Skull Session: Where Urban Meyer Misses J.T. Barrett, Ohio State's Toughest Game, and The Only Parts of Amazon's Michigan Series Worth Watching

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Buctor's picture

That prediction looks like enough wins to make the playoffs.  But winning them all almost guarantees it.  Let's do it that way in 2018!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Great article on Johnny Cash. He was the first concert I ever saw. My Dad took me to see him at the Ohio State Fair when I was in first grade.

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WezBuck28's picture

Although Barrett's leadership skills were uncanny, Haskins is still young without much college experience..as his role expands, his confidence will expand as well, and those leadership skills will come when be relaxes and becomes comfortable

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I was thinking the same thing.  Leadership stems in part from producing on the field (when players see you can get it done they get behind you).  So even if you have good leadership traits you have to grow into being an on the field leader.

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Buctor's picture

The blue tooth thing probably applies to autos too.  Does anyone know for sure?  Did not see in article, but may have missed it.  That one seems more inconvenient than many of the others.  And waiting to turn on after leaving a parking lot is dangerous.  

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blueblazer22's picture

I saw nothing in the article as pertains to cars, which is one of the few times I use Bluetooth myself. Basically assume that someone can attack everything you have that is computerized it seems. 

Joe Burrow has been a good soldier, and he has been in the system for years now. But do we know that he would be a good leader? Not saying he wouldn't, but is there something that shows he would be better than Haskins or Martell?

68% win probability over ttun is not nearly high enough in Columbus, but whatever. Just beat the snot out of the Nits in Unhappy Valley and watch out for Purdue and maybe Nebraska. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I have always chuckled over these percentages.  They are based on nothing and can never be proven true or false.  That game will be played one time meaning Ohio State will win it 100% of the time or 0%.  68% would only make sense if it was played 100 times.  My advantage here is that I understand how numbers work.  These new fangled fake ESPN stats are conning the masses.

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Dillon G's picture

Christian Hackenberg was the best practice player of all time. I'm not sure that matters too much. Yes, you have to bust your ass. Practice is where you get ahead.

#walkaway

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WorthyBuck's picture

Kinda.  For us it three lay-ups, one good opponent (PSU) and two solid but ultimately outmatched opponents (MSU/UM).  With us it’s one of the 2-3 best divisions, but I do not see that tough of a road. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I was thinking the same thing.  Ohio State’s advantage is that they don’t have to play Ohio State.  Good luck to Rutgers though.

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TShell's picture

That may be true, that it isn't such a tough road for the Buckeyes. But, the same could be said for, say, Alabama, or Clemson too. They don't have to play themselves. And they are already on top of the pyramid.

Look at it from the perspective of Indiana or Maryland. Last year, they weren't really bad. They were decent to good depending on which criteria you prefer. But they have to play PSU, MSU, Michigan, and OSU every year. That's an awfully tough ladder to climb if they want to get to the top. Then add in that every few years they will get stuck with a Wisconsin, or maybe a rejuvenated Nebraska, or an Iowa that needs their regularly scheduled Ferentz COY season, then they are looking at a quick 5-6 losses and have to win every other game just to get to a low-tier bowl.

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DownEastBuck's picture

I hope these comments about the QB situation are just meant to be motivation for Haskins, that Urban is just saying these things to keep Haskins working and not letting him back off in practice because he thinks he has already won the starting job. No offense to any of the other QBs but Haskins arm is on a different level and I for one cant wait to see an offense where he sits back and slings the ball, and then the rock is handed off to what possibly could be the best tailback tandem in CFB.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Disconcerting if all 3 of our QBs have a confused look on their faces in practice. It prolly wont matter until the TCU or PSU games. But if we see our starting QB get rattled at Beaver Stadium its gonna be a long night.

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MichiBuck12's picture

If only we had a guy on the roster that has proven to be able to step into adverse circumstances in a hostile environment and calmly lead the team...

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

We had one last year but most of the fanbase was ready for him to leave. Be careful what you wish for.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

You should watch the Michigan game he was referring to, you might be surprised to see who lead the team to victory. It's a shame you apparently missed it live...

