Film Study: Does Ohio State Need to Worry About Ann Arbor's Newest Resident, Former Ole Miss Quarterback Shea Patterson?

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703Buckeye's picture

Patterson is the best QB Harbaugh! has had at M!chigan. I just wonder who's going to be blocking for him while he's attempting passes.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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osu78's picture

My thoughts as well. Unless his line gives him time he won't be able to do much but run for his life; and it appears he gets flustered under pressure. It will be interesting to see how he does against pressure in the B1G with Wisky, MSU, PSU and then The Game. It would be poetic if he wilts in the B1G and burrows shines in the SEC.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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martin anderson's picture

burrows? I'm not trying to be the grammar police but it is utterly amazing that a guy spends three years in the program at OSU and has been front page news for three days and people still don't know his name.

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Floyd Stahl's picture

I thought his name was Joey Burrito.

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Kshed's picture

Based upon all the LSU blogs ive read this last week, I thought it was Jeaux Burreaux....

Nice marmot.

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SilverHaven's picture

Amigo, I thought hees name wass Cho Burrito.

Au contraire, monsieur, c'est Jeaux Burreaux.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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osu78's picture

I hate auto correct. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

especially if that auto is an AMC Pacer 

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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BengalErnst's picture

Cris Carter dominated the NFL for over a decade and is a proud buckeye and the majority of fans still spell his name Chris Carter.. 

Nicholas l Ernst

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SilverHaven's picture

Cris was born Graduel Christopher Darin Carter.

So at least his mama could spell Christopher correctly.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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buckeyetjn80's picture

First big test will be ND as well...should be interesting to see how coach purple attacks him.

Love the game over any team fandom.

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MuraliPatel's picture

Patterson reminds me of a poor man's Chris Rix. Or Brooks Bollinger.

"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."

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McGrind's picture

or a slightly more sane tate forcier..

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Calgarybuck's picture

Wow, haven’t heard the name Chris Rix in ages...

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

After reading the entire article....the RPO's don't require great pass or run blocking......as each decision happens in an instant. He's NOT taking 7 step drops. For the O-line it is just a matter of "getting in the way" of the defensive front seven and you give the handoff to a quick back or pass the ball to a quick receiver in 2-3 seconds. That offense completely negates great pass rushing defenses and over pursuing and aggressive blitzing schemes. Its freezes the speed of the defense. Or if not freezing it..it can take advantage of it.

If Michigan alters their offense to this kids skills...they will be the best they have have been in years.

We will still beat them

Knowledge is Power

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analyticalguy's picture

Worry? No. Prepare for (if I were the Buckeye defense)? Yes. He's a good quarterback.

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Moo Strength's picture

Doesn't matter how good the QB is, if he has an offensive line as bad as he had at Ole Miss (scUM isn't much better), he's going to be running for his life against the meat of the Big10 East . 

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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countrybuckeye's picture

and, looking at the schedule that favors our Buckeyes as his last game, he may not make it to The Game healthy

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BuckNutChicago's picture

FILM STUDY: DOES OHIO STATE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ANN ARBOR'S NEWEST RESIDENT, FORMER OLE MISS QUARTERBACK SHEA PATTERSON?

This is a really nice breakdown, as usual.  But to answer the question, No, Ohio State doesn't need to worry about the new QB, especially in May.  Yes, we need to prepare for the TTUN in advance of the game but I am not sure who will be the QB in November.

Go Buckeyes!!!

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IH8UOFM's picture

I personally don't trust QB's with numbers higher than 19....

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bucknut1994's picture

Exactly why Richard Lagow was hot garbage. 

#94Ways

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osudray's picture

was going to say the same exact thing. i couldn't take Peyton Manning seriously if he wore #20

Keep Calm and Buckeye On

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piddylolo's picture

Bernie Kosar from Da U disagrees

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G_off's picture

Jabril Peppers 2.0

"You can not use logic" -Gary Danielson of CBSec

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niblick's picture

He's easily the most talented passer they've had in a LOOOOOONG time, despite being mistake prone at times.  Fortunately for us, the talent gap between us right now is far more than just 1 position.  He's an improvement for sure, but that game is 3rd toughest one our schedule this year, at most.

