THE Talk, When Does It Happen? [joe Burrow Thread]

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Mantis's picture

Clickbait title AND a topic that is addressed in multiple other areas?  Oh no...

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Dweinz's picture

we got the talk in 4th and 5th grade, when the health teacher came to our classroom to tell us about our bodies and how they will change

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KevinJ's picture

I think we got the talk in Jr High. 

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Earle's picture

Dweinz was a bit precocious.

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Dweinz's picture

my health teacher also told me that in 2018 Joe Burrow will likely have to transfer. not sure how he knew all of that stuff though

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DibbleDabble's picture

He was wise far beyond his years..  this is Simba's team to lead.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Skunk bear blood's picture

^^^^^^^^^

"Because it worked," Ryan Day says, laughing.

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sword52's picture

Disappointed this happened this way. I thought Burrow would do well for the Buckeyes. he was so darn accurate.

I hope he does not go to a team the Buckeyes have to play. Also that leaves Ohio State in bad situation if injuries happen.

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TTUN@SS@SIN's picture

Are you trying to tell me that we don't just buy baby seeds, at the baby store?

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain

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D-Day0043's picture

Babies come from Baby Corp. They explain it all in Boss Baby.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Buckabroad's picture

I attended a nun-dominated Catholic school over the course of my formative years, so I still don't know exactly where babies come from. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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Dweinz's picture

if you have any questions, just ask Urban. He'll be giving the talk to Joe soon, so it'd be like killing two birds with one stone for him

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Earle's picture

Just don't listen to the 4-6 seconds part.  Your partner will thank you for it.

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Buckabroad's picture

No worries, I learned the hard way not to follow "Meyer's law" exactly. Never, never tell your girlfriend to try harder because you "don't want to be around average". 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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BoohBah Buckeye's picture

Dang my wife gives me the talk every day.

 

 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

"You see, when a quarterback finds a wide receiver he connects with very well, a beautiful thing happens. Sometimes quarterbacks find they work better with a tight end, like Brady and Gronk, and that's okay too."

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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TurboNut's picture

I saw a photo of Jim McElwain with a shark showing the ichigan quarterbacks how to connect with their wide receivers.

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Dweinz's picture
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toad1204's picture

The offseason is the longest season.

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Earle's picture

Urban is waiting to have The Talk with Tate until after his growth spurt.

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milhouse4588's picture

Just because we haven't heard something doesn't mean there hasn't been a talk of sorts. And you're also assuming Haskins won the job outright and not Burrow.

Haskins looked great last year against a bad Michigan team. Burrow hasn't played against a starting defense yet but when he has played the offense has looked as good, if not more fluid, than before he went in.

It's still a close contest in my book.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Numbers's picture

I see Michigan get referenced to as a bad team as a way to seemingly discredit (a little bit) Haskins' performance against them last year.

While Michigan's record was pedestrian...that defense was not.

t-#1 in TFLs/game
#1 in 3rd down defense
#3 in total defense
#4 in pass efficiency defense
#5 in defensive yards per play
t-#7 in sacks/game
#13 in scoring defense

and in the game itself the offense put up 209 of its 350 total yards and 17 of its 31 points in the roughly 2/5 of a game Haskins was in at QB.

While I agree the Michigan game isn't the end all, be all of the discussion. And I believe both Burrow and Haskins are worthy of the starting job and OSU will be doing great with either. But what happened that afternoon after JT went out should not just be shoved aside and dismissed as 'looking great against a bad Michigan team.' that was a horrid Michigan offense but that Michigan defense was legit.

 

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Not_Sure's picture

His user name is Numbers. I thought it was at least slightly humorous.

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Earle's picture

I'm not sure it was.

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Not_Sure's picture

You sound just like my wife and kids when I make dad jokes.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Without a doubt, Haskins played great and deserves credit for bailing Ohio State's ass out but in fairness, there's no way of knowing how well or poorly Burrow would've played had he been given the chance. A lot of people seem to be handing Haskins the job based solely on that performance, which, to me, is kinda like saying that when it comes to ranking the world powers, the US falls in line behind Viet Nam--you need to look at a much bigger sample size before making those kinds of declarations. I'm not trying to bash Haskins but if you look at his larger body of work, he threw a pick 6 against UNLV and fumbled against Illinois, which was also returned for a touchdown.

