Any relation to Rudy Hubbard early 60's Buckeye?
I am not sure about Rudy, but he is the cousin of Sam
They could be twins
A man got to have a code...
Just so long as he’s not the Son of Sam.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Made me chuckle
Fields of Dreams
The Alford/Hubbard relationship looks strong. That's what is really amazing to me about this staff, the way they connect with teenage athletes.
All without sleepovers and that other shenanigans...
Blessed to be a Buckeye
It’s crazy to think that out of 900 attendees of all classes, maybe a dozen might ultimately play at Ohio State. It takes a jeweler’s fine eye for talent to sift through all those diamonds in the rough to find the very best.
Was there anyone we haven’t of before who really impressed?
Hubbard’s list of offers includes Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Minnesota and Nebraska, suggesting he’d probably have one from the Buckeyes, too, if he were originally from Arizona — or any other state, for that matter.
This, to me, is messed up. It seems now that the best chance for an Ohio kid to get an early offer from THE Ohio State University is to move to another state and deny that he has any Ohio pride. I'm confused.
I'm trying to come up with a way that's not as acidic and damning as it first reads and, nope, not coming up with one.
Truth hurts. I agree with moop.
I don't agree there might be 10 other kids they like better if not he would have a ship if he is that good. You guys need to get off the Ohio thing.
I agree. If the staff wanted him regardless of offer list they would offer. Also the Ohio thing is super over rated. Win titles go national. Compete for Big Ten recruit just Ohio. Which by the way has less rivals 250 prospects than Michigan. The days of taking just Ohio prospects are over. Any team that competes for national title goes national.Being from Ohio does not make you a better Buckeye football player.
'More Ohio kids' - not my point.
'Not declining equally-talented Ohio kids when they would have an offer if they didn't like Ohio State' - the point
Yup. Good point.
Are they equally talented?Im not saying they are not. Just food for thought.I tend to think that if the staff wants a player. They take them. Regardless where they from. Take the kid from Ft Wayne. Staff wanted him they said commit. I doubt if he was from Dayton they would have said hold off since you are from Ohio. The staff does not discriminate against Ohio. They do know that they have a built in advantage with a Ohio kid and may be able to go harder after an out of state kid. But they are gonna take the best player regardless of state. If the running back is someone who the staff feels is one of the best players in the nation they will take his commitment regardless of Arizona or Ohio. It’s the player not the state
"Are they equally talented?"
So, I don't know the answer to that. But Andrew Lind is tapped-in to these things, so when he tells us that he would have an offer if he weren't an Ohioan, my answer is 'probably.'
I'm just going by what the article's saying.
For the most part I agree with you, once a kid is a Buckeye, they're a Buckeye, no matter where they're from. We also need to recruit nationally to sift through and find high character players.
But if an Ohio kid is equally as talented, why not take them. They're already familiar with our culture, our traditions and the rivalry. I guess I don't understand the Ohio-last strategy when all players already have national rankings and have attended camps.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Hubbard views himself as an Ohioan through and through, which is likely a big reason why the staff hasn’t extended a scholarship offer just yet.
Big mistake, kid. Don't say that you view yourself as an Ohioan if you want that early offer from The Ohio State University. C'mon man, everybody knows that!!!
It’s one of the few things this staff does that I don’t love.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Nothing to be confused about at all. If your from the moon and your elite your getting a offer. Ohio kids will jump at the drop of a hat. Not only that didn't it say maybe in another story here he wasn't sure handed catching the ball? To me that blows my mind is 900 kids and how do you evaluate that many kids. That breaks down to about 100 kid per position.
Or be a can't miss talent like Zach Harrison who earned one early. They offer Ohio kids early but some that they are comparing to other OOS recruits equally they will take their time with. These kids know if they will get one or not if they meet the goals set up for them.
I especially don't like sandbagging but I'm sure they aren't sandbagging this kid. Just think, he has a tight relationship with the main QB they want and can help them with recruiting out west. There are too many advantages to bringing him in, unless they are truly evaluating him.
Plus most in state schools also do the same. UM sits on 5 stars in state. Hence why MSU has stolen some top in state talent. Nature of the game. As long as Urban keeps bringing in an NPF after losing a Carman, I'm cool with in state kids having to prove themselves more than OOS. Urban doesn't just give out offers just because you are from Ohio.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
Open and honest communication with the kid is the key.
"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes
I don't see why this is so difficult for people to get.
1) If you're trying to build the best class you can, you need to bring in the best players you can get.
2) Every commit you accept is one fewer available spot at a given position, closing the door to some extent on that position.
3) In order to continue to pursue the very best players-- many if whom won't decide until late in the pricess-- you need spots available for them.
4) Ohio kids are much more likely than anyone else to say yes to OSU quickly upon being offered. (Hubbard certainly fits this description.)
5) Therefore, every Ohio kid you offer has to be looked at as potentially closing the door on kids from every other state in the country, many of whom might well be more desirable in the staff's eyes than the Ohio kid.
6) THUS-- unless an Ohio kid is a definite take over anyone else, you need to slow play him until your other options are resolved. Otherwise, you're going to end up with a roster choked with second-tier Ohio kids taking up spots that could (and should!) have gone to first-tier kids from literally any other of the 49 states. AND NOW YOU'RE TOLEDO, INSTEAD OF A PERENNIAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER.
