While he hasn't beaten Clemson, he hasn't lost to them either.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
But, we have a head to head to look at though.
True, but I think if they switched teams, the Tressel-led Gators would still beat the Urban-led Buckeyes. That Florida team was crazy talented.
Of course, the score would be something like 17-13.
Is that with or without Ted Ginn, the best receiver, fastest player, best kick reeturner??
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17-13 without, 24-20 with.
I also considered UFM beating USC where Tress did not.
As well as Tress running the table (plus postseason) where UFM has not (yet).
There's no absolute answer here.
Hov, not to knit pick but Meyer did run the table in 2012, and it wasn’t on him that he couldn’t play in the post season. So you can’t really hold that against Meyer himself when he has no control of that.
Meyer has the better win percentage and better record against ranked foes.
After Ohio State blew their wad. And Florida had a chip on their shoulder. One game, Tressel. He will change plays and players in game.
Tress may not have lost to Clemson, but...well...I love Tress, but you can't ignore the almost three-year stretch in the late 2000's where he lost to six straight Top-10 opponents (Florida, LSU, USC, Penn State, Texas, USC again). Meyer's record against Clemson is ugly (and the games themselves were ugly too), but between those losses, he had some awesome wins over Bama, Oregon, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma.
That said, we're absolutely splitting hairs here - outside of Nick Saban and maybe Pete Carroll, I'm not sure there's another college coach in my lifetime who I'd put above either of them.
Also, for the record, all of this is assuming we're discussing a nationally relevant game against a key opponent. If my life is depending on Ohio State beating, like, Maryland in October, I'm taking Tress, no questions asked...because while he might have struggled a little against top teams, once he got it going, he basically only had two losses against clearly inferior competition in his entire career (2003 Wisconsin and 2009 Purdue), whereas Meyer, Carroll and even Saban each have a few random clunkers on their resume.
It's all good, Lighteyes.
We're all killing the offseason as we speak.
three-year stretch in the late 2000's where he lost to six straight Top-10 opponents
So 6 losses in 3 years against the best is your position. Interesting.
I never saw Hayes coach and I’ve seen Meyer & Tressel fvck things up enough.
Head scratching moment...
Us 'old timers' have plenty of Hayes 'foul up' moments we could share...
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Woody “I couldn’t go for 3” Hayes
At which point in their careers? Mid career Woody, yes. He had it rolling. But late career Woody, no. I went with UFM. Other than his loyalty to JTBIV, I can't complain about his coaching decisions in a single game.
Tressel ball in big games drove me crazy.
Yep, and even with the loyalty to JTB, we still won nearly every big game.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
I voted for Tressel as I was thinking of the 2002 Miami game, play Jan 1 2003. I have had the good fortune to see all 3 of them coach. They are 3 of the best to ever coach college football. Only a fool would bet against any one of them for a single game.
They have each won big games and lost games that they shouldn't have.
Woody: 1969 _ichigan & 1970 Stanford
Tressel: 2006 & 07 BCS (Florida & LSU)
Urban: 2013 MSU & 2015 Clemson
And 2015 MSU and 2016 PSU and 2017 Iowa.
I'd say those losses were worse than the others mentioned. I understood losing to MSU in '13 and Clemson in '16. We had deep flaws. But the ones you mentioned sucked and there is no reason we should have lost.
Woodrow. Didn't even pause.
UFM. He's got the head to head with El Chaleco.
The questions arise when pitting Woody against UFM - what era? Recruiting rules? What opponent?
I've got to lean towards Coach Meyer assuming the only game that matters (vs TTUN of course!) is one he hasn't lost yet. Not to mention the percentages of time coached vs titles won or contended for.
Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.
Can I have Tressel Coach Urban's players in that game? (WWH wasn't big fan of the forward pass)
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Who has the best lifetime record?
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This is this is a great question. Seen all three lose games they should not have lost. Big games. National titles at stake.
I take Urban. And i LOVE those other two men. But Urban gets his teams to display the right combination of emotion and discipline. And he is not happy resting in a 9-point lead and relying on the D.
Give Urban a couple extra weeks to prepare for a big, national game and he wins--
unless the opponent is named Clemson Tigers.
