Spring Preview: Early Enrollees Who Could Make an Impact in 2018

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Hovenaut's picture

Good to read Jackson will be set to go for spring, he's going to be huge (literally, figuratively) on the front line this season.

Liking MTIII as well, thinking he could be the change-up guy to give opposing coordinators fits.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Buck68's picture

IMO the physical key to Jackson's spring practice 'readiness', is what regular/compensatory conditioning he IS able to do in winter conditioning. 

And, of course, there are no restrictions on learning the play book and signals... and recognition keys in film study.

Jackson has a narrow window on paper to make a big addition to the interior DL... and plenty of competitors already 'entrenched' to beat out before he plays.  Our recent prior juco's have been 'top rated'... but a development/contribution disappointment here...so far.

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703Buckeye's picture

Jackson needs to produce immediately. Urban doesn't go after juco players often and Antwuan is already physically prepared for the college game.

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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Buck68's picture

yes.  yes.  that is the physical question.

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Buck68's picture

based on my travels in Polynesia... Tommy will also look 30... when he's 40.  Gee... i hope that some OL 'is wondering' about that... when they snap the ball!   ;-{)} 

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Trebor40's picture

I agree, psychologically I have seen the effects of the "grown man beard" upon opposing players! Young Midwest and Southern kids might be apprehensive going up against the "other" 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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Buckeye82's picture

Ninth grade wrestling team - I was in same weight class as the captain on our team. He always kept a rough beard (yes in 9th grade) so he could give his opponents a rug burn with his chin.

Buckeye82

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Texas_Bucks's picture

A guy I went to school with was shaving in the 6th grade - not kidding - if I'm lyin' then I'm cryin' and I ain't shed a tear - in Junior High, he'd have 5 o'clock shadow by 2 o'clock - his older brother couldn't grow a whisker to save his life.

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"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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wyatt's picture

Greg Oden came in looking about 40 also.  The way his body broke down, maybe he was 40.

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

We're going to have a nasty defense this year

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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Buck68's picture

we will have MANY opportunities to DEMONSTRATE our attitudes and skills on the field this year.  

Let us let the adjectival verbosity... swirl and explode and hyperbolize.

But... never FOCUS on it, be cause this team is going in Harm's Way to climb that Mountain..

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

I see your posts a lot, and all I think is..wtf is up with the random punctuation and capitalization haha.

I'm just excited to see Okudah shine, hes going to be special

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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Buck68's picture

I hope Coach Mariotti works similar 'speed development' with our DBs as he did with Mike Weber last year....

As for words like 'shine' and 'special'... they obscure rather than contribute to any 'thinking' that might be behind them.  So I'm not 'excited' to see them, i'm disappointed the author didn't bother to describe what he meant.

OSU_1992_UFM:  I see your posts, My intent is to understanding your meaning.  Why would you "see", and then choose to restrict yourself from "thinking"?  Of course we all have done, do, and will do this - but that doesn't build a case for our thoughtlessness.

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

Um? I'm excited to see Okudah play? I think hes going to be a hell of a corner. I don't know how else to describe it.

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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Buck68's picture

Thanks!  You just gave 3 comparatively descriptive examples.

1-"He is special" c/f "I'm excited to see Okudah play".  First sentence begs "who says"?  2nd: you are the subject, + adds your excitement is [somewhat] based on your personal observations.

2-"i think" - again, sentence subject is clearly you.

3-"I don't know" - huge addition, saying you don't know what else to say.  This qualifies your feelings, observations, and sources. 

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

You're trolling me right?

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I consider myself an intelligent person.

To CONSIDER is to THINK of ones personal self observations....wait it's rubbing off on me...

This dude definitely still writes in cursive.

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

aH yeS CURSIVE....what(!!!) aN OUTdated stYle

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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Buck68's picture

I am not "trolling" you.  However, each person is free to perceive or interpret as he chooses.

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Texas_Bucks's picture

Texas Bucks

"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

Got a live cam of me right now

Da fuk?

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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MountainsAwait's picture

TL;DR

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Buck68's picture

LOL;  TL;DR would be a possible rational conclusion IF you could read without seeing its length, AND achieve zero comprehension.

