More Young, Less Micah

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rosycheeks's picture

I see your point, Mr. Young, but I think Potter has the chance to be a big asset as well. Why not both?

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DroneBuck's picture

Because unfortunately it's a zero sum game. There's only so many minutes to be allocated, and playing time for these 2 players happens to be inversely proportional. The more Micah plays, the less Young plays and/or vice-versa. Simply stating I'd prefer to see more minutes for Kyle as our backup post-player, because I believe he brings a little more to the table and his growth potential could be huge if he played extended minutes and got a chance to find a rhythm and develop some confidence out there.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

There are moments where each may be better suited than the other. I don’t think it’s zero-sum at all.

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SilvioDante's picture

I would not use any of the adjectives you did to describe Young. Most of this season he has seemed overwhelmed and over his head. Not to mention he gives up 3 inches and 30 lbs to Potter.

Hell, against Iowa he threw the ball to Dakich, who was out of bounds, and getting up to go check in. I don't think we need to be looking at him for a significant contribution this year.

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DroneBuck's picture

You don't think Kyle Young is a springy, explosive athlete? Man I don't know what you see when you watch a game. Kid is very twitchy and clearly a natural leaper who gets off the floor very quickly. His athleticism seems undeniable as his bounce stands out on a floor shared with other great athletes. 

Did I say he was a polished player? No.

Does he look a little frazzled and over-whelmed out there sometimes? Yes. 

But again, I think these types of things would settle down for him with more court time.

But simply looking at these 2 physical specimens & it is obvious. Kyle Young= impressive athlete. Micah Potter= not so much. Yes Micah is a big body but his movements are slow, plodding and clunky; whereas Young bounces & pounces to where he is going. The difference in the DNA fibers between these 2 players is so obvious it literally jumps off the screen. I'm not sure how you (& others) can't see traits that are so blatantly obvious.

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SilvioDante's picture

Show me some clips from this season where his undeniable athleticism is on display. I'm not saying your wrong. I simply haven't seen that from his short time at osu

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bsk33's picture

Although I don't completely agree with the OP's take on Young versus Potter, he does have a couple of pretty athletic plays this year that stood out to me.

The first was an offensive rebound. The fact that I remember a rebound (the only other one I remember is Tate's one handed snag against Maryland), tells you something.It was against Michigan and KY was surrounded by 4 Wolverines. He skyed above all 4 players and kept the possession alive. It drew some oohs and aahs from the crowd.

The second play that sticks out to me was against Minnesota. Young stole the ball and went the length of the court. A Gopher basically was side by side with him the whole way and in great position to block the lay up or dunk attempt. Yet Young easily posterized the kid with an awesome dunk.

Again, not sure he should steal Potter's mins because Young is so raw on offense right now and he is a natural 4 playing the 5. Pretty sure Young has minimal to no post up skills.

But Young has had some super athletic plays, including the two I mentioned, in minimal minutes. And Micah is shooting about 50% on dunks.

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SilvioDante's picture

Fair enough, I appreciate the examples. And to be clear, I'm no arguing that Potter is the better talent or athlete, just that I haven't seen the explosive athleticism from Young

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SilvioDante's picture

I mean, I saw the big hoss from Minnesota stay step for step with Young. I wouldn't classify that play as incredibly athletic.

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bsk33's picture

You have some high standards for athleticism for college basketball players in my humble opinion.

Not saying that Young is the next coming of Sam Thompson or anything, but he is a 6'8" kid with some serious hops.

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McGrind's picture

Yea, but Dakitch was open....

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Buck68's picture

i'm frustrated about last night's blackout too.

but, as usual, i'm still not qualified to judge a player or a team or a coach or a season by one generous helping of bile.

Buck68

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Keze's picture

Young will have to prove it in practice if he wants more playing time, right now I have to go Potter before Young.  Young IMO needs to pl;ay the game and not have the game play him. Trying to say he needs to get tougher.

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Davep160's picture

It was obvious that once Wesson went that they are NOT the same team.  He scores more, he rebounds better.   