He had six months to prepare for Oklahoma
Woody and it isn't even close. Urban would be a distant 2nd and I'd never select Tressel, he kept far too many games close that should have been blowouts. There is one choice not mentioned here who is before all of our times, but Francis "Close the gates of Mercy" Schmidt would have been fun as hell to watch along the sidelines and I think he'd probably be my second choice after Woody.
Nice to finally get a question worth responding to...Urban F Meyer...period.
Hard for me to choose, unless I know who the OC is for each.
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Tress with Urban as his OC and Woody as his DC. It is the only right answer!
I can't look at Woody because I'm too young to judge fairly.
Urban with ease. Simple as this. With Tressel, I expected us to lose the big games is some heartbreaking fashion. With Urban, I expect us to win, and I'm not surprised if we smash them (a la USC). It really is that simple.
My God, how blessed we are to have this as a question.
Where's the John Cooper option?
The one stat I went with that seemed pertinent to this was bowl record, as that was literally THE one game where you could have time to prepare. With that, I have to go with Coach Meyer, then Coach Tressel, and then Coach Hayes. If that one game is against ttun, then I'd take Coach Hayes because even though he doesn't have the best record over them, he hates them as much as I do. But all around, I think I'd take Coach Tress. Not as a slight against Coach Meyer but Tress just seemed to truly love his players and made them better men. The teams were always fundamentally sound, and even if you got a 10-6 Holy Buckeye game against Purdue, you also got a 31-24 game against what was called the greatest college football team ever in Miami. And every coach has that "HUH???" loss so I don't hold that against any of them.
I bleed scarlet...literally
Has to be Tress based solely on beating The U. I'm pretty sure that entire team, back ups included went on to be stars in the NFL.
18 Saturdays till kickoff
I would have Tress coach the defense, UFM the offense, and Woody would do the pregame and halftime fire them up talks.
69 in 18
But how many hats would Woody tear?
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It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
As many as he wanted. Just put a yellow M on them.
On a side note, a great way to irritate a TTUN fan is to say their colors are yellow and blue.
I'm gonna have to use that next time I run into my UM friend at the local store.
I could prolly say the same thing about bama being red and white.
But never say that the Buckeyes are red and gray. That would be blasphemous.
Which Buckeye team do I get? I need more info.
Tressel did the most with the least. He beat the Miami dynasty with Craig Krenzel. Give him the current team and watch out.
He’d score 35 points a game. Think about what urban would’ve done with TP or not-fat Troy.
Didn't a huge chunk of the guys on the team during the Miami game, set a record for most guys drafted in the first round the following year? I'm not sure Tressel did a lot with a little that year. Yeah Krenzel wasn't great, but he was in the NFL for a while. It wasn't like he was Bauserman out there.
Yeah that OSU team was a lot more loaded than people recall. Yes, it was a huge upset and Miami was loaded as well, but it wasn't the massive talent disparity that people thought. It was just that #Tresselball hid that talent until clutch time. NFL talent wise, that was Tressel's best team at OSU.
2003 draft - 5 drafted including Mike Doss
2004 draft - 14 drafted including the punter BJ Sander in the THIRD round which is rare for a punter to go that high
2005 draft - 3 more drafting including Nugent in the THIRD round, once again rare for a placekicker
2006 draft - 5 more who were freshmen in 2002 but on the two deep - Hawk, Carpenter, Mangold, Salley, Sims.
A total of 22 from that team who were drafted.
It would have to be UFM. He has the best won/lost % record as head coach at tOSU . I want the coach with the best record.
To the 69%, better hope you're not playing Clemson...............
Woody couldn’t beat them either.
Never really seeing Woody coach at an age where I was able to appreciate the value coaching brings, I made this decision between Tress and Urban, and honestly I made it very quickly, I don't think it's much of a debate.
The answer is Tress, he designs better game plans and in game adjustments. Urban is a better recruiter, and more ruthless, however over the years I've noticed he doesn't really alter his game plan much based on the opponent. He simply puts his better athletes on the field and gets them the ball and dares you to out perform. I will always remember Tressel having a specific game plan for michigan every year, or the Oregon Rose bowl air attack which came out of nowhere. Also, his philosophy to limit the other teams possessions more than not often puts you in a position to win games at the end. Due to this, I think I would rather have him design the game plan for one game.
The irony here is, the one time they met, Urban blew out Tress... so, I could be wrong.
Why are you doing this to us!?!
If it's a Bowl Game, UFM.
Michigan, I'm going Tress for sure.
