How Will The Americans End?

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Fatpants's picture

I hope all those damn communist spies ride the lightning.

PG <3 PG

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Ludwig Yards's picture

Hopefully with Keri Russell's clothes falling off. 

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Frimmel's picture

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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osu992's picture

I've never seen an episode, but stopped in to make sure this was on the table.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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osu992's picture

...or the counter, or a desk.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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B1G Saturdays in the Fall's picture

LOL !

She is one of my all-time crushes. She’s a hotty.

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

I would love that too

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Frimmel's picture

Henry gets shipped off to boarding school not to be heard from again. 

Pastor Tim and wife are sent on their relief/missionary job and end up murdered along with their child by the local communist revolutionaries. 

Paige is left fluctuating wildly between keeping it together and losing it.   

Stan's girlfriend is most certainly a plant from The Center.

This is where it gets complicated speculating because there will be all sorts of double-cross and mis-direction and each side with double-agents all with their own agendas. 

I think the key to all of this will be Stan. Will he be compromised? Will he catch on and somehow manage to stay clean and stop the bad guys without selling out Paige and Henry? Who actually ends up being the "good guy" in this story? 

Paige goes to Stan, Stan realizes his girlfriend is a mole, Stan wants to stop Phillip and Elizabeth but not ruin Paige and Henry so we get The Jennings serving up most of the operation in exchange for fleeing and leaving Paige and Henry behind? 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Buck68's picture

hmmm...

Politics is banned here,

but fantasies and biases about politics are OK.

There used to be 'something wrong with that'...

but for a while now, "not that there's anything wrong with..." whatever.

Unless... you don't feel/think/say/do EXACTLY what you're told by those humble folks who own and possess to progress....

Meanwhile... few young, inexperienced men are called to Honesty & Integrity...

and choose to accept that foundation and

keep trying to walk that talk daily, A-B, 4-6.

Shocking what the many do to themselves and others...

Amazing what the few...strive for against all odds...

GO BUCKS!

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Buck68's picture

what a clarion call picture, of those who 'know more' and 'care' for us lesser folks.  It joins several other pictures of human intelligence and outrage about the total horrors of you... not feeling/thinking/saying/doing EXACTLY what i tell you!   ;-{)}  

It's jest a tad ironic that the backup plan to this glorious self-feel... is... forms of "I have no idea what you mean"...so therefore i know enough to judge you and what you posted.   LoL  Indeed, claiming to no nothing...is enough for one who already knows it all.

So...can another 'raising our awareness' pogrom bee far be hind?  ;-{)}

Yes, if a current anomaly continues.

So...not 'likely'.   LoL

But...just a stray thought... where would H&I, or our team cohesion and individual sacrifices be... if our Buckeyes practiced and played and coached like these pictures we have 'naturally' felt so often?  These pictures are on "transmit"; who can 'coach' or communicate, with a guy on 'stuck mike'?  Just one of this kind of 'transmission' from an employee of UFM about whatever UFM does not want 'leaked'... 'gets' ...?!  OH... the in-tolerance!   ;-{)}

Yet...what would we do in the midst of our self-righteous emotional outrage... if we suddenly 'received' by some mirror, the very picture we are sending 'as loud as we can'?  What if 'first do to your self, what you want to impose on others'?  Ouch.

i'd be far more than embarrassed.  I have been embarrassed.  I have been completely foolish before, and i will be again.  BUT, on transmit...i no no god before ME.  So, i should consider that though i've held my tongue a million times, i may have been called to hold my tongue... 7x70.  And i have no excuse, especially the next time i transmit one.

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BuckeyeRick's picture

Buck68, are you OK? This is the kind of rambling nonsense that occurs right before someone goes off the rails. Seek help, seriously.

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

I like you, 68, (almost as much as a 69:).

Seriously, deep man. I Dig it. 

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Frimmel's picture

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Buck68's picture

very useful question for each person.  

To me, it begs the question, "what will you sell your soul for:  a shadow, or the substance?

But that's me.  Does any man's answer suffice for another? You'd have to ask each.  

