Dontre Wilson. He was a good player for the Buckeyes but he was never the game breaker we all expected.
"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
He was looking the part until he broke his foot in the 2014 Sparty game.
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So sad because he was really finding his niche until that happened, and then Jalin appeared.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
This is one of the first players to come to mind for me, but while he indeed never seemed to lived up to the expectations, he did deliver some strong performances, many times in the clutch. Setbacks definitely cost him but I'm not really disappointed with him. That's just my opinion, though.
I'm not disappointed because Jalin Marshall essentially became what Dontre was supposed to be.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
IIRC Jalin flew under the radar b/c he got injured his first game of his senior season and not many schools had a chance to watch his highlight tape. So glad he turned into the player for us that he did.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
He was a 5 star prospect, #1 player in Ohio and a consensus top 50 player in the country.
Wasn't Ohio State undefeated whenever Dontre Wilson caught a td pass?
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
Oh God. Please, no!
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ISWYDT. Let the eruptions begin...
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Alonzo Spellman. Everybody was so dazzled by his physique that they overlooked his inconsistency.
Looked like Tarzan, played like Jane.
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I thought about that Cooper quote, but couldn't find it online to include in my post. Thanks, 65!
Big time LB recruit. Hardly played, issues off-field (and his participation in Tat-Gate), and transferred out.
Could have been another great for LBU.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
He made the 2 deep as a true freshman, Really sad because I had high hopes for him too!
Travis Howard seemed pretty overrated
Would probably throw J.B. Shugarts in there as well
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
I think you're jumping the gun on Shutgarts. Don't you think you're getting a little ahead of yourself?
False. Don't even start that mess.
OMG. That is great. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw his name. "False Start, 76 on the offense" is burned into my memory.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Any heavily touted O-lineman on the 2006 team? Or is the championship game debacle against UF solely a Bollman problem?
God that O-line was terrible.
Seriously though ... I don't know .. I'd feel bad naming anyone.
I see your Jones, and I’ll raise you a John Burrow.
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Is this overrated as in the player STILL gets a lot of credit but shouldn't, or overhyped as in a big time recruit that didn't pan out?
What - you want there to be rules for this?
This isn't Vietnam, Smokey...
"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."
It's a league game, Smoke.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
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He came to my mind as well. Good player, good run stuffer but not a game changer.
Get dumped then
He came in wildly hyped.
I mean, He was but he also delivered with 52 tackles 2.5 sacks and a Pick-six as a true freshman and stabilized the LB core in '15/'16.
The only RB I saw make him look foolish was Barkley his freshman year and well at that very moment I said Barkley is special. 194 yards on 26 carries vs our 2015 D my god.
^ This. No idea how Raekwon McMillan can be someone's pick when OSU has seen D'Andrea, Dorian Bell, and Curtis Grant on its roster. McMillan might not have the athleticism of a Lee, Shazier, etc. But he was a good (if not very good) LB at worst.
the dolphins believed the hype well enough to draft him in the second round
Personally I thought Raekwon was great. Darron Lee outshined him, but in Quarters defense, it's way easier for an OLB to look good. Maybe people didn't see him making plays like Shazier or something, Idk, but I was very surprised to see his name on this thread. I thought we missed him greatly last year, not just physically, but mentally.
Recently, I’ll go with Jerome Baker. He had a monster 2016 season and severely regressed this past season.
This may be blasphemy but I nominate Craig Krenzel. As a kid, I thought he could do no wrong. As I look back at games he was quite inaccurate. His cool headedmess and good decision making made him a fabulous crunch time quarterback. As a thrower of the call, he just wasn’t that great. Love him for the national title, however.
Krenzel is a good choice. He was the QB of a title team so he is obviously a legend, even though he is probably the worst QB we have had in the last 20 years, outside of our 30 year old pitcher. He came up super clutch, bu usually it was his "QBing" that led us to those situations. Love him, but he definitely isn't a legend based on talent.
worst QB we have had in the last 20 years
Eh.. Steve Bellisari may take that one..
PHEW!!! Thanks for that. My Belli-sorry flashbacks prevented me from responding sooner. Ugh, he drove me nuts.
I went through the same flashbacks, my friend. A year or so ago BTN was showing a tOSU at PSU game led by QB Bellisari and I was reminded just how bad it was at a point in time. I quickly turned the channel...
JT is 22...he can be forgiven for overlooking the guy who Krenzel replaced...when he was five.
Why is youth wasted on the young?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
WTH??? Overrated? Craig Is a GOAT candidate!
I get what he is saying though. Saying he is overrated doesn't mean you don't like the guy. Craig Krenzel is a legend, but if you could pick, would you choose him over any of the QB's we have had since him? Other than Bouserman. Krenzel deservedly gets love for QBing a National Title team, but they way he is worshiped gives off the impression that he was a truly amazing QB. I love Craig, but for the purpose of this thread, I think he is a good choice.
But I do see the controversy because he did something that Troy, Pryor, and Braxton never did. However, I would choose any of those guys over him if I had to pick a starting QB.
