Ohio State Not Named in Latest College Basketball Recruiting Bombshell Report From Yahoo! Sports

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TheShookster's picture

two of my favorite things...OSU not being in trouble with the FBI and Dr Elliot Reed

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Um... I'm not sure who this Dr. Elliot Reed is, I just see "not Becky" from Roseanne... /s

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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ByTheNumbers's picture

Pretty sure that's.....wait for it.....Stella.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Freaking Stella. He was willing to move to Jersey for you!

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CincyBucksFan's picture

Very refreshing to see neither OSU or UC on the report.  On the other hand, I'm currently making fun of all the sanctimonious XU fans I know.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Sanctimonious XU fans?  What in the world would they have to be sanctimonious about? Being a small fish in a small pond?

Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019

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CincyBuck's picture

But, but...  Catholics vs. Convicts.  Except Xavier has far more criminal issues in recent history.  And, apparently, they pay their players.  Sanctimonious indeed...

Sadly, assuming this report is legit, I suspect it's the last time we'll hear anything of note about it from the NCAA.  The purposeful incompetence at that organization is maddening.  It's pathetic that Emmert grand stands today, and, tomorrow, will think of a way to cover this up and/or make it disappear.  I hope I'm wrong. 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Just read the NCAA is going to take over once the feds are done. But I'm assuming that means schools like Creighton, Wichita, XU, etc. have to vacate every win, reduce 9 scholarships every year for 10 years and the head coaches get show clauses while the UNCs, Duke and Kentuckys of college basketball get away with nothing.

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Etenim's picture

The report mentions a number of premier programs including Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina, Xavier and features two Big Ten Schools: Michigan State and Maryland.

Agreed, SKK. I read the above and thought, "Uh oh - Xavier and Maryland are in big trouble! With the scandal facing Izzo and MSU already it's probably far easier for the NCAA to sacrifice them as well.

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allinosu's picture

In MSU's case I wonder how you regulate somebody's mother from taking money.

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Etenim's picture

Sadly, assuming this report is legit, I suspect it's the last time we'll hear anything of note about it from the NCAA.  The purposeful incompetence at that organization is maddening.  It's pathetic that Emmert grand stands today, and, tomorrow, will think of a way to cover this up and/or make it disappear.  I hope I'm wrong.

This. As I'm reading Emmert's statement I'm thinking, "Who are you kidding? If you meant any of that UNC of the ACC would've been buried with the same vigor you buried UNC of Northern Colorado for academic fraud."

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Spivan's picture

Considering probably 90% of the NCAA revenue comes from the basketball tourney, i wouldn't be surprised in the least if this went the way of the buffalo for awhile...

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Chris Mack has so far been the only coach who's given a statement about it. He denied that any member of his staff was involved with the shady agent. So far it's just been 1 XU player who was in the report to have taken money from an Agent. So long as the coaches didn't know about, or have deep relations with the Agent to the point that they looked like they were in bed together, I think most schools will be okay.

Chris Mack came across well today, and he was smart to get out ahead of the situation.

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bucks22's picture

Honestly surprised we weren't on this list.  

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Why?  You have inside dirt?

Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019

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bucks22's picture

No inside dirt.  Just more so talking about Thad landing some amazing classes and then it faltered off for a couple of years and then the class with Giddens, Harris and all those guys that were a top 5 class.  I know how shady college basketball recruiting and the AAU circuit is and when I heard there were that many schools that were going to be listed on the report I honestly thought we would be on there. 

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SilvioDante's picture

So you just didn't pay attention to Ohio state basketball or Thad Matta the last 5 years? When he got fired, he said more than the wins, more than anything, he wants to be remembered as someone who ALWAYS did things the right way.

Theres been rumors we lost out on a lot of kids because Thad was clean and by the books.

"Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!... Tina, eat. Food. Eat the FOOD!"

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bucks22's picture

Im not saying Thad isnt by the books at all.  Im saying I know how shady college basketball recruiting is.  We had a few lousy classes after 2011 and then signed a top 5 class in 2015.  

Those players from that 2015 class have all left and didnt seem like a good fit for Ohio State and I could have seen something shady going on with how they handled themselves and how all the reports were out about them not being good teammates and bad apples.  

Not knocking Thad at all because what he did for Ohio State was amazing and he deserves all the praise in the world.  This is more about the players that were signed. 

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ibuck's picture

 I could have seen something shady going on with how they handled themselves and how all the reports were out about them not being good teammates and bad apples.  

Are you searching for any possible negativity?

Or do such worries run deep in you?

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Buckloving's picture

I think Tress said that too

bobbyd

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Perhaps that's exactly why Thad's recruiting faltered off. He wasn't willing to to commit recruiting violations just to get a recruit. He's pretty much said that there have been cases where it appeared that a top rated player moved on from Ohio State, but really Thad and the staff moved on from him. So in short, Thad ran a clean program, even if it meant missing out on players he wanted.

