Keep fighting Joe. May the best QB win! I'm sure he has a huge chip on his shoulder. I remember when he looked so good that some wondered if he would beat out JT.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
He wins because he is a fan of Buckeye Donuts best damn donuts in the land!!!!BDDITL....OH babyyyyy
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Doing what he should do. He wanted to be a Buckeye, an unfortunate injury puts him behind the 8-ball and Haskins flourished when he had the chance.
I don't care who it is, may the best man win. Good luck JB!
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I suspect Haskins will win the job. But I've definitely been wrong before in these situations. And I don't know why anyone would assume at this point, in March, the competition is over.
Also, why would someone tweet this stuff to/at him (old folks like me don't entirely understand how Twitter works)? Scratch that: why would you tweet something to/at a player you don't know at all? WTF is wrong with people?
Nope, I'd say you understand Twitter completely. I'm a big fan of Twitter but still ask "WTF is wrong with people" everytime I sign in...
A little is better than nada, sometimes you want the whole enchilada
The internet is a mask that lets very small people feel very big.
"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE
Hit the nail right on the head there. When I drove truck, we had a saying there goes a another cb Rambo.... Talking shit on the radio to anybody without the worry of getting smacked around a little doing it face to face. But when you see the person face to face they are sooo nice. Same thing on the net, just another word for CB Rambo.
Even further......why would you tweet, at all, ever? I have a voice now syndrome.
my tweets primarily consist of retweeting 11W and 1stOB....you know, so the 5 random people from HS that actually check Twitter can see how awesome OSU and CBJ are
Oh the irony... posting a comment on the interwebs wondering why anyone would post on the interwebs.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
Here's how it works: create a fake account and ask/encourage him to leave Ohio State. Then come back as a fan of another team and tell him how much more he'd be appreciated at your school. It's like the Aerosmith video where some kid calls a sex talk line and thinks he's got some sexy babe on the line when in reality he's talking to some old crank in curlers who's ironing while whispering sweet nothings into his ear.
Not everyone on the Internet is who they pretend to be.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
Who is this Rorschach guy and why does he paint so many pictures of my parents fighting?
Fans of other programs would love to see him leave..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
I think he wins the spot. Burrow is the best combination of accuracy and the ability to run/scramble. Don't forget, he was listed as the first backup to JT last year before he got injured. Haskins deserves all the praise people have given him and his performance against Michigan will not be forgotten, however I believe Joe Burrow's skillset is what is the most optimal for this team.
If Burrow wins the spot, it will be interesting to see what happens with Martell.
"I may not be able to outsmart too many people, but I can outwork 'em." ~Woody Hayes
If what Martell says is true about different packages to get him in, then the question might become what does Haskin's do. I really don't think we can go wrong with any of them right now. I'm looking forward to seeing the spring game. I was watching the video recap of practice yesterday. It looked like Burrow has a really quick release and strong arm. Martell looks like he has improved too.
Just want them all to be healthy and give it their best shot...no concern at all who ends up 1 or 2...plus Tate will get some PT as well.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Don't forget, he was listed as the first backup to JT last year before he got injured.
I see this written pretty much every time Burrow is mentioned in conversation for the quarterback battle, and it confuses me every single time. Burrow and Haskins were still battling for the backup position when Burrow got injured, and there is no empirical data to suggest that one was clearly ahead of the other. And if you further take coaches comments into context, it would be fair to assume they were going to use the Army and UNLV games to solidify who the backup would have been had Burrow not been injured.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
He was the backup the previous year and he appeared to have the edge heading into 2017 fall camp.
After Burrow’s injury, Haskins displayed his arm strength on a few occasions and led the team to the win in The Game.
But there is nothing “empirical” to suggest Haskins will start either. For fans, we extrapolate from a few plays of game experience. From what I’ve seen, both QBs bring a lot to the table, so I’m not pulling for one guy. I’m pulling for THE guy - whoever the coaches think that is.
we (all) should be 'pulling' for OHIO STATE!
(and I'm sure most are)...
15-1 is SWEET!
I don’t know how you can take from my comment that I’m rooting harder for Haskins or that there is any evidence to support he is already the starter. My only point was there is this sort of mythology on this site that Burrow was penciled in as the backup before he was injured last fall, and that’s simply not true.
For what it's worth, I absolutely believe Burrow would have been the backup last year had he not broken his hand. I also believe that if Barrett would have gone down with a season ending injury towards the beginning of the season, it would have been Burrow that took over for the remainder, even if Haskins was technically listed as No. 2
"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM
I had a question since you guys get inside info. Why if what you suspect is true did they go with Haskins over Burrow in The Game? I don't know if anyone ever asked Urban that or not but my understanding was Burrow was healthy and good-to-go. I think I saw that Meyer even considered burning TM's redshirt in that game, which to me is serious mixed signals.
To me its clear haskins remained No. 2 after the JB injury because he had gotten the in game reps throughout the season and showed to be plenty capable in that role. As for the Martell stuff...staff is doing their best to keep him interested and engaged because they dont want him to leave dressing the 4th string qb that is redshirting and taking him on road games...we'll see if baldwin tags along for roadies this year.
I never said you’re pulling for Haskins. I just offered my perspective. And I think Burrow had an edge to be the backup heading into 2017. That doesn’t mean Haskins would not have over taken him. It was just the situation at that moment.
Other than he was listed as the #2 QB up to the injury, you're right.
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
That is completely false. Not one article or depth chart had Burrow as the clear cut backup quarterback and Haskins as the third stringer before Burrow’s injury.
The Joe Burrow fanboys will not be swayed by the truth.. they have an agenda and will stick to it, even though it isn't accurate.
Regardless, it doesn't matter who was what last season.. what matters now is which QB will be the starter this fall.. (HINT: His name isn't Joe)
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
"Your opinion is different than mine and is clearly wrong. Therefore, you must have some kind of agenda and your non-group think will not be tolerated" /s
You're such an asshole.
