Ohio State Owns the Last 25 NFL Drafts

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Byaaaahhh's picture

This is what I like to see in the offseason.

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osu78's picture

The table is clearly wrong. If done properly, the SEC is a cut above everyone, because, well SES SEC SEC...

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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countrybuckeye's picture

indeed

known metric is that 

‘cuz the droolin’ cheermedia tell us so

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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SnGinWV's picture

wow...  not really shocked that we're on top..  but surprised by the comfortable margin.  it doesn't look like we're gonna get caught anytime soon either

Life long fan of... The!

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buckeyetjn80's picture

Widen the margin is more likely.

Love the game over any team fandom.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

NFL U.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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njcro's picture

Didn't come here to play school. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

Shield U?

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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Hovenaut's picture

Love the U fans already in there bitching up a storm.

Sending over some helmet stickers for your RedditCredits, KnoMar11...well done.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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knoch11's picture

Much appreciated, kind sir.

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Hovenaut's picture

Honest to goodness saw the Reddit handle and thought that might be you.

Now we kno...

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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NiekampPayton's picture

Insane what these coaches have been able to accomplish at Ohio State. Those numbers are about to go up after this year considering the amount of returning starters and fresh talent getting ready to emerge off the bench.

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BierStube's picture

Are the Browns aware of this!!!

"No matter where you go, there you are." B. Banzai

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I understand they've recently become aware.

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Chewbucca's picture

Yes, this is a link that Hue Jackson needs saved to his favorites.

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sonofbuck's picture

Now if we'd just beat Clemson, so I wouldn't have to listen to the locals

UNDISPUTED!

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Silver Sniper's picture

I'm in So Cal so I was so happy to have finally avenged those home and away losses to USC last season.

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Zacfannin's picture

Was debating with an OU fan at work today. This helps my argument that much more. Go Bucks!!!

As long as we beat scUM.

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GareBear's picture

Impressed by OSU, but also what seems to be the entire state of Florida?? Florida State, Florida and Miami are all consistently in the top 10... 

Glad OSU is going very well on it’s own, but dang. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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ohiopanda's picture

I'm having deja vu, twice I think.... Go for the trifecta and put it in a buckshot too

posted in the forum    posted in the forum from reddit      coach version

But in all seriousness, love this work and type of reading

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OSUBias's picture

It would be a pain in the ass to do, but it would be interesting to see a yearly average based on current coach only. Guessing there would be some swings in both directions (USC down, Bama up). It does speak to the quality coaches OSU has been able to string together to avoid the dreaded down era, though. Very interesting stuff. 

Braving the long dark of the offseason

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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OSUBias's picture

Thank you and my apologies for not realizing that some enterprising 11/12Wer already did it

Braving the long dark of the offseason

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Buckfrombirth's picture

TTUN is 11th in 1st round points. That's as close to relevant as their football program has been for years.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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twotimebuck's picture

Hate the scoring system. There's no way I would value a one point difference between each round.

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twotimebuck's picture

(Revised comment from above) If I were a GM, I would not be willing to trade a first rounder (7 pts) for a package of a second rounder (6pts) and a seventh rounder (1pt). I don't know what the exact difference between the rounds should be, but I don't think any GM would value this system.

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knoch11's picture

That's definitely a fair critique. However, it's just a manner by which I can measure everything with as little subjectivity as possible. I could add more points for 1st rounders, or remove some for 7th rounders, but then there would be disputes over how many. It's not a perfect system, but it is consistent.

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Bigbutterbuckeye's picture

Yeah in the reddit thread TTUN fans were already kinda bitching about the value of Tom Brady. How many points do you give a successful 7th rounder? How many do you take away from a first round bust? While your system is simple other than having a shit ton of mathing involved, I like it because it basically just evaluates how well schools prepare players up till the draft. After that it is all on the player and the team that drafts them.

ESPN starting the SEC channel to concentrate on the SEC is like Baskin-Robbins starting a new store to concentrate on selling ice cream.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Where do you draw the line though? Is the last man in the first round worth that much more than the first man in the second round?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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chris's picture

according to his paycheck, maybe so.

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TPMBuck's picture

I would award points inverse to number of player's in that year's draft.

Assuming 224 players in a draft (7 rounds @32 teams), #1 pick gets 224 points, #2 gets 223 points, down to Mr. Irrelevant at 1 point.

Award supplemental picks at end of each round equal to the #32 pick for that round.