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Sounds like you are the one that missed it.  Looked like a team victory to me.  Great line blocking.  Key defensive stops.  JT bringing the team from 14 down back.  Heroics from Haskins.  Unbelievable catch by Mack.  No huge special teams gaffes.  I am sure you see where I am going with this, wasn't all Superhero Haskins...

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

It definitely wasn't. But none of that would have mattered if Haskins hadn't made that throw and Mack wouldn't have caught it. This is a hot take, but given the situation, I'd much rather have Haskins throwing that ball than J.T. Not that he couldn't have made it, I just don't think it would have been as likely. It was a DIME.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Yeah, we did have one last year, he came into a tough spot against TTUN and won us the game. Thats kinda my point. You said you were concerned about our quarterback being rattled in happy valley, and I pointed out that we have at least one guy on the roster that has proven he can step into a tough spot without getting rattled. I don't remember most of the fanbase being ready for Haskins to leave though.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Maybe it is the social scientist in me, but sample sizes matter.  I get it, without opportunities hard to do it regularly.  But it is annoying the way some have anointed him future Mr. Everything based on 44 collegiate passes.  BTW, I think Haskins wins the job and has a great season (odds are OSU doesn't win the title) and I think he leaves.  But we shall see...

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MichiBuck12's picture

I have been tempted to watch that TTUN documentary. Looks like the new version of Last Chance U. to me. Although I don't think Jim Harbaugh is quite as likeable as Buddy Stevens.

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cricejr's picture

I don't know that Stevens was all that likable....but I love the show. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't think he was either, thats kinda my point. Agreed that it was a great show. 

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I admittedly took a gander last night... my thoughts: 

Harbaugh is a very odd human. It’s not an act, he is just not anywhere near “normal”. 

In no shape or form is he a great motivator and seems extremely passive in his coaching of players. He also doesn’t seem to provide much insight in meetings (yes I understand the doc doesn’t show every second of the day). 

He does love his kids. Kudos for being a dad. 

I feel like he is regressing menatally in age. So as he gets older, his brain tells him he is younger. He acts like a timid 13 year old at fat camp. 

I love when Jim tells his players to not be scared and to get rid of scaredness before each game. Who says that? Buckeyes are not scared. Prepared and ready for the challenge ahead. Scared?!?!?!

Last but not least Winovich is another odd duck. Good player, but just eccentric in my opinion.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I wonder if its not so much age as it is failure that is causing him to regress mentally. The more things go wrong for him, the more "out there" he seems to get.

And telling people not to be scared when they weren't to begin with is a good way to make them scared.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Since Amazon decided to sponsor a documentary about TTUN, I'm thinking maybe it is a good idea to break that company up. Way too much monopoly power when they decide to throw their lot in with the dark underlords of Ann Arbor (that Ho). 

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earthpig's picture

We shall see..  Penn State is obvious..  I also agree about Purdue-they already have me worried.. These guys are going to have to bring their A game very week....

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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BucksHave7's picture

ESPN is commical.  No way is a team that replaces 8 defensive starters, the best RB in the country and top OC going to beat Urban with his most talented team ever.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I tend to agree. On the other hand it's Happy Valley

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Defiance's picture

On the other hand it's Not so Happy Valley

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Where OSU has won 4 of the last 5 and only failed to win the last one due to a couple of kick blocks.

Class of 2010.

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JTFor President2016's picture

True, but its not the quantity of losses, but the pain of the few. Sure we win there a lot, but I still remember 2005 as a death day. 3-2 start to the season, following a 8-4 season. That was ugly. I feel the same about Wisconsin. We seem to always beat them but they terrify me because I remember 2003 and 2010. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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PRO8's picture

I'm actually more worried about East Lansing, they are going to want payback for the thumping they took in the Shoe. PSU is a close 2nd after that TCU.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

They almost beat us there in 2014 with our roster of NFL players and them starting walkons on the OL. Theres strange voodoo there.

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BucksHave7's picture

Rewatch the game film. We dominated entire game except for the last 4 minutes. Urban won’t make 2 back to back special teams blunders again.  If you take last years 2 teams, maybe the Home Field adv for PSU makes it interesting. But even PSU fans k ow 2018 is not their year.  They were a senior laden team last year. 

