Would be a sound pick imo, but they already took their 10 year limit of Buckeyes
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Hubbard, IMO, nothing against him at all, isn't even the best edge guy left... Harold Landry is just sitting there...
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I don’t put too much stock in the consensus of mock drafters at this point.
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Landry might be the most overrated player in the draft. Plus there are some injury concerns
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No, They need an OT more than anything. Expect them to go pick up will hernandez and a rb in Guice
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33 – Harold Landry-Edge
35 – Justin Reid-Safety
64 – Orlando Brown-Left Tackle… if he is gone Jamarco Jones
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
Harold Landry is a name I saw, and then Connor Williams a couple picks later.
This would be perfect. I'd be okay with sitting Williams for a year of development, like Baker.
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I am probably gonna get lambasted for saying this. I would take either Harold Landry from Boston College or Maurice Hurst from Xichigan with the #33. Then I would take Guice form LSU at #35 or who ever is still available between Landry and Hurst. It is not often you have a chance to get D lineman of that quality in the second round. I would be open to taking Hubbard at #63 , but I would prefer Happy Jamarco if he is still available. To me Hubbard's game is a lot like Carl Nassib's. In the right system Hubbard is gonna be a beast. I think either New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, or Tennessee will end up with him.
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I think most Browns fans are okay with taking M!chigan players as long as they don't suck, like gerbil or Braylon.
I would agree with this. I didn't dislike the Peppers pick last year because he he was from Michigan, I disliked it because he's not good at playing football. I don't have a problem with Michigan players on the Browns though as long as they help the team.
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Leroy Hoard was one of my favorite Browns when he was with the team.
Steve Everitt was favorite scUM player drafted by the Browns. Hoard is a close 2nd.
The only good thing to happen for Cleveland during the 1996 NFL season.
My 2 favorite TTUN Brown's also, especially Everitt.
That was awesome....rocking the Browns bandana under his Ravens helmet. F' Modell.
Orange Whip? Orange Whip? 3 Orange Whips!
Yeah, he was a good one too.
I'd add Aaron Shea to the list as well.
Yeah, I forgot about Shea...he was very solid too. Good call.
Agree. We get over it real fast. Its because we do indeed, cough, puke, respect them. LOL As a kid, I was really a big Leroy Hoard fan.
Yep. I was happy as hell to watch Leroy Hoard run people over in brown and orange. I oppose Peppers because he is a tweener.
I’m with this, I don’t think Hubbard shines for the browns.
Hes a really good player and plays soundly but he’s not a next level dominator type player that I’d want the browns to invest in if they’re addressing the hybrid 3/4 or DE position.
I would have no issue with Hurst being picked by the Browns. I think he could be a beast but got lost a bit in the press clippings due to the love affair with Rashan Gary.
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Hurst is a beast on the inside - I'd have no problem with picking him up.
Some claim he may even be there at #64, I don't see how. Guy is a monster with a motor.
Heart condition that showed up in his combine tests
Browns could have had either the best or 2nd best player in the draft at 4 with Chubb and still get their CB in Jackson here at the top of the 2nd round. Instead they pass on Chubb are left without a great option at OT or DE here at the top of the 2nd round.
Maybe the WR Sutton from SMU and RB (Chubb or Guice) to give Mayfield some more weapons?
I don't Know, Landry is awfully good. Wiiliams from Texas is still available at OT. Josh Sweat and Arden Key are both super physically gifted DE's with a lot of question marks. Jamarco Jones is an awfully good Tackle at the end of the second round. He really excels in pass blocking.
Hindsight is always 20/20. I'm sure if the Browns had a crystal ball and could have seen that Jackson would fall to the second round they would have given serious consideration to the idea of Chubb at 4 and Jackson at 33. But no one could have predicted that Jackson would still be available with any certainty and after him there is a significant drop-off. I looked at mock after mock before the draft and most "experts" had Jackson going in the mid-teens to early twenties. Many had him even as high as 14 to GB. The way it is, the browns already have a strong D-line with bookend edge players in Garrett and Ogba. Meanwhile their secondary was a flaming bag of dog shit last year. They chose the best corner in the draft while addressing their biggest defensive need. Can't hate on the Ward pick.
And if they really want a potent edge rusher, Landry is still available. The big knock on him was that he wasn't as well rounded as Chubb, but most "experts" believe hes a better pure pass rusher. If all you're looking for is a rotational D-end to get after the QB, Landry actually fits that mold better. Let Ogba play the run on first and second down and bring Landry in to come off the edge in passing situations.