 ;-{)} 

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OSU_1992_UFM's picture

You are a strange commenter

Spring football is like non-alcoholic beer.  It looks like what you want, but only intensifies your desire for the real thing--Earle

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cdub4's picture

This IS the understatement OF THE day....or QUITE possibly THE year ;)

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LilTrautie's picture

Buck68, if you could please just type your comments in a way that is legible for others to understand we would all really appreciate that. I'm not usually one to care about this, but I find that your comments often lead others, including myself, to become very frustrated. I don't want to make a big deal out of this, but it really causes me to get frustrated at this website's comments when I would much rather be able to enjoy being able to talk sports with fellow Buckeye fans. Go Bucks!

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EMoThaGr8's picture

Me, I challenge myself to understand what Buck68 is attempting to convey. I almost always fail, and yet somehow I’m delighted that I do. Or that I don’t...

Seewhatimsayin?

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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Buck68's picture

LilTrautie - "but..." if you

"would much rather be able to enjoy being able..."

then why do you permit "it" to "cause [you] to get frustrated"?

I hope you are not suggesting that the lesser [me] causes you [the greater] to give up your enjoyment... or any of the many freedoms we have already been given.

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DroneBuck's picture

Didn't realize John Belushi was in this year's recruiting class... Bluto is sure to be a crowd favorite!!

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Chewbucca's picture

I believe that's "Senator" Blutarski.

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KeithByarsRightFoot's picture

When talking about defensive tackles, it's really important to distinguish between 1 technique (nose tackle) and 3 technique. They are just totally different positions. Yes, we're loaded with talent at DT, thanks in part to Dre'Mont Jones returning at 3 technique. But at 1 technique we have Robert Landers (amazing athlete but undersized and not a 3-down guy), Davon Hamilton (career backup), and maybe Haskell Garrett (true soph who mostly played 3 technique last year). 

The 1 technique is a grown man's position. So we are VERY fortunate to have a mature, natural nose tackle in the form of Antwuan Jackson. I'm really looking forward to a rotation of Jackson and Landers at nose.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Excellent point.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Buck68's picture

well said.  Who has said Antwan Jackson is 'set' at NG?

and yes, #1 & #3 are "totally different"... except for the similarities.  But agree - there are no similarities, if we do not look for them, or recognize the staff's ways of teaching skill techniques.

agree this spring will see some serious interior DL competition among Hamilton, Landers, Garrett - and i don't mean to 'get' or 'lose' some label.

GO BUCKS!

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tbirnbrich's picture

Technically no one is "set" at any DT position, but the body type and playing style of the player determines where they typically end up along the line. Guys like Jones will elite quickness and burst will play the 1 tech to gain an advantage on the slower Guards, while the big boys like Jackson play the 3. The 3 is really mean for the heaviest and biggest guys on the team; the space eaters. Jackson, though quick and disruptive in his own right, has the size we need for the 3 tech. I'd bet he cracks the 2 deep by end of spring and is likely the starter next to Jones in the fall.

I will pound and pound you until you quit

- Woody Hayes

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EMoThaGr8's picture

All that you said is correct; just flip it around (Jones is a 3 Tech, and the 1 Tech is the NT/space eater) are you’re spot on. 

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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KeithByarsRightFoot's picture

As eMo notes, your descriptions are right but you got yer numbers flipped. 

If Ohio State has struggled in recruiting at any position, it's been the 1 technique. At 3 technique, we've had great success taking athletic high school DEs like Dre'Mont Jones and Adolphus Washington and sliding them down. And we've done OK doing the same for the nose tackle position, taking athletic 3-technique types and sliding them down to the nose. For instance, both Adolphus Washington (who I think weighted just 220 pounds when recruited) and Michael Bennett spent a year playing the 1 technique. Tracy Sprinkle last year was a 3-tech who played at nose, filling the gap left by Michael Hill's suspension.

It'll be interesting to see where the young tackles shake out. We have a TON of depth at the position (people forget about Malik Barrow and Jerron Cage), so the coaches will have some decisions to make about who they'll shade over center the next couple years. 

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Buck68's picture

you and KeithByarsRightFoot have your NT and 3Tech choices switched [Jones & Jackson] but your criteria 'mixed'.