I could see picking Schlichter for over-rated character/soft skills, but not Krenzel...dude outplayed his abilities by far on pure heart alone! Krenzel is to Buckeye Football as Aaron Craft is to Buckeye Basketball!
Oh I agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Krenzel. But that kind of goes to my point. We have overlooked his shortcomings because he won a title. Krenzel was a worse QB than JT, but JT's name has been popping up all over this thread because he wasn't the starting QB in the playoff run.
The only reason I label him as overrated is because we often overlook his pure talent because of that 2002 season. In 2003, you could make the argument that Scott McMullen was the better choice, but we don't remember that or discuss that now. As time goes, sad memories fade, and happy moments shine.
I think the Dorian bell and Dontre Wilson types are more accurately described as “busts/disappointments”.
Overrated would be a player who actually seemed to be thought of highly at OSU by some, but people don’t feel they deserved the merit.
Eli Apple seems to be the guy I think of most recently.. Not sure how that guy was a top 4 pick compared to Lattimore or Ward.
Next I’d say, the Hartline/Robiske combo. Those guys seemed to really struggle to create separation against elite corners when they played in big games. Piled on most their yards against the crap teams we played.
Agree on Apple. He was a good CB, but I was surprised by how much the NFL loved him. I'd put Bradley Roby in that category too. Lattimore and Ward are well ahead of both.
First name that popped in my mind as well. Never thought Eli was very good. always getting beat. shocked he went in the first round.
I disagree that he wasn't very good.. he was a solid, not great corner. Usually was in position but would freak out and grab or run into receivers. He rarely got beat.. in fact I have no real memories of him getting beat badly.. he did beat himself with PI penalties. At 6'1" 200 with long arms and a 4.40 40 I was not surprised to see him go in the first round.
Ranking Ohio State's most recent first round CBs time at OSU.
2a. Conley (ahead of ward because he not only held opponents to very low numbers but also was better at intercepting the ball)
Bosa and Elliot were both drafted and the Giants freaked out.
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Overrated would be a player...
like #5, pictured below:
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D’Andrea, although not a fault of his own, injuries cost that guy.
Would throw Mike Mitchell in as a more recent dud.
Keep fighting CalPoppy
D'Andrea is on my list too.
Good call on D'andrea - I remember that he was gonna be the next Brian Bozworth 2.0 but he had more issues on and off the field IIRC.
No one thinks D’Andrea was anything but a bust due to injury. In other words, he is not highly thought of, thus not overrated.
Justin Zwick.... came in very hyped and did nothing....
I remember him leading a very impressive drive against Texas that came up short... pulled a ham(b)y on the last play... couldn't recover.
Robert Rose and Justin Zwick
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LOL. I can't believe *Jason* came up with this topic. "Let's talk about who really sucked on our favorite team. We were lucky to win one game with that massive underachiever on the field. What did anybody ever see in him, anyway??"
Even The Boss knew we need something to chew on here in the off-season. He just threw us a bone. Try not to swallow any splinters.
Brionte Dunn. I remember the battle to keep him out of Ann Arbor. Had such high hopes for him too.
He would have been perfect at TTUN.
Thick, stocky, tough and slow.
I can't believe this one is ranked higher... My pick for certain.
Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe
If I recall, Tressel had to apologize because he put Saine as a freshman in in garbage time and ran up the middle on every play trying to run out the clock and Saine busted one for a TD. I thought that kid would turn into something special. I put him in the same camp as Sammy Maldonado. I might also throw Rod Smith in that group, but I am not sure how highly rated he was out of high school.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Tress should have NEVER apologized for that. He was clearly running clock and short of taking a knee, what else could he do? He was literally running dave right, dave left and they couldn't tackle.That made me angry all over again
I might also throw Rod Smith in that group, but I am not sure how highly rated he was out of high school.
This is a good one. I thought that kid was going to be a stud right up until the year he got kicked out of school. Dude's size/speed combo was just too tantalizing.
Re: Rod Smith, I know. He looked like the 2nd coming of Eddie George. He was a prototype.
Yea that pissed me off for sure. At times, Tressel was overly respectful.
I remember that! At Washington I believe. I thought it was awesome.
Art Schlichter by far. It’s hard to believe it took nearly 40 years for someone to break a lot of his records. 35-11-1 as a starter, total bust as a pro, lowlife off the field, placed and then reneged on bets with mob bookies, scammed a lot of people. Had the audacity to write an autobiography called Straight Arrow. Absolute embarrassment to Ohio State. I can’t think of anyone who’s even close.
Art Schlichter by far
What? Hahahahahaha!!! The 4th overall pick in the draft was the most overrated player in Ohio State history? He was a lowlife off the field, you got that right, but he was a winner who quarterbacked his teams admirably on the field while at Ohio State. I think you've confused "most overrated player" with "most overrated person". Schlichter was one of the worst people to have played football at Ohio State, but he was FAR from the most overrated player. That's just absurd.