Btw: I’m curious what espn said about PSU win % every of its games.  Is PSU expected to run the table then?   I still say PSU loses 3-4 games.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I've always said, the happy valley white out is worth about 14 points to them. Crazy shit happens in the white out. They have had no business beating us a handful of times there. And even in games that the Buckeyes have completely dominated have been way too close. 

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JTFor President2016's picture

I was there in '16 and during player intros I looked at my dad and said "We ain't in Cbus anymore". It's an animal. For those that haven't been there imagine this. Remember how loud it was when Samuel beat UM?? Beaver Stadium gets that loud when they tackle us for a 3 yard gain. Okay, maybe a slight exaggeration, but not much of one. Being there in '16 made me appreciate JT 100 times more for what he did in OT in '14. 

Not knocking OSU fans at all. But generally when the starters are announced on the PA system, the best players get clapped for. At Penn State, the stadium shakes when their Left Guard gets introduced. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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BrutusB's picture

You're thinking of the '16 game where they had the fluke FG block return.  In '14 their team was still sanction-struck and almost beat us before Barrett/Bosa dominated OT.

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IGotAWoody's picture

That 2014 game was a bit of a sloppy, low scoring affair. We were dominating them and then let them back into the game late, as they scored 17 unanswered to tie it at 17. Then JTBIV went to work, and a legend was born.

But we did shut down their run game, holding them to just 16 yds and 240 total yards of offense.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Not coming off a night game in Madison the week prior with Penn State coming off a bye should help matters too.

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JTFor President2016's picture

True but we also got maybe the worst review (up there with Ward's ejection review) of all-time to go our way which lead to a quick 7 points and calm us down. But definitely agree that they won't be great. Same goes for TCU. Both senior laden teams that will take a step back this year. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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BucksHave7's picture

PSU returning starters talent level compared to last year is a big drop off.  That is what I base my opinion on for this years game. 

Map is PSU favored in every game according to ESPN?  

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Defiance's picture

All I keep thinking about is Iowa... FN Hawkeyes anyways! That game was a heart breaker from the very first offensive play!

My point is when you travel to any stadium in the B1G, there's ALWAYS a chance that things don't go your way, Happy Valley or otherwise.

Point well taken regarding Purdue this year too. I'm trying to make that my away game this year to go see tOSU play some football and I'm hoping like hell I'm leaving West Lafayette with a smile on my face and a song in y Scarlet & Gray heart!!

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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hetuck's picture

1.TTUN's perdition, currently 2326 days, will continue. 

2. For a TTUN documentary titled "All or Nothing", it should end with a large graphic "NOTHING."

3. For more on mob influence in Ohio, I refer you to Joe Blundo's excellent column from Sunday's Dispatch.

http://www.dispatch.com/entertainmentlife/20180408/joe-blundo-history-of...

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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RBuck's picture

Thank for the link but viewing it reminded me why I did away with My online subscription to the Dispatch. Their layout is terrible.

Sooner or later it all gets real.

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IGotAWoody's picture

I pretty much stopped reading their content when they paywalled all of it.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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nrobinsonpe's picture

Reading the Skull Session on the toilet is my ritual.  Please don't invite anyone Michigan to be a part of it.

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Hovenaut's picture

Amazon Prime spelled differently reads "maize proman".

It's a pass on that program for me. 

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John Cooper's lucky pig's picture

You're Maize Proman, the Sausage King of Chicago?

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Hovenaut's picture

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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TMac's picture

Who's the real MVP?

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

MVP voting is a joke. LeBron should have won like the last 8 of 10. If you had one game to win this year, nobody is taking Harden over James.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Lebron is so good that if another player has a Year that’s remotely close that player will get the MVP. It’s the Ferentz Effect.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Nice job TMac - as they say - "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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cricejr's picture

If you included the number of made 3s, then you would see why people are jockign Harden.  "Chicks love the long ball" has never been truer in hoops. 

Harden 262

James 146

But even then Bron shoots 36.7% 3s vs 36.6 fort Harden, he just keeps chucking them up. 