Very mature to personally attack someone you have never met with juvenile name calling...just because you don't agree with a message board post they made. (The irony is thick) Kudos to you, you must be a happy person. And sorry you can't stand the fact that Joe was never listed as the clear #2 QB and Haskins #3 last season. That's just make believe, never happened, they were always co-backups before Joe's injury, but hey.. keep pursuing that false narrative.
Like I said, it really doesn't matter anyway what the depth chart was in 2016/17.. what matters now is who will be the starter this fall. Swing and miss, try harder next time.
"The Joe Burrow fanboys will not be swayed by the truth.. they have an agenda and will stick to it, even though it isn't accurate."
One might say you are a member of the DH "fanboys" with an agenda.
What is the truth? There is an open competition for the starting QB position. Anything else is just pure opinion/conjecture as to who will win. Respect everyones opinion and please refrain from childish arguments, name calling and the like. We are are all Buckeye fans, its not about who is right and who is wrong (opinion). We all want the team to succeed.
See you in Indy! B1G!
Was thinking the exact same thing. One great game does not automatically move you to the top of the pecking order. I seem to remember a certain backup having the game of his life against Purdue yet no one called for him to become the starter.
Not entirely true. There were definitely people calling for Kenny G to be the starter after that.
Over XBrax!? Geez we’re a fickle bunch.
We are indeed. However, it shouldn't really surprise you, Braxton always had his detractors who said he was better suited as a tailback or in the slot. Truth be told, it was his legs that always stole the show.
Be that as it may, he was hands down the best player on the field and deserved to have the ball in his hands every snap. Also, he was just damn fun to watch.
It’s been said Hyde should’ve at least had the ball, on 4th and short with the B1G Title game on the line. But I get your overall point!
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
It wasn't even a "great game". It was a quarter and a half, with one memorable 15 yard pass due to a GREAT catch by Austin Mack After that were to bad throws on 15 yard passes. The other 4 completions were a swing pass and three 4 yard completions on crossing routes that the WR turned into long gains.
Best possible scenario for OSU: 1. Burrows is the starter, has a fantastic season, leads the Bucks to the NC, and goes to the NFL. 2. Haskins is the starter in 2019, has a fantastic season, leads the Bucks to the NC, and goes to the NFL. 3. Martell is the starter in 2020, has a fantastic season, leads the Bucks to the NC, and goes to the NFL. 4. 2021 ????? THINK BIG.
If that all happens, then everyone here will be happy... until 2021, when a significant portion of the commentariat will STILL be questioning Meyer's choice of a QB.
LOL. You are probably right.
You may be wrong. It's highly likely the folks (not sure how to describe these folks politely) would question the starter all of those years. And you can absolutely be sure they would pounce if there is a loss. And of course that applies to whichever one is the starter.
Good luck to all three. My greatest hope is that all remain healthy both now and well into old age.
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
I'm OFTEN wrong (but NEVER in doubt). In this case, I'm not suggesting that the fan base would be happy as each season progressed, jsut that they'd be happy at teh end of those three years. (until spring practice)
Who is Burrows?
Sorry about that, Burrow.
He’s the QB with the most years in the program out of this group. He is a coaches son who has a terrific football IQ. He is a very accurate passer who can also run the ball efficiently. He is a great student at The Ohio State University. He is the one busting his ass off to become the future QB at The Ohio State University and he is doing it with class because he has to read critical comments like yours from so called fans. He’s a kid trying to make his dreams come true because he came to Ohio State to become a Buckeye. My question is who is The Rill Dill? Go Bucks
He still doesn’t have an S on the end of his name. I am THE rill dill.
I guess that will be fine. Lol.
I like the way you think, Horvath. Assembly-line UNCs.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
This article shows what Urban Meyer has brought to Ohio State Football, our backup QB's would be starters at most of the SEC and at any of the other B1G schools.
BrutusBuckeye95 - Champions bleed scarlet and gray
So does Purdue...
That is fucking hysterical, mostly because it is so true.
A few quotes from Joe. Nice in light of all the buzz that is and will continue to be regarding the Buckeye QB position question. Good luck Joe Burrow! Go BUCKS!
IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.
It'll be interesting to see how Urban splits up the Qbs in the spring game. Obviously Joe and Dwayne get split up, but what do they do with Tate? Have him play the whole 2nd half like an all time QB?
Let the 4th man up play the second half opposite Martell. I'd say Texas has been productive for us, and let's see what he can do against the Bullets.
I'd assume the Frosh isn't going to be available for the spring game. He hasn't even been throwing. I know we have a walk on QB or 2, but whats the point in that.
This is why these guys get scholarships to OSU. They compete until the very end. This is going to be a fun spring game.
THE University of Dayton
I can't find the write up but wasn't Burrow lights out at last year's spring game?
Burrow finished 14-22 for 262 yards and 3 TD's, while Haskins finished 26-37 for 293 yards and 3 TD's.
This is another thing. Burrow was the guy throwing the ball down the field more in the spring game, but everyone talks about DH's cannon arm. Burrow's arm might not be quite as strong but it is right there
arm strength may be more important in the sideline throws on an out pattern than throwing downfield.
I’m with you on this. A young qb can really benefit from velocity. It buys back a fraction of a second after a slow read. DH and 12 gauge put extremely high velocity balls into tight windows in some big games, sometimes because they had to
If Burrows can match that velocity, then good luck Joe!
For me, my heart of hearts wants a tall qb with a big arm that lets us fans see what Wilson/Day can do with a pass forward qb. Martell looks amazing but we’d all see another 4 years of read option - most likely.
burrow got 2 touchdowns off of busted coverage
Burrow also showed an uncanny ability to throw the deep ball in last years spring game. He has fantastic touch and angles the ball to arrive where only his guy can get it.
He had 3 TDs, all of which were over 35 yards down the field.
Some of that was probably the secondary taking its lumps, but the kid can spin it with the best of them IMO.