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bucknut1994's picture

People were up in arms when Luke Kennard went to Duke, Carlton Bragg went to Kansas and VJ King went to Louisville, saying that Thad can't recruit. He could recruit, he just wasn't going to pay for players and that's why those in state players went elsewhere. 

Not even mentioning Kobi Simmons who was about to come to OSU before Arizona came in at the last minute and dropped a bag for him.

#94Ways

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Firedup's picture

Yes!!!!   Kobi Simmons is the one that cemented how much class Thad Matta had.  Arizona came out of nowhere to land him without him going to Tuscon.  Also made me wonder why there wasnt a focus on instate talent that would need money to come to OSU 

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cricejr's picture

OK, just so I understand, you were surprised Ohio State wasn't mentioned because 20 of 351 schools were mentioned.  5% of all schools.  And you thought Ohio State would be mentioned because....um, I guess because AAU is shady and we got a good recruiting class a few times?  OK then. 

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bucks22's picture

Yes because thats what I said.  Apparently Ohio State is in the same tier as all the MAC schools, America East, ETC.

Ohio State is a very prominent athletics school in case you haven't heard.  They were talking about big time athletic schools.  Not the Hartford Hawks.  

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I'm thinking some fans might be wondering if there's any smoke how Thad got 5 star talents from out of state like Silk, Conley and Oden---and they breathed a sigh of relief that OSU hasn't been named yet.

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OldColumbusTown's picture

The difference is those were different times.  These types of things weren't an expectation, which they have now become, for the top-rated players.  If player A in 2016 received $10K and he is buddies with player B who is set to be a 2017 recruit, do you think the 2017 recruit starts to wonder if he'll get some side coin?  I think this whole thing started with a few big-time players and began to trickle down to the majority of the top-rated players.

The interesting thing is most all of this has become a thing in the past few years.  What in the world has changed recently?  I would submit two things - 1) John Calipari and his 1-and-done culture at Kentucky, and 2) Coach K and Duke "reluctantly" dipping into the 1-and-done pool.  All of a sudden, programs are tripping all over themselves to fight for the players expected to be in school just 1 year.  Kentucky was THE destination for those players for several years, along with various other programs going after one of those guys here or there.  But when Duke, Kansas, and the other big boys became involved and fought amongst themselves for the 1-and-done guys, it became an arms race and the agents and shoe companies had a feeding frenzy.

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PhillyNut's picture

The classes really did not falter much, it is just that the 4 and 5 stars that came in did not play to their star billing.  Loving, Amir Williams, Scott, and others were highly rated.  Just failed to perform. 

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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CincyBucksFan's picture

Have you seen our recruiting lately? The only good player we have gotten is Russell

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Lighteyes's picture

KBD was a top-30 player nationally, Tate was a top-60 player nationally, and the 2015 class had five 4-star prospects.

Yes, none of them was a five-star wanted by everybody like Russell...but any of those dudes probably could have gone to a school like Maryland, Alabama or Xavier instead.

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wojodta's picture

Of course, Carolina's mentioned. They gotta be the dirtiest program of all time. I bet nothing will happen to them again.

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

Well I'm sure money was available to all their students.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Louisville would beg to differ.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

So would Kentucky

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

The entire state of Ky is basketball obsessed and willing to do whatever it takes... 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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c11058's picture

I was surprised to see that WVU and Larry Huggins didn't get a mention!  

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Bucknut20's picture

They're both bad. However, one could argue that Louisville's main problem was scumbag Pitino and either a stupid or spineless AD. Where UNC it seems like the whole damn university is in on it with fake classes.

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ZMBucks's picture

I don't know how many times this has to be published, but the classes were not fake. The courses required a paper to be turned in and graded. If you aren't familiar with this, this is what a lot of universities call independent study courses. The N&O tried to push this storyline, but it was not factual based.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I don't think that it is just Pitino at U of L. The football program always seemed shady as well. Pitino and Petrino are both birds of a feather.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Schizo's picture

Looking forward to the next episode of Titus's podcast. 

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Buckeye@317's picture

Every time a new report comes out and we are not named it makes me appreciate Thad that much more. 

And every time a new report comes out and Butler isn't named I like Holtman more and more.

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LilTrautie's picture

Thad and Holtmann are both known for being of the cleanest coaches in the game. I think I read somewhere that they did a coach poll on who the cleanest coach in college basketball was and Holtmann was in the top 5

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CincyBuck's picture

I heard the same thing.  Good news.

Though it makes you wonder: if not cheating is what lands you on this list, what exactly does that say about those who aren't mentioned?  Kind of says a bit about college basketball in general.