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Go1Bucks's picture

Burrow's arm as good as Haskins, consistency, the leadership skills and was backup before injury. I'd say he's the man to beat.

Go Buckeyes!

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melbournebuckeye30's picture

As well as a much better running option.

melbournebuckeye30

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GunnerBuck's picture

I’d say you’re incorrect on every aspect you mentioned. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Going to have disagree with all that. He was never appointed as the backup that season before the injury.

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lamplighter's picture

Very interesting to speculate on what would have happened last year without the fracture.  I thought that Burrow was penciled in as the back up, but don't recall exactly.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Burrow was the backup the previous season, so he certainly had a leg up. And I think he was the presumptive leader at that moment. That doesn’t diminish Haskins. He’s just been the beneficiary of Burrow’s injury. And I agree he has the better arm. Lots of live arms out there though. Now we find out if he can excel at the other aspects of playing QB. 

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LB U's picture

What I've been saying this entire time on all these QB articles, DJ. People destroyed me for saying that. He was never given the back-up job prior to his injury.. People on here like to say he did for some reason.

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IGotAWoody's picture

People say that because Burrow had been the backup the season before. Calling him the presumptive backup would be accurate - plus, Meyer had already been talking about Burrow being the backup (since he was the prior season's backup), and that Haskins had a lot of work to do to move up in the pecking order.

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GunnerBuck's picture

I just don’t see ya losing to Penn St when they basically lost every major weapon they had on offense and their OC. 

Maybe because I don’t have faith in Franklins ability to recoup or “reload” or I don’t have as much in-depth knowledge of their roster but outside of Sanders, they’re going to hurt for new playmakers. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Perhaps, these two things give me pause: McSporely moxie. James Franklin obvi sold his soul to the Devil.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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BTBuckeye's picture

Ramzy, prince of darkness. Good stuff my man. Dang it....

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Looks like a lot of malaise in that maize and blue locker room

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aboynamedtracy's picture

We all saw the Iowa trap game coming last season, but somehow the team did not. Can we perhaps communicate our concerns re: Purdue to the good guys so history doesn't repeat? 

Also, I'm more concerned about @ Sparty than @ PSU. 

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GABuckeye's picture

I'd bet a large sum of money that OSU is favored in every game.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Correct. If the Vegas bookmakers set a moneyline on Ohio State at PSU - today, 200 days or whatever before the game - they would calculate the line based on Ohio State being about 0.65 to win. And, yes, they would be fully aware of the Happy Valley factor.

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Seattle Linga's picture

That FUDGE clip is pretty good - thanks for posting.

Prolly not the word you'd hear in most press boxes across the country.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

"And we already know Meyer doesn't need a quarterback with a golden arm to win football games" 

Maybe not, but we need one to beat the elite teams...

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

A documentary entitled "All or Nothing" that ends with a fourth place BIG East finish, another loss to Ohio State, and an epic Outback Bowl collapse. Hilarious!

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tampatom's picture

Simulation games for next year without knowing who the players are at skilled positions, impact of injuries, etc. Waste of time and meaningless other than getting us to comment

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cricejr's picture

Whatever Barrett did and didn't do against opponents on gameday, on the practice field he got the offense ready to go as one of the best practice players that Meyer has ever seen. A quarterback like that helps the whole offense prepare and allows a coach to feel good walking off the practice field."

This is what the JT Sucks crowd doesn't understand. This guy meant so much more to this team as a leader than any under/overthrown pass. 

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JoeAndSo's picture

I only watched the episode of that series that dealt with the Ohio State game. It's all I cared about.  The best part was the conversation they caught of the defense when Barret went down.

"Who they Backup?"

"Number 7"

"Lets get him"

or something like that. I was laughing too much at how wrong they were to remember the exact wording.

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

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GunnerBuck's picture

Gary said something like “oh we gunna get to him”. 

I laughed entirely too much at the end of that episode when multiple people said they’d never won a game against Ohio St. 

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brutus360's picture

I’m searching for a camera as soon as I get off this pot!