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awlinBrutus's picture

What? Come on we all know that harbaugh is 0-3 versus Urban only because of the QB's they had the last few years. I have a feeling SCum nation will be heartbroken once again after September, lol

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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ToledoMan's picture

17 TDs and 9 Picks.  Led his team to a 6-6 record.  I wouldn't worry about him.  He is at Hype U, so we will hear about it.

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youra6's picture

SCUM cant recruit QBs so they have to merc em from other schools. Are they the new Wisconsin?

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Besides Russell Wilson, name one starting QB for Wisky that was a transfer.  TTUN already has 3 under Harbaugh alone (assuming patterson starts).

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youra6's picture

Danny O'Brien from Maryland. I went to UW-Madison for my undergrad and O'Brien played the year after Russel left. However, its no secret that UW also cannot recruit QBs. I guarantee that had Hornibrook graduated last year, they would be looking for grad transfers to take his place. 

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ItsMichiganFerGodSakes's picture

I’ve always this argument was dumb. Harbaugh took Jake and O’Korn the same year he came in. He had no control on previous qbs.  He started Jake when he beat out Shane Morris. Speight starts next and O’Korn may never have even seen a start if it wasn’t for an injury. Fast forward to this offseason where Michigan is in a better place QB depth but clearly nobody taking the lead. Yes, Harbaugh said he will accept a former 5* QB. Which coach isn’t when they don’t have a clear starter and someone who could help their team?  I would be more disappointed in having a coach who wasn’t looking for the best players that can help their team win.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I think JH's decisions are justifiable.  What bothers some like me is the hyperbole, calling him the QB whisperer.  Yes, Andrew Luck, and maybe he got a little more out of Kaepernick than his successor, but this is now JH's fourth year, and with freshman starting in some instances, he is no QB whisperer. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Lighteyes's picture

Good article and analysis. Based on the past two years, I'm worried - yeah there'll be adjustments and yes, Patterson showed some flaws, but he's still way more talented than what they've had the past couple years. 

After all, in 2016, Michigan was literally one inch from beating Ohio State and winning the B1G East* despite having a very average QB. And then in 2017, Michigan's QB missed so many easy throws that people were making point-shaving jokes, but they still were up 14-0 in the second quarter and could easily have been up another 7-10 points with even a B1G-average QB. 

I think the 2018 team is going to be better overall than either the 2016 or 2017 teams, both of which had some notable flaws, so I won't be surprised if Ohio State ends up winning in November...but I can't see how you wouldn't be at least a little nervous.

*Yes, JT got that first down; even mgoblog admits it. But if the ref had (incorrectly) spotted the ball just short, there's no way it would have been overturned by replay.

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I am Kirok's picture

I hate to say this but those games the last two years were a lot closer than they should have been because we were also limited by our QB.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You don't hate saying it at all.  Plenty of JT haters out there willing to bag on him, even after he is gone.  I bet a bunch of schools would love to be so limited by a guy that is your all time leader in wins and a guy who holds many of your school records. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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I am Kirok's picture

None of those schools are OSU. 

I expect the QB to shine the most when the lights are brightest. Call me a "hater" like a twelve year old if you must but that is what is expected. 

Sure he threw for a ton of yards against the mediocre but in three years of starting he rose up only a couple of times against good/great defenses. 

MSU 2014

PSU 2017 

As to the age old defense of "look at his records" I say was that a product of the talent/scheme around him or his talent? The NFL draft certainly provides evidence for what they think it was.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

A few things on Patterson:

-Against teams with a decent defense he was terrible. 

-The real reason he transferred was because he was not going to be starter at Ole Miss. He got Wally Pipp'd

-The hype on this guy shows just how desperate Michigan really is at QB. He is not what he is being billed as

-Thought Brandon Peters was the next great QB at UM

-Goes to show Harbaugh struggles recruiting and developing QBS

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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analyticalguy's picture

He lucked into Luck. That's pretty much it.

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FatChaddie's picture

Exactly, and now he expects all his qb's to perform like Luck did. Good luck with that.

