It won't shock me at all. It's a secret to absolutely nobody that Urban loves/needs/wants a running QB.
Although Burrow and Haskins CAN run, Martell (either by skill or necessity) is the most willing and able of the three to run the ball and that gives me a leg up in the competition.
Haskins is going to start but Martell will have a role. How much of a role he will have is dependent on his performance but if people think urban force feeding us QB runs is done because JT left, think again. It's going to be a dual QB set up regardless of how the fanbase feels. Wilson has played 2 QBs, Meyer has played 2 QBs. Burrow is the odd man out. Baldwin is too young and has the ACL so he is a non-factor.
Nothing at all surprising about what will happen.
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Crazy how people downvote you just because they disagree with you. Shame on you people, you know who you are.
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I am a fellow downvote shamer for downvotes that occur bc someone has a differing opinion. Upvotes for you.
Don't know why the downvotes. Your commentary is rational and fits to what Meyer likes most in his QBs. He starts Martell from the beginning and coach probably loses both Haskins and Burrow. Martell will get his reps and may even become the starter by the end of the season but Meyer needs to ensure that either Burrow or Haskins sticks around this year.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
In my opinion Ohio St. don't need a running q.b. at all. Ohio St. has 2 great backs that can carry the load.
It seems to me, of the three QBs in play, that Meyer has sung the praises of Martell the most throughout spring. I like all three players, so I'm not selectively listening for positives about one quarterback in particular... but Martell's name is the one I've heard mentioned the most by Meyer.
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After watching the spring game i don't know how anyone could think martel is ready. His throw on the int was horrible unless the receiver didn't run the route right. Burrow looks like the most consistent of the three imo. Been in the system 4 years, and we know meyer covets experience over up side.
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It's been brought up many times... even Urban has said it's a 3 QB competition. Only those living under a rock thought it was just going to be Haskins/Burrow.
Not living under a rock. Urban can say whatever he wants. He is a coach and thats what he is supposed to do.It is Haskins to lose and by a very very wide gap.Haskins came in against Michigan. A very tight Michigan game. The offense played a 1000 times better while he was in there. He helped lead them to victory. He outplayed JT and that wasn't even close.Urban knows what he is getting with Haskins.He will continue to say all Three are playing lights out. No one is the starter. No one has separated themselves. All Three have good and down days. They are making the decision hard. They won't know the starter until fall camp.He is gonna drag these guys along.I feel he is doing this to keep depth and not have a transfer. Joe B could transfer rather easily, Tate may not want to wait another Two years to play.If Haskins gets the job and does not leave early he will be the starter for Two years. I would be willing to bet (can't prove) that its not even close.
That's not what it is though, that's just what you believe. All 3 quarterbacks have been splitting reps and Urban has said it's neck and neck. If Urban knew Haskins was going to be the starter, he would be getting all the first team reps. What Haskins did was awesome and all, but it was just a quarter and a half. This is an entirely new season and it sounds like Burrow and Martell are making the most of their opportunities.
Urban would NEVER name a starter in this situation. This is how he gets the most out of each of them.
“Just a quarter and a half...”. Hahaha that’s like saying Cardale only played three good games.
Haskins’ ability is jaw-dropping. He’ll go #1 in the draft next year. The kid is all kind of special.
Tate will see lots of time since we’ll blow everyone out.
I would bet dollars to donuts that Haskins is the starter on opening game. Unless injury or trouble.
It’s spring ball he trying to keep people happy. Give em a reason to believe they have a chance. Stop the transfer
Haskins came in against Michigan. A very tight Michigan game.
Keep in mind Burrows was still dealing with whatever hand injury he had earlier in the season so there was no logical reason to play a guy who isnt 100% over a guy who was, especially when they were neck in neck for the 2nd string QB spot(from everything I heard anyway). Haskins played by default against ttun. I'm not so sure Burrows doesn't get the nod over Haskins if he was healthy at the time. I could very well be wrong, but who knows.
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the moon is an awful big rock... and has a dark side....
Love the comment. I'm going to use it Buck68!
Excuse my french, but I really REALLY hope Urban doesn't fuck this up. Thinking about the 2015 season gives me the heebie jeebies - and I don't want a repeat of that at all.
Select a QB early in the process, and support said QB from then, on.
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These kids have a different makeup. I honestly don’t think it’ll matter.