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Buck68's picture

1994 - thanks for the retransmissions.  ;-{)}

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Buck68's picture

1994

wow... we may not agree, but IMO you are communicating... beautifully.

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Buck68's picture

indeed... which of these pictures would i use to reveal my true self about what i would sacrifice much for... to some one i love?

I don't mean lust, or 'be like', or 'have' or 'get'; i mean 'love'.

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RK84's picture

Brother you are an absolute joy to read and attempt to comprehend.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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superfan24's picture

Such is the brilliance of the show - reiterating that it's just a TV show - is that they get you to feel for just about everyone in it. They are Russian spies who have killed many innocent people, but you don't want them to get caught and subject their kids to a terrible life. 

In the end, I would have to guess that either Phillip or Elizabeth escape the US and Russian governments with the kids, but one is killed. 

Also, I am terrible at predicting twists and turns in TV shows so none of what I predict should ever be taken seriously. ... Or should it?

I once handed Archie Griffin the keys to his loaner car.

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Ahh Saturday's picture

Great show, probably my favorite over the last 5 years. Haven't really thought about how they'll end things, but I guess I'm about to. I agree with the OP that Henry will be the catalyst for the action in this last season. He'll find out that his parents are spies. He has to, and when he does he will not take the Paige route. The Jennings will be exposed. They will need to get back to the USSR, but Henry will not want to go. From this premise there are three scenarios that immediately suggest themselves:

1) The Bloodbath: Anybody remember the Connors family in season 2? If not, they were the other "Americans" that were murdered in their hotel room. Their daughter was murdered as well. Turns out the murderer was their own son. In case the echoes here aren't clear yet, that episode was actually titled "The Echo". I could see the Jennings family ending in the same way, with Henry as a kind of Travis Bickle type hero.

2) The Happy Ending: This show will not have a happy ending. However, in the happy ending, the Jennings finally resolve the series-long tension between family loyalty and national loyalty in favor of family. They defect, cooperate with the authorities, remove the hammer and sickle from the C of Americans, and live the rest of their lives cheering on Buckeye football. I repeat, this show will not have a happy ending.

3) The Choice: The problem with scenario one outlined above is that it takes choice out of the hands of Phillip and Elizabeth. While there is some poetic justice of the "reap-what-you-sow" variety in them dying at the hands of their own son, dramatically it lets the Jennings off the hook. As compelling as the spy narrative has been, I've always believed the spy stuff to be largely a vehicle for a story about conflicted identity. "We spent a night together and don't even know each other's names. But is your name your name? Is your face your face? Are your children your children?" These questions were asked of Phillip back in season two. They have formed the heart of the show ever since, and they have yet to be answered. Having Phillip, and to a less obvious extent Elizabeth, claim their names and faces is the only satisfying resolution to the show. My guess is Phillip chooses Henry and America and likely gets taken out by the center for his choice. This leaves Elizabeth with a choice. Does she blame the center? Does she break with them and try to save herself by cooperating with American intelligence? Or does the series end with her and Paige walking the cold, gray Moscow streets under the constant gaze of the very people that killed her husband? Only thing I know is that I trust these writers to make it interesting.  

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Frimmel's picture

Nice thought there with point 1 but that seems less likely than the happy ending. Having seen how it went the first time around and with the way they've guarded Paige I don't see The Center trying to do an end around and recruiting Henry. Henry is also a bit younger than the Connors's boy and I don't think is quite as isolated as that kid was. 

If you want to look at this through the setting up a spinoff lens, I go with Henry ending up in the FBI with Paige going into the family business. 

The whole thing is going to hinge on Stan in my estimation. He gets compromised somehow or catches on that Andrea is a spy and he gets on the track to end this. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

They fake phillip and Elizabeth's death in the US as they move back to Russia. Paige stay and is working for the center in a spinoff, Henry is going in to law enforcement one way or another. Martha and Stan hold the keys to how some things shake out. Phillips older son is a pivotal cog. Super stoked to get crackalackin.

