Kyle Snyder and Kollin Moore Earn Top Seeds For the NCAA Division I Wrestling Tournament

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Cruiser79's picture

Great job as usual Andy. Good luck to the wrestlers and GO Bucks!!!

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Skunk bear blood's picture

 Sweet, Great article and printable brackets!

#POPPYSTRONG

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J10's picture

I prefer to think of this as the Tom Ryan era.

**This space to be filled with an inspirational quote from a famous Buckeye**

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Seattle Linga's picture

And the MACHINE continues to roll.

Go Get em Grapplers. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Yenots11's picture

Tons of absolutely sensational talent on the top end of all those brackets. But, fittingly, all eyes should end up on that heavyweight final. 

Go Bucks!! 

"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam!"

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Seattle Linga's picture

Let's hope it comes right down to that match - I like our chances. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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McGrind's picture

Coon / Synder III Epic...

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USMC11917's picture

Pletcher really reminds me of Nick Heflin. They have similar strategy, more so than technique. I just don’t see his weight class as one that that wrestling strategy will be successful enough to become champion in. I’d hope that this off season he could reevaluate his aggression and offensive output. He’s a great asset to the team and a great wrestler. Very talented.

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SilverState's picture

Really pulling for Bo to take out Hall. Hall could use some humility and really would like to see Bo have a chance to win it all

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

I think Bo's got to be more aggressive to pull off the upset of Hall. His passivity plays right into Hall's preferred approach of stalling until the final minute of the match.

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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Rollin'85South's picture

Unfortunately, Bo has a non-cancerous tumor in his foot. He’s been putting off his second round of chemo until after the season. This has made it difficult for him to get his conditioning and it shows in the 3rd period of tough matches. I hope he can pull off beating Hall, and Valencia too, but he’s got his work cut out.

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Desymond's picture

Woah, seriously? And Idk anything about this topic, but I thought chemo was specifically for cancer?

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Andy Vance's picture

I’ll have a profile of Bo sometime in the next week, and we’ll talk about Bo’s many injuries and this situation in particular.

Hovenaut's picture

Also was not aware - looking forward to that read.
 

Axe cancer. 

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SilverState's picture

Thanks for that - I had no idea. Makes everything he's accomplished thus far so much more impressive

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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t-dub's picture

It's time to battle! 

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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bdhof's picture

NCAA Seeds tOSU
125 #2
133 #3
141 #4
149 #5
157 #7
165 #13
174 #6
184 #2
197 #1
285 #1
Projected Total Points (w/o bonus) 125

NCAA Seeds PSU
125 DNQ
133 NS
141 #8
149 #1
157 #3
165 #2
174 #2
184 #1
197 #5
285 #3
Projected Total Points (w/o bonus) 114.5

I think 10 points is a toss up. PSU has a perceived bonus advantage. That advantage was 4.5 in the B10s. A similar spread in the NCAAs keeps this tournament as one that will go down to the wire.

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Bdhof....always bringing it!

#POPPYSTRONG

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Rollin'85South's picture

This is with Nolf as a 3 seed. Unless his injury keeps him from performing to close to his normal ability, I don’t see him losing. Although, he didn’t look like the bonus point machine he typically is. That makes it even closer.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks for that list - it's pretty impressive.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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bdhof's picture

Ooops, made a mistake. PSU 165 is a 3 seed and not a 2 seed. That puts their total projected points at 112, not 114.5. Sorry.

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CasualObserver's picture

Ohio State outscored their projection by 16.5 last year, 93.5 to 100. Penn State bumped their score from 100.5 to 146.5. That's without Suriano getting any of his three-seed points. So here's to hoping Penn State doesn't bring their perennial AA known as bonus points.

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bdhof's picture

You are including bonus points. Seed projections do not include bonus points. Without bonus points, tOSU under performed their seeds last year, seeded at 90.5 and scoring 87. PSU over performed their seeds, seeded at 113 and scoring 114. As you state, Suriano not wrestling accounted for 13.5 points. So, you could say PSU over performed by 14.5 not factoring in Suriano. tOSU scored 22.5 bonus points last year, while PSU scored 32.5, a 10 point advantage. In the B10s PSU had a 4.5 point bonus advantage (23 to 18.5). One of their bonus points was from 125 Kuhn who isn't competing in Cleveland. So, one could argue that the advantage is down to 3.5 points. There is one more round in NCAAs (2 more rounds for wrestlers who got a 1st round bye in B10s*), but there were a few cupcakes in B10s, as in guys with losing records. The floor in NCAAs is somewhat higher. tOSU has one more wrestler than PSU and two more seeds, so that could lessen the advantage somewhat. I would still guess that PSU gets a 5-10 advantage in bonus points in NCAAs. 

*Wrestlers with byes in B10s - tOSU: Micah and Moore; PSU: Keener, Zain and Nickal.

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CasualObserver's picture

I was just pointing out what projections were vs what actual points were. Because, like I pointed out the other day, if Penn State doesn't get a champions worth of bonus points, it'll be a tough one for Ohio State. When their bonus point machine is rolling, a bigger tournament favors Penn State.

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

Tough road to a team national championship.  Seeding and placement wise PSU seems to have an easier go of it.  The guys can't focus on that though, just go out and do your job!

GO BUCKS!

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brutus0717's picture

I'm trying to be as patient as possible for the NCAAs, but I'm dying for this tourney to start. Looking for some really big finishes for a handful of our guys, and maybe a surprise or two as well. Let's Go Bucks!