Right. None of them have really proven shit on the college level. Haskins is the only one who has played any meaningful snaps, and that was only due to JT's injury. When it was Cardale, JT, and Braxton(really it was Cardale and JT), all of them had proven themselves on the big stage. All of them had done enough to have an ego(not in a bad way). Now, we have three relatively unproven guys who are hungry to play, but from what I can tell, have no sense of entitlement(and have no reason to feel like they deserve to be handed the starting job until proven otherwise.). I think Haskins would have the hardest time accepting the fact that he isnt the starter, but I dont think it would cause any real issue for the team/in the locker room.
I’ve gotta be real, when Tate committed —- he was the PERFECT fit for Urban’s system. But, has that system changed to the point where Tate isn’t as perfect a fit? I don’t know.
Regardless, I’m still a huge fan of Tate. He will eventually succeed here.
The system hasn't changed at all. Ryan Day said the system will work to the QBs strengths, whoever wins it.
when the 'system' is a decision tree with 3 total branches... what kind of tree is it?
does the inanimate concept 'system' 'work' - or do people work and apply various methods/systems?
Starter is a 2 horse race but Urb is mentioning Martell so he stays engaged as Urb knows he may need him ready to go as soon as this year...even if he isn't the starter right away. One injury away if the 'loser' of the starting competition leaves.
Tate will have his own package. He’s too dangerous to not use. He’ll give defenses fits.
No one has brought this up?
no facts please
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Wow. I was actually getting sick of seeing all the articles and discussion on this drama, and someone thinks no one has mentioned it? Yikes.
Perspective? I guess....
Yup. Everything has been mentioned. There are no original thoughts left regarding the qb situation.
Baldwin starts. There’s one. He’s the next Richard Lagow.
Baldwin doesn't have the prototypical size. I'm not sure he can make EVERY NFL throw.
And besides, Urban is a stand up dude, he wouldn't fuck Baldwin over like Allen did to Richie.
Yeah, plus Lagow isn’t an original thought. I have to give that credit to Buckeye Jack. He’s a genius soothsayer.
It's not just Richie either. Sharma AND Finau!
So is the Lagow thing old yet?
Lol! I was going to keep dropping it until the draft and kind of see where it goes from there. I guess it might be a decent time to put it on the shelf and you know, pick it up when the dude signs as an UDFA...
Richard Lagow could be the Mitch Leidner of Gibran Hamdans.
Prototypical size. A real NFL arm for clipboard-carrying.
Lagow is a boom or bust prospect. He could also be the Scott Dreisbach of Wally Richardsons.
Soothsayer...the word that knocked me out of the middle school spelling bee!
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Dobbins for QB.
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
You guys think that Haskins could go that far in the playoffs with no real go-to WR that is going in the 1st or 2nd in 2019 and with the fact that D-Coordinators will get more game film on him and he might not be able to force the defense to put an extra number in the box.
The WR group is perfect for a 60-55% run to 40-45% pass spread to run offense
One of the oddest things..I have listened to Urb rave about Zone 6, walk-ons, and various random players...can’t remember him even saying a lot positive about Joe..I think it is a done deal...Simba #1 and Tate in special packages and mop up.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
It ain't gonna be Tate. Also, you may as well as "Hell no!" to Burrow. Haskins is still basking in the afterglow of his Michigan win, thus making him a (Horse)shoe in.
Haskins played big on a big stage. But keep in perspective he was playing against an eventual 5 loss team. He also benefited from a sport center catch on 3-14.
That eventual 5 loss team held OSUs record breaking greatest qb ever to 40 yards passing. And Mack benefited from a sportscenter throw. Anyone peeing in what Haskins did in AA is misguided. It was huge performance and there's no reason to diminish it in any way.
You act like JT has never been shut down before, every good defense has given him fits. Not a good argument at all. Its just my opinion that Burrow is the more rounded QB at this point in time for Urbans offense.
I'm going to be keeping my eye on Danny Clarke
I, like everyone above me, have no idea who is playing better in practice, if this is truly a 3 horse race, if Meyer is just paying lip service to all three of his stud QBs to keep the room happy. But what I THINK I know is that, unless he is far and away the best option, Tate Martell will not start this year. Urban simply cannot take the chance that 2/3 of his healthy QB options transfer upon learning they will be the backup. This is the one problem with recruiting a bunch of Alpha males at the most important position on the team. Everyone says it's a good problem to have. I'm not so sure, but you have to be good (GREAT) at managing it. Hell, imagine if Haskins is named the starter, Burrow immediately decides to transfer, and Tate sleeps on it and decides in July that he doesn't want to wait possibly 2 more years to play. I'm not saying this will happen, but given the talent and personalities in that room, they all want to play, and it is a very real possibility. It almost makes sense that Saban has never had truly highly rated QBs, with the current exception of Tua.
