wasn't sure if he's 100% LB or if any of the other schools were thinking QB or TE since he plays all 3 positions.

Go Bucks!

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RuGettinIt's picture

The lack of Oline recruits is significantly disturbing. ND has raided Ohio lately for four top tier Olinemen. While we had a great finish last year, I’m not convinced that Studs is the guy.

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LB U's picture

This is sarcasm right? Studs is probably one of the best coaching hires Urban has made. Warriner could not recruit for shit.. It was underwhelming. The Ohio 5*'s that went to ND happend under Warriner, not Studs. Studrawa pulled in the #1 C and the #1 OT just last year. That's not to mention the '17 class, in which he pulled in the #1 and #2 OG's in the country, to go along with Thayer Munford who's going to be the starting LT this year. So far this year he's already landed the #2 C and top 50 overall player in Harry Miller, and is heavily in the mix for the #1 OT in Wright.. what more do you want from the guy? He's absolutely been killing it.

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RuGettinIt's picture

We’ll see how it all shakes for this class come signing day. Right now we appear to be on the outside looking in for our primary targets based on most of the reports coming from the recruiting teams. Getting a top center when we got a top center last year doesn’t go towards needs. Warriner wasn’t the greatest recruiter but man he could develop Oline players. IMHO the jury is still out on Studs. 

I give Urrban credit for PF last year at the end, but that goes hand in hand with missing on Kramer and Eich. 

I lovexall the skill O talent we are getting but we all know quality Oline play makes that talent fly. Look at the oline guys that have left over the ost few years. You just can’t have enough.

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analyticalguy's picture

Expect the jury to return a verdict this year. There are no holdover studs, no one who contributed under Warinner. Everyone who plays will have been developed by Stud.

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RuGettinIt's picture

We’ll see, I’m rooting big time for this crew to protect Haskins and open holes for Dobbins and Webs. 1st time center will be interesting....

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Woodshed's picture

Osu's "primary targets" include nester, jacoby, and miller.

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RuGettinIt's picture

So who are the 5 to 6 Oline guys OSU is going to bring in this year as noted by most recruiters? You named 3.

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Woodshed's picture

You said osu was on the outside looking in on its primary OL targets.

that is patently false. Nester, jacoby, and miller are among osu's primary OL targets.

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Numbers's picture

Signing day is 6 (or 8) months away and 3 OL are in the barn. Seems right on schedule to me.

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gr8bucks's picture

The stud who went to clemson didn't happen under warriner.

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Andrew Lind's picture

FWIW, Correll was Plan B if they missed out on Miller and they never recruited Dirksen. Kraemer and Eichenberg were certainly misses, but neither can be blamed on Stud because they both committed looooong before he arrived. That’s on Ed.

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RuGettinIt's picture

4* Ohio kid plan B, makes no sense to me, Especially with missing on Dobbs and Truss. Keegan and Wright would be great, but certainly aren’t guaranteed.

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LB U's picture

Dobbs and Truss were never coming here.. Zeke Correll plays the same position as Harry Miller who is a better prospect.

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gr8bucks's picture

Guard and centers are interchangeable, there's three spots for the best interior guys, not one. Two good centers back to back, someone's moving to guard. 

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Andrew Lind's picture

He was Plan B because they were after (and got) someone better. It doesn’t matter where they’re from.

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BbBnD's picture

Outside of his first year, when he probably didn’t have as much of on impact recruiting considering he started in Jan of 2016, Correll and a 3 Star are the only O-line recruits they’ve pulled from Ohio since Stud arrived OSU.  Zeke wasn’t a major target after Miller committed. 

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Hovenaut's picture

The week has turned around quite nicely.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Andrew, are you surprised that not one of Jordan Battle, Jameson Williams, or Marcus Washington committed during or right after their official visit?

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Andrew Lind's picture

All I can say or do is preach patience lol.

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dmiller2345's picture

Andrew, are you surprised that not one of Jordan Battle, Jameson Williams, or Marcus Washington committed during or right after their official visit?

All I can say or do is preach patience lol. - (Andrew)

Reading between the lines is Andrew saying they are all Silent Commits?

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Seattle Linga's picture

Andrew - just out of curiosity - what is the biggest need we have left to fulfill? 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Bummer on Dobbs. He’s the real deal.

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gobucks1966's picture

Radio show recruiting guru said not so much and is not long enough for the edge and we need true tackles Dobbs is a guard?

Denny

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Trebor40's picture

Well I am sorry we missed out on a *5 lineman who might not be a tackle, I understand that length of arm is important yet we just graduated a fantastic left tackle and he was not of the impossible to believe wingspan! 

I think Stud's recruiting has been unbelievable and we are about to find out about development! 

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gr8bucks's picture

It's funny when osu cools on these studs for one reason or another. I think they cool on those kids, when they find out that they aren't going to osu. Yep, we're cooling on these top players-because they told us they aren't coming here. If dobbs and gunnell were hot on osu they'd find room for them and it wouldn't be in the cooler. 

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