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Rollin'85South's picture

NATO should be able to make the finals with the same game plan against Lee (Not taking bottom). The way McKenna has been wrestling, I think he gives Meridith a run for his money and could make the finals. Martin, Moore, and Snyder should all be in the finals. That’s 5 guys who have legit shots at winning the whole thing. Penn State did it last year, I hope this year the Buckeyes can pull it off. Micah got a good draw too. Hopefully a few guys in for 3rd and 4th and that would be tough to beat. 

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The Cynic's picture

I wouldn’t say PSU has an advantage seeding wise. Nolf gets Kemerer in the quarters, and that’s a very tough quarterfinal match. If he isn’t close to 100%, he won’t advance. Joseph has a very dangerous Lewis in the quarters. And Lee gets a tough Alber in the second round, and then would get Meredith in the quarters. He’s not advancing past that.

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BigJoe21's picture

Some huge matches await.. I trust Tom will have our boys ready to go next week!

Our Honor Defend

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RBurgundy4's picture

Phenomenal layout, Andy. Crushed this. Thanks!
157 is a serious class.
I am far from a rasslin expert, but I do know an athlete when I see one and Mark Hall at 174 is a tremendous athlete. Not proud to state that, but credit where it's due and all. He'd find a way to win in 80+% of just about any sport, IMO. Not just a wrestler. He's a really impressive athlete. Hope he gets caught early!

#CalpoppyStrong

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Sampson8080's picture

He'd be a great success at any sport that allows relentless stalling at the end of any game/match.

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RBurgundy4's picture

My post was a bit risky, and I knew that. What I'm saying is that, regardless of the sport, that kid is a great athlete and competitor. I'll take him on my team 7 days per week. I just won't talk to him.

#CalpoppyStrong

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j2gobucks's picture

I get that he stalls (a lot) and doesnt seem to get called on it as much, but to discredit him as a wrestler is crazy.  He is what, a 6 time state champion and won the NCAA tournament as a true frosh?  I hate his non-aggressive style, and I do think he could/should be called for stalling more often, but no way is he not deserving of a lot of credit.  

I hope Bo stomps his ass into the ground this go around and takes the title, but I still give Hall a bunch of credit for being a beast.

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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Sampson8080's picture

I was (mostly) being facetious. Hall is an amazing talent and seemingly a really good guy as well. 

But I agree, to watch Hall wrestle and then someone like Moore (or especially Nickal), is head scratching.

Of course, I used to prefer watching David Taylor over Kyle Dake, and Dake ended up being the 4-timer (and dominated Taylor head to head through the years). So I'm not one to listen to when it comes to style.

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CasualObserver's picture

No, you're right. David Taylor is/was way more fun to watch wrestle. Dake wrestled like Pletcher, only way more blatant.

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Andy Vance's picture

Glad you mentioned Pletcher - because that's who I thought of when this discussion popped up. I think if that wrestler was on your team, be it Hall or Pletcher or Dake, you'd love him... but if he's not your guy, all you see is low-scoring, conservative (stalling?), maddening style of wrestling.

CasualObserver's picture

Except Hall is also one of the most dominant wrestlers in the country in terms of bonus points. And I think tenth in pins. If you only watch him wrestle top five guys (Bo and Zahid), of course they'll be tighter. Just like anyone else that wrestles top five guys. Way less room for error, way less "push", if you will.

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Andy Vance's picture

True enough, and I suppose I should have said that differently so it didn’t sound like I was comparing Hall and Pletcher... merely making a point that I enjoy watching Pletcher wrestle, but I think if I was a fan of a different team, he’d drive me nuts. In the same way, a Buckeye fan probably thinks Bo Jordan got stalled out of a national title last year because Hall got away with murder in the third.

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Oh, I completely get it. But, there's a few things to consider. One, a close match with high ranked wrestlers is going to lead to that sort of screen from the leader in the third. You see it a lot. It's just more aggravating when it's in the NCAA finals. Which, again, should be even more expected.

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Andy Vance's picture

Agreed. Par for the course, and you're right, every match should be tighter in the final two rounds of the tournament. McKenna, Micah and Captain American were the only Buckeyes to earn bonus in the final two rounds of the tournament, and Jordan pinning Kemerer was one of the more shocking developments, especially for Hawkeye fans who thought they had the upper hand in that match. But beyond that and two Major Decisions - one each from McKenna and Snyder - the rest of the team's matches were decisions.

CasualObserver's picture

Speaking of Hawkeye fans. There's one on Hawkeye Report that legitimately thinks Retherford's bow and arrow is his way of stalling, and should be called as such.

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Sampson8080's picture

I have lots of thoughts on the draws, but think McKenna drew about as well as could be hoped. I much rather wrestle Jack in the quarters than Heil. Dean is "down" this year, but as the saying goes, form is temporary, but class is forever. And Heil is a champion.

I also really like Bobo's draw.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Hopefully Snyder gets to go out on top, and hopefully he gets to beat some wolverine ass, again, on the way.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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jbuckeye007's picture

WOW B1G is really tough in Wrestling!!

Go Bucks Bring home the Natty!!!!  

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Molandisi's picture

Where can we see either results, updated brackets, or live stream the sessions?

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bdhof's picture

ESPN will be covering all sessions I think on one of their stations. Ncaa.com has live streaming where you can pick the mat you want to watch. Live updates are on trackwrestling.com or flowrestling.com.

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Sampson8080's picture

WatchESPN App (which is a fantastic resource and the best thing ESPN has done in a decade) will be showing every single match live and each session on demand. 

Best thing to do is go to Track Wrestling and get the mat assignments and then use WatchESPN to follow all of the Buckeyes. The Buckeyes' wrestling twitter account usually also has mat assignments.

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Eph97's picture

This is OT, but if you want to see a wrestler handle Zain easily youtube his matches with Aaron Pico. Can Ryan persuade Pico to stop this MMA nonsense and come to OSU? One can dream.

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