Is Chubb really that much better than Lewis or Hubard or even Jalyn Homes?Those guys took reps from Nick Bosa , who I think is better than Chubb. Lewis was defensive lineman of year in big ten last year. Bosa was this year. Your point is legit though
Granted I have only heard this information from ESPN "experts" and other people that do mock drafts, but everyone says that Chubb is near Myles Garrett's level in terms of skill and would have been a top 5 pick in last years draft. I've heard he's similar skill wise to Joey Bosa and he broke Mario Williams' TFL and Sack records at NC State so the production matched the skill.
Best Left Tackle available in my humble opinion. Shon Coleman or Hubbard are not the answer.
Agree with others above, OT would be the most immediate need imo. Jamarco Jones would fill it, but I think they look elsewhere.
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Williams and then Guice would be my picks.
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Christian Kirk please.
Not a need right now. The Browns are good to go with two top receivers in Gordon and Landry. OT, RB, and LB are all more pressing.
I wish we had a 3rd round pick so we could take a stab at Baker. Too many needs to take him in the second round IMO.
I like the current buckeye linebackers better than Baker. I'd rather take a flyer on him in the 4th or later rounds but his athleticism could make him go higher. His reads weren't good from a casual perspective though
With LB a need, I regret not getting Roquan Smith.
Maybe if they didnt sign landry and give him like $40M guaranteed.
After watching a season full of drops by the Browns WR corps, I don't think many fans are very concerned with paying a guy that routinely catches 100 balls a season.
It wouldn’t be bad given that Gordon is getting older and to the end of his contract. He might be too pricey if he stays clean and has another year that we hope he has
Dunno if Kirk is an outside guy though or if he’s a slot in the nfl. He’s not very big is he? Under 6’.
take the corner from Iowa, then Chubb, and finally take Jamarco
I think the possibility of taking Jackson is intriguing; that would give the Browns two very good cover CBs (Ward and Jackson), and two very good pass-rushing DEs (Garrett and Ogbah). Might be some synergy there.
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So many great opportunities to keep the ball rolling. D Line would be wise
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I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
They should get a QB since they didn't pick one up yesterday. I can't believe they drafted two D.B.s with their picks.
Exactly, time to pick up the steal of the draft Richard Lagow!
Harold Landry, Sam Hubbard, Connor Williams, Derrius Guice, Maurice Hurst, Courtland Sutton, and Justin Reid are all sitting there and would be fantastic picks the Browns.
Browns will take someone that no one is expecting. Dorsey's board is entirely his own, damn the "experts".
Time will judge this draft, but the dude has some brass cajones.
Everyone is an "expert" nowadays. I love all the "fans" that are done with the Browns now. If you give up on your team because of a draft, you were never a fan in the first place.
I like Dorsey's style. No nonsense. Has great football people around him (Wolf, Mccloughan). I actually trust this front office.
It isn't just one draft it is the last 18 which has resulted in what? 2 All-pro players?
Mack & Schwartz.
And who's to say that this draft won't produce All-Pro players? They picked up two darn good ones in the first round, and have 3 second round picks.
Only time will tell.
Its blatantly obvious that Josh Gordon is worthy of all pro and might be the best receiver in the league when all is well. And that is without on opposite side receiver or decent QB.
You can't build a career on what you might do. I might be president but no one is going to call me that until I am elected.
He is a fantastic talent but part of the equation is not screwing up off the field.
Mach and Schwartz play on different teams, so your argument is that they can draft talent but can't hold on to it which isn't any better.
Also, it is waaaay too early to claim Mayfield is a great player, there is a reason he was thought of a smokescreen and not a serious threat at 1 overall.
Gordon was a first team all-pro in 2013.
Time will judge this draft, but the dude has some brass cajones.
Could be balls, or he could be like every other GM they've had who thought he was smarter than everyone. When Baker busts we can lump Dorsey in with all the other rejects who have run Browns drafts since 99.
If they don't take Will Hernandez, the G from UTEP, I would really question humanity. Nothing against any of the above players, but Hernandez is not quite Quenton Nelson level, but he's not far off, and he is by far the BPA.
I love Hernandez, he is a beast, but no way he plays left tackle. He is definitely a stong run blocking guard. What would you do, move Bitonio over to tackle? Williams from Texas is good but has short arms. Brian O'neil from Pitt has long arms and is good. Jamarco Jones has really long arms, and is really good in the passing game. Orlando Brown kinda has bust written all over him.
Browns have 2 guards that signed contracts totalling $111M. They are not taking a guard here.
With the number of needs the Browns have, going BPA when that player is a guard (which they already have 2 quality guards) seems very unwise. I think you go either Landry or Hurst, and Guice. Then Jamarco or the Pitt OT at 64
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Josh Jackson with Denzel Ward would be lethal but I’m sure there are bigger needs and Jackson will more than likely be gone by their second pick. Was thinking Guice at 33 would be good, but then again they do have El Guapo. Kind of have to think that OT is the way to go here. I’m sure Christian Kirk would make you guys really scary although the need isn’t there. You guys are in a good place with your first couple picks.