Bottom line, I want what's best for Ohio State. That's it. But what really bothers is me is how some fans seem to be rooting against Burrow almost as much as they're rooting for Haskins (and vice versa). How can what any of us want for an individual player take priority over what's best for the team? 

P.S. This is a really, really stupid thread and I feel dirty for having participated in it.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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milhouse4588's picture

It was a bit forward of me to suggest Michigan's defense was bad last year, I'll admit that.

Haskins played well when he came in. But he also played the game manager role and outside of one pass and one run, was fairly pedestrian (5/6 for <80 yards, and 2 rushes for for 2 total yards with 0 touchdowns). The stat line doesn't look as good as he played and especially as a freshman coming in unexpectedly in a rivalry game to help keep us in the lead to win the game. However, those stats don't scream "earned it!" to me when there's nothing to compare it to in regards to Burrow. We were fortunate to have a solid running game and were in no danger of Michigan scoring a lot of points on us with the aforementioned awful offense. If the game had been against PSU or another team that can put up points, would a more aggressive play-calling have resulted in a similar performance?

I'll also admit that I do believe Haskins has the higher ceiling. But he's still young and makes young mistakes. Joe Burrow has proven in his limited playing time that he doesn't make those same mistakes, and other than throwing the ball 70 yards, can do everything Haskins can.

Yes, I'm a fan of Burrow and think he's a better fit RIGHT NOW. But if Haskins outright earns the job, I'm all in on Haskins.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Numbers's picture

So you'll parse, nitpick and question Haskins vs michigan. While saying Burrow has proven something in his 39 throws at the college level.

Yeah...you didn't need to mention you're a Burrow fan lol.

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brutusbro's picture

Buuuuut how did Haskins look before the ichigan game. Although I appreciate what he did that game, before that he was avg at best. I'll admit I've been a burrow fan since he was in high school, but more importantly I trust UFM!!!

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Numbers's picture

Before michigan he was 34/50 for 459 yds 4 TDs, 1 INT.

Burrow for his career is 29/39 for 287 yds 2 TDs, 0 INTs.

Both raw stat lines are similar.

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buckz4evr's picture

I get so sick of people thinking Haskins is our Savior based off basically one game. I remember Guiton and others coming in for a game here and there and playing great. That doesn't necessarily make them the heir apparent. Once teams get film on a quarterback they will approach the game in a completely different way. This is basic understanding of how football is played. Yes Haskins looked good but they was zero preparation for being under center. Can we please stop this narrative that he deserves serious consideration based on this one game? 

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tkrussell's picture

1 game is more than 0 games. 

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Numbers's picture

Not sure if this was directed at me or what...but I think OSU has 2 saviors...Haskins and Burrow. The bias from those entrenched in one camp or the other is annoying. Looking at all the available evidence OSU is more than fine (and IMO better) with either guy.

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Extramedium's picture

It’s not off of basically one game, it’s off of how he throws the ball in general in all his appearances. He has an NFL arm and makes amazing throws.  Coupled with our receivers, he will be very difficult to stop, even when defenses have the chance to prepare for it.  Basic understanding of how football is played should make it clear that comparing him to Guitton is ridiculous.

All that said, I still think Burrow is a great QB and could start at any school in the country.  He moves the offense very well.  If Meyer makes him the starter, we will win a lot of games.  I just think Haskins has a bigger upside based on watching them play.  

The fact that he came in to the game vs our biggest rival on the road, from behind, and lead us to a win the way he did is just icing on the cake.

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Blackcoffee's picture

Bassa! He stepped in in the Big House in front of 110000 desparate fans smelling blood and delivered. End of story brother!

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brutusbro's picture

Downvotes for absolutely no reason. +1

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Hovenaut's picture

I feel like I'm sitting next to Whoopi Goldberg.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

...and Joy Behar. This is exhausting, and yet I still read out of morbid curiosity for the ending.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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GoBucks10's picture

JK Dobbins for QB.