"The magic word's rock n' roll, Man!"

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huffdaddy's picture

All of the above is true. And it's also true that Patterson is significantly better than anyone they have had the last 5 years thus giving them a better shot against us and Sparty.  

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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analyticalguy's picture

The Buckeyes had better be prepared when TTUN comes calling in November.

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McGrind's picture

Peters was harbaugh’s guy. Same class...thinking Peters not to happy if he gets benched.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Evansvillebuckeye's picture

Just get the feeling he won't still be standing by November...

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Great write up, anxious to see how they utilize his talents and whether they will really adjust their offense. Too early to worry but if their offense improves (looking at you Coach Warinner) and their defense isn't forced to carry the team again, they could be a dangerous group in AA. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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Dstacify's picture

Is he an improvement over what scUM had last year? Most likely, yes (not saying much though). Is he inferior to Haskins? IMO, in every way lol at least in terms of mechanics and upside. The scUM game would've been over by halftime most likely last season if Simba had played the entire game. Plus Woodson has spent this entire off-season giving UM bulletin board material to feed to his team for that game with his victory guarantees. I think TTUN is due to get kicked in the teeth again.in this matchup. Plus Patterson seems like the type of QB who would flounder against good defensive fronts and in case people have forgotten our defensive front is pretty good. He certainly shouldn't be taken lightly by any means but I'm not shaking in my boots about having to face him (especially in the Shoe). He's a good QB, yes. Elite, not so much.

11 Strong.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

If it is really Harbaugh's offense...then Patterson is going to have to fit into that 2, 3 TE, fullback style of offense. I do not see Harbaugh changing things. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

My thoughts exactly.  Jimmy is not going to install the option read in one year and be able to beat very many teams doing it.  Most of Patterson's offenses were NOT the typical NFL scheme.

He's a very good QB and he will have success, but our Defense will be a big obstacle for him and the scum offense to overcome.

Way too early prediction: Ohio State 45 TTUN 24

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

If I were Nick Bosa, I'd be worried about getting his blood on my hands.

Patterson may be better than the QBs they've had as of late, but the gap of talent between us and them at other spots is insanely obvious.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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blu.fan's picture

Worry? No. Until Michigan actually, you know, wins, TOSU doesn't need to worry.

Tbh, it is all about the OL. Imhe, the biggest newcomer isn't Patterson. It is Warinner. Insiders say there are at least 3 solid linemen. But who will play at tackle? Will they be able to do pass protection? Despite a few good guys here and there, the OL has been the achilles heel for Michigan ever since Carr left. Rich Rod ruined the OL, Hoke couldn't recruit, and it still isn't there. If the OL hasn't improved significantly, Patterson won't make a difference.

Michigan and Jim Harbaugh really got hit in the mouth last year. Let's see how they respond this year.

My take:  this is a make or break year. I think Harbaugh and the team are about as motivated as possible. If the OL gels, they are going to be a lot better than people anticipate. But at least right now, I don't see how they beat a talented team in Columbus. If they can win every single game except TOSU, and also win a bowl, it will position them a lot better for 2019 and beyond.

EDIT:  Don't ya know, Michigan has become a basketball school. Smh. In that arena, I don't think TOSU is catching up to UM for a while.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

With that schedule, I expect at least 2 losses before they get to Columbus. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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blu.fan's picture

You might be right. If Michigan goes 9 - 3 or better yet 10 - 2 through the regular season, it'd be good. This year I think they beat MSU. I think ND is overrated. With Wisconsin or PSU, or a trap game, they will lose another game before TOSU. But I can't comfortably predict anything until I see the OL and how Patterson actually does.

Will make two comments.

  1. Michigan did not stink up the field against OSU the last two years. I'm not quibbling about the placement 2 years ago. Or making excuses. Michigan lost. But their defense didn't lose the game: it was their lack of a functioning OL (and last year, a functioning 3rd string QB. Smh.)
  2. This has been a sad time to be a Michigan fan. I'm old enough to remember when things were different. I don't know what the future holds, but I will say that I have been humbled.
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mr.green's picture

i too am old enough. And despite the losses,I refused to ever be humbled.The hate for EVERYTHING you and your team stands for runs deep .You will beat a stacked Sparty, and ND is overrated? Sure. Keep those thoughts. 