Admittedly I've been more of a Haskins slappy, siding more on the Haskins side of the scale than on the Burrow side. But it is indeed a sliding scale, and when I look back on what Burrow did in the state championship game as far as slinging it all over the field, I'm not foolish enough to count him out! Ultimately I'll be happy with whoever takes the job because I know the offense will be in good hands regardless; that includes Tate Martell. I absolutely love where we're at as a program.
The Buckeye behind enemy lines...
I like Joe, I really do but I don’t see it happening for him here. Yes he was injured and lost his spot but he never seemed to challenge for it again after he was healthy the rest of the way and instead of making sure he was ready to go the staff went all in on getting Haskins those in game reps when they could have divided them up a little more equally. Now, perhaps the staff felt that Joe didn’t need the reps that Haskins did but wouldn’t that mean he was better prepared to be the back up....but never got to BE the back up once the season started? Either way it goes down I wish Joe nothing but good fortune either here or at his next destination if he chooses to leave.
You DO NOT know if Burrow "never seemed to challenge for it again". Unless you're an Ohio State coach or player, who saw every practice.
This is what we DO know. Burrow didn't practice for weeks due to his broken hand. Therefore Haskins got ALL of the reps with the 2nd unit. Unless there was a HUGE difference between 2 and 3, when 2 is injured, no coach in his right mind is going to have that QB with that hasn't practiced for 2 months all of a sudden become the back up and go into the Michigan game when JT was injured.
This is a new season, Haskins played a one quarter+ of significance last year. The reason there IS a QB competition is because Urban knows that NOW there is little difference between Haskins and Burrow. What no one knows is which of the 2 is the most competitive, has the most toughness, is the better leader, has the highest football IQ, which is best at extending a play. ALL of which are more important to Urban than arm strength/arm talent. BTW, Burrow's arm strength is on a par with Haskins.
Think about it, IF urban knew that Haskins was the better QB. He would have told Burrow after the Bowl game to take immediate advantage of being a grad transfer with 2 years of eligibility left and start looking for the best place to transfer to, instead of making him wait until May.
I do remember after Burrow came back early and throwing, Urban praise him for his toughness. We all know how much Urban loves toughness so I felt Joe was not on outside looking in.
Get ur panties out of a bunch bro. The key word is “seemed.” Because if he DID challenge for it then he lost, which is even more significant. Either way trying to equate going into The Big House and playing from behind and winning with regular old game reps in a blowout or spring game reps. It’s not the same thing. If the coaching staff was concerned with Joe’s eligibility (and I have no reason to believe they were not) then it stands to reason that the moment he was ready to go after the injury that that they would have evaluated him in terms of his place in the pecking order. Whether they did or did not, he remained firmly behind Haskins the rest of the way.
I agree with everything you said, but Burrow doesn't graduate until May, so he can't leave and could use practice time and the facilities either way.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Just because Burrow graduates in May doesn't mean he couldn't be doing research on what schools needed QBs. Who are the QBs in their pipeline?. What are the head coaches like? What is the QB coach like? What about the O-coordinator? What about the WRs? What about the O-line? Wait until May to inquire and a new QB at a school could have made a claim to the job. Starting research in January, having assistant coach Dad make some calls. Could make all the difference in the world,
To all those saying Haskins is the guy because of the Michigan game-- would Burrow be the guy right now had Haskins hada poor performance against Michigan?? Just askin'... I really don't think one appearance by Haskins should have sent Burrow packing... I give the kid a lot of credit- he's a "Competitor", and he's backed that up by staying... and we all know where that fits into Urban's QB requirements.
I like Joe's chances...
...and OSU's with this stable of QB's.
quite possibly yes, actually.
Overall the bodies of work for each are pretty even. Haskins has gotten more throws in. both are in the 70% completion area in limited time. Haskins has more turnovers but higher yards per attempt.
Both are essentially in the same spot. 1 year of full No. 2 QB duties. Both played well enough to be relatively comfortable with either being the guy. And Michigan is a star that Burrow doesn't have. not that Burrow couldn't have done the exact same thing. or perhaps even better (though that'd be tough). But it is real live action in the biggest of spots in a game in which the offense and QB wasn't clicking almost at all - and that essentially changed the moment Haskins found Mack on 3rd and long.
I don't see the need for fans to be entrenched in the Haskins camp or the Burrow camp. The competition between the two (and Martell) is real and the team will know who their No. 1 QB should be.
I'm in the camp of "whoever the Bucks start at BQ" camp.
Or even QB. HAHA
Here's a quote about Ryan Day about that: "Well, Joe, if you really followed it from last preseason, he had a great preseason. He really was coming on toward the end and he broke his hand. So that really hurt him in terms of his development early on last season. And then you kind of get into the rhythm of the season, well now his hand is better and so now he’s working in the offseason to get stronger, and now he’s going to go after this thing."
Basically, it sounds like it wasn't so much him "not challenging" for the job as much as it was they didn't want to have a backup quarterback competition in the middle of the season.
It's hard not to root for this kid... then again it's hard not to root for all three.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
I myself think he wins out. He knows the system and has played well when given the opportunity.
I don't understand and never will why someone would tweet at a college athlete negative comments especially if the person tweeting is an adult. I don't have twitter and would never send someone a negative message.
Being a backup in Urban Meyer's QB-run-first offense is a near guarantee that he'll see the field at some point.
Go get em Joe.
Pulling for you to get the QB start.
The thing I hate most about Twitter is it allows the true meat-headed idiots a forum to show how meat headed they are. I mean seriously, how shitty and pathetic must your life be if you are messaging a 20-year old college kid asking him where he's going to play quarterback? The worst part of it is most of these turds are probably OSU fans. If Joe does leave part of it will be because he doesnt want to deal with those jackasses on Twitter anymore.
That's exactly why I will not join Twitter. Got fed up with Facebook for the same reasons. A lot of folks really do not engage their brains before starting to type.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I'm on Facebook for silly puns and (mostly) grandbaby pictures. Trying to have a logical discussion though is fruitless.