Woody can stomp a mud hole in a BIG Ten foe.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
I, like many, prefer the Meyer technique of keeping the foot on the gas. Therefore, I award him a slight edge over Tressel's conservative strategy.
I am too young to have seen Woody Hayes coach, but word in my family is that by the time he was owning Charlie Bauman, the game was already starting to pass him by. Woody instilled our program with passion, desire, and discipline, but honestly Meyer is on another level. Still, both Meyer and Tressel live in the house that Hayes built.
Money talks, bullsh** walks.
It was an easy answer to me: Woody was 5-6 in bowl games, Tressel was 6-4, and Urban is 11-3 (overall; including other schools). To me that proves that Urban is the best at preparing his team for one game.
Woody. It's a different college football world than when Woody was among a handful of guys who dominated nationally. Intellectually, Hayes was superior to the other two ... he was unique. Until if and/or when Meyer wins double digit additional conference titles and a few more national championships, well, Hayes is the standard by which the other two will be judged.
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I cant get past the '15 MSU and the '17 Iowa games, both have got to go down as 2 of the biggest coaching failures ever. I know Woody wasn't perfect either but you can bet your ass he doesn't lose either of those 2 games.
I never saw Woody coach, but I don't think it's even close between Meyer and Tressel. Meyer all day long. He crushed Tressel head to head. He has a winning record head to head against the "greatest coach ever." Meyer is undefeated in "The Game". He took a team that came off the most losses in program history and went undefeated. I also think the way Ohio State is perceived now, is different than before. The team has swagger and the program, whether liked or not, is respected. During the Tressel years, people always said, man these guys are way over rated, they don't play anyone blah blah blah, and a lot of the time, when we did play "someone" it didn't end well. I don't think that perception is there anymore.
All coaches, no matter how great, have games or moments where people raise hell and ask questions. Most even have some sort of flaw that gets exposed from time to time. Even Saban. I think Meyer gets another 1 here, maybe 2.
The team has swagger and the program, whether liked or not, is respected. During the Tressel years, people always said, man these guys are way over rated, they don't play anyone blah blah blah, and a lot of the time, when we did play "someone" it didn't end well. I don't think that perception is there anymore.
1000% accurate. The stretch from 2007 until the 2010 Rose Bowl was awful. Never played anyone good, and then always found a way to lose whenever we did play someone good. I mentioned it above. Under Tressel, I was surprised when we beat someone good. With Urban, I am shocked as hell if we don't win. Without a doubt, OSU is a respected program now. The Bama game did that. Of course it was with Tressel too before back-to-back National title losses. IF we were to get swamped in the playoff again, we may go back to that place, but right now, I've never been more proud to call myself a Buckeye fan.
If all the other factors (including assistant coaches) are the same, I pick Tress.
At least with Coach Tress, you know that it's not going to be a designed QB run every time you need a yard, and until Coach Meyer can prove he can break that tendency, it's going to be Tress.
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."
Using a play that was 95% effective as a reason to dog UFM? Also, do you remember Dave?
The issues I have with picking one is a lot depends on the players? UFM running his offense with Woody's players? Woody's "3 yards and a cloud of dust" with UFM's players? I've seen all 3 coach, and each was a product of the game in their era and had a style that worked at the time.
It's like trying to decide be between 3 supermodels...
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Y'all are sleeping on Mr. Tressel. That is all.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
I go with my man ... Tress is simply the very best !!!
MACTE VIRTUTE !!! In Tress I will always trust !!!
Why isn't Nick Saban an option?
Just for laughs, I'd like to see all three of them coach games against James Joseph Harbaugh. He'd lose his frickin' mind.
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There's no real wrong answer, but Meyer's W-L record is hard to argue against.
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A SHOUTOUT TO HOV ! before I answer
My vote goes to a proven winner: Wayne Woodrow Hayes he may have had a few untalented teams in his career, but he taught his children well................. I am old school, and if it aint broke you don't fix it !
Usually, I would have made the better call in the pressure situations. But since I can't vote for me and these are the choices.......I'd have to know the opponent.
You didn't provide as an option the guy who one national championships in 1/3 of his seasons at OSU, Paul Brown. Throw in the 4 national championships in HS and 7 pro titles (and 4 losses in championship games) and he should have been a pick. I go with Paul, Urban, Woody, then Tress.