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jtlbuckeye1's picture

Thank God they caught them. I've been losing sleep at the thought of people using their talents to make a couple bucks. Here's to hoping we can find a way to nab the art and music majors next. 

Philadelphia born, Buckeye raised, alumni by choice.

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McGrind's picture

Dude they don’t even pay the faculty in an art school, let alone the students. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Great that our Bucks aren't implicated.  Thad, for all his issues the last few years, did things the right way.  We were lucky to have him.  That said, the NCAA is a paper tiger.  They won't do anything to the bluebloods of this sport.  UK, UNC and a host of others should have had the book thrown at them for numerous infractions over the years.  They were given a slap on the wrist....every one of these coaches is meeting w/ their PR guy as we speak and coming up with his own version of "Neither myself or this university never knew"....

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IGotAWoody's picture

 "Neither myself or this university never knew"

That's a double negative, so they would be saying they TOTALLY knew!

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

More like it was very poorly written : )

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elitesmithie's picture

Well well well Duke and UNC, I am assume East Carolina will be properly punished for this

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John-A-Tron's picture

Man, Thad did so much for the program.  Surprised with Xavier... Thank you Thad!!!

"Ice! It's in my veins!" - D'Angelo Russell

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bigtenspeed's picture

I knew someone would gif this shot as soon as I saw it live. Nice!

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Lighteyes's picture

It's a pretty awesome gif.

The only way it would be better is if the score at the bottom got cropped out, so we don't have to acknowledge Rutgers exists.

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cricejr's picture

Duke??? GASP!!!  And it's absolutely hilarious that Alabama is on the basketball list but of course not football!  Even when recruits post pics flashing cash saying how they love Alabama. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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livinginthegrey's picture

Or when former linemen tweet the got paid...

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Bama's last two recruiting classes have been really strong. Not surprised.

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Jdadams01's picture

Coach Cal and Kentucky have cheated? I can't believe it. He's never been that type of coach.

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Texas_Bucks's picture

Texas Bucks

"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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buckeyenut74's picture

Ttun has to be in there right??

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bucknut1994's picture

No, John Beilein isn't paying for players. Dude is just a great coach

#94Ways

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Agree - John B is also doing it legit for TTUN.  

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stxbuck's picture

Agree. I'll talk evil on scUM football till the cows come home, but Beilein is a class act and a great coach. Period

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

At least he stopped calling us "Ohio" after Brady Hoke left.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

Before we start throwing babies up in the air in celebration, remember that these names came from just one agent. Do you think he was the only person doing this? As more agents get caught up in this mess, the number of schools will grow. 

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cdub4's picture

This is an excellent point. Also, I wouldn't assume the coach and or school was complicit in every single situation. There is no reason why a player and agent could have contact independent of the school or staff.

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Yuman's picture

I agree only one ageny’s records have been released. All the others have their shredders running in turbo mode this morning. I also wonder if the FBI will expose anyone dirty at the NCAA offices. I’m I was investing money in players like that I would find someone to pay off in the NCAA to protect my “investment.”

Rlc

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Mile Bridges implicated for <$500 bucks?  Really?  File this under who cares!

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Lighteyes's picture

The typical NCAA punishment for a payment of less than $500 is usually a suspension for around a quarter of the season (3-4 games in football, ~8 in basketball). Given that Bridges is a lock to depart for the NBA in April, Michigan State might decide to just run the clock out rather than suspending him, but with where we're at in the season, if they took action, it would likely wipe him out for both the B1G and NCAA tourneys. Definitely not a "who cares" result.

On a bigger picture, we can certainly wonder about whether it makes sense (no), whether it's ridiculous to monitor trivial sums to players in an age of billion-dollar TV contracts and million dollar coaching staffs (yes), and whether it's straight up ludicrious that the NCAA cares more about a few bucks than university-wide academic fraud at UNC (definitely)...but for right now, the rules are the rules and it absolutely matters when people break them - regardless of how stupid the rules may be.

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faux_maestro's picture

Troy Smith got in trouble over $500.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Schizo's picture

Might want to hold off on hanging that BigTen championship banner. 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

What are the chances this could result in sanctions on MSU this year and give Ohio State the B1G title? 

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Lighteyes's picture

Zero percent. 

1.) If you read the actual Yahoo! article (and you should; it's excellent), the records are actually sealed right now and not available to the NCAA and the NCAA is legally barred from interviewing a lot of the witnesses due to laws against interfering with active criminal investigations. So they cannot even begin their infractions process until they get access to all this, which isn't going to happen any time soon. And once that starts, remember that the infractions process is a long drawn-out process where schools have a couple months to respond to the Notice of Violations, then the NCAA takes a couple months to respond to that, then they coordinate a date to discuss, and blah blah blah. As an example, Ohio State's tattoo scandal was acknowledged by the school with a lot of the information immediately available and it still took almost a year before the entire process played out. 