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hetuck's picture

It starts Wednesday. It is now 1987. The spinoff with Paige looks more and more like a certainty. Maybe Phillip and Oleg set up the first internet travel site. They fake Elizabeth's death and she goes back to Russia to be miserable in ideological splendor. I'll wait for the first chance encounter with Martha.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-americans-review-from-russia-with-no-lo...

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Ashley 4 OSU's picture

I love this show The Americans.

By the way, if anybody is looking for another great show. There’s one that ended last summer, it was on AMC: Turn. It’s about George Washington’s spies during the Revolutionary War. Very well-done. Highly recommended. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Starz new show Counterpart - with JK simmons playing an awesome double roll is a great new spy show with a cool twist! Highly recommend.

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Ludwig Yards's picture

Can also support a fellow Buckeye by watching that. 

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Numbers's picture

crushed under the weight of trillions of dollars of debt, probably.

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Zimmy07's picture

LOL.  “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter” - some angry looking guy once said.

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Ashley 4 OSU's picture

Just a shot in the dark, but I’m guessing Paige will lose her virginity. 

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Breadman's picture

I'm pretty sure Stan's son has been hitting that for at least 2 or 3 seasons. 

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Frimmel's picture

She broke up with him last season and this one skipped ahead a few years. There was a scene or two with them making out but no indication of things going further than that. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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B1G Saturdays in the Fall's picture

Come on guys, isn’t she just a middle school teenager? 

SMH.

Be better, “King Slender”, “Ashley”, etc. 

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Frimmel's picture

She is at present a college student. She has been in high school most of the show. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Frimmel's picture

It would seem we need to have a pool on Elizabeth's body-count for the season. I've got her at six so far. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Ahh Saturday's picture

Two more episodes, anybody got any guesses?

Harvest ended any chances of a "happy ending" for the Jennings. They participated in the killings of two FBI agents. I don't see defection and cooperation as an option for Phillip or Elizabeth, and with Elizabeth's defiance of The Center, I don't see her going back to Mother Russia. It's death or prison for each. The suicide pill Elizabeth's been wearing around her neck all season has marked Elizabeth for death from the first episode. Like her patient Erika, Elizabeth's condition is terminal. The only real question is who kills her. The FBI? The KGB? Phillip? Or does she finally swallow that pill?

And what about Phillip? He tells Elizabeth in last night's episode, "I would do anything for you . . . but not anymore." I would have guessed that Phillip would do anything to protect Elizabeth, but I think that speech tells her, and us, that he has passed his personal Rubicon. Elizabeth is on her own.

And there are so many interesting questions still to be resolved about the other characters. When will Henry find out about his parents and how will he take it? What will the FBI do with Paige? How deep is her commitment to "the cause" and what guidance will she get from her parents as things begin to crumbled?  And Stan? Does he wind up a hero of the FBI, bringing down the spy ring of the "Illegals"? What about that shiny new wife of his and her interest in the FBI? Is she a next generation "American" like Paige?

So many interesting questions, and so many interesting ways they could play out. Oh, and that kiss Elizabeth gives Erika on the forehead is the most menacing kiss since the one Michael Corleone laid on Fredo.

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Frimmel's picture

Phillip took the Chicago dude's empty necklace. I see him switching it out on Elizabeth. 

I think the good guys, in this case Stan and The FBI "win" by stopping the spys and then lose since the spys just get sent back to Russia in trade for CIA officers or similar. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Ludwig Yards's picture

Hopefully with Elizabeth dying a painful, terrible death. What an atrocious human being that character has become. 

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Frimmel's picture

Become? The whole dropping a car on a dude last season didn't give away what a stone cold murderer she is? 

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Ludwig Yards's picture

Fair enough. But she's a ruthless butcher this season. 

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Frimmel's picture

They do seem much more "crime of passion" than "need this to complete the mission." I thought the intern was next to be added to the butcher's bill. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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NUTSO's picture

Great observation, “crime of passion” indeed. 