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Hi Blu,

I disagree on Ohio State not worrying about TTUN.  I remember a looong time ago in our high school training room, we had a sign that said: The first sign of failure is being satisfied with your effort.  I don't EVER think Coach Meyer or Mick will let this happen - actually ALL the OSU coaches.  They all realize this is our "hated rivals" and this is the game they live for and prepare for one day every week throughout the football season.

No matter how much better OSU may be on paper, they will prepare hard and worry about The Game.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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BuckeyeSki's picture

The way TTUN's O-Line blocks, I'm more worried that Patterson may have forgot to fill out his In Case of Emergency paperwork

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I see issues at OL, few playmakers on the outside, and a QB who isn’t a good fit for the system he will be asked to run.  They needed a new savior since Khaki Jesus hadn’t been the man, but me, I will take a wait and see.  As many on here know, I don’t go all in on hype. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

They have DPJ and Black on the outside. That’s a damn good start.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

DPJ has to take a major step forward this year, was very inconsistent last year (though he played better down the stretch).  He is capable, don't get me wrong, but he needs to prove it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Silver Sniper's picture

As many on here know, I don’t go all in on hype. 

I know that's not true based on your takes in favor of Joey Burrow alone.

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I am Kirok's picture

Too True Silver Sniper.

I actually thought  Fear_The_Nut was Joey Burrow's dad based upon his over-the-top defense of any perceived slight. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Yes! He had a lot of passion for Joey over Dwayne. I like them both, never understood the vitriol from others as well for one against the other.

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I am Kirok's picture

I was cool with either, I felt Haskins has the higher ceiling but I still think Burrow could've led this team to a NC, same as Haskins.

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Sanantonefan's picture

wait for the receiver to gain separation from his opponent.

This will be a problem.

the quarterback showed to be very uncomfortable against an incoming pass rush

Uh-oh.......

Not really worried. Unless their O-line comes a LOOOOONG way, our D-line will make him VERY uncomfortable.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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ItsMichiganFerGodSakes's picture

D-line has the potential to make both teams very uncomfortable. Just like we’ve seen the last 2 seasons, OSU has racked up 7 and Michigan 11 sacks in this game.  We may be seeing the most talented years yet on both lines. 

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yoderd1121's picture

Cannot wait for The Rushmen to eat this dude up.

Ohio Against the World

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tampatom's picture

Shea Patterson like Joe Burrow while upgrades cannot make team better if the talent is not there to compete across the board, talent level difference between OSU and Michigan is significant so one player will not change that, also it is tough fitting in on new team if some of the players still support their team mates they have been with for 1-2 years; that is why most graduate transfers are not successful

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Trapper99's picture

Am I worried about Shea Patty?

No....cause it's Monday and Michigan still sucks!!!!

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DCDDC's picture

I bet Nick and Chase are already drooling about this match up.

m GO BLOW!!!

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buckeyenut74's picture

We, fans, don’t have to worry. Ohio State will be prepared. It is The Game, Ohio State won’t take it for granted.  

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm glad Jake Butt is out of there, but Patterson will still have talented targets (I think DPJ could break out this season).

If their line and running game is serviceable, I'm not overlooking this kid.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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Kyle Jones's picture

Agree on not having the threat of Butt there. Between DPJ and Tariq Black, though, he should still have plenty of talent at WR. The real questions for me are:

  1. Can Michigan ever create a consistent running game against good teams? They averaged just 2.36 ypc against ranked teams last fall. Warinner should help, but they still lack any kind of difference-maker at RB to set up the PA pass where Patterson should be able to shine with the deep ball.
  2. If a running game doesn't emerge, how long will it take for Patterson to develop rhythm and timing with his new receivers in the quick, 3-step passing game as well as master the route concepts in the traditional drop-back game? Both of those skills will require him to operate far differently than he did in the Ole Miss system, and there are bound to be some hiccups.
Hovenaut's picture

More than fair points, KJ.

They have a ton of work to do, but there's potential.