There's no points for second place, gentlemen.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Does that mean Martell will be the starting RB.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Lagow prolly should've transferred, as well 

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tkrussell's picture

I believe Joe Burrow graduates this Sunday, so hopefully we'll hear something shortly after that. 

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Trapper99's picture

My hunch is THE Talk has happened, and JB is in process of lining up a Xfer. All the news will come at once.

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D-Day0043's picture

Or maybe the talk has happened and Burrow is the starter, hence no transfer news.

urban didn’t announce who was the starter between J.T. and Cardale until a few minutes before kickoff in the Virginia Tech opener. He probably won’t announce who is the starter between Joe and Dwayne until right before the start of the Oregon State opener.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Moneymike's picture

ive seen multiple people say they are hearing haskins has the edge. so most likely they are keeping it quiet right now so he isn't harassed while he goes through the transfer process. Nothing will come out until he transfers or it leaks that he talked to a head coach or visited another school.

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tkrussell's picture

I heard the same thing on the BM5 podcast. Idk why this is receiving downvotes.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I think that a lot of people want to be right, pundits included.  Info is tightly controlled coming from the WHAC, including Saunders recently announced scholarship.  There was a published report of Booker xferring only for it to be “retracted”.  I’ve heard of a player’s injury, that has not yet been reported.  Sometimes BM5 knows things and sometimes they don’t know what they think they do.

As for as Burrow, hell the kid worked hard and got his degree in three years no less.  I imagine his focus is on enjoying the public fruits of his labor, Graduation!

Personally I’m not ruling him out as the starter!

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tkrussell's picture

But why downvote a member for sharing information gathered from other sources? Isn't that the point of the forum? He wasn't being malicious or saying anything inflammatory. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Agreed.  I wasn’t speaking to the up or down voting.

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D-Day0043's picture

We’ve got a lot of folks that don’t understand what the downvote is for. They are for eliminating trolls and people who are attacking posters, not for disagreeing with a differing opinion.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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stuckupnorth's picture

It’s because there are people who want Joe to win the job. They will accept no other possible outcome. If you do not think he wins the job you will get down voted. They will say well urban said it was too close to call. They will say people are starting rumors and they aren’t informed. They will say the average person is not privy to info. They will say they are sick of the rumors and people acting like they know when they don’t. They are  the same camp who refused to acknowledge that J.T. was not effective asa QB at generating offense. They will point to BiG 10 records. While failing to accept those numbers are highly skewed by playing inferior teams, and jet sweeps as passing TD. They will not acknowledge the lack of production in big games, or national media saying a change needs made, or recruits saying the same, or looking at numbers that all of Urbans QB have put up and relive there was nothing special there just a lot of games played. It’s people refusing to accept film as a basis for debate. It’s people  basing their opinions on who they like  instead of who is more talented. These people after PSU game thought J.T. was a day one pick, or that Weber is a better back and will get drafted higher than Dobbins. It’s just them being homers. That’s why they got downvote.

Truth of the matter is people who have any football sense realize it’s haskins job to lose. Unless injury or discipline prevents it Haskins starts. 

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Go1Bucks's picture

Long winded ain't ya prognosticator...

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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stuckupnorth's picture

Yes. Did you reply to everyone else who was longwinded?No.I know you tired of guys like me ....... You did not have to read. It was not directed to you. It was to another poster. Way to be a tough guy and call me a prognosticator. In which you are doing the same while accusing me of doing it. By the looks of your other post you are just the guy I was talking about. You want JB to start so you will down vote anyone who doesn’t agree. You have proved my point. You are closed minded and can not be reasoned with. Sensible  points does not matter to you. You will rehash the same tired overplayed “stat” over and over but when presented with sound evidence of something different you refuse to accept it. The only response is “longwinded” you don’t have a valid argument so you resort to name calling and other childish uninformed ignorant responses. But how how bout we make friendly wager. JB starts I will leave forever. Haskins starts you leave forever. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Wait I know you are not even gonna lower yourself to reply to me. Replying is useless because I’m of lower intelligence and just don’t get it. There is no changing my mind so replying is a waste of time. I can’t be reasoned with. Post is too long and worth your time. It does no good to retort to people like me. You are not gonna humor me and feed the trolls. (Imaginary bell ringing) you will point one of them points out some or some other sorry excuse downvote me and giggle. Cant hold an adult conversation so resort to the ol downvote and some other infant tactic when you don’t have any valid points. Keep rehashing them to try and distract from the original topic. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

I ain’t looking so bad on physic ability now

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tkrussell's picture

I think you're on to something lol. I didnt even give a personal opinion and I got downvoted for saying what I heard on a usually reliable podcast. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

It’s ironic Stuckupnorth.  Substitute Haskins name in your first two or three statements and the same could be true.