You would get a truer picture of overall value based on points (quantity) and could also get 'average draft position' (quality) over that time. Hey, it's the offseason so you've got lots of time, right?

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SonOfBuckeye's picture

Hate the scoring system. There's no way I would value a one point difference between each round.

Football Outsiders took a stab at this and came up with a variety of stats. Average # starts / round looks like a good metric (based on players drafted from 1994 to 1999):

Round (Avg. starts)
1 (100.8)
2 (62.8)
3 (38.2)
4 (27.6)
5 (20.5)
6 (15.3)
7 (12.9)

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Note: These numbers include the supplemental draft, which means some 2018 numbers have yet to be added.

So, Alabama only needs to have 23 players taken in the 3rd round of the Supplemental Draft to overtake the Buckeyes... 

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tjjordan's picture

This is what I been saying for so long. I remember a couple years ago I did my own little research and basically found out the same thing. I have told people that over the last 20 years OSU has been putting the most players in the NFL . Its funny because when I did my form of research Florida State came up as the second best team at putting players in the league. This is correct information trust me I remember going over things like this and getting similar results.

tj

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analyticalguy's picture

Being drafted isn't quite the same thing as making the NFL, what with some UFAs making it, and with some drafted players not. Of course, that analysis could lead to the same conclusion.

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BiggHoww's picture

OSU is Thee best place to play the fooseball!

The ugly truth is often downvoted

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

One could argue, that based on these numbers...we should have more Championships (Division, Conference, National)

Knowledge is Power

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Buckeye Jack's picture

WRU

Ohio State - 43
Miami - 42
USC - 41

The above are all-time stats. Number of WRs drafted.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/wr

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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tbuckeyew's picture

I just converted this to Excel and saved it to my computer.  What a good way to pass time at work. 

Go Bucks!

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Buck68's picture

i remember when i "dominated" a tennis player much better than i.  I hit two of his best serves down the opposite line and he didn't even get a swing on either.

he looked at me....

and of course i stopped counting because... well... the usual.   ;-{)}

but the important thing is i DOMINATED!   Lol

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Buck68's picture

"OWNING the last 25 drafts"... is when i 'get' 714 and #2 gets 699 and i 'have more' ....be cause i don't count all the rest?

OK... this kinda stuff sorts irks me...

be cause IMO we make arrogant, conclusive, inflated, statistically slanted claims to puff up our little egos.

IMO

Taking what the teams and coaches have earned, for a cheez-its, bobbleheaded part-timer 'hi' on the sidelines like me.

I'm ...not 'so excited to be here'.

The day this sorta stuff ceases to embarrass me... i'll start proclaiming the virtues of 'General Studies' and that fetid hole in the ground up north.

//pre-summer greatest ever heat stroke rant //over

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I'm not going to let my kids eat Cheese Its any more.

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Buck68's picture

agree NorCal... "letting" is the  self-anointed 'superior leader from behind'... while Cheezits are the red herring smile.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

This looks like a duplicate thread, Mods. Please delete

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

The goal is to have a successful and rewarding NFL career.  While I love to see OSU at the top of this list it is not what really matters at the next level.  If you want to do something truly impressive take those draft picks and translate them into NFL games started and total combined seasons on a 53 man regular season rosters. I am far more pleased and impressed when I see a former Buckeyes on the field making plays in the NFL then simply hearing that someone was drafted.  Drafted does not equal successful NFL career.

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Steelydan54's picture

The goal at OSU is to compete for B1G and National Championships and to recruit players who can reach goals 1-1a. Getting players drafted is one of the best ways to recruit at the necessary level. 

It is completely up to the player to have a long and storied NFL career once their college days are over. So higher draft rounds and numbers of players drafted are perfectly legit goals for our purposes. Of course we love it when Cam Heyward and Malcolm Jenkins and many others have those long careers but don't forget that a "long" NFL career is an oxymoron for the vast majority of players. NFL=Not For Long. 

Steelybuck54

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CowCat's picture

 Drafted does not equal successful NFL career.

True, but at least the number of players drafted is an objective measure. Past the draft there are too many things that can occur: Team fit, Injuries, surrounding players, competence of the coaching staff, trades, substance abuse, etc. etc.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Buck68's picture

Cowcat... "an objective measure" ...of what?

The "number of players drafted" is an objective measure of the number of players drafted, not why or by what measures each NFL picks that particular player at that particular point in that draft.  IIRC each team 'does what's best for them'... whatever that means.  Case in point:  Cleveland?  ;-{)}

Another case in point:  Andrew Norwell.