Keeping a close eye on them, as usual.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

This ^^^^. The real issue has been the lack of any run game. Without that, Harbaugh’s offense will never be consistent enough.

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Buctor's picture

Hopefully folks will keep the typical ickigan hype going for this qb.  Need to have the OSU DL primed to make them rue the day!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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martin anderson's picture

If Ed Warriner is able to work his magic at UM as well as he did here then UM's Oline won't be the liability that people are predicting. Don't forget 11-4-2017

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andretolstoy's picture

This year may be their best year to upset. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

The good guys. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Davep160's picture

I assume that Patterson's success will be just like any other QB,  if he has a decent Offensive Line...he will more than likely succeed, if the line resembles a revolving door, or a Matador...then Patterson will not succeed.

The lord of brevity.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I suspect the only thing we have to worry about is how good Ed Warinner makes TTUN's OL. If they dont improve it wont matter who their signal caller is because he wont even be on the field when The Game comes around. He will have been knocked out before Halloween.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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ZeroDimension's picture

Has michigan outplayed OSU the last two years based on the talent of both teams?  Without my rose colored glasses on ... I say yes... But I don't care if we beat michigan by a 1/2 pt... each win is sweet. 

I think Patterson+ Wr dev+Warriner makes UM better on offense this year....  

Unfortunately for Michigan, which really makes me happy... Our d line is something like I have never seen at OSU and may never again...  Warriner has his work cut out... I am anti hype.. but these guys are scary great... they aren't just stat machines.. they are solid all the way around.. Enjoy this year... it won't happen like this again.... dont bring up recruiting to me... that is only part of it.. we have 2 guys that are once in a decade players with High Motors(never take a play off) and Highly Developed Football Brains...  You better pray the LB's dont step up this year if you are an OC... because that D-line will have to be schemed around no matter who you are... 

One Shoe

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andretolstoy's picture

For the record. I up voted this. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Shea who?

Seriously, my response is NO!

GO BUCKEYES! 

15-1 is SWEET!

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Chrisjvaz's picture

This kid has all the tools to be Elite. All those throws O’korn missed in The Game last year, Shea P won’t. That Buckeye Defense better step it up. 

Chris V

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Posterchild's picture

O'Korn was a less effective QB than a quadriplegic hamster. If scUM had exhumed Schembechler's body and propped him up like Bernie, they would have probably beat us last year. I don't believe we are as far ahead of TTUN as most would like to think, despite what the recruiting ranks tell us otherwise. 

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Chrisjvaz's picture

What lol?........anyway yeah I don’t believe they’re either. People fall to far into the hype. They could be with how leathal that offense has the potential to be. Let’s see if these coaches can get it right this year, once again. 

Chris V

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Posterchild's picture

I agreed with you 100%. O'Korn was terrible.

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Chrisjvaz's picture

Yeah man, it’s one of those things where it’s right there for grabs but are they puttin in the work to grab it as a collective whole, you know. We’re on the outside looking in. We shall see. 

Chris V

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Chewbucca's picture

Other recent sure-fire hits: Dylan McCaffery, Shane Morris, Zach Gentry, Alex Malzone, Brandon Peters.  All were highly rated and all of them made, or are making, no impact.

going back a few more years we have more heavily hyped under achievers: Gardner, Forcier, Mallet.  Robinson was okay as a tailback.  He had no passing game at all.

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JarheadBuck's picture

Shea Patterson is nothing to really worry about.  Yes, he's likely better than anything they've put behind center since old Arm-punt (due to his legs), but that's not their big issue.  Even if the NCAA declares Brady eligible, their problem is that it's a bitch to complete passes with a couple 300 lbers hanging on you or off your back.

The thing we need to worry about is how much better Warinner can make their OL in one offseason and 11 games.  Even a middle-of-the-pack QB can be deadly if he has time to wait on someone to get open.

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buckeyearchie76's picture

I think Patterson is a definite improvement.  And let's PRETEND that Michigan will have an improved offensive line.  But, really has he ever played against a defensive line that OSU will throw at him?  I very much doubt it.  GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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Posterchild's picture

Last I checked Alabama plays in the SEC and sports a decent defensive line.