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Art amassed yards as a Buckeye QB, but he was recruited to win a National Championship and bowl games. His only bowl win was against Navy in '81, and he failed on the big stage in the Rose Bowl and lost the NC game to USC 1/1/1980. Oh, and it was Schlichter's late game interception by Charlie Bauman of Clemson and subsequent punch by Woody Hayes that sealed the loss and Woody's doom.
If Art wasn't overrated, he sure as heck was snakebitten.
Oh, and it was Schlichter's late game interception by Charlie Bauman of Clemson and subsequent punch by Woody Hayes that sealed the loss and Woody's doom.
Me sainted ma went to her grave saying this very thing and hating the schlickster with every cell of her being for just that reason.
Bobbing for french fries.
He was the savior, the chosen one, the guy who never lost a game in high school, who Woody was going to change his offense for, who forced Woody to move Rod Gerald to WR. He threw four interceptions in his first game against PSU and his last one that season ended up being the match that ignited the powder leg that cost Woody his job. He threw for 50 TDs and 46 interceptions in four years as a starter...and those pedestrian stats made him worthy of being the 4th pick in the draft?
He was picked ahead of Jim McMahon, Marcus Allen, Luis Sharpe, Gerald Riggs, and HOFer Mike Munchak, was supposed to save the Colts, got beaten out by ASU’s Mike Pagel, who was taken in the fourth round of the same draft.
But wait—there’s more: In parts of three seasons, Schlichter played only 13 games, primarily in backup roles. He made only six starts and lost them all. He was 91/202 (45%) for 1,006 yards, three TDs, and 11 interceptions. He amassed a quarterback rating of only 42.6, and is considered one of the biggest draft busts in NFL history. In 2007, Schlichter was listed as the #7 all-time draft bust on the NFL Network's Top 10 Draft Busts episode. In an updated list aired on April 16, 2010, Schlichter was moved to the #4 draft bust of all time, and in a video listing the top 10 quarterback draft busts of all time, Schlichter was listed #3, behind #2 JaMarcus Russell and #1 Ryan Leaf.
He was, at best, a mediocre college quarterback and a terrible pro. And an even worse person off the field. He was a pariah and a cancer, a scam artist and con man. He was a despicable human being and continues to be an embarrassment to his family and Ohio State.
Yes, Art Schlichter was overrated. Vastly overrated.
He was, at best, a mediocre college quarterback...
Yeah, because mediocre college quarterbacks are drafted in the four hole. Just stop it... you're letting your hatred for Schlichter cloud your common sense. We'll agree to disagree.
@kmp: re: your fixation with Schlichter being drafted 4th, I reiterate—
In 2007, Schlichter was listed as the #7 all-time draft bust on the NFL Network's Top 10 Draft Busts episode. In an updated list aired on April 16, 2010, Schlichter was moved to the #4 draft bust of all time, and in a video listing the top 10 quarterback draft busts of all time, Schlichter was listed #3, behind #2 JaMarcus Russell and #1 Ryan Leaf.
I'm sorry but that's your argument? Did you ever think the NFL made a mistake in their assessment? He got picked 4th, so what? Did he achieve on the field? Hell no!
Pick up your participation trophy at the door Art.....
Being an addict is not the same thing as being a bad person, Kmp.
Look into why he is currently incarcerated. He is a scumbag.
Ok, if you want to say his actions off the field were disappointing or embarrassing that's fine but overrated? As you wrote it took 40 years to beat his records and most of his passes were not behind the line of scrimmage. I'm not proud of his actions off the field either but on the field, he was anything but overrated.
My choice under UFM?
What's in a name?
Gotta go with Cardale. He's a legend no doubt, and I will love him for that, but I was just baffled when he was named starter at the beginning of the 2015 season. The offense just looked bad when he was in there. Now I agree that he didn't get much help in the form of Beck, and losing Devin Smith, but he just didn't show anything in 2015. Didn't run the same either.
We refer to him as a legend now, but in 2015, nearly all of us were calling fir his benching on this website.
He may only be a "legend" in some people's eyes is because he led us to wins over Wisconsin, Bama, and Oregon, but otherwise, he wasn't really a big star
Cardale wasnt some highly nationaly hyped prospect so how could he be overrated? There are plenty of kids that were way more hyper bowled than Cardale that didnt do squat ..including not winning us a title. So Cardale is a horrible answer.
Love the game over any team fandom.
The question wasn't about recruiting necessarily. A lot of people have taken it that way, but I took it as "Someone who played at Ohio State that people loved, but in reality, wasn't that great." Not someone who came in as a highly touted prospect and then was a no-show. I guess you could take it either way, but I took it as someone who played regularly that got fanfare, but just wasn't as good as the hype he received.
Completely agree with you JTForPres. We all appreciate what ‘Dale did for us in those three games, but no one had gameplanned for him during the NC run. Everyone was getting ready for a JTB offense. I too, was in disbelief in Lane Stadium when he trotted out for the opener, thinking why in the hell did the Heisman candidate from the previous year get Wally Pipp’d? Once things got rolling that season, you knew that the offense wasn’t going to be the same. It was a lot different when everyone had a whole offseason to game plan for him.