Ward and Jackson would be a lethal tandem if they both pan out.
Browns had the #14 defense last year with that lousy secondary and kizer giving the ball back frequently.
If you can slide Bitonio over to LT, then draft Hernandez. If you can't slide Bitonio over to LT, then I would take Landry with #33 and move back in the draft from #35 to mid to late 2nd round to get an OT (O'Neill or Happy Jones).
Dorsey's seems to operate under the mindset of "take him if you like him" - so maybe it's best player available. I don't know how you pass on Landry at #33 though....him and Garrett could be a handful in years to come.
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I have a sneaky suspicion they're happy with Ogbah opposite Garrett, or else why pass on Chubb at #4? The difference between Chubb and the rest of the edge rushers is much greater than the difference between Ward and the rest of the CB's. Not that Ward isn't a really good player but there are still very solid CB's available that could start day 1...especially for the Browns.
I honestly don't think Chubb is that much better than Hubbard or Lewis. And I don't think he is better than Bosa or at least 2 other guys for next year.
I mean I'll have to agree to disagree about being much better than Hubbard or Lewis. It's pretty obvious to even a casual fan that Bosa is on the same level or higher. I'm not sure what that has to do with this years draft though?
Can we please find a way to get Nick Bosa next year?
If Mayfield starts we'll have the 1st again next year.
Tyrod Taylor became the QB of the future for the Browns last night.
And Chase Young the following year!
They may be able to take O'neil or Jones at 63. They have a really good chance to get 2 studs at 33 and 35. I would definitely take Landry, then Hurst or Guice. I would like the looks of a defensive line with Garrett,Landry, Ogbah, Brantley, Ogunjobi, and Hurst. That would be a hell of a rotation.
Yea I'm not sold on a tackle at the top of the round but would be nice to grab one at 63. I think it's still a reach at 33 & 35 to go for a RB as it's not a huge need and there isn't transcendental player available that you go hes so much better than the backs we have/rest of the backs available. I mean honestly with Hyde and Johnson you have a workhorse and a 3rd down back you'd be drafting more likely for depth and rotation at that point. Much bigger needs and better players available at the top of round 2.
Hyde played 16 games for the first time in his career last season, and does not have a 1000 yard season under his belt. Adding a 3rd RB to the rotation would do wonders when it comes to keeping fresh legs in (See NE and Philly) which is huge in close games. I think Guice has pro bowl potential and would be a fantastic pick at 33 or 35.
My point was I don't feel Guice is head and shoulders above the other backs available that you can pick up later. drafting a 3rd rotational back at the top of the 2nd when you have holes for starting positions doesn't make sense from a team perspective. They're still missing basically 2 OT and the secondary is shit. Easily could argue that they need another Dlineman as well and would likely be more impactful than a rotational back. If you believe Guice comes in and beats out Hyde for workhorse load then it makes a little more sense but I haven't seen tape that says he's that much better than Hyde to warrant it. I won't be upset with Guice, he's a good back, I just wouldn't be selecting him at that position.
With Penny and Michel both sneaking into round 1, I really don't think any of Guice, Chubb, or Ronald Jones make it to the Browns next pick at 64. I also am not against going DL with one of those 2 picks either, because like you said it definitely is a need.
A secondary of EJ Gaines and Ward outside and TJ Carrie at the slot is far from shit. In fact, from a talent stand point it's easily in the top third of the league. I'm reserving judgment on the safety position until we see how it looks with Peppers playing a more natural position in SS and Randall at FS.
From an OT perspective, we definitely need 1. Hubbard was fantastic at RT for the Steelers last year in spot play, so if he can keep that level of play we'll be fine on the right side. I really don't think any of the talked about OTs in the top of the 2nd have true LT potential, so I'd much rather take an impact guy than reach for a position of need. You can probably get the OT out of Pitt or even Jamarco Jones at 64 where the value makes much more sense than a tweener like Connor Williams all the way up at 33.
As far as the impact of a rotational back, Alvin Kamara would like a word with you.
Disclaimer: These are just my thoughts on what the Browns should do. I definitely understand people who think there are bigger needs than RB and therefore feel we should pass on the position at 33/35
Agree. If they want a RB...top of round 2 is the time to do it.
Hey if they like the backs that much I can't knock'em for taking them, I'm not trying to crap on the opinion of taking a back, just not what I would do if I had the decision to make. I think they are the team that really wanted Penny in the 2nd. It's intriguing to see where they go after a bit of a surprising first round, I feel like I don't have a clue what their decision makers are going to do.