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BuckIDave's picture

Patterson is definitely an upgrade at the QB position for the Wolverines, but the Big Ten East Division will probably prove just as tough to him as did the SEC West. If there is some typical B10 weather come the second half of the season, that could present some difficult challenges also.

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martin anderson's picture

He's from Toledo, Ohio so I think he's played in cold weather and seen snow before. Why does everyone think that northern schools play in brutal weather? For the most part, the last game of the regular season is around Nov 23th, 24th, 25th of November. I've never seen a foot of snow or 15 degree weather on a Saturday afternoon in mid to late November

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analyticalguy's picture

The north vs south weather factor is overblown. I have a cousin who was born and grew up in Florida, and then spent two years as a back-up QB for Saban @Bama before transferring to the Toledo. I watched him play quite well on a raw day at the Glass Bowl. I was cold and miserable; he was fine.

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vball10set's picture

He left Toledo in 6th grade, so no, he really hasn't...and for the record, I'm not worried at all...Urban F Meyer.

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Trebor40's picture

Though I up voted this, I will state the following; North vs South does make a difference yet not in the extremes far to many like to describe. Teams from warm weather climates have a harder time when it is 30-40 degrees and 10 mile per hour wind, not because the weather is unbearable yet precisely because it is not! I have watched D2 Northern Teams beat soundly teams late year that where competitive early. By the way it is important to state teams not a few individuals, we do not think of the weather I just described as horrible yet MANY athletes from the D2 and D3 TEAMS I have watched and coached against do! EVERYBODY hates 0 degrees and windy thus the game evens out as you opined, it is the "milder" weather, for us continuously in the north that creates the mismatch! 

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Thanks for a great analysis. I always worry about Michigan. Way too many complacent people on here who have gotten incredibly spoiled with the success we have had over the last decade.  My only thought of comfort is that Harbaugh has now demonstrated that he really can't develop QB's. , so we'll see what he does With Patterson.  

Harbaugh and company HAS to produce this year. If Patterson doesn't seriously upgrade the team, then as long as Harbaugh is there, U/M will not be able to recruit elite QB's. Who wants to spend a couple years on the bench, working to move into the starting position when you know every year, Harbaugh is gong to import some grad transfer to be the yearly savior over your head? 

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CowCat's picture

Looking at all the film clips ...

Patterson looks great when he has all day to throw. Most of the highlight clips are against Cal, which is not known for its fearsome pass rush.

When Patterson faces any sort of pressure, he seems to panic instead of setting his feet and stepping into the throw.

I sense a feasting day for the Rushmen.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Steelydan54's picture

This is a good thing to mull over for a few minutes in May. Let's see where things are in late October before we too serious about Shae-bae-bae. 

Steelybuck54

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Hockey Buck's picture

Always need to worry about SCum until we beat them. After that, no worrying for the next 364 days.

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funky123's picture

I don't worry about anything that has to do with scUM.

GO BUCKS!!!

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rkylet83's picture

as the quarterback showed to be very uncomfortable against an incoming pass rush

This fact could be the major difference for us.  This guy is a very good QB and has all of the tools.  Unless Warriner performs a miracle even greater than his Walrus unit resurrection our defensive line should feast.  

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lew-e's picture

People are so hyped about this QB but look what the Buckeyes D did against USC last year... I don’t see it being any different. 

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lamplighter's picture

It's always best to worry about those people - next year especially.

1969 was not really that long ago.  Same with 1996

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Yoda888's picture

1. The kid was #1 ranked in his position coming out of HS, so he can play;

2. the points made about TTUN having DPJ and Black;

3. they do habe 6 months and 12 games to prepare;

4. we do need to be cognizant that we also have a brand new QB;

5. it's The Game, so everyones motivated and anything can happen.

GO BUCKS.

Yoda888

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vball10set's picture

This is not meant to scare Ohio State fans 

lol---I stopped reading when I got to this...when did anything ttun does "scare" Ohio State fans? 

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RedSeven's picture

SHOULD I worry about Patterson? No. But WILL I worry about Patterson? ... also no.