Sounds kinda like the commentary on sports blogs...you know, from other schools...not this one, of course!
The thing I hate most about Twitter is it allows the true meat-headed idiots a forum to show how meat headed they are.
Hey, let's not disparage meatheads. They're just idiots.
Agree 100 %. Its awful in taste and character. I believe a true fan doesn't mad mouth a college athlete. Have I been frustrated as a fan at times_yes. But I would never verbally attack them on the internet.
"But I would never verbally attack them on the internet"
Or in person because, you know, they're college athletes lol.
Changing schools isn't going to remedy the jackass to Twitter comment ratio, so to speak. Those people exist everywhere. Not to alarm anyone but we live among them.
Best of Luck and lit it up Joe
"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM
Again, I hark back to the 2014 season. The Bucks would've been in deep trouble at QB if the three-deep roster wasn't in place. I'd hate to see Joe Burrow leave TOSU if he doesn't get the starting job this season. Things can easily go south if the cupboard is bare. They need depth at that position if for no other reason than an insurance policy for the injury bug. Haskins, Burrow, Martell... any of them are just a ding away from being replaced.
Say it ain't so, Joe. The Bucks need you.
If it is REAL close between Haskins and Burrow. THE best thing for the TEAM would be Burrow at QB. Haskins, doesn't have enough credits to be a grad transfer....yet. IF the starter goes down, would you rather have Haskins come in or Martel? Martel would mean a considerable change in the offense to take advantage of his talents. .
Should be burrow's 2nd shot at open competition for the starting job...but competition wasn't on Meyer's mind a year ago.
No fan knows whether that’s true. In fact, it’s in the interest of Meyer, Wilson, and Day to play the QB who gives them the best chance to win. We don’t know what the players do in practice, but GAs and quality control assistants chart EVERYTHING the quarterbacks do. The coaches know.
The circumstances aren't remotely similar - last year there was a 3-year returning record-setting starter, and this year there is a returning backup who had a truly excellent quarter plus in The Game (after winning a tight battle for the backup slot when his competition broke his hand).
that returning starter and in many ways the entire offense was poo poo the last 3 games of the 2016 season culminating in a 31-0 embarrassment and for a coach that praises and appears to crave competition at every corner it was a missed opportunity to show trust in the younger players and the level at which he recruits.
Said another way...say JT was granted a 6th year of eligibility and was back again for 2018...the starting job wouldn't be open again? Burrow and Haskins just keep sitting? the QB job would be JT's for perpetuity?
Oh, I'm not saying that the circumstances going into 2017 didn't warrant a competition, but merely that those in 2018 are so vastly different that what Meyer did in one case wouldn't be predictive of the other. His trust in Barrett had grown over three years (warranted or not), and Barrett fit the model Meyer was looking for - good runner and great leader, even if not an elite passer. I don't see that a quarter plus of performance by Haskins is enough to engender the trust (and loyalty) from Meyer that would keep him from having a truly open competition this year.
I don't know for sure, but everyone talks about arm strength, and if I'm not mistaken didn't Joe Burrow throw the second furthest ball at half time of last years spring game, let me know if I'm wrong
Your not wrong
I’d be extremely happy with either dh or jb in there. But haskins is battle tested in a huge game on the road against a top ten defense.
Burrows looks awesome too. I just don’t have a memory of him really zipping one in there in a game situation. But I’m often wrong.
May the best qb win.
2018 Heisman Trophy winner, Joe "the truth" Burrow, is the best. He will start for sure.
No matter how this all turns out, Joe Burrow will be fine.
I remain a fan.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
But nearly three months later, Burrow is still a Buckeye for one simple reason: he believes he's the best quarterback on the roster and feels he's being given a fair shot to prove it
Nothing against Burrow, may the best man win but that is not the one simple reason he is still a Buckeye. He graduates in May and needs to stay here at least through graduation when opportunities will be opened to him leaving. Didn't Meyer talk to him and his family about trying his best to let them know where he stands after the spring and before fall camp to give him the option of finding a place to play if he was still buried on the depth chart? That being said, I hope he's a Buckeye come September
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
I think Joe may be a better option read QB but Dwayne has the cannon arm. This may be the most intensely watched QB battle in recent years.
What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!
I love that he's battling, competing. But then again, why wouldn't he be? Though, if he doesn't win the starting job, I don't think I could look Burrow in the face and argue that he should stick around just in case. Even if he doesn't win out, he is still way too talented to miss more time and opportunity to develop those skills towards the next level.
I think he's the most complete, experienced, and has the best grasp of the offense of the three QBs. Haskins has a great arm and great poise and character, but not as solid a runner. Martell has huge potential in both areas, but is hugely lacking in experience and I can't wrap my head around him being handed the keys to the offense with zero snaps under his belt, when there are two guys that have seen experience and are just as good or better. And most of the talk on Martell is about his legs. I've seen Burrow handle things well on both sides (good runner, makes good reads, accurate passer with a strong arm). But all said, with two experienced tailbacks and a fleet of experienced wideouts, I think Haskins is the best guy for making use of the weapons we have.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Everyone talks about "arm strength/arm talent"(cannon arm) being the single most important factor in determining who will win the QB job. EXCEPT Urban Meyer, who has always said that competitiveness, toughness, leadership, football IQ and the ability to extend a play is 1 through 5 in importance, arm strength/arm talent is #6.
Nick Foles and Tom Brady were in the Super Bowl. Two pro style spread teams and plenty of RPOs from Foles.
The arm has to be strong enough though but after that it stops being that big of a deal.
YES... only the grinder and all nfl teams except the Browns...rate decision making and accuracy as paramount.
Exactly correct. The five traits Ryan Day looks for in a quarterback, at any level of development are: leadership, competitiveness, toughness, football IQ and just a natural comfort with the football (that doesn't mean he's a polished passer by any means). That's why it's also a myth that Ohio State is favoring more pro style quarterbacks in recruiting now, because that's not even really what they're looking at.