Does that help?
Well done. I always thought this was the process...of critical thinking by the coaching staff.
The spin is where the "Ohio kid" gets pissed off and starts talking negatively. ( or drops huge suggestions that he is pissed off)...which were captured in this article.
This kid may have a beef rightly. Or he may not..
But he is being very vocal in a questionable way....which is not good.
Cant please everyone I guess.
Knowledge is Power
Can we get this post pinned so that every time someone pouts about Ohio kids we can link to it?
Appreciate your breakdown, very well-explained. The culture of amateur sports is drastically different, and what you state makes me appreciate the coaches prior to Meyer even more as the program competed at an elite national level for decades while prioritizing and coaching up its homegrown talent. I'd argue that that was a fundamental staple of the university. In today's "win now" times, it's hard for coaches to be patient and develop a kid. To think that Ohio's best high school talent would amount to Ohio State becoming a MAC level school makes me realize how skilled and patient past coaches were, and makes me appreciate how much they cared for the state. Definitely different times, and it's hard for many of us to accept that now being a local kid wanting to play for your state university is now a negative in the game of Ohio State recruiting. But, what you wrote does make perfect sense and is reflective of the popular attitudes of this day and age.
If a kid is from Ohio he has to be very highly rated in order to get the attention of this staff. I've noticed they will take lower rated players from everywhere else but Ohio. don't get me wrong they offer Ohio kids that aren't 5 stars but if you give them a choice between a 4 star from Ohio vs a 4 star from California or Georgia they seem to prefer the out of state kid. I don't have that big of a problem with it like I use to but I truly believe they don't value in state recruits as much as out of state recruits. They said its harder to evaluate Ohio kids because they don't have spring football but something tells me that even if Ohio kids did have spring football they would get the same treatment. At the end of the day I'm glad their going after the top players from around the country we need to recruit nationally in order to compete but when they go out of state and start offering guys they can probably find in their own back yard that's when they throw me off a little
The real question is.
1a How many of those offers are committable.
1b How many of those offers will be there when the player is ready to sign his LOI.
Chill people. Chill!! They know the temperature of this recruit and his parents. They do this for a living and seldom fail!!!!! We don’t know everything behind the scenes. Let the process play itself out
Waiting to hear from all the "slow playing recruiting strategy" strategists out there.
This kid figured it out. Hope we don't lose him.
And FWIW....it's correctly termed..."Up North", "Down South", "Out West' , "Mid West".."East Coast".
Waiting to hear from all the "slow playing recruiting strategy" strategists out there.
They’re chillin’ with the #starhanderouters and enjoying Dad’s Day.
“Rushed for 500 yards and seven seasons”....
so that makes him 22 or 23?....lol
Based on 14 other RB offers and the new recruiting strategy, my assumption is that even if he gets an offer, it would not be commitable at this time. 500 yards and seven TDs as a soph at IMG is one thing but that level of production is not the same thing at an Arizona HS, even if it’s a powerhouse like Chaparral. I’m guessing he’ll need to have a big junior year to make it commitable.
1. Only rushed for 500 yards. Was he the starter?
2. Claims that Arizona football is “quicker” than Ohio football. Ummmm, what?
3. Am I a jerk for saying his film wasn’t that impressive to me?
Split carries with two upperclassmen.
That makes sense. Thanks
Who I believe are both back—2019 Marqui Johnson (48 carries, 378 yards, 3 TDs rushing and 29 catches, 518 yards, 5 TDs receiving) and 2019 Joshua Edwards (48 carries, 308 yards, 3 TDs rushing, 13 TDs and 13 catches, 129 yards, 2 TDs receiving). Hubbard had one reception for 20 yards that he took in for a touchdown.
Neither Johnson or Edwards has any offers so this is the year all three should be looking to separate himself from the pack.
Actual quote was "lot quicker". Not saying that there is any truth to it, but the Phoenix metro area high school football scene is getting crazy. With spring football, 7 on 7 tournaments, football specialized speed training/athletic complexes popping up all over, the players are improving rapidly. I know there are plenty of fast kids in Ohio, though. Not trying to debate.
Everyone that follows this must know the rankings are not just one group of experts. They all have different rankings and maybe even have different guide lines they follow and look at. So does Urban Myer and his staff. Not only they look at speed a certain size they also look for will they fit in with the current team. What they do in the class room and past history on the streets so to speak. Remember we had a nice DE last year we let go because of certain issues but PSU now has him to maybe baby sit. Again like the qb position Urban wants a qb that fits 5 boxes if they don't probably no offer. We all need to remember our staff first of all knows what they are looking for and we don't. They also see miles and miles of film and question the player and his coach questions to get a feel of what they are recruiting. These high light tapes we see is a very small sampling of what goes into recruiting. When they rank a position Ohio kids don't get lowered they probably get a bump over a kid from OOS. One last thing players from the south take their time and drag out recruiting so you need to save a spot for the very elite if your in the hunt. When Tress was here he said he wanted kids that wanted to play for OSU and I doubt he ever tried to flip a player. Your either in or out and that's why we had so many Ohio kids and the class was filled up quickly.
Think what could of been if we recruited more like this in the past. I think of the 68 super sophs. team with a couple more studs may have never lost a game. They had a great run but I'm sure lacked someplace that could of been beefed up.