Personally I believe we’ll be fine with either Haskins or Burrow.  I don’t believe Martell is close to being an effective passer right now, runner yes, passer no!

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stuckupnorth's picture

That is valid and I agree. People want their guy and will get on the other side. I am more than ok with people not agreeing with me. I feel like part of the draw of sports is the banter. What bothers me is when people will downvote(oh no) and then do the equivalent of attacking someone thought. When confronted they have no grounds to stand on. There opinions and beliefs are just that. Good banter can make a good tboard

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Ghbuck23's picture

This , and those that diminish a RS freshman coming into THE GAME and making big boy passes, he did not choke in that moment also want to turn around and point out a pick 6 from like 2 months ago & a fumble in the pouring rain , when the head coach knew that your non-running QB should probably not be carrying the ball in situations like that. 

Win Baby , Win

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Ghbuck23, I’d never diminish what Haskins did in the Michigan game.  However, I have snarkedly posted about it.

I think there’s a certain population segment that has tired of that performance (and the NFL hype) being paraded as what they feel should be the deciding factor in the QB decision.  You can’t prove a negative, we don’t know that Burrow could not have done the same.  However, a positive is just that.  We do know that Haskins did do it.  That’s part of history now!

Not that fan reaction matters in a coach’s decision.  I’m just interested and will be keenly watching the reactions of those who have picked sides.  My opinion is that the reaction will be more visceral by “fans” and pundits alike, if Haskins isn’t named starter, than vice versa

I’m not one that buys into coachspeak, Meyer’s or otherwise.  I believe how he handles this decision could possibly determine QB recruiting in the future.

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Extramedium's picture

They think if they downvote your opinion, it will change the fact that Haskins is our QB next season.

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D-Day0043's picture

I was simply playing the devils advocate with my comment.

The point is...we don’t know. No one knows except the staff and Joe Burrow. It’s all speculation, and it has been speculated to death. My suggestion is that we all be patient and wait to hear the answer. In the meantime everyone should stop arguing with each other about who they support. I am not singling you out by any means, Moneymike. My comment is meant for everyone that has been bickering in the community. 

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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brutusbro's picture

Either way, really if you look at it more closely, if burrow does win the job, we as fans will be calling for Haskins. If he doesn't and Haskins wins the job, he basically has a free pass, cause most likely burrow will transfer, and his back up will either be martell(who IMO is not ready YET) or true freshman Baldwin.

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BeatTTUN's picture

Can we please just have a season when all the QB Conspiracy theorists and “That’s not my QB starting so I’m going to hate on all the other QB’s” posters literally STFU 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Earle's picture

If you can't QB with the one you love, then love the one you're with.

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BeatTTUN's picture

Haskins, Burrow and Martell > Crosby, Stills and Nash 

no way Nash is making that needed 3rd and 18 completion with that rag arm 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Earle's picture

Does that make Baldwin Neil Young?

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

I guess that also means that whoever leaves first will be the best by far.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Not until the old laughing lady sings 

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BeatTTUN's picture

Baldwin = Neil Finn 

That one is for you ECO 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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lamplighter's picture

okay Stephen

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
 

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tkrussell's picture

I agree 100% whoever is named the starter should receive everyone's support, because at the end of the day they're all buckeyes and we should support our TEAM

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BeatTTUN's picture

Correct 

last time I checked whom ever is starting will be hold on here comes a major spoiler

An Ohio State Buckeye 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Haskins or Burrow? Or, Tate?

