Good money if you can get it.
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I think it's well deserved. If these guys go to market, I'm sure that most of them can make more.
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The question is, are there buyouts for the multi-year guys like head coaches get?
It's a fact......look at salaries around the country and we know these guys are still being paid less
Like really good money. Lowest coaching employee on the roster doubles my salary after 28 years in service. I really got in the wrong profession.
Nah, guy. It looks like you got into the right profession, whatever it is. I'd kill a motherfucker to make your cash.
I feel like you should be able to get more than 150k for killing a motherfucker.
Suppose it depends on whose mom.
And the mom, too? I'm gonna need that other 190K.
Is that a crime ?
Getting a value with Smith
You really think so???
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Hes a heck of a recruiter and the wide receivers are a lot better than what they are credited for. Look how underutilized michael thomas. Either way, this is the year with Haskins I think we start seeing the results.
For the recruiting alone, yeah.
Our receivers are well equipped for the next level with what's there now. They block very well also. Once decent footballs are thrown at them the shine.
Smith is the only remaining original member of the staff. Everyone else has moved on. Even newer staff have had offers. I wonder how much of Urban's respect for Earle Bruce has kept his grandson on staff.
Which Johnson is getting 750K?
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Thanks, that's who I hoped and figured
Personally, I feel LJ is worth more than $750K in comparison. Name one assistant paid more than him who has been called by a few of us "know it alls" (jk) that has been proclaimed as "the best DL coach in the business" over the years like Mr. Larry Johnson!
That' s what I thought. (:>))
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Having two coaches on the staff with the same last name is going to take some getting used to.
LJ & TJ works out alright when writing I bet.
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Are they related to Gabby and Howard?
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I was thinking Blazing Saddles as well
It says Larry Johnson directly to the left of Defensive Line Coach. I'm not trying to be a smart a_s, by the way. I wasn't sure if someone made a modification to it, or not.
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I added the table after original publication, so the question was asked before I added that to the story.
Larry Johnson is a steal at that pay
yeah for real
I really wish we would pay him more, the dude is a coaching legend....would really hate to lose him because of pay.
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How many position coaches are making 750k a year? My guess is his pay would go up if he was DC or co-dc but for some reason he’s stayed as DL only.
subject to raises etc, but per USA Today's database, last year only 35 total asst coaches made more than 750K and all of them were Coordinators of some type
Maybe even crazier is that there were over 200 Big 5 Asst coaches LY that made less than what Smith our lowest will make next year.
I think hes my favorite coach on the staff. Not that I dislike any of the others I just really love everything about what he does. I think its a testament to him in how his players talk about him. Combs was a close second favorite
Ditto $800,000 would have been my minimum for LJ!!!!!!
Agreed. He needs to be paid more, IMO. He's the best DLC in the entire country.
Interesting that Day is getting paid more than Wilson.
Thought that too. Makes you wonder how is taking it.
Buckskin - as pay from 2 sources and a year left to produce a versatile offensive strategy, play-calling & adjusting methodology, and scheme development with Day.
This year is Day's to 'make his case' for 'trust me'... and Urban to grow into a great master HC, from a preferential leader with great recruiting & statistical results.
Did he end up fired for cause at IU? If not, there's probably a clause in that contract that says future salary offsets IU's obligation to him. In layman's terms, he works cheaper because he's being paid out by his IU contract. Same reason many coaches take the analyst positions for $25k; they're still getting paid by their former employer.
Great insight there, Milk Steak to Go. Thanks for offering that. Makes sense.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
Yeah, I wondered if Indiana might still be paying him.
Yep...IIRC Schiano was in that boat last year or the year before when he was making next to nothing for a person with his resume.
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BLOOMINGTON — According to the terms of his resignation, former Indiana football coach Kevin Wilson will walk away from more than $2 million in base pay that would have been otherwise owed to him had he been fired without cause.
But that doesn't quite characterize the situation.
IU athletic director Fred Glass confirmed Thursday night that Wilson would receive $542,000 — equivalent to one year's base salary, paid out over the next 12 months, as part of his separation from the university. Glass said that money would not come with any mitigation or offsetting language, and that if Wilson got another job in football, he would still be on Indiana's books for one more year.
(MY NOTE - MUCH LATER IN ARTICLE)
In the end, everyone got something out of the arrangement the two sides struck. Wilson got guaranteed compensation for his departure, IU got to make the change without having to use the words "fire" or "terminate," and whatever their "philosophical differences," Glass and Wilson got to part on amicable terms, at least publicly.