I partially agree, but if we're being honest the offense looked bad when JT was in too until they went full triple option against bitchigan and nd. Sure we can try to attribute that to splitting practice reps or uncertainty/discomfort in the quarterback room, but if that's the case shouldn't Cardale receive the same benefit of the doubt? Don't get me wrong after the national championship game i was 100% in the JT should start camp. I was shocked when Cardale started against VT and I was happy when Urban committed to making the switch permanently, but the offense was terrible the entire year (I was at MSU 2015). Add to that the fact the offense doubled down by looking terrible in 2016 culminating with the 31-0 beatdown in the desert and i think we can find one common thread. Beck/Warriner running the offense into the ground. So i have to give Cardale a pass just based on the fact that we only got to see him play 3 games with Tom Herman calling plays and it was magnificent.
I'm glad someone else said it first. I agree that is the correct answer. "Overrated' vs. "never lived up to the hype' are two VERY different questions, w/ the former being one a lot of people really aren't comfortable answering,imo.
Well overrated would imply that a lot of people are wrong. By nature it would be an unpopular choice.
I don't see how guys like Dorian Bell and Mike D'Andrea make it near these lists. maybe overrated recruits for one reason or another but they barely played in their time here so how can they be rated as players at all?
overrated to me means a player that generally is held in higher regard than the play on the field actually shows. maybe someone who won more national/conference awards than they arguably should have - especially in comparison to a Buckeye counterpart on different teams or different eras. Say a guy like James Laurinaitis in comparison to an AJ Hawk. JL has more national awards and was a 2 time B10 DPOY. but I think Hawk was the better LB and by a pretty significant margin. but maybe I'm off base there.
Many people so far are listing players who were hyped coming out of HS or perhaps Hyped going into the NFL
I interpreted this as being over rated by us as fans of the team.
IE players most people considered to be either good or great Buckeyes but who were actually less than that.
Hence my take on this is from this 2nd perspective
And my vote will likely draw ton a ire, but I will go with Craig Krenzel.
I love Craig, but being fair in evaluating him as a player he was a rather pedestrian QB.
He did win the Title of course and had some great individual plays to hang some highlights on, but overall some of those highlights were "required" in part due to his inability as QB to be consistently good.
Holy Buckeye was needed in part to him having barely 100 passing yards up to that point combined with no running game led to only 3 points so far.
The UC game that year was close because he completed less than 50% of his passes, threw 2 INTs and fumbled the ball another time, to effectively hindering the offense.
NW was closer than it should have been due to MOCs 3 fumbles but also to Krenzel completing only 50% of his passes
PSU was close because he threw for barely 100 yards again with 2 picks and a fumble lost effectively snuffing out the offense
Illinois went into OT in part because he completed less than 50% of his passes that day
and in the MNC game he completed 33% of his passes and had 2 picks one of which was bailed out by MOC. Again, had been a decent QB that day and completed 60% with no picks the Buckeyes walk that day to a easy win
His senior year showed this off even more. Without the dominant run game of MOC behind him, teams stacked the box and dared Krenzel to beat them.
He completed only 55% of his passes and had a terrible 125 QB rating. In the loss to Wisky he completed less than 50% of his passes and threw a pick. The Iowa game the next week he was 11-22 for barely 100 yards, but a 53 yard Nuge FG, a 54 yard Punt return, a blocked punt and a Safety gave the Buckeyes the win. Against Purdue later that year he went 15-30 passing and the game went into OT primarily because Kudla recovered a fumble in the end zone
Overall I still love the guy because of his guts and clutch play, but many times OSU won games back then despite having Craig as their QB, not because he was the QB
A fair analysis.
Very fair take. And I firmly believe OSU doesn't beat PSU in 2003 without McMullen coming in (CK with a pick 6 in the second quarter). That was the QB on the roster who had the arm, but not much else.
Whomever is playing “H” back, except for Curtis Samuel’s tenure.
I consider Jalin Marshall an H, and he was not overrated at all.
If we're including recruitment as over-hyped, I want to make sure Zwick gets out there. Huge hype coming in - just didn't translate.
If we're talking about the type of player who was frequently hyped up by OSU fans, but who never put out the numbers, I'd put Dontre Wilson.
"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes
JUSTIN ZWICK---more hype about him than any Buckeye I can ever remember. Just an awful quarterback. Will give him one rave. When Troy was hurt, he did lead us to an Alamo Bowl win over Oklahoma State, But, outside of that, he was horrible!
I think Ginn Jr was more of a factor in the win that Zwick IIRC. Justin played not to turn the ball over. But I hear what you're saying.
In fairness, Zwick played the Alamo Bowl injured (hamstring). And he also threw a good enough pass to beat Texas next season that Hamby dropped twice.
I was at that game. The OK St fans sitting behind us were really upset that their player was blocked by Zwick on a Ginn run around. "Their one-legged quarterback just blocked him!" I had a lot of fun at that game.
I could use a vacation.
I am sure it was better to be there than watch it on TV, as the telecast in the second half didn't even acknowledge the game...they just focused on MoC/Troy Smith and badmouthing the program.