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hetuck's picture

I'm seeing two possibilities: 1) A Shield-type ending where Vic Mackey got an immunity agreement in return for a confession. He pointed to the recorder and said, "How many batteries do you for that thing?" I don't think Stan could let the murderer of his former partner go. 2) Phillip and Elizabeth commit suicide by semi on the way back from seeing Henry one last time. That frees up Paige for a sequel series, maybe with Stan's new wife.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Frimmel's picture

I think you could throw caught and traded back to The Soviets for captured CIA or MI6 agents in there. 

I think Stan's new gal fails her background check after she interviews with the FBI. I'd see that as one of our big cliffhangers going into the finale. In the preview Stan's telling Dennis about Elizabeth. I could see them finishing that convo and here comes the news that Renee failed her background check. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Frimmel's picture

Well now that it's in the bag it seems more or less obvious it had to go that way.

Great scene in the garage. 

A few too many things hanging for my taste in a finale but overall a very satisfying wrap up. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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bakerjon's picture

Loved this show. Fun to think about who the true protagonist and antagonist characters are here. The scenes in the final 2 episodes between Phillip and Stan are the stuff of TV legend! Amazing acting and writing. 

I'm sure, they "will get used to it." Not sure how Paige finds her way out of the mess since Stan knows, but I would be in for a spin off. 

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Ahh Saturday's picture

Echoing the reactions of those above. Best series since The Sopranos in my book. In that final shot, looking out over Moscow, the title of the series gained a new, and maybe its truest meaning. Alien to their homeland, they are not really Russians any longer. In this new place, they have finally become “the Americans”, outsiders, imposters again and forever.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

First the good: the garage scene was the best part of the episode.  While pretty much the rest of the episode was forgettable you couldn't take your eyes away during the garage segment.

Now, the bad: As I said, most of the episode was forgettable.  There was no drama, no character (where was the haggard looking Elizabeth from the early episodes of the season or the westernized Philip?).  It's that late night snack you get that you have thought about all evening, only to feel that feeling of regret five minutes after you ate it - it just wasn't that good, certainly not as good as you had before.

The Ugly: NOTHING was resolved.  I realize there probably will be spinoffs, but it's a disservice to fans to not wrap any of the storylines up.  Just poor writing, poor storytelling.  After 5.9 years of pretty good ideas it seems like the writers ran out of ideas.

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Frimmel's picture

I don't think the show was out of ideas. They were out of time and had to come up with some sort of resolution that made sense in the episodes they had remaining. I'd note that Elizabeth stopped being haggard when she decided she wasn't going to kill the attache/negotiator guy. 

I know I complained about things left hanging but that more or less amounts to Oleg, Paige, and Renee. 

What would be a "resolved" end of this story? Stan takes them in? Shoots them in the garage? 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

I agree here, that there was "resolution" but possibly not the resolution we were hoping for or expecting.  The Jennings made it out alive and Stan was the same dolt he was throughout the series. I found the train scene tough and unexpected which was a great twist as was Stan and Henry's reunion.

The Watch pod talked about how it was really the first series that did not end with justice.  They mentioned Breaking Bad as a show where everyone got what they deserved in the end, where here, no one did.  No one paid for their misdeeds or good-heartedness rewarded.  Maybe that is where the rub lies.  

truth > confirmation

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Frimmel's picture

Stan wasn't a dolt. He figured it out and caught them. I'm curious if there is a version of the big confrontation where Phillip says, "What was I supposed to do? Murder you the night you broke into my garage?" 

Oleg it seems will pay for his misdeeds and good-heartedness. I think the justice meted out is much more subtle than dead or in jail. I'd say Paige getting off the train was a big helping of it. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

Oleg, Paige, and Renee.

Stan, Philip, Elizabeth, Henry - there was no completion to any of these characters.  Only two people actually made choices in this episode - Stan letting the Jenninges go and Paige to remain in the US.  But even then, none of us were surprised to see Paige remain, from the posts above we show that we kind of expected that in some form or fashion.

I had this yearning for something to happen, yet the story just went along with almost no confrontation among the characters (outside of the garage).  There was just no urgency, no drama, no hard choices for the characters to make.  It just seemed so simple, so obvious, the way they got away.