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CowCat's picture

It's interesting to look at the NC results from that list over that time period:

1) Alabama (of course): 6
2) FSU: 3
T 3) Ohio State, Florida State, Florida: 2
T 4) LSU, USC: 1.5 (one outright, one split)
T 5) Tennessee, Miami: 1

So, if we compare NFL-level talent vs. NC results, Alabama is overachieving, FSU is about right and OSU is slightly underachieving.

What's also interesting is the number of teams not high in NFL draft picks that won NCs: Nebraska (2) Auburn, Texas, Oklahoma (1) and TTUN (.5)

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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ohiopanda's picture

It would be neat have a sort of 'slider bar', so you can window a certain number of years leading up to each national championship - then you could see if the NFL talent peaks in those years. For example, if Alabama had a ridiculous level of talent during the past decade compared to others. 25 years gives a general trend, but narrowing it down would be interesting

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CowCat's picture

Good idea. 25 years is a large time window. It does show success over time, but not the impact of a NC-caliber team (winning it or getting close).  We've been in the NC hunt since 2013. We won 1 NC, made the playoffs another year and we were basically one loss from making the playoffs for the other 3 years.

Other teams drop out of the picture. Nebraska and USC come to mind. It would be cool to see how the overall perceived strength of a team correlates with draft numbers

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

Thanks CowCat....I mentioned further up that one could argue we should have more titles (Conference and Natty).

You're work clarifies the point

Knowledge is Power

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I commented in the forum regarding when I first knew I was a Buckeye fan (I became one at birth) was 1970, and I seem to remember the disappointments at not winning the national championship as much as winning (I know 1970 is claimed, but I only remember crying as a young fan because of Jim Plunkett).  

On the one hand, I'm proud to see Buckeyes at #1, at however one would weight the draft picks, as the 1-3 rounds should probably only be weighted higher relative to the lower rounds if one wants to quibble with the developer's methodology, but it still hurts to think about 1998, 2006, 2007, and 2015 and what could/should have been.  

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Numbers not opinion. Hoping every high school football player in America sees the above info. Very nice.

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Turfgrad's picture

Where in the hell is Fichigan?

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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NHBuckeye's picture

If there were points for Field Trips they’d show up on the list.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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Urbanologist's picture

These numbers also show that Florida as a state dominates, 3 schools in the top 5. The other big reveal is that the SEC, by a country ass mile, dominates in putting players into the league.  What is also amazing about this is how many 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc..best. shcools in the SEC have NFL quality players.

Theire is only one truth...

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Kernfan's picture

If someone wanted a different point system with variations within rounds, here is one that I thought was interesting (article on point system and how the writer came up with it):

http://www.footballperspective.com/draft-value-chart/

http://www.footballperspective.com/creating-a-draft-value-chart-part-ii/

this system was used in this article on which college team had most NFL talent

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/university-of-miami-hurricanes-coll...

and comparison of which schools and conferences did well in the 2018 draft by this metric

http://www.footballperspective.com/2018-draft-value-by-college-and-confe...

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teddyballgame's picture

I'm just in awe at the size of that spreadsheet.  Good stuff Knoch11

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stpetebuck's picture

Luv dis 

Amazing to dominate this list without being from the south .  

more more more!!

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buckeyetodd's picture

would rather win championships than be the top draft pick team. 

ToddT

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45has2's picture

Nick Saban rather dominate National Championships.

Censores irrumasti.

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Buck68's picture

perhaps an angel looks homeward...*

an imp leads the 'dominators' with backward data, to totally backward with nary a backup light.

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*Look Homeward, Angel.  By Thomas Wolfe.  A classic novel drawing heavily on the author's youth, of a teen coming of age.

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Yoda888's picture

Insightful article that provides some real context and perspective.  Refreshing given the current instant gratification and what have you done for me lately culture.  

25 years is a significant and relevant enough period to really shine a light on how The Buckeyes have really transitioned successfully into the modern and national level in collegiate football.  Have to give coach cooper for kickstarting the team’s national prominence w a national approach to recruiting, coach Tressel continuing to build on that, and coach Meyer taking it to the next level.  

Things don’t happen in a vacuum after all  figured that! It takes a lot of dedicated folks, working together, over a long period of time for sustained success   

GO BUCKS

Yoda888

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