Ok then if that’s the list, Dh has checked those boxes(once) in a come from behind win over the rival, on the road, thus preserving a Conference championship. Burrows simply hasn’t had that opportunity in occasional mop up duty.
Question: Can Burrows unseat him with amazing practices and one spring game?
I have no idea if Mr Burrows is better than the other 2 guys. it will be interesting to see how he reacts to big game pressure. As great as JT was, this was a big knock on him
I trust the coaches and I definitely think any one of these guys has an amazing ceiling.
"Question: Can Burrows unseat him with amazing practices and one spring game? "
I don't know who this is (walk on?) but Joe Burrow definitely has a chance.
Lol, yup my spell corrector went there. But maybe that’s a bigger point, nobody really knows what Burrow or Burrows would do in a big game. Yet there are a few who think he’s the man based on high school film , spring games and mop up playing time. That’s my pointS.
I think it is based more on Burrow and his overall set of skills. He can sling it and run the RPO supplemented by his running skills. DH is a drop back passer that might be able to break the occasional 10 yard run. That is different from running the RPO.
Tate probably has the best set of skills for Urban's "traditional" style of offense but I don't thing he has quite the arm that Haskins and Burrow have (although his arm is quite good). If the Buckeyes continue to run the same offense Urban has run for 16+ years, I think it will be either Burrow or Martell.
“ If the Buckeyes continue to run the same offense Urban has run for 16+ years, I think it will be either Burrow or Martell.”
this may be true. I hope it’s not simply because we saw what happened to zeke’s numbers in the ‘14 nc run when Herman had to plan around a passing first qb. He got 700yds in 3 games and tOSU crushed 3 very good defenses.
If I’m planning on the future I go with the closest thing to Deshon Watson. Is it Joe B ? Maybe. Maybe it’s haskins. Again, my point is DH is the only battle tested qb on the roster as of today.
JT was a very different passer against lesser opponents than top 5 competition. So skill sets can go out the window with Taco Charlton in your face.
Can’t wait to see who rises to the top.
Personally I think Haskins has the talent and ability to be one of the highest QB drafted from OSU ever. He could be the real deal. Joe is certainly a very good player. My fear is if Haskins does not get the opportunity to lead, that he will transfer next year (why not). A potential top 10 NFL pick could transfer. Would not like that.
If Haskins loses out to Burrow this year he would have to transfer ummediately to sit out a year and play somewhere else next year? No, if Burrow wins the job, Haskins will have 1-2 years after to start. The guy who would be most likely to transfer immediately is Martel, who would likely be on the bench for 2-3 years (or in special packages). He could start next year elsewhere after leaving immediately.
If Burrow wins, he has two more years. Haskins would not wait to start as a senior (if he is as talented as I surmise), therefore, he may transfer next year after he graduates (if he is on that track)
The offense has Weber and Dobbins at RB. Executing the RPOs should be a huge part of the offense. The defense is simply going to have to respect that dive read. If JB has an edge in that department, that would be huge. Also, you have Dobbins and Weber, so taking care of the football is important. Don't really need a gunslinger
So basically you want JT for another year it sounds like.
Whatever happens, please do not transfer to Michigan!
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Baskin Robbins? Nah, Haskins Dobbins - KannonMic
Ironically, a Burrow or Haskins, or Martell would most likely take Michigan to the next level. A QB is one position Harbaugh has not been able to recruit for some reasons. And it's taken a toll on everything else.
I wouldn't like it. But if one of those guys "had to" transfer, it wouldn't hold it against him if he went up north. (gasp)
Haskins completed 85% of his passes against michigan after being thrown into the fire against our worst enemy, when we were down by a touchdown in the second half of the game.
Live reps with live fire, and Haskins gave everyone something to be thankful for. Nothing that anyone does this spring is going to surpass that.
Joe Burrow would need a rocket up his ass to catch Haskins. Meyer can fool a twenty one year old kid into thinking it is a competition, but Burrow would have to be the second coming of Fran Tarkenton, and Haskins would have to lose his arm in a tragic blimp accident to start that first game.
Unless Haskins is badly hurt this spring, Burrow is a goner. And good luck to the kid out there, he has a chance to be great.
Not so fast! Glad you were so impressed with Haskins play at scUM last year but it doesn’t guarantee he’s better than Joe. Might guarantee he’s better than JT, but that’s a moot point now. I do think Burrow has to win the job outright to get the nod. If it’s too close to call by end of Spring Ball, why should he stick around and risk losing out to Haskins when plenty of teams will welcome him for a year. Also, as I said above, Martel most likely to transfer if Burrow stays and it seems like the staff really like his skill set and don’t want to lose him, so if it’s close at 1-2, Burrow moves on, Haskins/Martel lead this year and Tate is in the wings in 1-2 years when Haskins goes high in the draft.
I think yankee was emphasizing that dethroning the battle tested guy by virtue of a spring game is almost impossible.
I'm a big Haskins fan but I'm rooting for everyone just as much. Competition definitely makes people excel more.
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Do you really remember the game? Give Haskins props for the 15 yard pass completion on 3rd down. More credit for that completion should be given to the unbelievable catch Austin Mack made. The vast majority of Haskins other completions were 5 yard passes on crossing routes that turned into long games by the WR who caught the passes. There is no reason to think that Burrow can't complete passes on 5 yard crossing routes.
Burrows compared to Tarkington?? You don't know your QBs. The Ohio State QB that is compared to Tarkington is Martel. Haskins and Burrow are almost clones of the same type of QB
You have more hate for Meyer than Burrow. Saying that Urban fooled a 21 year kid, means you think he's fooled most of the 21 year old kids on all of his teams. Which makes you sound like a Michigan Troll.
Whoa Kemosabe, that wasn't a dig at Meyer, it is a coach's job to subtly manipulate kids into performing their best. All coaches do it. And the whole reason that people think that Burrow is going to win the job is that he is closer to JT in his ability with his legs than Haskins. He can run a little bit too.