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Frimmel's picture

They did make a choice go to jail or run. When it gets down to brass tacks most of the time the big choices are pretty stark and straightforward and don't seem like much of a choice at all. 

One of the things I liked about the show is it showed how boring spying is. That the Jennings would be able to just slip away into the night fit with the non-James Bondian version of spying the show was premised on. Were you expecting a car chase through Washington and a gunfight with the FBI at the Lincoln memorial? 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

And to be clear, I didn't need every story line to be tied up nice and tidy.  If they left Paige, Renee, Matthew floating on their own I would have been fine.  But it just seemed like nothing happened, nothing of substance anyway.

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Ahh Saturday's picture

Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings died. They were only ever a concocted identity, and that identity is now buried  in some hole in the ground back behind a McDonald’s parking lot. To the extent that they ever lived, they are now dead. That’s a resolution. How satisfying a resolution is a matter of taste, I suppose, but a chapter in their lives has clearly been closed.

i am also satisfied by the end of the Henry and Paige storylines. Henry was/and will be a terribly lonely person, but an American. He built a true life, a true identity despite his parents deceit, and he will have Stan in his corner. Regarding Paige, well, an empty room with a full bottle of vodka is not the ideal place to start a new chapter in one’s life, but it is certainly a provocative ending for her, and a fitting one as well. 

Oleg and Stan have been the most decent people throughout the show and as a consequence, as decent people often do, suffer for it. Oleg will stay in jail  for a while (who knows how long with the Soviet Union ready to crumble) and Stan will wonder for a long time about what his choice to let the Jennings go means, just as the viewers are, and should be, left to wonder what it meant to root for their escape. At some level isn’t Stan just doing what the viewer hopes for? To understand all is to forgive all. Stan understands Philip and has forgiven him. And as far as Renee goes, let us say that she is the doubt that such work and such choices must plant in any who spend their lives dealing in and with deception.

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hetuck's picture

Phillip and Elizabeth open a travel agency and counseling service for American men seeking Russian wives. They use this new thing called the Internet to places ads on sports sites catering to middle-aged men. 

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NUTSO's picture

The irony was how Page ended up leaving her parents. Now they’re alone, stuck in depressing Russia. She did this to get back at them for leaving Matthew by himself. 

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NUTSO's picture

Also, I liked the strong symbolism of an American icon like McDonalds. The Jennings family stopping at a McDonalds for their last meal, during their escape from America to the motherland, that was an unforgettable moment. 

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NUTSO's picture

An interesting follow-up series would be Stan legally adopting Henry, (which is ironic, because Henry had the hots for Stan’s ex-wife, Sandra, and I don’t blame him one bit :). Henry then, with the guidance of his best buddy/legal guardian Stan’s leadership skills —- continues to excel at hockey, to the point he becomes a 1st round pick in the 1990 NHL Draft. FBI man/friend of Stan, Dennis Aderholt, works a plea deal for Oleg Burov, and Oleg helps coach Henry. Henry makes the 1994 US Olympic Hockey Team as an alternate. But, David Sacco is injured during a preliminary game, and in steps Henry Jennings.

The drama really builds though, as the series plays out: Phillip and Elizabeth, while enjoying a meal of toothpaste and vodka, while watching television, find out about Henry’s achievement. Phil & Liz then plot a “kidnapping” scheme to get their Henry back, between hockey games in Lillehammer, Norway. But, little do they know that former FBI secretary Martha Hansen overhears their scheme, while in a Moscow grocery store, and calls back to the US, and anonymously alerts the FBI. Meanwhile, sister Page finds out about her parents sinister plans, and alerts Stan. Stan, while in Lillehammer, discreetly follows Phil & Liz around. Stan ends up killing both former Russian spies via a car bomb. In the final scene, the Jennings’ ruby red metallic 1994 Volvo 940 rental, is shown in a heap of ashes, with a wallet size picture of the Jennings family dwindling away to a faint image.

This show could be called: Hockey Dreams, Olympic Schemes: The Henry Jennings Story, with the last episode titled: “Stan’s Last Stand”.

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Lot of free time? Impressive

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