Just glad the Browns aren't blowing their free salary cap space on the guy.
Why not just keep Case Keeenum? Oh well, good for Cousins, he has played the system for $$$$ better than anyone else, ever. Over $120 million guaranteed from 16'-20'.
Why not just keep Case Keeenum?
Seriously. I was wondering the same thing.
Because Kirk Cousins > Case Keenum
Better? Probably but i wouldnt guarentee it.
Better by 10+ million per year? Hell no
Most people up here think that Cousins is a good QB but has not done anything to earn that kind of cash.
Most people here in DC are ditto.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
Can probably just leave it at, most people.
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I agree. Never thought I'd see Cousins setting the market. But, hey, I get it, it's a QB league. And with a good QB, the Vikings are pretty darn formidable.
My thought, not concern, because I'm an Eagles fan, so whatever the Vikings do is on them, is you look at that team and they are YOUNG, several of their best players are on rookie deals... So what happens in a couple years when they need to reach into the change purse and pull out new deals for guys like Xavier Rhoades? Stefon Diggs? Harrison Smith? Anthony Barr?
Not to mention, again, Eagles fan, thinking about what Carson Wentz will command when the time comes, assuming he's 100% back from his injury... Scary, scary thought of what the market is going to look like in a couple years.
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If you notice, Cousins deal is only for 3 years-just in time to resign Barr, Rhodes,etc. Long term deals in the NFL really aren't worth anymore than the guarantee-teams will cut bait when they figure they aren't going to make a Super Bowl run, and snap up veterans cut for financial reasons when they are making a run-like what the Eagles did last year and the Rams appear to be doing this year. For instance, I can almost guarantee Andrew Norwell will not last 5 years in Jacksonville at $12 million per year-the Jags are going big to win now, and will retool in a couple years.
At $30m guaranteed, he's going to be around for at least 3 years, but that also depends how his contract is structured.
My point exactly-after 2-3 years the Jags are going to be able to asses if they are still in win now mode, or in need of a reboot.
Understood but if his contract is front heavy, he is still serviceable in years 4-5, and the contracts for interior lineman continue to inflate, his contract won't be an issue for the Jags.
I get the premise of your point, just not sure it's applicable to Norwell, but it can be.
Teams might overpay on the front end, but that's why they have the guaranteed $$$-the players know as well as anyone their chances of seeing all that $$$$ are probably south of 20%. Teams aren't thinking "Oh, $12 million a year for 5 years for an interior lineman is a good deal", they are thinking, "OK, we have pay $30 million for 2-3 years of the best available player at his position". That's why teams draft-if they are smart/lucky they can draft an interior lineman or safety or whatever in a year or two who is just as good as the veteran-OR-a solid enough enough replacement to justify using the veteran's salary elsewhere, after the guaranteed $$$ has been spent.
He's not worth it, but Kudos to him for making about $125m in 5 years.
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My thing is, for the Vikings, production wise, Keenum and Cousins are pretty similar. There may have been an opportunity to resign Keenum on a performance based contract with incentives, and potentially pay him about 10 million a year less (not totally sure what the market is for Keenum, but I can't imagine teams are backing up the brinks truck for him). You can then use that 10 million a year to upgrade other areas of the team, bring in younger legs to play outside, make sure you've solidified your backfield if Cook isn't 100%...
Just seems like a waste to pay one guy all that money, but again, hey, it's not my cash.
good QB still relatively young hits the open market in a QB needy league awash in cap space? makes sense to me. Rodgers is worth $40M/year at least on the open market. of course that kind of number makes it more difficult to win as it eats up a ton cap space. Vikings are going for it.
good Average QB still relatively young hits the open market in a QB needy league awash in cap space?
Fixed that for you
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4th best QB rating over the last 3 years, 4th best Adj Net Yards per pass across the last 3 years, that's hardly average.
Not saying he is worth the money they are paying, but he has been far better than average over the last 3 years
Off the top of my head I can think of 12 QBs I would rather have than Cousins. If you can't crack the top 3rd of players at your position, I would consider you average.
yeahhhhh but that's the top third based on your scorecard...not real data/play.
ok, which of those top 12 you would choose are going to become available? theoretically you still need your team to win and or be competitive for championships. If cousins is your best bet for that to happen either you go get him, try to get him or just lose your job.
if your 12 were on the open market then sure, cousins wouldn't be getting this deal, but they are not so then cousins gets to ransom the available teams.
What would you do with $120 million? I'd buy an island in the Phillipines and be a straight up local overlord-pineapple plantation, tequila factory and native chicks all day long.
yeah at that point I could say, football sucks compared to my sweet island.
I'd buy an island in the Phillipines and be a straight up local overlord-pineapple plantation, tequila factory and native chicks all day long.
You stole my idea.
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I always heard David Klingler bought a giant ranch with his football earnings. That sounds like a sweet thing to do with the money as well.
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id make sure to pay my taxes and fees so that 120 million gets halved (at best) real quick
Awesome news for the Vikings. Cousins has been a very solid QB in his 3 starting seasons in DC. He's 2nd in the league in QBR and completion percentage behind Brees in that span. He really didn't have much help in DC apart from Desean Jackson when he was healthy, and the defenses were abysmal. Now in Minnesota he gets great receivers, great RB's, a solid OL, and one of the leagues best defenses.
People that say he's overrated need to put his time in DC into context and think about what he can accomplish on a much better Minnesota team. Cousins, like any other QB, needs a great supporting cast and a great defense. Minnesota, with its great defense and excellent skill players, needed a top 10/franchise QB (Keenum wasn't the long term answer) and got him. I for one am very happy and hope the Vikings will draft Billy Price if he's available at 30.
Cousins is a system QB, as in he needs a structured game plan to operate best.
His low moments in DC came when he had to improvise...wasn't as often, but lack of chemistry, supporting cast development, and injuries kept things from meshing in Washington.
Oh, and upper management.
With the Vikings, Cousins has a ready made team built for continued succes, and new OC John DeFillipo is a great QB coach, who did wonders in Philly last season.
Mostly happy for Cousins (a little salty about the bs in negotiations the last two years), and I do wish him and the Vikings well.