2.) If this ends up causing sanctions later down the road, Sparty's B1G title might be vacated, but they've never (to my knowledge) gone back and actually changed the result to award the title/wins to someone else. Instead, it'll just be vacated and left blank like how USC nobody won the 2004 national title or how Louisville nobody won the 2013 basketball championship or how 2010 Ohio State football went 12-1 and won the Sugar Bowl played only one game the entire year.

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Hockeybuck's picture

I'm still waiting for my Sugar Bowl ticket refund, since that game didn't happen and what not.

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TheShookster's picture

I say just punish the kids and coaches who were caught, but don't put programs on probation. The last thing I want is to watch a version of college basketball where the Dukes and UNC's of the world are inelligible. Who wants to win a title that way?

I did not think of Bridges potentially not playing this weekend...that would be interesting. I still think MSU wins that one but you never know

Also, it would be one of the most shocking things ever if Thad had any connection to any of this. Spoiler alert, he didn't. 

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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McGrind's picture

The Institutions benefitted from the cheating...they need to be punished as well...especially if it cultural and recurrent. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

"I say just punish the kids and coaches who were caught, but don't put programs on probation. The last thing I want is to watch a version of college basketball where the Dukes and UNC's of the world are inelligible. Who wants to win a title that way?"

After years of watching the basketball team struggle, count me as one that would take a title any way we can get it.

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dcbucks's picture

Thanks to this report I learned Alabama has a basketball program.

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Lighteyes's picture

Don't feel bad, there are a lot of diehard Alabama fans who didn't know that either.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I'm very interested to see what will happen in the short run and eventually in the long run.  At least there was no selling of one's private property for a tattoo. 

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Son of Sevenless's picture

I wouldn't mind seeing Duke go splat.

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TJG32's picture

BOOM?

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Coach Matta, your legacy is assured. Thanks for doing it the right way, NCAA Championship be damned.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Buckeye Bill's picture

I wish I could upvote this a 1000 times.

"Bring back St John"

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youra6's picture

But... but... those tattoos though!

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ohiopanda's picture

Good to see, though I'm pretty surprised to see Xavier listed - but articles are indicating Xavier didn't really do much and some of the claims are timed a bit odd. As others have said, schools like Xavier might get hit hard while UK/KU/UNC keep the business running

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"If that's the case, this weekend's race for the Big Ten crown just got a lot more interesting."

Mute point as I think the Hoosiers win. Hard to offset those refs there.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Mute point as I think the Hoosiers win.

You're no Carnac the Magnificant, 3, but that point is moot as well. ;-)

Go BasketBucks!

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

In this particular game, you're correct but the ref point in Bloomington is a solid one.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

A "top 20" list I'm glad we're not on lol.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

What we all want to see: Duke, NC, UK go down the shitter.

What we will see: A few wrist slaps and a smaller program like Xavier get taken to the cleaners.

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earthpig's picture

Nature abhors a vacuum..  With the kind of money in college sports, people will find a way to get a cut..  If the NCAA would adopt something along the lines of the Olympic model for its athletes we might see a decrease in this crap..

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

Say what you will about Matta but the guy recruited well and he ran a clean program.

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Homey1970's picture

Let's solve this now.

Allow players to earn royalties from their appearance/likeness with no active commercialization (i.e., no commercials or on-air promoting) and place the earned revenue in a trust until their NCAA days are over.  Allow early withdraw from those trusts in cases of family emergencies/contingencies.  Eliminate the 'one-and-done'.  If foregoing pro ball out of high school, mandate a two-year commitment to the school.  Allow no-sit transfers when a coach is fired or leaves after a 30 day cooling off period from the time a new coaching staff comes on board.

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TLeeUpInThisJ's picture

Why is the FBI spending time and resources investigating payments to college athletes? It feels like such a harmless thing to invest resources on.

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bucksfan92's picture

They aren't.  They don't care about college athletes getting paid, they were investigating tax fraud and money laundering.  They could not care less about college athletes getting paid, unless they didn't report it to the IRS.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Sean Miller is going to have some sleepless nights...

Sucks being him caught on and FBI wiretap...

GO BUCKEYES!

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andretolstoy's picture

Am I mistaken to think that what we are seeing here with the Pitino, and now, Miller "stuff" is the true face of college basketball starting to show itself? At least on some level for those coaches who don't have the elite system?  

Also, would this be, at least, partially one of the reasons why Thad was so frustrated/frustrating as of late; why top recruits were so difficult, because he wasn't willing to play this "game?" 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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