Dude, Ginn was so huge in that Alamo Bowl, he even played quarterback when Zwick left with an injury.
Crazy how they tried all game to contain him but had no answer.
I wouldn’t say Zwick was horrible at all. The guy hardly played, because Troy Smith won the QB job.
Go back and watch the 2004 Iowa game and tell me Zwick wasn't horrible. OSU would have been shutout had Tressel not put Troy in during garbage time.
When Troy was hurt suspended
When Troy was hurt suspended Officer, sir.
As for a new name, Sammy Maldonado should probably be on the list somewhere.
Curtis Grant. He was #1 LBer coming out and he really never lived up to the hype. He did play well in his senior year, just not the entire career many expected.
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For being 1st team all BIG TEN and All American DT...I always thought Quinn Pitcock was a little overrated.
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You mean the famous 2-yard-loss Lydell Ross? What are you thinking?
Yep. The very same. I just remember him emphasizing how he modeled himself after Eddie. It just didn’t translate.
As an aside, I fully recognize the idiocy of me criticizing a student athlete who was in all likelihood working his tail off for my enjoyment.
Still. The OP question begs a response.
Stanley Jackson.....he had no business taking snaps away from Joe Germaine
I would like to add Michael Wiley to the list....insanely talented and physically gifted, but it just never translated on the field in production like I think I could have.
No such thing as a bad win
Rumor had it that the black players on the team basically threatened Coop w/ a revolt if Jackson didn't at least split time w/ Germaine during the 96' season.
Overrated means a guy who is highly regarded by most but was not as good as most consider him to be. This is not guys who never lived up to recruiting hype or were just average players.
Ted ginn? Really?
A very good player who is overhyped by OSU fans. Great punt returner and very dynamic player, but not in my opinion the WR or player most OSU fans think he was. Curtis Samuel had more receiving yards in 2016 than Ted Ginn ever had in a season. In his final 2 seasons he had two punt returns for TDS, and averaged only around 13-14 ypc.
Player 1: 2500 receiving yards, 20 ypc, 30 TDs
Player 2: 1940 receiving yards, 14 ypc, 15 TDs
Like 82, I'm glad you actually answered the question correctly, and I could see how you mention his name. I would love to have him now, but at times he was frustrating at the receiver position. Again, this question doesn't mean the people mentioned were bad, it could simply mean that they were worshiped just a little more than their play deserved. So in reality, only the better and more popular players should be mentioned on this thread. You can't say someone like Mike D'Andrea who never really played.
Although if everyone actually answered the question like this, then this whole thread would be burning to the ground.
Agreed. This thread is only (or should be) about the players that are considered by most to have been good to very good (or great) at OSU. The premise inherently calls for minority opinions that some of our beat players were not as good as the preceptuon/hype, thus most responsive answers will be against the general perception/not widely agreed upon. Overrated requires a high rating to begin with.
Ted Ginn was a very good college player who did a lot even when he was not touching the ball. I would certainly take him on any OSU team. I just don’t think he was as good as most think he was. He was an average WR in many ways, and after his frosh season (4 punt return TDs in final 6-7 games) was not nearly the return man threat that he was that first year (only 2 total punt return TDs over final 2 seasons combined).
My only question is who thought he was an all-time great at WR? It was always talked about that he was essentially a one trick pony, but that trick was devastating to other teams who had to account for him at all times. Most fans revere him for his athleticism and speed, but acknowledge that Santonio Holmes was the better WR (at least in my circles).
I think you answered appropriately, I just disagree that Ginn is overrated in any fashion. I don't know of anyone who considers him a better WR than Carter, Holmes, Jenkins, etc. But when talking about all-time teams, he does get selected because he brought something to the table only few can with that elite speed.
I upvoted you for answering the question correctly unlike two thirds of the commenters, but I really want to take it away for mentioning Ginn. He was an absolute star here. One of the best players I’ve seen.
I don't believe in no-win scenarios
Although not overrated as Buckeyes, two guys that I thought would light up the NFL and NBA but didn't were Vernon Gholston and Dennis Hopson. Gholston picked #6 overall had a short career that was light on stats. Hopson was a guy that I thought was a sure fire all star and was picked #3. He also had a short underwhelming career. And Hopson remains the career leader in points for the Buckeyes.
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Jt Barrett. If he went to Toledo instead of Ohio state we would not even know his name right now.
See, thing is,he was the second-highest rated Dual Threat QB in his class after not playing at all during his senior year, so he was actually quite the recruit. He wouldn't have ended up in Toledo
No shit, Sherlock. Way to go out on a limb with that one. I couldn’t tell you the name of anyone who’s ever played quarterback for Toledo.
I couldn’t tell you the name of anyone who’s ever played quarterback for Toledo.
And you're from Cincinnati? An ex-Toledo QB with the Bengals just got pinched for a DUI. Also, Bruce Gradkowski is a pretty big name.
Solid NFL backup-absolutely, "pretty big name"............lol...........
And you're from Cincinnati? An ex-Toledo QB with the Bengals just got pinched for a DUI. Also, Bruce Gradkowski is a pretty big name.