Wilson left IU with a $542,000 buyout from Indiana that did not contain any offset language and was paid over 12 months following his departure.
But the numbers would make you think Day had offset language from San Francisco. He made $400,000 in 2017 and the original deal called for $800,000 in 2018, prior to today's extension.
Yea he needs a much better agent.
Yes it is. What is also interesting and very exciting to me is that Day signed a 3 YEAR DEAL. I think that means he might stick around a little while!
His son will be absolutely thrilled .
It has to be tough moving a young family like that around all the time. IIRC, when he got here he mentioned the fact that it was going to be nice to be in one place for a while after all the moving they did in the NFL and before that in college. Based on his wiki page it looks like he moved 5 times in 6 years. I wouldn't want to see another moving truck either.
If I made half a million, my wife would be A OK with moving every 6 months. We'd make it work...
That can be rough on kids though. I've done it twice while having 2 in or going into high school. They appreciate their college fund that came out of it though.
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Smith seems to be a bit of an outlier — he’s been here a long time. I wonder how that pay is calculated? Would a receiver coach who could in theory do twice as good be worth $680K? Or is it based on total number of years in coaching or some other factors?
Jeff Scott at Clemson is considered one of the best WR Coaches in the country. He's making $800K per year.
Zach's salary is like top 350 in assistant coaches so he's down the line in terms of what big time programs pay.
Clearly, this is just a theory/guess, but... Meyer once said, 'Smith coaches the receivers like I want them coached'. I might have paraphrased slightly, but that's very close to verbatim as I remember it. What this means to me is that Meyer has a particular process in place for teaching the receivers exactly as he wants them taught, and that Smith doesn't deviate one millimeter from that process. It also means that Meyer's way of coaching the receiver position is unlike most other places, and that Smith is simply an extension of Meyer himself in the receiver room. In other words, Smith isn't going to be one of the higher paid assistants because, in essence, he's little more than a recruiter who follows Meyer's directives to the letter on the practice field. I don't know that a true, seasoned, receiver coach/former player would be able to coach for Meyer because his system is unusual and he doesn't seem willing to tolerate traditional coaching/teaching at that particular position. I would be stunned if Larry Johnson, Studrawa, Schiano, Grinch, Wilson, and Alford don't have varying degrees of latitude when teaching/coaching their position groups/sides of the ball, while I'd bet Zach Smith has absolutely no room whatsoever to free lance. He's Meyer's gofer, basically, for all things coaching/teaching related.
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Kmp10 for the win. I would venture to guess that Smith will have options to move up as an OC with a program sooner then later. With the education he has received these past 6 years from all the coaches he has been around. Sometimes it takes some people a little more time to develop into what they are going to be. He isn't a genius or a lackey in my opinion. Time will tell.
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Add to this that Meyer was a WR coach himself for 8 years plus TE's for another. So I am sure he has some very definite ideas on how they ought to be developed.
Total years in coaching is a major factor with it being relative to what his previous salary was. Smith started at OSU at age 27 with a $150,000 salary and it took 5 years for it to double and is now at $340,000. Consider that he was a full time assistant for only 2 years at Temple when he was hired at OSU (he was a GA and quality control for 5 years), his salary was already relatively low.
He connects well with the kids, ergo a great recruiter. I don't know the guy personally, nor have I ever heard of his coaching abilities from any former players, but many here were pining for a WR coach because of the perception of how good a coach he actually is. Many here would like to see him just focused on recruiting.
Edit after reading Kmp10 comments....I was not aware of that, so if that's how UFM feels, then there ya go!
Makes me wonder if there are job goals that coach Smith and Meyer have agreed to, but which Smith has not yet achieved.
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You're just looking at the very very top of the iceberg. The overwhelming majority of CFB coaches are position coaches at lower P5 and G5 schools making peanuts and spending all of their team sleeping in motels or driving a rental car to swoon a kid they know they probably won't get. It's a great job if you can climb the ranks but otherwise it's pretty brutal.
Yea this is like looking at Fortune 500 C-Suite salaries and wanting to get that job. Lots of little folks out there not making 1/10th of what these guys make.
As an example, even with several private schools not divulging coaches pay, the USA today database for asst salaries for last year, showed 19 Asst coaches who made only $60K or less last year.
Take a guy like Joe Tresey who coached CB's at Kent St last year. He made only $51K. This is a guy who has 3 decades of coaching experience. He had been a DC at UCLA, S Fla, UC, CMU and Akron at one time or another over the years and most recently at Youngstown St prior to the Kent St gig.