I saw that Technical and checked out.

The lord of brevity.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

 Last night turned into a nightmare the instant Kaleb Wesson injured his ankle. PSU went on a 12-0 run and never looked back. Time after time Micah was out-leaped by an inch or 2 for a rebound, out-quicked by a step or 2 for a loose ball, and straight up out-muscled occasions where the ball was just ripped right out of his hands.

I agree that Micah needs to learn to be stronger with the ball. However, Potter is quicker and can easily out jump Kaleb Wesson so even though you're holding that against him, I don't see where Kaleb does any better in those aspects, and honestly, neither does Kyle Young. Young is considerably smaller than Potter (1" and 35 lbs), so Young playing the 5 spot like Potter does will only work in some situations.

The main problem I have with Young is he is as big of an offensive liability as it gets. He often looks lost with the ball, and can't make anything than an open layup. If it's contested or an actual shot, you can pretty much assume that he's going to miss. Meanwhile, Potter at least makes the defense guard him because he can put the ball in the basket if he gets a good look. 

Like you, I think that Young will be a great contributor before he leaves Columbus. He has a ton of upside. But right now, he's just not ready to see a lot of minutes against quality teams with the game on the line.

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TheShookster's picture

Kyle Young is way more athletic than Micah, I wouldn't mind seeing Kyle get more minutes. But Micah's offensive game is far above Kyle's at the moment. It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.

I've kind of been hating on Potter this year, but I do think he played hard last night. The problem is that effort isn't enough. If I took a shot every time he got out-rebounded, I would have died back in December

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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jpfbucks01's picture

I think in the long run Young will be fine, but I like SilvioDante don't see what the OP was saying.

Potter shoots better from the field and much better from the line. Normalized out on a 40 minute basis Potter averages nearly 3 more Rebs than Young, Potter on a 40 min basis averages 1.4 blocks to Youngs 0.4, Potter has a 1-1 assist to TO ratio on the year Potter is 1-2.5 the wrong way

the one thing he is better at is steals mainly due to being a bit quicker, but I don't think he has earned any more minutes than Potter has.

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HonorDefend's picture

Sorry Dronebuck,  but it must not be blatantly obvious when most comments disagree with you.  Potter led the team in rebounding last night.  In 12 minutes he had 6 rebounds,  K. Wesson had 5 in 17 minutes.  Young 2 in 10 minutes.  Potter has played very well in the last 3 games now the ankle is completely healed.   I like Young and think he will definitely be a contributor in years to come, but he is not better than Potter at this point and time.  Yes, Young plays hard but that is all he has at the moment because to me he mostly looks lost.  But he is doing it right... "I don't know what I am doing but I am going to do it 100%"  

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Buck61's picture

Potter did not play well last night, he was like most of the team in that regard. he is a very frustrating player to watch, He is very inconsistent in his play. He has shown some flashes of talent, but his level of play is average or below average too much of the time.

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BigTom's picture

Kyle is 6’6” small forward micah is 6’9” center.   Kyle young is playing out of position bc of lack of depth in the post and KBD is in front of him.

Apples and oranges.

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bsk33's picture

Kyle Young is a 6'8" and I would say his most natural position is the 4.

Potter is a center, but I do think he would be a more natural fit in a system that plays their centers outside of the paint area more often (Wisky and Michigan come to mind).

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DarrylJenks's picture

Still take Potter over Young at the moment, due to his shooting ability.  Potter has not been too bad on the boards either. I think the coaching staff needs to make up their mind with how they use Potter.  He is a stretch utility that belongs on the perimeter.  Sometimes they run a pick&roll action with him and it works.  This is on the PG to get him the ball and build confidence, because he has a nice shot.  Too often, he tries to play for points down low and that is not his game.  Let him shoot and he will be a valuable asset.

Darr

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Buck61's picture

seen many times where Potter gets good post position but the player on the wing won't throw him the ball. Not sure why.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

This happens way more than it should. Sometimes he’s got such good position it would practically be a layup but usually he only gets it if he is way off the block.