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Tate Martell is NOT going to transfer! Just mark that one down and stop that conversation. We had JT for at least two more years, Burrow was here and Haskins was committed. Tate was asked at that time "Why would you choose a school that was that deep in QB's and you are almost guaranteed that you will be playing back up for at least two years. He stated that he wanted that type of competition and no other school offered it. He also stated that he was willing to put in the work to get there. He knew the circumstances when he agreed to sign. He also knows that this is the best place for him to get to the next level.
You never get a second chance to make the first impression
Haskins wins the job, Burrow transfers, Tate is the backup, in July Haskins gets suspended for practicing with NFL wr's more than his team, Tate becomes the starter, only to suffer sprained knee in August. Urban is about to blow like the Yellowstone Caldera until THE G.O.A.T. walks into Urban's office and says I got you coach. Demario goes on to become the legend we all knew he would. You said original QB ideas so there you go.
( Pure B.S. on my part just having fun)
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Haskins starts, Tate has his packages and burrow transfers is the most common thing I see on here.. and I agree. You have to assume urban has to put some stock into what Haskins did in Ann Arbor. But has anyone else not thought of all the times urban has said “ well we almost burned Tate’s redshirt this week” he even said that after the mich game. So it would shock me if burrow is the guy. I think I’d much rather see Haskins start and open up the deep ball and just be accurate.. and then Tate come in with his packages.
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Urban is so in love with Austin Mack that he sees something that makes him start Mack at QB!
Thus begins the era of Thee Mack Attack!
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Anyone remember the 2013 offense? Yeah I'm not surprised at all Tate is very much in the running.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
Anyone know where to stream the Spring Game since Comcast dropped the B10 Channel this week...not happy
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
Yeah that was an unpleasant surprise. I’ll drop them as soon as I can.
Man, after watching today if I had a vote I would hope Tate left over Joe. He can't throw, it was pretty obvious, he is a 75% Braxton on every level, athletically and throwing ability. I would prefer a guy less mobile who can make all the throws, that is what wins championships as evidenced by every winning team in the playoff era.
Come to OSU, where if you don't live up to the fans Ungodly expectations, then gtfo.
Lord forbid a RS freshman with no actual game experience not look like Joe Montana in a spring scrimmage in April. And if you didnt notice Braxton was a pretty damned good quarterback.
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I loved Braxton...I just don't believe a guy can learn to throw in college (Braxton didnt, Barrett didnt, Pryor didnt,...). Tate is a running qb, and I would prefer a qb who throws first and runs second, who was the last pure running QB to win the title (none in playoff era)? I don't want him to transfer, just saying if one had to leave I would rather keep Burrow and Haskins.
You obviously never watched his HS tape.
What someone does in HS has no bearing on college. I don't share the opinion that Tate should transfer but he is very far behind both Burrow and Haskins.
HS tape, stats, wins...anything Hs related is meaningless at this point. The positives and negatives of Tate were on display yesterday. When (not if) he plays there will be physical issues he will have to deal with because of his height that both he and the coaching staff will have to work around. But currently he does things on a level in the QB run game the other 2 cannot and that's his path to the field.
Tate was throwing against a number of probable NFL talented secondary players, however.
Tate running that ZR is going to get playing time in short yardage and red zone/goalline. This is the biggest area JT will be missed.
Agree! I don't think this is an issue in half of the schedule, but against better defenses the offense could struggle to move the ball and Urban will instinctively want to "Run the Quarterback" and this will give TM opportunities. Otherwise, I think both Haskins and Burrow are both very qualified to distribute to a very loaded offense. Haskins probably has a higher ceiling, but I also fear we'll see some bad decisions and inconsistent play while he grows into the job.
The problem with packages with Martell are going to be the same that they faced when trying to do it with Braxton Miller. If they don’t let him throw then the package telegraphs a run and the defense will key in on it. If they want it to be effective, then they are going to have to let Martell throw from time to time.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Miller couldn't throw. Became clear early on. Not an issue with Martell imo
I agree. There is no reason they wouldn't have had Braxton throw unless he was physically incapable of throwing without the risk of re-injury that shoulder, like many have mentioned, it made the Braxton wildcat formation very predictable. Urband and co. arennt idiots and would have had him throw the ball to make it less predictable if they could have. Martell doesnt have that issue, and from what I can tell is a better passer than Braxton was anyway(based on HS tape, which I realize only means so much).
Well, tape means a lot on here. We have people here pounding their fist on the table for a guy after a 7 on 7 tape.
lol. Good point. To be fair, all we have to really go on IS the tape so I can't blame people for basing their opinions off of it.