One thing we have in common - in spring we're not comparing to opponents... who just may have an interest in this matter come fall when each takes his turn....    ;-{)}

Due to our quality depth... we have many opportunities to leverage further advantages... but that requires 'specialization' vs specific opponent and their players for that particular week.

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Trebor40's picture

I also believe Landers benefits from seeing reps later in games, he is a fast twitch player who I believe is often best utilized when in the middle of the second quarter offenses have set a rhythm, also late third quarter. These are the times when teams often roll out there best plays of the first fifteen script. Robert then disrupts that rhythm and QUICKLY turns 2nd and 6 into 3rd and 8. Then hopefully he gets to stay on the field and attack the opposing pass pro scheme. If he has had to slug it out over the first and even second period some of this does not develop - i.e. the opposing lineman are already accustomed to his quickness and he has given more of himself thus limiting his burst! I am extremely hopeful Antwuan Jackson shares this load. I feel strongly that if he does then gain reps in the area of 60/40 then Dre'Mont Jones along with which ever is in and the terrifying Young/Bosa on the outside are going to end drives regardless of what is behind them! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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KeithByarsRightFoot's picture

I agree completely on Landers. He's an exceptional player and a huge situational weapon for this defense. But if you ask him to grind meat for four quarters, he's going to wear down. 

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Buck68's picture

IMO, given our talent versatility, we ought to 'change' more to gain specific advantages in concert [create/exploit an initiative], than just to change at some time, or for the sake of 'fresh'.

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Buck68's picture

before one can "tell the difference[s] between", one must define the desired attributes, skills, and tasks for each position.  And this is no 'been there done that' linear function, but a dynamic, situational, tactical, teamwork feedback function - i.e. ongoing decisionmaking.

yes i admire the 'grown man' who eats double-teams for a snack and stonewalls the middle so all those other 'not quite as grown' men can do what i want them to do 'naturally' ... always stuff every play.

but alas... "they are just totally different positions".   ;-{)}

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stuckupnorth's picture

Man I'm a huge fan of Teague already. Im puling for that kid.

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WPB-Buckeye's picture

I second the motion.  The future is bright.

Go Bucks!

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raiderred's picture

While the Buckeyes were set to replace a pair of first-round picks at cornerback last fall, the program is loaded with talent at defensive tackle. Dre'Mont Jones and Robert Landers return, as does regular contributors Jashon Cornell and Davon Hamilton. Haskell Garrett and Jerron Cage — members of Ohio State's 2017 recruiting class — both hope to push for playing time, as well. 

You show that we have a lot of experience and bodies come back at DT. Which I agree with. And then you say this

Similarly, the overall lack of experience at defensive tackle could help Togiai crack the rotation this fall 

Not sure how that makes sense in this article. Seems somewhat contradictory. Looks like we have a lot of players with experience. Be pretty hard for an impact role for both Dts in the class to have.

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Andrew Lind's picture

If you look at their total number of plays and statistics associated with it, though, the group lacks a ton of experience beyond Jones and Landers. I see where it may be confusing, so I’ve updated it to accurately portray my thoughts. In short, there are a lot of bodies at talent, but the experience in important situations is not there.

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raiderred's picture

Alright, gotcha ya. Thanks for the clarification!

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Buck68's picture

yet, the # and type of reps to progress to 'ready', or 'elite'... varies widely...and depends on the type and number of "important situations" our opponents so graciously attempt to provide....   ;-{)}

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Buck68's picture

Andrew -

when we do not look at quality or 'learning curve', we often look at stats / quantities.

stats, absent criteria for those stats, are feelings disguised as information. 

===there are plenty of  contraindicating examples of 'experience'... Munford is a current one.   

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Sanantonefan's picture

Our defense is stacked again. It's a great time to be a Bucks fan!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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WPB-Buckeye's picture

Now if we could just figure out how to score 70 points a game..........

Go Bucks!

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Buck68's picture

6 at a time, repeat until game clock reads 0:00.

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Buck68's picture

stacking is for statisticians.  It's useful in some ways.

But the heart of the matter, is in the men of the team and their leaders - without measure.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Well, we have a huge amount of talented men. We'll see what these young men and their leaders can do with it!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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analyticalguy's picture

Stacked with raw talent, for sure. They just need to produce on the field at at a high D1 level. We'll need to see growth from last year (or from their hs highlights) for that to happen.