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sonofbuck's picture

Watched part of episode 7 of the fichigan show on Amazon, enjoyed the tears so much I watched episode 8. After reading the Youngstown story I now know more about the reasons my Old Man, who grew up there, held unions, italians and Democrats in such low esteem, lol. He also always told me my Grandfather was the only Youngstown city official to die a poor man

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Page Turner's picture

Grew up near Youngstown.  Parts store next to our apartment was owned by an oversized Italian fellow with a big Chrysler, big cigars and a hot wife.  He was rumored to run numbers, loan shark, and there were after hours card games in the basement.  

Back in the Bowie Kuhn reign as commissioner of MLB, a Youngstown businessman wanted to purchase the then available Chicago White Sox.  He was refused because he would have been an absentee owner, with the underlying being the ties to organized crime.  He later went on the purchase the 49ers and Penguins.

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He Who Cannot Be Named?

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sonofbuck's picture

My Old Man always said DeBartolo was crooked

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

"West Lafayette is another den of blood magic, and like Happy Valley is as regal as a McDonald's parking lot in Tuscaloosa at 2:20 a.m. on a Tuesday."

Could not agree more that there is some serious negative juju emanating from that cosmic black hole that hosts white outs in unHappy Valley. And here's hoping the Joe Tiller-less dog patch along the banks of the Wabash River (Keith Jackson did not make this famous for good reasons) has lost its mojo against the Buckeyes, even with a new coach who looks to be the real deal.

My only editorial suggestion to a near perfect sentence would be to have substituted a Krystal parking lot in Tuscaloosa versus the McDonald's, cause some crazy-ass-shit things happen when Bama fans and Krystal get together.

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JoeAndSo's picture

I feel like the 93% against Nebraska is far too high.  Even with it at home I see Scott Frost turning that team around.

"¯\_(ツ)_/¯"  - Joey Bosa

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Scott Frost will once and for all prove if Nebraska can regain national relevancy despite sitting in the middle of a recruiting desert.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Only beating PSU 48% of the time?  FOH.  They are losing so many guys and the OC that made that offense run.  I'd put our chances in the 70s.  It is Happy Valley and things can happen, but OSU hasn't had that much trouble winning in that building over the past decade and a half.  It took lots of things happening to lose there two years ago, in a game that OSU dominated 85% of.

Purdue and Nebraska are trap games for me.  OSU has had their share of issues in Ross-Ade since the turn of the millennium...maybe they exorcised those demons in 2013 with that 56-0 win there...Purdue is a much better team now than they were then, though.  And Nebraska is the one that really makes me nervous.  I think Scott Frost can turn them around...wake the sleeping giant, if you will.  Think we'll be seeing a lot of Nebraska in the B1GCG in the coming years.  

Class of 2010.

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avail31678's picture

Nebraska v. Wisconsin in the West should be a good game for the B1G in the years to come.

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JTFor President2016's picture

I wonder if Austin Mack and Bin Victor will have any impact on the QB decision. If they, or one, turns into a Michael Thomas, then obviously having Haskins on the field could lead to a great combination. But if it’s again 6 receivers who show inconsistencies, then would Meyer opt for Burrow/Martell, so that the QB isn’t useless when the receivers play like #2? Of course you could make the argument that Haskins could maybe make the receivers better. 

I think Haskins can give a guy like Mack (a more traditional receiver) opportunity to shine. Running traditional routes wasn’t featured with JT as much as finding soft spots in zones. That said, the routes he was running in the limited time OSU tried against USC was impressive. He was making a fool of their DB’s. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Still trying to hear what O'korn was saying in the clip - sounds like "suspensions man"

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

He said, let’s go gentleman and then nobody followed him, hahahhaha!

Get dumped then

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks Ann Arbor - to your credit - you were a little closer to him than I was.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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741's picture

False. A hipster would never be caught dead in Panera.

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Sir Beard's picture

So I just moved to Canfield in July. I'm from Columbus, but my wife is from austintown, she talked me into moving here, blah blah blah. Anyway, my point is that Youngstown is.......different than Columbus. Very. Different. Reading that article freaked me out, I won't lie. I was just at that giant eagle and jay's hot dogs today! Shit, man. And from my small time here, it's clear that the mob hasn't gone anywhere. But at least The Vest is here, which brings me great comfort. 

attempting to be an adult

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