Yeah, I'm from Cincinnati and although I grew up a Bungles fan, if I am now, it's more out of loyalty to my hometown than any real interest in the team. Part of that is because I'm not much of an NFL fan. To me, the Bengals are like a homicide cold case that whenever residents who have moved away come back home to visit, they can't help but drive past the crime scene and wonder what happened.
Bruce Gradkowski's a "pretty big name?" Come on...
NFL stats over 10 years: 375/709 (52.9%), 21 TDs, 24 INTs, 4,057 career yards, 65.8 QBR.
Can't disagree with you on the Bengals. It really is an exercise in self punishment. But it's a cross we bear, I suppose.
I stand by my statement about Gradkowski. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady. But he actually played in the NFL for a short period -- including a stint with the Bengals. He wasn't just fodder on the practice squad and/or a permanent clipboard holder -- which, if I'm being honest, is more than I expect of JTB.
I would think most people who watched the NFL at that time would know who he is. Which, to me, is enough to overcome the implication that no former Toledo QB is worth a dang.
Torrance Gibson. So much hype, then...nada.
Torrance Gibson's evaluation would be more accurately described as "incomplete" since he never had a chance to play.
5 star Justin Zwick.......never thought he would be any good, Tressel gave him a shot- Troy Smith finally took over at QB at mid season and the rest is history.....
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
EVERYBODY is wrong. Its Johnny Utah.
It looks like I typed Shane Falco below in the thread pretty much right when you posted this reply. Great minds...
Corey Brown - Gateway High, Pittsburgh. Thankfully, Vonn Bell stepped up.
Boom Herron was super over rated. Solid bowling ball, nothing special
Who overrated Boom? He was a good RB but never mentioned as some legend.
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Terrelle Pryor comes to mind. He never looked comfortable as quarterback for us. The scandal drew attention away from him never living up to the hype.
Although i understand and even agree with the ire many fans have for TP, i think if anything as time goes on we have started under rating TP.
A couple things to consider
1) this to me is the biggest, he never got his Sr year to pad his career stats and his Jr year of 2010 have been removed from his career numbers also, so he looks well down the list in many catagories
Assuming he had simply duplicated 2010 in the 2011 season he would have finished with the following:
62.1% Completions Pct - 4th best
Passing Yards - 8949 - 2nd only to JT
Passing TDs - 84 - 2nd only to JT again
Career QB rating - 148.5 - 4th best behind JT, Troy and Joe Germaine
Then add in his running
Yards - 2918 - 14th best all time and 2nd or 3rd best (depending on how you view Brax Sr year yards) to only JT in QB rushing yards
YPC - 5.1
R TDs - 21
Total Offense - close to 12000 depending on if he caught anymore passes - 2nd to only JT
Assuming he would have been enough to overcome UM and we win in 2011 then he would have been 4-0 vs UM etc etc
2) he was coached by a glorified clipboard holder in Nick Siciliano for his time at OSU, yes Tress had a big hand in it too, but with a "real" QB coach, who knows how he would have performed.
3) had he shown even modest improvement as Sr vs his Jr year, then all of those stats would be even better
As much as I hate to say it as I didn't care for him much as a representative of the university, He should probably rank in the top 5-6 QBs all time at OSU
Agreed. TP was MVP of two straight BCS bowl wins and was poised for a massive senior year.
TP had that team on his back, just like Braxton did the next 2 years. Urban had to do some serious recruiting/coaching to get the skill positions to where they needed to be.
Totally. People forget that TP would likely have been the favorite to win the Heisman in 2011.
TP had that team on his back, just like Braxton did the next 2 years. Urban had to do some serious recruiting/coaching to get the skill positions to where they needed to be.
This could be a #take for a new thread that I don't have the guts to post. But there was definitely a lack of skill players, and a lack of production from several highly touted recruits.
I almost listed TP, but didn't because of all the reasons you did. His sophomore year was disappointing, until the final 4 games. And those were an impressive 4 games, and those carried into his junior year. Looking back, I think those Buckeye teams weren't quite as good as some of the other teams Tress had, but Pryor hid that fact. I didn't always like him when he was here, but I look back more fondly now. I mean he put up bigger numbers that Troy did in his heisman year, and there is no doubt that 2010 team didn't have the same offensive weapons.
TP also did what he did in a Tressel offense with Boom Herron as a RB and Dane Sazenbacher as his best other words, he was greatly held back by the system and his teammates on offense. Plugging TP into the OSU offenses since Urban Meyer arrive would be a sight to behold.
Ray Small. Discuss.
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Yeah he’s up there alright, and not just for his on-the-field performance. He wasn’t awful, but maybe we were just hoping for Ted Ginn 2.0 - and that just isn’t a fair thing to expect from anyone.
Also, Ted Ginn should appear nowhere on this list. His hype was verified.
He was all hype and no results. He didn't play much though. I'm interpreting overrated as someone that played fairly often, but there were better players behind him. That award goes to Stanley Jackson.