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Texas_Bucks's picture

5 UVs for a blank post -  ^ THIS GUY IS THE MAN! ^

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"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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Jdadams01's picture

For those saying our defense is going to be nasty, I'll agree when the LBs prove they have progressed.

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Buck68's picture

agree that, based on last year's performances, and although they improved as a group, IMO our LB's were the weakest of our 3 defensive groups in performance.  Talent... IMO the groups were roughly equivalent.

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Trebor40's picture

I had grown arrogant and felt that though Luke was a GREAT recruiter, anyone of the upper level LB coaches could teach that talent once here. I was sadly mistaken, and I hope now to learn that Davis was also mistaken in his teaching style and not incompetent. The linebackers improved when reset to customary positions instead of using the middle linebacker position as a prize which has previously proven the Peter Principle!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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Buck68's picture

Trebor40 - Not sure what you mean by "mistaken in his teaching style and not incompetent".

From what i've read here, and watching Luke at practice as a player in the mid 90s, Luke has always been a 'bring your lunchpail', hardworking sort of guy who earns respect by his loyalty and straightforwardness.  That's in my use of the term, Luke's 'style'.

As to Luke's particular teaching skills, and teaching skill elements of LB play, i have no personal, first-hand inputs. 

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Trebor40's picture

It appeared to my own (possibly false) perception that linebackers often "caught" the opponent as opposed to ripping into the opponent. That being said, I did not have the great fortune of playing along side nor against Luke, and I felt from all I had read that none held the hearts and minds of the defense as a whole quick like Luke Fickell. Were my son talented enough I would have encouraged him to play for Luke as the perception of the man is of great quality! 

My initial perception of Davis is the LB's seemed to become lost in the middle of plays far to often. Many times they were either questioning what they saw or what to do with the information. This would make it likely they failed to grasp their role which I believe is a coaching issue. As a D2 player, I in no way would question the talent or effort of Luke or Davis for that matter as a player, I am questioning the results of the position and by extension those that coach them and place them in positions of choice. 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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Buckabroad's picture

Our defense already is great. Now we are adding Johnson, Togiai, Mitchell and Vincent among others. Should be pretty nasty. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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BbBnD's picture

Pretty low bar for “great” if the LBs are included. The talent is there, but last year’s results weren’t great in my opinion. 

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Buck68's picture

no one "is" 'great'.

great achievement requires great sacrifice... and continual dedication without distraction.

one key to comparing 'great' to 'good' is when the team produces greater than the sum of its parts....  In the 'addition' department, UFM has added much... but that, is just the ante....  In the Arena...lies the opportunity for greatness....

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

This spring is going to be a lot of fun to see some returning players trying to get on the field and early enrollees.  There is a lot of talent at Ohio State and I look forward to seeing a glimpse of it this spring.

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buckeyefan333's picture

I'm guessing our crunch time D line eventually becomes Bosa and Young on the outside with Jones and Jackson inside with Cooper replacing Jackson in the rushmen package.

I know we rotate a lot, but we do that to have our horses fresh in the 4th (2017 Penn St. game)

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Buck68's picture

agree 333... i'd enjoy a Buckeye Stampede in the 4th Q vs psu....too.   

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CowCat's picture

No doubt we will have the pressure up front on the DL, but there are still questions like:
-- Will the LBs improve from last season?
-- What impact will the additions of Grinch and T. Johnson have on the secondary?

But overall I'm excited to see it all come together.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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goodlifesean's picture

Now I know all star games are a crap shoot, but Tommy T was damn near unblockable at times for a dude with a frame that could play @ over 300, he has some major quicks

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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kiddbuckeye's picture

The only one of these that may play out is A. Jackson.

The offensive side of the ball is in UFM control. Very limited rotation except maybe WR. Wish he would give control of this to OC like he does the other side.

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Seattle Linga's picture

The more I read ........... the more I like 

I betcha we see Master Teague cutting his teeth on Special Teams this year.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

This year's team is especially deep. I wouldn't be surprised if no freshman made an impact outside of special teams, and even that might be full of upper class men.

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