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Just wait until Cardale, JT, Burrow and Haskins all have boys within 3 years of each other, all commit to OSU to play QB and we do this all over again in 20ish years.

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lamplighter's picture

but what about Brax?

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

His kid will injure his shoulder his senior year of high school, come to OSU to be the GOAT at Nate Meyer's Percy Harvin Curtis Samuel DeMario McCall position and there will be 7 threads a week asking "Will he throw this week?!" 

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Cooper's picture

I remember we had the talk in 5th grade. All the boys gathered in the cafeteria and a doctor came to explain what happens to us, anatomy of certain things, etc. Good times had by all.

After the doctor is done with his spiel, a kid raises his hand and in a deadpan voice says: “what’s a (insert male body part)?” Everybody burst out laughing. Poor kid.

Point being, Burrow needs some answers soon.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Earle's picture

Glad to see that you eventually recovered from your embarrassment.

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Cooper's picture

That man actually is known today as Bruce Wayne.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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McBane's picture

The Chipotle Champion?

Just keep winning!

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Earle's picture

For a while, it was touch and go whether he would end up being known as Batman, or Penisboy.

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Cooper's picture

He went with Batman after he discovered a mask was much better for protecting his identity than a helmet.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Burrow doesn't know what a penis is?

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RubixTube's picture

#RealLifeWednesdays

Never before in the history of man have lives less lived been more chronicled. - Dennis Miller

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Cooper's picture

Close, he wanted to know what a weenie (arm) was. He heard J.T. had one.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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NHBuckeye's picture

When you're only 5'6" can you have anything but a weenie arm?   

Fields of Dreams

 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Is this about teenage pregnancy?

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Used to be all things related to the birds and the bees were learned in the proper place - of course I'm talking about "the gutter".

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TurboNut's picture

There hasn't been any press conferences of any sort from UFM since the spring game. I guess he's just busy putting together one of the greatest recruiting classes of all time.....

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bakerjon's picture

we should open a thread about that /s

Boy, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals! - Butch Cassidy

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NHBuckeye's picture

Urban prolly just had HR stop cutting Burrow a paycheck.  He fixed the glitch.  Now things will just work themselves out naturally.

Fields of Dreams

 

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Oh.a.Shoe's picture

Excuse me, you have my stapler.

"Ohio fullbacks should stay in Ohio and play at Ohio State." - Earle Bruce

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Bucknicks's picture

Won't hear anything until he has transferred. My top 10 places for him would be Florida, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, Baylor, Louisville, Oklahoma State, Texas, Cincinnati, or Toledo.

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allinosu's picture

Are those the same places you would go with if Haskins transfers instead. Just curious.

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DibbleDabble's picture

Man, you're really gonna be disappointed when Simba is officially named the starter aren't you?

Done deal.

#7 is driving this bus.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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allinosu's picture

No, not disappointed but I know that I'm not making that decision and not in the know until it happens. 

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DibbleDabble's picture

Nah.. you can't fool anyone, you're gonna be seriously butt-hurt it seems.

and that's too bad.. Dwayne is a fantastic QB and he will be the starter this fall.

Go Bucks!

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Skunk bear blood's picture

[mod edit for clickbait title]  [JOE BURROW THREAD]

"Because it worked," Ryan Day says, laughing.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

SKB, I love it and contributed by posting.  Think I’ll save the GIF.

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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BuckeyeSki's picture

THE Talk, When Does It Happen?

According to Google, The Talk airs on CBS around 6pm EST

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I still say Meyer approaches both QBs about this battle moving into the fall. It then all falls on Burrow to make a choice. Does he stay and try to win the job or does he transfer. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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OldColumbusTown's picture

Agreed.  All signs point to the QB battle being too close to call - if that is the case, why would Urban tell Joe he's #2 and basically push him to transfer?  No matter what has been said before, Urban is going to do what he can to keep both guys on the roster if he thinks both can and will help this team win next season.

In the end, if Joe isn't comfortable enough with his chances of earning the starting job, or just wants to take a chance elsewhere, that is up to him.