Haskins and Martel are not clones.
I believe he said Haskins and Burrow are clones. Martell definitely has a different skillset.
IMO, Haskins and Burrow have similar arms and size but Burrow has experience running the option game (and he's good at it) and better running ability. Martell the total option package as he has run the style offense, is elusive/fast, and can sling it.
Three great options (no pun intended) IMO.
Based on Meyer's antics in the Illinois game, I suspect he prefers Burrows to Haskins by a considerable emotional margin. When Tim Tebow occupies the position of the ideal quarterback in the coach's imagination, the quarterback who most resembles Tebow will be the starting quarterback. I'd be pleasantly shocked if Burrow does NOT win the job.
Meyer went out of his way last year to suppress Haskin's playing time, leaving Barrett in to pile up stats. Why? Partly to leave Barrett's psyche intact, but partly to make sure Haskin's did not stake his claim to the job this year.
I fear that Meyer will stubbornly overrule the team, the media, and the bulk of the fans, and ignore his position coaches by inserting Burrow as the starter--because Burrows is probably better at executing the whole package, and most resembles Tebow. I wish Haskins would step up and end the controversy, but I don't think that's going to be allowed to happen. Burrow and Martell look like comfort blankets, and Haskins is the thing Meyer has never really embraced. Zone 6 will be affected by the choice, which could impact team chemistry dramatically.
Haskins has by far the NC potential we need, higher ceiling. Burrows is probably the better system QB at the moment. Don't we all have a sinking feeling of dread at how this ends?
More of an Alex Smith
While your argument is extremely cogent, and I suspect you may be right, I am really hoping that you are wrong. I hadn't looked at it in quite that light, Urban had made his entire career out of the option game. And I love the option game, but when we have some legit talent at receiver, running back, and what has the potential to be a good offensive line, I am hoping that Wilson and Day can get him to see what can happen when you have a guy who can sling it a little. But, going back to the offensive staff's complete inability to adjust the offense to Cardale, you are most likely correct. But we at least have the hope that Wilson and Day have more influence than Warriner and Beck.
Urban had "legit talent" at WR and RB when he was at Florida.
Urban will NEVER adopt a Pro-I offense. For Cardale or ANY QB, The only offense Cardale would feel comfortable playing in. Remember Tress recruited Cardale to play in his Pro-I offense. Urban would never have recruited Cardale, He's the square peg for the round hole of Urban's offense.
And yet, Urban recruited DH, calling him one of the best prepared qb’s coming out of HS. I’m certain that a bit more wide open version of the offense DH ran against UM wouldn’t be a bad thing to look at.
AGAIN we have someone who thinks a big arm is THE #1 thing a QB MUST have. NOT according to Urban. Arm strength/arm talent is # SIX on his list of qualities a QB must have. BTW, Burrow's arm strength is on a par with Hasksins.
anytime someone at practice talks about the arms they always say haskins is in a league of his own
Just because Haskins has a big arm, doesn't mean that he isn't competitive, or smart, or good at creating under pressure. There are plenty of reasons that people want him to start. Meyer recruited him, knowing that he wasn't an option guy. Preferring one guy to the other doesn't mean that we are shitting all over Joe Burrow. We like Joe Burrow, we all think that he is seriously talented. We just happen to think that we have another guy who might be equally, or even more talented who we got to see shine last year in crunch time, not garbage time. And say what you want about Mack's catch, or crossing routes, but the offense performed differently when he stepped in and stepped up. He seemed plenty competitive, intelligent and mobile in that game, in addition to having a big arm.
Never said Haskins didn't have those qualities, just speaking to those not knowledgeable who see nothing but a strong arm. And don't know what Urban's most important qualities for his QB are, of which #6 is arm strength/arm talent.
NO, Meyer recruited Haskins because he was a good passer AND was athletic enough to adapt to playing in his offense. The better question would be, "Why would a Top 5 high school Pro QB come to Ohio State to play in Urban's offense??"
The "shine" was based on ONE 15 yard pass in less than 2 quarters of play, that's near sighted. When that pass had nothing to do with a big arm it was more of a touch pass. It was thrown into double coverage because the safety wasn't looked off AND Austin Mack's catch was the real amazing play. Other than that pass, the two other passes thrown over 5 yards were bad throws, one was bailed out by a defensive holding penalty on the DB. The other completions were: 1 swing pass thrown behind the line of scrimmage and 3 crossing patterns, thrown 4 yards down field, which the WR's turned into big plays. Another good young QB couldn't have completed those 4 passes?? Please! AND maybe he completes one of those poorly thrown balls.
You have no idea how the offense would have performed with a different QB on the field. My memory is that another QB brought his team back from a 14 point deficit in the first half. Making it possible for his replacement to enter the game with the score tied instead of down 2 TDs. A COMPLETE different situation. It's an untruth for you to say a "big arm" was shown in the last one and a half quarters, when there wasn't a pass thrown further than 15 yards down field and except for Mack's great catch the other 2 weren't completed.
BTW, those who watch practices, last years spring game and spot duty duty over the past 2 years will tell you that Burrow's arm strength is an equal to that of Haskins.
The game wasn't tied. We were down. All coaches talk about moving the ball. With Haskins in we moved the ball.
That throw looked like a touch throw because it was so perfectly placed. But it was zipped in there. Was the catch incredible? Fuck yes. The corner tried holding him, grabbed his towel, and was waving it in his face, while another man was flying at him with bad intentions. But if you think that was a touch pass, you don't know football. The announcers sure as shit didn't think it was a touch pass.
The only people who have said that Burrow's arm is in the same ball park as Haskins's are teammates and coaches trying to be diplomatic. I have watched the spring games. Burrow is awesome, and has the potential to be really good. But if you don't think Haskins arm is in a different world, you must be watching through some pretty thick Joe Burrow colored glasses. Maybe you should watch the game again. Was Haskins perfect? Hell no. But he was pretty damn good.