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CowCat's picture

Teams change every year. Sure, getting Patterson is an upgrade for TTUN, but it's not like TOSU is going to sit still and let TTUN pass them in player acquisition and development.

It's  The Game. We will be prepared for whomever TTUN trots out. It's nothing to be worried about, nothing to be cocky about. Just be prepared.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

How about we just unload the Rushman package on every play in their first drive and let Nick and team pound him into the ground.. that should just about put an end to the story, eh!

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

By the time we play him, we'll have a ton of film on him against B1G defenses. Harbaugh's biggest challenge is how to settle him in a pocket, especially as it collapses. If he just consistently peels out to either flat, Michigan's offense will struggle (as Bama's did when Hurts did this repeatedly in last year's NCG). Having seen only a small amount of tape, I'm interested to see how he does.

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419Buck's picture

How he plays against ND will give us an idea of his big playmaking abilities. 

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I Like You Guys's picture

As a Michigan alum who watches Michigan football very closely, I think this is a good, balanced take. The parallel drawn to Rudock's development is plausible, though I'll note that Rudock came to Ann Arbor over the summer, and so missed the spring practices. 

I'd also add that Harbaugh and Hamilton have both stated that they will be changing a lot about the offense. Last year the team had more looks and blocking arrangements than the OL (which featured 3 new starters) could handle. Warriner has simplified things, and the word out of camp is very positive on that front. We also tried to be a zone-blocking team early in the year, and only switched to gap-blocking after the MSU debacle. We became a much better running team after that, though we lost a lot of time and reps to that poor experiment. What this all means is that Patterson will start the year with a more effective run game than Speight and O'Korn had early on last year--which, in turn, should give him more room to get comfortable in the offense than was afforded to Speight and O'Korn in 2017. We are also going to run out of shotgun more and run more RPOs, both of which play to Patterson's strengths. Harbaugh has confirmed this. 

As for Patterson himself, I don't think he's going to come in and win the Heisman, but I do think he'll be a major upgrade at the position. Brian Cook calls him "Tate Forcier but goes to class." I think of him as "John O'Korn but better." Better arm, better vision, better legs. In fact, I'd go so far as saying that if we had Patterson last year instead of O'Korn, but all else stayed the same, we probably would have gone 10-2. 

So, in short: not a savior, but a major upgrade at a position of extreme need. 

(I posted my long-form thoughts on Michigan in the College Sports forum section yesterday, if anyone is interested.)

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Trebor40's picture

I have two very different thoughts, one I am confident that your team will be better than prior thanks to an elite QB at the helm and a very good offensive line coach. I believe your schedule is more difficult than it has been over the past two years, yet turmoil at Notre Dame is so consistent that I feel you will be fairly even and that could lead to a tremendous confidence boost heading into the hard slog. 

Two - I believe that the match up between our CB's and your WR's will be terrific, I feel strongly that our new/old CB coach is excellent yet I am confident that your WR's with the entire season to gel will be a very difficult match up. I also think your line will improve noticeably over the course of the year and will at least put up a true fight against what is arguably the second or third best D-Line in the country. In addition I believe your backs and TE will be equal to our LB's honestly because I do not think our LB coach is going to raise the level of our LB play even though there are several NFL picks amongst them. In total I think you have a new and dangerous offense to bring to The Game, I sadly believe you will score on us, likely to the tune of high 20's perhaps to the mid to high 30's. YET I am also certain that what Michigan has faced from tOSU offense over the past years is not what they will face come November, and that might force your offense to take chances that they should not! 

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I Like You Guys's picture

Right now I expect you guys to win. Obviously we'll know a lot more by August, or better yet, by October. But I really need to see how our OTs play before determining how we'll do against the team with the best DL on our schedule.

But...if Patterson is as advertised, stays healthy, and the WRs take a big leap forward, we could have some tools to mitigate a determined pass rush. That remains to be seen.  

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

He seems like an improvement but a good part of a bad group is still bad. Coaching will limit his attempts and will hold him back.

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

I believe the REAL question is this.....should Shea Patterson be worried about The Predator and Nick Bosa. I say yes...yes he should....

Gotta love it.

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