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tbirnbrich's picture

If Urban does that, I'll be pissed. Burrow deserves to know now if he will be the QB or not. What's best for the program is both are here in the fall, but Burrow needs to start somewhere in this coming season if he wants to have a career at all in the NFL. If I were in his position and Urban said, I can't commit to either so we'll continue in the fall. Im out and elsewhere. Not bashing Urban or the program, but Burrow needs to be told this spring if he will be starting in the fall. It is completely unfair to mess with his future by postponing that until he cannot transfer.

I will pound and pound you until you quit

- Woody Hayes

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Unless it really isn't settled...

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Extramedium's picture

It’s not messing with his future.  He can leave after he graduates regardless.  Messing with his future would be naming him the starter, then saying Haskins beat him out in fall camp.  

If Meyer honestly doesn’t know who’s going to be the QB yet, it’s insane to expect him to make a decision in the spring.  If he wants them to battle it out in fall camp, it will be up to Burrow if he wants to compete or transfer.   It’s perfectly reasonable assuming the staff hasn’t come to a decision.

I wouldn’t hold it against Burrow if he decides to go if Meyer can’t name him the starter.  It’s not like Meyer can keep him against his will.  It would be equally unfair to name Burrow the starter now if Haskins ends up out performing him in fall camp.  Then what?

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Steelydan54's picture

If it's too close to call, JBs prior statements lead toward him transferring as he wants to START somewhere for sure. Urban will have to declare him starter for JB to stay imho. That's why most see him leaving, not because they hate JB. I think nearly all of us think he's great and would be proud to have him QB our team. But if JB is the starter, it's gonna be very tough to convince a top rated pro-style QB to ever come here during the UFM era, even if DH sticks around, which he shouldn't since JB has 2 years of eligibility. 

Steelybuck54

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Extramedium's picture

The problem with naming a starter before fall practice (when competition is this close) is that it’s unfair if the other guy ends up passing the prematurely named starter in the fall.  

Logically it’s obvious the guy who won’t have to sit next season has to make up his own mind if he wants to stay and compete, or go start at another school.  

Its clear the competition is very close and it’s ridiculous to expect the coaching staff to commit to one or the other before one or the other earns the spot outright.  

I think Meyer might make an announcement naming Haskins the starter, but it will be because Burrow decided he doesn’t want to compete in fall camp and already told him he’s transferring.  

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Can we find out if he got a letter from Oregon State?

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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mathandler1's picture

I think the decision has already been made.when cj Saunders was put on scholarship knowing there wasnt one open means two others have already told coach they were leaving

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BrutusB's picture

 two others have already told coach they were leaving

Or vice versa (refer to the Burrell article for example)  

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Or maybe there’s been another injury and someone (else) will be medically disqualified.

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G.'s picture

Isle of Joe Burrow.

G.

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jpfbucks01's picture

Burrow technically doesn't graduate until Sunday, so I would expect an answer soon after that.

I don't see him waiting until fall just to have the job go to someone else.

He stated that he thought he had played about as well as he is currently capable this spring or something to that effect. 

I think if after 4 years on campus urban can't commit to him being the starter, then it is 100% in his best interest to move on.

I am not sure he goes to a Big 5 school though. At most he would still be competing for the starting spot and may just end up on the bench somewhere else as he would only have 2 months to impress the staff that he's the guy.

And a bad Big 5 school may mean he starts, but gets beat up and looks terrible as they have no line to protect him etc.

My guess is he goes to a FBS team but perhaps someone in the CUSA or roughly equivalent. 

I could see him going to Marshall, fairly close to home, Doc Holliday is a Urban protege amd also comes from the Rich Rod coaching tree, so he loves to be wide open, they need a QB and have a new OC. Their pass happy with no clear starter as their top QB is another grad xfer from FCS Wagner and coming off injury. 

He could potentially step right in and start there. he could get some exposure there too as they play S Carolina and NCST in back to back weeks in late September.

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Steelydan54's picture

I'm gonna catch DVs for this, but the current QB "controversy" would never have happened if JT had left after his 4th year. I love and respect him as a man and a class act, but his 5th year backed the entire QB pipeline up for next 3 years at least. JB would have started last year, maybe/maybe not gotten injured, Haskins would either be firmly in place for this year, or if JB stayed healthy and had a great year (=> than JB last year) he'd be ok with waiting one year now. Then it would be DH for '18 or 19 and TM competing with incoming recruits in '20.  Now, we are likely to lose one very good (better than JB) QB cuz he had "unfinished business".  It's done- get over it. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Why would he do that?  The greatest coach in NCAA wanted him back.  Why would he leave?  Because YOU wanted him to?  LOL.