From Warren OH he got his Bachelors from OSU and Masters from Ashland.
He had also coached at the HS level in Ohio but also been a DB coach for the Omaha Nighthawks one year...and he got fired when Kent fired HC Paul Haynes this past year.
His resume on LinkedIn is really unbeleivable
1984-85 - asst coach Adena Local Schools
85-86 - HC Mechanicsburg HS
86-87 - Asst Coach Columbus Eastmoor HS
87-90 - HC Fredericktown Oh HS
90-91 - HC New Philadelphia HS
91-95 - HC Middletown HS
95-98 - DC Otterbein College
99-02 - Rec Coord/DB coach Virginia Military Institue
02-03 - DC Akron U
04-06 - DC Ga Southern
06 - DC Central Mich
07-09 - DC U of Cincinnati
10 - DB coach Omaha Nighthawks
11-12 - DC UCLA
12-14 - DC Youngstown St
14-15 - Volunteer coach UC
16 - Defensive Consultant Kent St
17 - DB coach Kent St at the previously mentioned 51K
now out of work
Good for them.
But Larry Johnson deserves more!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Larry Johnson should be a million dollar man, for all that he has done, for the OSU!
Agreed. He should have been the first. Show the man he is appreciated, don't just give lip service. I hope he retires from here.
Was just about to ask how LJ can be so underpaid.
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Betting he's next in line, after Schiano leaves, or within a year of his departure. At that point, we'll probably have 3 assistants over 1M
I know this isn't popular with many, but I think it's overdue. I'm glad that they're willing to pony up to keep top flight talent in the box.
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Couldn't agree more! It seems like OSU has always been towards the bottom of the pack (in terms of other top tier programs) with paying assistants...glad to see this trend changing! I hate coaching turnover.
Davis' raise must have been performance based
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Lolz. Smith and Davis didn't get a raise because they got negative performance evaluations.
Smith clearly got a raise
My work can tell me all day long how good of a job I do and that is great, but I KNOW it when I get a raise. Especially a significant one. Congrats to the staff on a job well done.
Finally, a big 10 school with million dollar assistants that finishes better than 3rd in their division. Looking at you Michigan.
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Wow, why is Johnson paid lower than Grinch?? Larry has paid his dues twice over what Grinch has accomplished.
Grinch is or will be a coordinator. LJ isn't.
Its not about accomplishments its about job title
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apparently that's not the case. coordinator role is a bigger job than position coach. there's a hierarchy.
I like that Day signed a 3-year deal
Also it appears that all sides are being fairly open about this being Schiano's last year.
We hear that every year.
True, but we also didn't hear his name linked to so many jobs until this year (and hell, he even signed a contract). So it certainly seems that one of the first schools to fire its coach in October/November will give him a call.
How is Larry Johnson not making double that?
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It's not my money so if they paid him $1.5m it wouldn't matter to me but $750k for a position coach would have to be near the top for DL coaches in the nation...wouldnt it?
Probably, but results, like ball, don’t lie. And he’s a master recruiter in a tough territory.
While it is quite a bit more relative to what Woody was paid in the 70s, I think if you want to win you need the best. To have the best sometimes it requires paying for it. Let's go win a Natty
Woody was a special case in that he refused pay raises. He was going to stick around OSU in any case, as he was also teaching military history.
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Well earned - I pretty much can’t wait for next season with this coaching staff! Sky is the limit.
I get the same feeling reading this I get on signing day. Locking up top talent. Great news!
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I wonder how much say Urban has in the numbers. I really like the approach of paying people according to their performance more than according to their tenure. I don’t understand the Zach Smith situation. He doesn’t seem like a bad coach yet he’s consistently near the bottom of the payroll and no signs of moving up, yet Urban has kept him around since Florida.
Urban can ask that the staff get raises but at the end of the day its not his money to spend - contracts are negotiated with the AD, not the coach.
My understanding is that the head coach doesn't have direct say in exactly the numbers, but absolutely has influence over it*. They sort of sit down and talk about exactly which coaches need big raises either to keep them around and/or because their performance was stellar enough to deserve it. Gene Smith has the final say and handles the negotiations, but he almost certainly has a detailed knowledge of how much Urban values the coaches.