Arm Strength/arm talent is #6 on Urban's list of most important criteria for his QBs.
It begs the question: Why do you keep bringing up Joe Burrow's arm?
Don't we all have a sinking feeling of dread at how this ends?
If it ends with a national championship, I'll be happy.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Like I have said before....been a fan of Joe Burrow since day one...keep pounding JB....Go JB....Go Bucks...
I like the fight in Burrow. Whoever win the starting job will be tough and ready to do a superior job. I choose to trust Wilson, Day, and Urban. Go Buckeyes!
I guess the real question here is what happens when we get to the end of spring ball, and Urban still hasn't tipped his hand (as I suspect will happen)?
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
Urban promised that after the Spring game he would tell Burrow if he won the job or not.
I don't recall Urban making a commitment like that. Would be surprised if he did.
He should - only fair
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Always been a fan of Joe B - I hope he wins this on the field by showing he's the best overall option. If DH or TM beats him out on the practice field, then so be it
Haskins is going to start in the NFL whether he wins the job or not, and I hope he keeps that in mind. All five QBs on the roster are pretty damned good, and we have to keep an embarrassment of riches from becoming an embarrassment of attitudes.
If Haskins does not win the job, I hope he sticks around for a season and shows leadership.
And I wish Burrow would state that he is all-Buckeye, sticking around this year because the NC is on the line, whether he wins the job or not. It's unlikely that we don't need all three QBs this year.
The Debate has evolved from last year's "J.T. or backup" debate to 3 different factions of fans pulling for Haskins, Burrow, and Martell respectfully, and add in the 4th faction Baldwin people eventually here as well!
Send the Earth Reverberating
This will be difficult to sort out. Ryan Day said recently that they will select plays based on a QB's strengths. So comparing the three is like comparing apples and oranges. Each will excel at something.
So I think it comes down to whether the coaches want to adjust the overall strategy or not. If they want to run the read/RPO offense like last year, it's Burrow. If they want to stretch the field to run and scare opposing defenses, it's Haskins. If they want to adjust to more of a run-and-throw, improvisational style, it's Martell.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Burrow's arm is as big as Haskins, Which is #6 on Urban's list of the most import qualities his QB must have.
Pulling hard for Joe. Forgotten man last year and lost in the shuffle a little with the injury. Everyone talking about a transfer, it would be great to see him win the job. I really hope Mever decides on the best qb and doesn't play mind games with Burrow to try and get him to stay. If he's not the best, let him go and play elsewhere, even if it means a transfer to Nebraska. It would stink, but you have to do right by the players. He's earned it.
That's a STARTER
Don't hate me for being mechanically challenged.
Solenoid, starter, steering wheel - all car parts that begin with S.
This mini thread has me torqued off a bit
Shifting gears and haskins for trouble, I see.
That escaladed quickly.
Several shocks at all of this car talk ... Can we downshift a little bit?
Don't get me started--I'll need a muffler.
I prefer Burrow or Haskins in the end, but really do not care. Whomever gives the team the best chance to win is the guy I want back there. That said, an accurate downfield passing game has got to be a top priority. I do not think that is a problem for these guys, the little I have seen though. To me that is more important than having blazing speed or a whizz at the zone read.
I would prefer a smart runner but more of a passer. Look to pass first and take off as needed.
Of course there are many ways to parse this out, but strictly speaking from a "personal feelings"'standpoint, I don't think I've ever felt so torn about a QB battle in my life. All three appear to be fantastic kids who want to part of this fantastic program. It sucks someone has to lose. I don't care who wins, but I do.
Im too into my feelings. Time to get back to work.
I don't think I've ever felt so torn about a QB battle in my life.
Clearly you didn't live through the Stanley Jackson/Joe Germaine QB controversy.
You can't train and old dog new tricks. Urban has shown over and over that he values leadership. Pop in tape from last year and watch the sideline. Haskins was involved every game talking to guys on the sideline, talking to guys as they came off the field or went on the field and looking like a leader. He did this in every game no matter what the score was or wether or not he was going to get on the field.
My point being when you have 3 guys who appear to be neck and neck something breaks the tie... leadership imo.
Before Burrow broke his hand, Urban said he liked how Burrow would always stand behind the 1st team offense in practice to soak up everything about the offense that he could. Haskins didn't, when he felt he was #3.
"Well, I was convinced that it was going to be an open competition," Burrow said. "And that's why I wanted to stay and give it my best shot."
My takeays from this statement is that there’s an open competition this year; which is great and proper, but that there WASNT ONE LAST YEAR. No way Joe doesn’t best out JT last year in an open competition.
I think JT was pulled from last year's spring game so it wasn't obvious that he was our 4th best passer
This sport can be brutal at times.
I SO want to see ALL 3 of our QBs play and succeed.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
I will be happy with whoever wins the job. I believe Haskins will end up winning the job, but something about Burrow being from "The Great State of Ohio" would just make it a little more special watching him lead this team to a Championship.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
JT was pulled the last two years in the spring as Burrow shined two years ago & JT did not. After the Nebraska game two years ago in which Burrow was 7-7 against their 1st team defense he rarely saw the field again.
Frankly, I get tired of every year hearing fans speculate about how such and such will or should transfer. Especially at the QB position. They chose Ohio State for a reason, and being afraid of competition typically is not that reason. Everyone's an expert though, and if someone isn't slated to be the next Chosen One at QB, suddenly everyone is projecting transfers.
I like your thought here. Add to it that it still is a privilege to play for tOSU. Starter or otherwise.
I have say, we have some pretty strong opinions about who should be the 2018 Starter. Unfortunately, the sample size is pretty small for all of these guys. Yes, Haskins was impressive against TTUN in limited duty, but 2015 was a lesson in how good defenses can adjust to a QB with a different skill set. I don't really care who wins the job, but I have not seen enough from any of the three to say who should be the starter. Glad we have future hall of fame Coach to figure it out.