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teddyballgame's picture

Ironically the "greatest coach in the NCAA" (Saban) proved that he would not ride or die with a QB like JT

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

In all fairness, Saban was in the unique position of having months to worry about tomorrow when he pulled the trigger. I'm not saying it changes anything, but I'm reserving judgment until the fall. 

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Numbers's picture

Meyer could have made the same move as Saban in the loss to Clemson in the playoff. down at the half but still in striking distance. offense not good. at all. Burrow sitting on the sideline. no two situations are exactly the same but they are similar.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Except that Urban Meyer has a higher winning percentage than Saban.  In my book, since its all about winning, that puts UM ATLEAST even with Saban.  And Urban doesn't refuse to travel outside of Ohio for non conference matchups.

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Numbers's picture

Urb would trade his winning percentage for Saban's rings in a nanosecond.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

It’s your opinion, you’re entitled to it.  Besides, opinions are like body orifices, we all got them and they all smell.

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d1010's picture

Hearty congrats to Joe Burrow on his graduation this weekend.  What a great accomplishment and it certainly gives you an idea of the character of this young man.  Whatever Urban decides, we hope you stay at OSU.  You are a true example of the term student-athlete.  Great things are ahead for you and the Buckeyes in the new few years.

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TurboNut's picture

Can't believe someone would give you DV's for that positive comment. What a bunch of douches!

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AZBuck LHC's picture

It seems unlikely to me that the Coaches don't have a "Starter" determined after Spring practice. I do believe the competition was close, but they have surely considered all of the data and statistics in addition to all of the intangibles that factor into the decision. A Coach like Urban has to have a gut feeling about who is best equipped to lead his team. Obviously, leadership is a factor, but also who compliments the supporting cast. Many of us would like to see a different offense that relies more on running backs and is more effective at "Stretching the field" with the vertical passing game, but Coach Meyer's comfort zone has always been in running his Quarterback. That is why Haskins being named Starter is far from a sure thing.

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Extramedium's picture

They do appear to be very close.  If we believe the reports, Meyer didn’t name a starter between JT and Cardale until game one of the season.  After that they went back and forth throughout the season.  there was not an obvious choice then either.

Burrow will have to decide if he wants to compete with Haskins in the fall, or transfer and probably easily start wherever he goes.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

The best thing for the program, and also perhaps the truth of where the competition is right now, is that there probably is not a clear cut starter. The Buckeyes open with Oregon State and Rutgers at home so Urban could try and sell the two QBs on the competition continuing through preseason and into the first two games leading into TCU.

As others have pointed out, I question whether that will be enough for Burrow to stay. He would be relying at best on a couple half game auditions, because I don't see Urban completely knocking Haskins out of the #1 QB discussion before games are played. Of course the flip side is can Burrow find a better situation than his current one? There will not be many power 5 programs where he would be guaranteed to waltz in as the starter in June. He knows the system inside and out at OSU, and he may not elsewhere depending on his transfer choice. If not then it may be a smaller school.

Staying at OSU and beating out Haskins for the job may be riskier but the reward is greater. Jumping to another school and having only 2-3 months to learn a new/different offense and win that job is not without risk either. So basically it's a tough call for Joe but if he had the opportunity to split the first couple games and win the job that way I'd consider it strongly if I were he. FWIW I love Burrow and Haskins and it'll be tough to see either guy lose the job and potentially leave. I'm not rooting for either one over the other.

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

It’s a great problem to have. Win/Win.

I don’t see it.

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Go1Bucks's picture

The talk will be simple and quick:

Meyer: Joe, your starting as you are our best chance at a title. Go take charge of your team.

Burrow: Thanks Coach.

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

If neither QB has asserted himself as the starter, why would the head coach obstensively force one out the door?  would that be in the best interest of the program?  Would that be in the best interest of the seniors and three and outs like Bosa?  