Redzone offense might be Tate and Teague. Good luck for opposing defenses.
What is disappointing is Burrow should have been the starting QB last year. Then when he got hurt Haskins would have come in and won the Michigan game and both would be ready for great things this year. And Burrow would have stayed this year regardless who won the competition. Burrow could have then turned pro after this year or transferred to played one more year in 2019.
Meyer screwed up with his blind loyalty to a a guy that could throw against good defenses.
DGeneral does make points....Meyer (like a lot of other coaches) is loyal to a fault.
One point he makes is that a guy with a broken hand should have been the starting quarterback last year. So, there's that.
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Wasn't said hand healed a few weeks into the season, no?
Not as I recall. I believe he was throwing a football in that time frame, but no game ready. All of this would mean that Burrow should have been the starter to oust the guy who played while he was injured? It's completely illogical.
If one were to claim that JT shouldn't have started, ok. But, I can't follow the logic of a QB with a broken hand starting, much less Haskins starting while Burrow was sidelined, only to cede the position to Burrow when he was ready to go.
I think it's more about that Haskins/Burrow weren't afforded the opportunity to have even the possibility of unseating JT either last spring or in the fall camp leading up to the season. obviously can't start a guy that has a broken hand. but Burrow or Haskins never had a chance at the starting gig.
I'm sure that's true. But, I'm also sure that benching JT would not have gone over as seamlessly and smoothly inside of that locker room as most seem to think it would. There would have been reactions, many of which would not have been positive.
Maybe. Would have been a true test of leadership. We'll never know.
What i do know is that Ohio State recruits well enough and coaches well enough to always have confidence in the next guy. Especially if that next guy has a year or so in the system.
JT wasnt going to get benched because he was our best QB last year. Urban knows a TAD more about QBs than fans. TIme to move on.
if JT was around for one more year - this upcoming season - should Burrow and Haskins just continue to wait without getting even a chance to win the job? would JT still be OSU's best option in 2018?
If JT was around for this year, Burrow would probably transfer which is understandable. And even though it's a very unpopular opinion, yes he would be the best option. His experience and leadership is very hard to replace. Burrow or Haskins is not just going to light up college football this fall. The offense is going to have to rely a lot on Weber and Dobbins to make it work while Haskins/Burrow get live reps in games.
Like it was great what Haskins did against TTUN, now try doing that in Happy Valley, at night, in front of that crowd, with a new starter at center, in only your 5th start and 2nd road game, with a defacto Big 10 East title on the line.
I guess I don't understand a position that is essentially saying the incumbent remains the starter essentially in perpetuity. The level at which OSU recruits and coaches...there's every chance the next guy is as good or better than the current guy.
As for your example of HV at night, 5th start etc...it's again impossible to make that comparison for Burrow or Haskins because neither has been put in that spot yet. But who would have believe Haskins could lead/direct/execute the offense so well against a defense that ended the year #3 in total defense and #4 in pass efficiency defense in the nation on the road against your biggest rival with a still-potential playoff spot in play?
I personally think Burrow or Haskins would have been a better QB for OSU last year, however, looking at it from Meyer's perspective Barrett was a proven winner and despite underperforming in some big games played great for us for a long time. Imagine being in Meyer's shoes, if you bench JT and whoever starts in his place doesn't play well all hell would break loose.
Tate Martell, Julian Edelman on line 1.
I was thinking about how rare it is for a freshman to start at QB at OSU. I think the list is limited to Art Schlichter, Terrelle Pryor (not at the start of the season), and J.T. Barrett (due to Braxton’s injury). Is Martell on that level? I suppose it’s possible, but it looked to me in the Spring Game like he could use another year of developing better decision making and accuracy.
Braxton started as a true freshman. It's not rare in recent history at all -- our last three starting QBs (excluding Cardale and Bauserman) all started as freshmen.
That said, I do not think Martell has any chance of being the starter this year.
I think there is merit in all three players getting the nod, I just hope, (as mentioned above) the decision is made early. I think that's the best way to give Burrow his opportunity to move on if he so chooses. Not that I want him to go, but if he doesn't get picked as the starter, it's his right to move on if that's the best move for him.
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I had a chance to watch the game last night. Tate looked exciting and like a great athlete. He did not look like someone who should be competing for the starting job this season. He is a distant 3rd place IMO.
I think that was clear to all. He is exciting with the ball in his hand but both Burrow and Haskins are significantly better passers. Tate may develop into an adequate passer but I don't see it happening by fall.
"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"
But, I do think he'll be ready to take over as the starter next year when this year's starter is entered in the NFL draft.