Kenyon Rambo. He was supposed to be the next Cris Cater, but with speed. Instead, he moves to upstate Washington and gets arrested by Brian Denehey for vagrancy, starts his own war with the local sheriff's department, and brings a helicopter down with a stone. What might have been.
This is going back a ways but Joe Pickens has to be the most overrated player that I can remember. He was the #1 rated QB in the country and never played.
Seems pretty split on how people are interpreting his question. Is it...
1) Someone who came in hyped up and never showed it?
2) Someone who people liked and had people say he was really good, but in reality, wasn't as good as people thought?
I answered it as #2.
I took the question as your 2nd option as well.
the 1st option is essentially 'who is the biggest recruiting bust in OSU history'. aka 5-star dude that flamed out for whatever reason.
Interesting take. I found it to be one in the same myself. If a player is highly rated, and had played well in high school, those are the ones that are most talked about. I can't really think of too many 3* players that came in having everybody talking about and be a total disappointment.
On the other hand, some on here have chosen players that have made a significant contribution as ones they are the most disappointed in. I find that interesting. When it comes down to it, virtually every player that is awarded a scholarship at OSU is rated fairly high. So to myself, a player that is rated very high and isn't able to contribute would be the most disappointing not a 3* that received fewer offers that didn't pan out. So I went with your 1st option.
overrated was the word used...not disappointed.
To me, players that didn't play much or transferred out early on don't really 'rate' at all and by definition can't be overrated. there can certainly be recruiting busts...but that's different, to me, than the question asked.
Whoever in this thread posted the picture of Peppers...to me that's what the question is asking. who is Ohio State's Peppers?
Torence Gibson. Wow, what a disappointment.
Fill in the blank with an Urban-era WR who can block but can't catch a cold.
I'm going with "overrated" meaning people say he was great when he really wasn't.
Cardale Jones - he was good. He had the arm. But all of his big passes (mostly to D. Smith) were behind the receiver and required him to slow down and make a play on his own. I don't remember one that was in stride. Cardale's three game stretch was similar to the second half of last year's national championship with Tua from Bama. No tape, defenses didn't know how to defend a different offense with a QB that could actually throw the ball down the field. We won the Natty because of the OL and Zeke, and a defense that turned UP for every game. Cardale was perfect for that time but we wouldn't have even been in the playoff conversation if he was our QB all season.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Cardale was perfect for that time but we wouldn't have even been in the playoff conversation if he was our QB all season.
I don't think you can definitely state that...losing Devin Smith and more importantly Tom Herman affected that offense more than just Cardale in 2015. JT wasn't lighting the world up either that season. Cardale still finished his career undefeated.
You're not wrong. But I think you're also supporting my point. Cardale gets a ton of praise for that stretch but he did only what he needed to do "throw the ball up and let Devin Smith do the work" or hand it to Zeke. Any QB with a good arm could have done the same thing.
It was the greatest stretch of football in my lifetime and I was at the Natty...nothing will take it away from Cardale or us as fans and I love the guy for stepping up when JT went down. But I still think he's overrated from what people label him as...when looking at it completely objectively of course.
Smith averaged 2.3 catches per game in those 3 games. And 1.5 in the last 2.
Joned averaged 15.3 completions per game in those 3 games. And 17.0 in the last 2 games.
Jones did more than just throw it up to Devin Smith. Way more. He wasn't perfect and winning the games definitely helps how people think about him and his legacy. So i'd agree with him being overrated. Just not with the history being written as all he did was throw the ball up to DS or hand off to Elliott.
I did imply that's what he did, and I didn't mean that. He made other good throws too but the biggest plays he made were to Smith, or bulldozing Bama defenders. He was just a game manager.
I wasn't supporting your point though. No one knows how 2014 goes if he was the starter from day 1 with Tom Herman calling the plays. He may have actually developed nicely and been given a real shot to be a contributor in the NFL. He made some bad turnovers against Bama and Oregon, but had the composure to overcome them. And that week leading up to the Wisconsin game - he was the question mark.
But what you seem to hold against him is 2015...and again, that offense with 3 voices leading it was sputtering all season long, no matter who the QB was, until the last 2 games when they just threw in the towel on a deep passing game and power ran Michigan and Notre Dame into submission.
I don't consider him overrated at all. Neither is Germaine or JTB. You want to talk overrated...turn on ESPN and watch the former OSU QB turned talking head. Vastly overrated as an analyst and QB.
Cardale is a very hard one to judge.
Yes he won a national title and especially in the Wisky game looked tremendous. But in the other 2 he was fairly pedestrian
Against Bama he was 18 of 35 or barely 50%, threw a pick and had a fumble as well, while running for only 43 yards on 17 atts and we won by 7, ie well enough to win but not really a "great performance"
Oregon was similar in that even though he completed a higher percentage of throws, he had another pick and lost 2 fumbles in the game. He also ran for only 38 yards on 21 atts
To me those 2 wins rest on Zeke and the defense backs, not Cardale's
Now he could have easily played terrible on those 2 games but did just well enough to allow a dominant back and defense to get us the wins.
Wisky was a whole other story of course.