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Buckster's picture

Joe holds all the cards here.  If Urban says he is gonna wait to August camp competition for a QB starter to be named, then Joe can say that he is not waiting any longer and just leave now. That would hurt the QB depth in a big way if Joe leaves.  Urban needs to be up front with Joe and tell him where it stands.  If I were Urban, I would tell both Joe and Duane that both will play QB because both have earned the right.  I believe this QB tandem could work great.

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Blackcoffee's picture

Next years qb depth chart...

Haskins( if he doesn't declare
Martell
Grant Gunnell
Baldwin
...of course basing this on a discussion from Cleveland.com podcast . First World problems

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Kangarooman's picture

This upcoming year? Pretty sure Gunnell will be in high school...

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Blackcoffee's picture

Next year, as in 2019, but thanks for the witty enlightenment.

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Kangarooman's picture

Not really trying to be witty. Just didn't understamd why you posted a depth chart guess two seasons from now?

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Blackcoffee's picture

I think a fair amount of people would prefer Burrow stay simply because they believe Haskins will not transfer and sit out for a year, and we can then have a security blanket of sorts for the year 2019. Hedging all bets. If Haskins is named the starter, the fear is the quarteback depth chart not only this year but also 2019 fill many with dread that we have depleted our wealth for the future. Trying to elucidate that unwarranted fear. Any clearer now?

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Buck298's picture

At some point a decision needs to be made. A starter has to be prepared. Naming a starter a day before the first game such as Urban did in 2015 does not help the team, the other 21 starters need to know so all are on the same page and are preparing together. 

No matter what Urban decides, there will be hurt feelings. That's life. Just pick the guy, let the chips fall where they may, and go. And don't look back!

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

He already had that talk. 

My educated guess is, we will hear after commencement, and when Burrow locks down his destination. 

Sorry folks, he's gone. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

For everybody that’s shushing Burrow our the door; may the thought of Martell as #2 THIS year be kept in mind.

Personally I’m not calling a “winner” and won’t be surprised if it’s not said until Fall Camp.

I love underdogs though!

Who would’ve thought that Barrett would start and play the B1G Title game.  Lol!

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timhbomb's picture

Burrow transferring to TCU.

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Buck298's picture

Link?

Send the Earth Reverberating

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lamplighter's picture

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Florida seems most likely, IMO. Mullen runs the same basic offense. Florida fans are eager to welcome Joe to G'ville. They have no solid starter.

Absolutely want to see Burrow stay, but Florida would be a great landing spot for him if he goes.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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High St Heismans's picture

Teddyballgame 

Ironically the "greatest coach in the NCAA" (Saban) proved that he would not ride or die with a QB like JT

Exactly Saban went to the bullpen instead of sticking with the blind devotion of the same old,same old.What could have been with that defense

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Dgeneral's picture

Everyone is speculating what will happen but most likely the decision was already made even before the 2 hand touch spring game.

Its amazing that fans think that game has anything to do with the decision.

Meyer knows both cant come back after the fiasco with Cardale and JT. The coaching staff is not doing that again. Plus this year Martell will play and run for big yards and TDs.

A HS coach friend of mine in Ohio thinks that although Meyer really loves Burrow, Haskins will be the choice. Haskins has the NFL big arm and scouts are already projecting him as a day 1 pick. Plus Meyer knows to beat the 2 elites- Bama/Clemson that big arm is needed downfield.

Waiting until after graduation made sense to announce the transfer.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

It’s ironic that folks think that IF Burrow transfers, his camp would put so much value in getting help from Meyer on where to land.  I question why would he.

If Burrow was my kid and was transferring without ever really having a chance to perform despite some of the downright dreadful QB performances of late, I’d ask myself.  “Why listen to Meyer on where to go, when he didn’t think enough of my son’s talent when he had the option to play him”.

Wouldn’t be anything that he could tell me when he told me enough by his actions!

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Hovenaut's picture

Guess it's getting to be about that time.

I don't have a pick...I'm cool with whomever gets the nod.

Of course, I can say that without having the responsibility of making a damn tough decision.

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