Kamara being a rotational back is kind of a mis-label he's their Duke Johnson, except slightly bigger...and utilized better all-down back. Everybody wants to copy the multiple back success but the teams that have done it well haven't over drafted them to acquire all the pieces.
I find it hard to count on free agents that aren't really proven and aren't big name successful players but I'd be ecstatic if those you listed play well.
Again I'm just explaining my reasoning I can fully respect your reasoning and agree that it too is a perfectly logical outcome. So we should probably expect them to do something else out of left field -_-
EJ Gaines was PFF's 13th rated CB in the NFL last year in Buffalo, and TJ Carrie was somewhere in the 20s I believe, which is what I was basing that statement on.
It appears where we disagree on the multiple back style is in the overdraft part. I don't think taking Guice, who was mocked by many as a first round pick and pretty unanimously regarded as the 2nd or 3rd best back in the draft, would be a reach at 33 or 35.
As far as Penny goes, I genuinely thought we could've gotten him at 64 if we wanted. I think Seattle royally screwed the pooch on that pick given their OL and secondary situations (Josh Jackson would've been a perfect replacement for Sherman...)
Landry is rumored to have injury issues this causing his drop. Daniel Jeremiah mentioned it on the dan patrick show earlier.
Josh Sweat is another one who is just an absolute freak of an athlete, and Dorsey is known for taking players with some character concerns.
It would be nice to see them go and grab Justin Reid and another CB with their first 2 in the second. This would be made an incredible haul if they could grab Jamarco Jones at the bottom of the round. I'm not sure about Williams from Texas but I could see that happening. It would almost be nice if Bitonio could kick out and grab Hernandez, but I'm sure there's good reason Bitonio moved inside to begin with other than Thomas being there. If he were an NFL tackle you'd think he woulda been playing the right side this whole time, I mean that's assuming the Browns coaches know what they're doing... which is a stretch of stretches...so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
OL and then best available...RB or DL
I've been ok with them taking Ward over Chubb. When Ogbah and Garrett we're only the field at the same time (small sample size) they we're monsters.
I think we keep going with the best players at a positions of needed. Could look at Sutton, as we need another outside receiver (Landry plays better in the slot), OT (Williams, or hope later in the 2nd for Jones or 3rd and hope Brown isn't a bust) and bolster the DL rotation. Not sure if a LB slots in well where we are at, but could use help there.
Gotta go with an LT otherwise whichever QB who does start will be on IR before midseason.
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Hurst or Reid would be good.
I'll take any combination of Darius Guice, Ronald Jones III, Mo Hurst, Harald Landry, Conner Williams, or Will Hernandez (to move Bitonio to LT) at 33 and 35. These are all dudes with first rounds grades and could be immediate impact players for us. I love Josh Jackson and from a pure BPA standpoint he's probably the top of the board, but I just can justify taking him after grabbing Ward at 4.
In a perfect world I'd love and grab Guice and either Hernandez or Williams, and then trade up from 64 for Sutton.
Landry and Hurst are tempting, but with the Browns not likely improving to the point of moving out of the top 10 of next years draft, its hard for me not to realize that next year is the year of the D-lineman. With Bosa, Dre'Mont, Gary, Oliver, and the four-headed monster that is Clemson's D-line, we can pick up our stud then.
I would try to add Jackson. Gotta be able to stop the Steelers and Brown.
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I see nothing wrong with taking Jackson or Carlton Davis with one of the picks in the early 2nd round. They need corners. IMO , they don't really have 2 solid starting CB's. This could set them up for the future. Hurst would be my second pick. They need DL after trading Shelton. Would like to see them take O. Brown or Jamarco at the end of the round.
they signed a number of corners in free agency and just picked what they hope is a No. 1 corner last night with Ward. I really think they are set at CB.
As a Bengals fan I know this would never happen, but say the Bengals offered the Browns next years first for the 33rd pick? Would the browns fans here want them to accept that offer? The Bengals could then take Will Hernandez and fill a huge need with the best G left, and the browns would get a potential top 20 pick next year in return. Thoughts?
I'd take that, they'll need to stock pile picks to trade up for a Franchise QB at some point unless they think Taylor is a long term solution.
Didn’t the Browns just draft J.T. last night?
Any deal that takes away 1st round picks from a divisional foe is a good deal.
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No. 33 - Derrius Guice, RB, LSU (Alt Pick - Maurice Hurst, DT, Michigan)
No. 35 - Connor Williams, OT, Texas (Alt Pick - Derrius Guice, RB, LSU)
No. 64 - Tim Settle, DT, Virginia (Alt Pick - Brian O'Neill, OT, Pittsburgh)
I know I'm most likely going to be completely wrong, but this would be my ideal 2nd round for the Browns.
It's gotta be T & RB with the early picks. I don't really care what order but I would like to see Guice.