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WezBuck28's picture

IMO, we need a true big man..Wesson is the man, don't get me wrong, but I think we need someone a bit taller and a little more athletic in the post

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teddyballgame's picture

I think we're sorely lacking consistent offense.  KBD is the one guy that is supposed to be able to "get his" whenever he wants but he was off or they defended him super well.  Nobody couldn't buy a jumpshot last night

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buckeyestu's picture

Maybe some one should tell Coach that Young is better than Potter, there is a slight chance Coach doesnt know his players as well as a few other people.

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allinosu's picture

Yea it's a damn shame our coach is shit. If we had gotten a better one we would be undefeated.

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DroneBuck's picture

Ooohhh the classic trusty the coaches post because they are infallible. Clearly they always deploy the best strategies, never have blindspots, never get caught up in the moment or make any mistakes regardless of circumstances. Well played sir! 

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Thedrw's picture

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Sanantonefan's picture

I don't understand this logic. Yes, coaches are fallible. Yes coaches make mistakes. They also spend every minute of practice time with the players. They see their strengths and weaknesses every day. They watch tape of the players. They game plan opponents based on their players' strengths and weaknesses. Yes they make mistakes and are wrong but it is asinine to make such a smart-ass comment because obviously they do have a bit more knowledge than us. It's okay to have a different opinion, but don't blast folks who think the coaches know more than they do. Somebody needs a snickers bar.

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RMLogic's picture

If this team is playing Potter and Andre Wesson more than 10 minutes a game they are not going far in the Big Dance.

Wesson and Jallow had good games against Purdue somehow but they are very poor offensive players. As is Potter and Young.

Potter has been just awful inside at the defensive end. Not sure Young is much better but it might be smart to give him more time.

Potter has now been here 2 years and this is about what we will get from him. Not really much upside.

This team has overachieved for sure. Penn State showed in the 2 games they have more talent especially having multiple scorers.

Not a surprise that Penn State won again but was disappointed by the awful play to start the game (again).

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Numbers's picture

A. Wesson and Jallow bring little to the table at this point. Jallow who should be a HS senior, it's a bit more understandable. A. Wesson being his 2nd year...a much different story. I looked it up...these two guys are the only 2 OSU players going back to the early 2000s (as far back as stats go on the OSU website) to average more than 15 minutes per game and yet (somehow) only average 2 points, 1 rebound and 1 assist per game. that's not a misprint. Jallow is under 1 assist per game. Jallow's minutes have decreased as the season has worn on...but Wesson's have gone up (closer to 20 minute per game in conference play). Some have said Wesson's defense is a valuable asset. maybe it is, he has some bulk and length so he can guard multiple positions. but he ain't David Lighty, either. it's tough when these two guys are playing 30+ minutes in a game on average especially on nights like last night when the team is desperate for secondary scoring from anywhere.

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Blackcoffee's picture

shoot i'm just countin' down to 7PM when i can actualy watch a game at an agreeable time

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I asked the question during a recent BBall Mailbag why Youngs minutes have diminished. Hes a true freshman and not as developed as Potter. Hes also not 6-9 like potter. Thats why Youngs not playing as much. Not as good yet.

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bsk33's picture

He is also a natural 4 playing behind the Big 10 Player of the Year.

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clevelandfan1's picture

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me that Potter has gotten better and better as the season has gone by... he's not the longest or most athletic guy, but he's battling his butt off around the basket though his game is more suited to being a "stretch." I also think Young is improving gradually. I just wish he would take the open shots available to him... he was a very good outside shooter in high school... instead of passing them up. Still seems a bit nervous out there.

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logamaniac's picture

More holtman, less dronebuck

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kevdale86's picture

Logged on to essentially say the same thing. In Holtmann we trust. 

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DroneBuck's picture

Yeah we’ll all be eagerly awaiting Mr Holtmann’s next post on here 

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buckeyestu's picture

Loga i wish i could give you a million upvotes.