Really if you "ignore" the Wisky game, the next 2 games were frankly just similar to what he produced in 2015.
The 2 playoff games he was 34 of 58 or 58.6%, 485 yards with 2 TDs and 2 INTs, 3 fumbles with 2 of them lost and sacked 4 times
He ran 38 times for just 81 yards or 2.1 per carry and 1 TD
The next year he went 110-176 or 62.5% with 1460 yards with 8 TDs and 5 Picks, was sacked 13 times
he ran for 193 yards on 64 atts or 3.0 ypc and had 2 TDs all against far inferior competition than he faced the year before
So overall thats 144 for 234 or 61.5%, 1945 yards with 10 TDs and 7 INTs, while running for 274 yards on 98 atts or just 2.8 YPC with 3 TDs
That's a 139.5 QB rating, ie very average.
That one night against Wisky represented 11% of his total career passing yards and 20% of his passing TDs
Like the guy I mentioned (Krenzel), I will never bad mouth Cardale due to being a key cog in a national title, but an objective look at him shows he wa s quite average, much like Craig
I think a lot can be explained by expectations for Cardale. Going into the game against Wisky and Alabama, expectations were pretty low (I believe UW may have even been favored), and they were exceeded. Going into the 2015 season, expectations were sky high.
True. He exceeded expectations (by far) in the 3 post-season games in the 2014 season, and fell short of expectations in 2015, all while performing about the same. Even in the Big Ten Championship game against Wisky, when he had the best stats, two of his TDs and a big chunk of his passing yards came on less than stellar throws where Devin Smith made adjustments and out-fought the defender for the ball (the third TD to Smith was a legitimate good throw).
The 2015 season was going to be a train wreck with any QB at the helm for reasons outside of their control. We had no identity in 2015 other than Zeke and the Slobs. Can't put that all on Cardale.
He looked good against Wisky but again, I think all of his big passes to Devin Smith were underthrown. Maybe he trusted Smith to make the play that much...but for a guy who can throw it as far as he can, he should never be underthrowing a wide open receiver like that.
Actually after JT starting taking a greater portion of the snaps starting with the MD game, JT played very well that year.
His QB rating in the last 7 games he played in was 151.2!!!
He had 66.1% completion Pct, threw for 11.1 YPC, with 9 TDs and only 2 INTs
He also ran 618 yards on 109 carries or 5.7 YPC and 11 TDs
And the offense overall jumped from about 4+ points per game more than they had before.
In the first 5 games plus Minny (since JT didnt play that game) we averaged 33.3/game and the other 7 games where JT played significant minutes we averaged 37.7 even counting the MSU debacle
Who's throwing all the DV's out?
Wondered the same thing ... I assumed it was Fatpants' revenge.
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Shane Falco. Sure he was an All American, but he couldn't get it done in the Sugar Bowl.
The way he is talked about on here and some of the articles posted, one could make a good argument for Dwayne Haskins. Now prove me wrong Dwayne.
I would have to agree. He's been hyped so much there is nowhere to go but down.
Seattle Linga, one would think that with all of those HS he would be the author of some epic threads, but you'd be wrong
If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff
Richard McNutt in 2002. I spent good money to buy a "McNutt for Heisman" shirt and he didn't come close :)
I still have and love that shirt!
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
JT. Very smart, mobile, accurate on short passes, but his success was largely the product of Urban's insanely productive offense. After his freshman season he never looked the same. There's a reason he went undrafted.
If you don't think this offense can make a solid player look great, go back and watch Kenny Guiton. He had an 84.4 QBR in 2013. That's higher than any of JT's seasons outside his freshman year. Not saying Guiton was a better overall QB, but that is telling.
Definitely not inaccurate. I will say that JT had a will to get things done on certain plays a lot of QBs don't have. But you could plug in almost any competent QB into Urban's offense with the same incredible tools around him and get similar production. As long as the QB has a level head and can make decent reads and throws, you're going to get 3500+ total yds, 35+ tds from anyone.
JT... as in Jim Tressel. Fed on a terrible Big Ten. Pantsed by Urban. Meh recruiter. Enabler of terrible offensive schemes and coaches. Not the moral compass that everyone clings to with his role in Tatgate...
hot enough take?
if there is a problem with this take, it is certainly not insufficient hotness
agree about his shortcomings as a recruiter and maybe as an offensive schemer. his strengths were player development and teaching the fundamentals (tackling and blocking). as a teacher and developer, I would have put him up against any coach in football.
100% agree. Once he took over with mostly his own recruited players, OSU was never a legitimate national contender. In fact, they couldn't even show up respectfully against top 5 teams, i.e. Florida, LSU, USC (2008).
Plus, his whole "gosh gee, ohh shucks" shtick wasn't funny anymore when we were spiraling into mediocrity. Kind of like when Gordon Gee made that comment about whether he was going to fire Tress and he said "Gosh I just hope they don't fire me". Get serious man.
Connor Smith. OL out of Colerain. Played for Kerry Coombs. #42 ranked player in 2006. Never started a game at OSU
Kyle Kalis - drop the mc
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