On the flipside, 2015 was a case study indecisiveness: inability to name a starting QB, followed by failing to tailor the offense to take advantage of the strengths of your QB and minimize his weaknesses. Cardale OR JT would have had great 2015 seasons, had there been strong leadership from Urban (didn't get it), and decent offensive strategy (wasn't coming from Wariner and Beck).
Joey needs to go to another school where he can get more money via “cost of attendance”. Since he made those comments as a 3RD STRING QB, I could care less what he does.
Your comment makes scant sense. Go to another school to "get more money?" Or are you suggesting that he walk-on and pay his way at another program? In my opinion, Joe at worst is the second best quarterback on our team, which makes his attitude, demeanor, and hard work going into the 2018 season very important.
I for one, and I am sure I am not alone, care very much about this player.
Do you know what “cost of attendance” money is?
I'm glad I don't have to decide this one....I think they all bring alot to the table and all capable. It's a shame only one can start.
Another thing to consider in the QB Derby is the play of the offensive line. Losing a 4 year starter and Remington award winner at a position that makes all of the line calls for the offense and replacing him with, potentially, a fifth year senior who does not have much experience in big games with everything on the line is at least a step back. Also losing a two year starter, two time all Big Ten left tackle is not ideal either. Hopefully line play does not suffer but that's a lot of experience to replace and a little drop in performance would not be unexpected, at least early in the season. If the line does not perform as well in pass protection as it did this past year then the QB will need to have more than adequate mobility to drive the offense down the field. In 2004 Justin Zwick, a highly touted pro style strong arm QB, was the starting QB but by the middle of the season less touted more mobile Troy Smith was given the job due to his ability to extend plays. His scrambling ability was necessary due to the O line's lackluster pass protection. Does this current Haskins/Burrow QB competition bare a close resemblance to the Zwick/Smith battle? Or is Haskins's scrambling ability a lot better than Zwick's and more like Smith's? Not sure we can say Haskins is a good enough scrambler yet since we've only seen him for 1.5 quarters against TTUN. He looked great but that was a very small sample size where he only had to scramble one time that I can remember. Going to be interesting QB battle to say the least with a lot a of variables affecting the outcome. May the best man win and lead the Bucks to the 2018 National Championship!
May the best man win, but I’m pulling for Joe. We are lucky to have three such fine players, fine men, to choose from.
I'm on team Burrow! Love Dwayne but for some reason I like Joe more. That being said I may be the only one who truly will be thrilled with whoever takes the snaps from center in the fall. Even Tate!
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Dang, if only JTB were granted another yr of eligibility this would all be so simple & settled and everyone would be happy.
I worry that the best passer we have seen in many years might not get the opportunity to play because the coaches need of watching a running QB. Hopefully coaches Day and Wilson stand tall and refuse to recreate the RPO emphasis that has been over relied upon the last few year's. That Chip Kelly DVD needs to disappear. We have the talent for amazing results. Let's use it and rise to the top again.
"Passing abilities" is #6 on Urban's list of importance for his QB. Haskins and Burrow are VERY close in Passing abilities" #1 through #5 on Urban's list: Competitiveness, Toughness, Leadership, Football IQ and Ability To Extend Plays, will be the deciding factors in who's the starter.
and it was Haskins who went in for an injured J.T. Barrett and led the team to a comeback victory over Michigan. ............
I still do not see why people say that. JT was the guy that got the team back in that game. He helped score the points to tie the game. Look, I get it..... Haskins had some very nice throws and finished the game when JT went out with a injury. Haskins definitely has the better arm. But make no mistake about it. JT got the team back in that before he got injured. Haskins finished that game like a pro. Haskins had beautiful tosses. But to me, JT had the team on the comeback. And If we really want to get honest, the defense helped in that also. Just my opinion though.
Probably because JTB had 3 completions for 40 yds in 2 1/2 quarters of work while Haskins went 6/7 for 94 yds and the team went TD, FG, FG Miss, TD after his entry into the game. Also the team had 5 drives where it gained less than 10 yards with JT at qb while the team had drives of 78, 47, 34 and 66 yds when Haskins was in the game.
winner winner chicken dinner
Afraid with Burrow the offense will be more of the same we saw with Barrett...but without a better running qb.
haskins skill set forces change in play calling
I care more about a passing QB, than I do a running QB. And I believe Burrow, Haskins, or Martell ALL provide that.
As do I...and to me Haskins is the guy.
A running QB is not on Urban's list of most important qualities for his QB. The closest is "being able to extend a play" which is #5 on his lest, just ahead of #6 arm strength/arm talent. "Ability to extend a play" ranked by our QBs is 1) Martel, 2) Burrow, 3) Haskins.
I tend to see things differently (not necessarily right), but I saw a good catch and even better maintaining possession by the receiver (Mack) on that "highlight" 3rd and 15 throw by Haskins against Ttun...Mack doesn't hold on and we are not having the same discussion...
Also, I still contend that we had a shot at the 2016 NC if we would have replaced JT with JB late in the season. The defenses were stacked in the box against us and we couldn't complete a pass down field...Burrow has the touch and distance to stretch defenses and is very mobile to keep them honest on the RPO.
One could also observe that the 2014 UNC came at the hands of 12 gauge -- would we have won without being able to stretch Alabama's defense? Then in 2015, with an even better team we struggled all year -- 12 gauge lost his touch and the defenses didn't respect JT's arm...we need a mobile QB that can stretch the defenses -- I think we may have 3 of them right now, but I think this is Burrow's time.
I just hope that everybody throws their support behind whomever is chosen starter. I get the feeling that no matter who is chosen, some fans are going to have a cow.
I haven't cowculated the probabilities, but I'm sure that someone will say of UFM "how dairy!" I'll show myself out.
I get the feeling that no matter who is chosen, some fans are going to have a cow.
People have a cow when our QBs throw an incomplete pass on 3rd down in the first quarter.
I'd love to see a year or two of Joe, then a year or two of Dewayne.
It would be great!
Just change the offense. No more rpo. Pro style offense suites both these guys