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wigmon's picture

The point being missed is that neither is a real good option at the 5. 

Micah is big enough, but he plays like a face up 4.  He is Ok with is vertical, but he is slow horizontally.

young is willing, but he's a 4 not a 5 and just isn't bulky enough. 

I think you have to stick with Potter for the most part as kalebs backup, but there are probably situations where young makes more sense.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Going to need them both today with Wesson hurt 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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ZachariahScholl's picture

Kyle Young has the Tude’ , Micah Potter simply does not. However, both will be key contributors throughout their OSU careers.

Go Bucks!

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ryan_herbert's picture

I agree the “tude” factor that Young brings to the floor gives him the edge over Potter in my eyes.  Can’t wait to see these young guys develop in years to come.  They both have bright futures ahead of themselves. 

O-H

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Buck61's picture

Young in the game before Potter on Sunday

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BradentonBuck's picture

Sorry man I don't see what you see. Young looks lost.

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bucks15's picture

One of Potter/Young need to step up and I think Potter has the most potential to do it.  I just don't see Young bringing anything to the table offensively to deserve extended minutes this year.  If Potter can bring more intensity defensively he has an offensive skill set that needs to at least be respected.

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GranvilleBuck's picture

Was Potter hurt?  He didn't get in the game at all.  Michigan's bench outscored Bucks 26-6.

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I don't know why Potter didn't get into the game today, but I think that today proved that Young is not ready. Great effort, good defense, atrocious offense. 

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

The subtle difference with yesterday's game was Young played along side Wesson at the 4 quite a bit. Surely a matchup thing with some of UM's length.  But not sure why Potter didn't get at least some action at the 5 when Wesson went out.

I like Young at the 4 as I think given some time and confidence he has an outside jump shot hiding in his game.  But he's way out of position at the 5.  He may be 6-7"ish with decent hops but it feels like he has short arms or something. Definitely too much of a below the rim player to play the 5 and be asked to finish around the basket in traffic.

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JBWeb23's picture

This seems to be happening more and more, but it does also depend on matchups.  Young is obviously smaller, and Potter seems to be the better offensive player (at times). Potter is capable of contributing quite a bit, he's a fairly athletic, and he's able to step out and hit some threes, although he falls in love with drifting to the three point line way too much. I definitely think that Young should play more, but his true position is the 4 which is being occupied by KBD.  I think they could both benefit from more playing time, but with Wesson holding down the middle, and KBD at the 4 neither of them will be able to get the playing time they need to really get into the flow of the game I think both of them will be fun to watch over the next few years.

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OSU069's picture

I like Kyle Young's future a lot and he brings a ton of energy and pretty solid rebounding. However, his propensity for getting blocked in the paint or missing any layup that is a little bit contested is hurting us. 

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keato's picture

I like Young's upside just needs confidence and more minutes seem to be coming his way so that should help.

Keato

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jpfbucks01's picture

This kind of conversation gets you thinking about next years team and what we have coming back.

Assuming KBD leaves, then you have CJ at guard, Jallow, and A Wesson, on the wings, and Young, Potter and K Wesson at 4/5 with maybe Young capable of playing the wing.

Add to this the incoming freshman of Muhhamed and Washington at G, Ahrens on the wing and LeDee at the 4. 

Someone is going to need to step up. Muhhamed seems like the real deal and can maybe step into Kam's shows and perhaps LeDee on paper can be productive, but someone out of Potter, Young and A Wesson will need to step up and become a consistent scorer. 

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bsk33's picture

I would add a grad transfer at the guard position as a likely bet based on Holtmann's numerous comments mentioning that as a possibility. My guess for next year:

Starting 5:

G- CJ Jackson

G- Grad transfer or Muhammad

G- Jallow

F- K.Young

C- K.Wesson

Likely consistent bench contributors: Muhammad or Grad Transfer, A. Wesson, M.Potter, LeDee

Maybe a year away from contributing much: Ahrens and Washington Jr.

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