*At a successful program anyways; I'm sure head coaches who are themselves on the hot seat don't have much pull.
does Ted DiBiase know about this? he's not going to be happy that he has company
This deserved more love, TB
OSU didn't execute and lost to horrible officiating. BOTH things can be true
I don't see Zach Smith staying much longer, but he does seem to have a good relationship with T-Mac and Johnnie Dixon. Let's see if he can turn it around this year with his 6 starters.
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Bill Davis should probably worry more...
Or...do you think Zach will leave on his own accord?
Where is Smith going to go? Has there been a hint of a rumor about another team showing interest? I think he is a decent recruiter and knows how to use social media, but I don't see a lot of improvement/coaching (like Larry Johnson, Kerry Combs, etc) with the wide receivers.
Has he ever seen an offer from another school ? Smith will get a bonus situation this year. The quarterback will pass frequently and well. Zone 6 will be taken to a new level. Hopefully it helps us formulate a great attack with amazing balance.
Things will improve with decent footballs thrown.
I don't see Zach Smith staying much longer
heh, I was looking back at old comments, and I found this one...John-A-Tron, you were right, but I bet for different reasons
Million dollar assistants tisk tisk.. but if a player receives a free pizza the NCAA wants to strip the player of everything smh. I get it, but it’s still crazy to me that the economics of CFB is so outdated and one sided.
LJ should absolutely be the highest paid assistant
And he is
Anyone think Davis got a bad employee review, being the only one to not get a raise?
First thing I picked up also. Chuckled a bit from it.
Won’t happen again...next time it will be ‘happy to write a LOR to your next employer’...
I am not one to be critical of coaches...but the mid season switching around of positions is not a good look for a coach...bet Schiano or someone stepped in. Surest way to not get a raise is have someone else step in and do your job. tThat being said..was his first year in college...so there is his mulligan.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
People are way too harsh on Davis. It was clear from the get go that moving Worley to MLB was a bad idea, and if I remember correctly that wasn't his idea. Once Worley went to his old position and Tuf Borland, a more natural fit at MLB stepped in, the linebackers started playing much better.
Fans got the same idea with Coach Stud during 2016 because Isaiah Prince struggled. Stud was never the problem, it was Warinner's recruiting misses (i.e. transfers)
1 year isn't enough of a sample size to start judging our assistant coaches.
I don't know. I can certainly understand the criticisms with Bill Davis and Greg Studrawa.
In Studrawa's case, the offensive line was much better and played well. Additionally, there was clear development along the line. However, this year's offensive line rarely dominated elite competition. Penn State is probably the closest the offensive line got to this. Yet, they didn't plow through teams like Oklahoma, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, or USC.
People were used to seeing Warinner's lines dominate every team they play. The 2013 offense was probably Ohio State's best ever, and there wasn't a huge passing element. It was all down hill. The 2014 team went from a sieve against Virginia Tech to a steam roller against Alabama. Fair or not, people are going to compare Studrawa and Warinner, and thus far, Warinner has had more dominant lines. I think Studrawa is quite good, but I can see why people compare them.
Davis is in the same camp somewhat. Ohio State struggled with teams that throw to their tight ends and fullbacks all year, even after Borland moved to linebacker. This was not a problem last year. Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Oklahoma were effective against Ohio State. We will see if he improves Year 2.
@Buckslan, you nailed it on the head. Davis got blamed for Worley playing out of position and Baker not playing at the level he should have been playing. Anyone notice how well Baker played after he was suspended for the Sparty game? Davis is simply the Flavor of the Month of the #FireFickell brigade.
Schiano being paid 1.5 mil makes me think he's staying for longer than we expect him to. Really glad he's being paid that much money.
Will he take over for Meyer?
Who knows. I don't think so though. The next hire after Urban has to be a homerun hire, and I'm not sure if Schiano has the same kind of pull that Urban does.
Nice raises. Well deserved.
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Davis is the only assistant coach (not including new hires) whose salary has not been increased for 2018.
Pay raises are for closers
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Sadly, just more evidence that my skinny but tight ass won't EVER see the Buckeyes live at the shoe....
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I also worry about more coach envy on the academic side.
The athletic department raises (by charging more for a seat among other things) and distributes its money as it sees fit. You and I may go to fewer games, but someone will pay (or OSU will brand more things with corporate sponsors). That all works out.
But when academic department heads think they should make the same as coaches, the costs are pushed to the students and/or taxpayers.
That's a complicated issue.
TOSU has one of the few athletic departments that is completely self-funded. Other schools have to borrow from the public.
As for student tuition, state funding for tuition has been steadily declining. For example, in Seattle if you visit UW and the shops around it you'll see a lot of Chinese students. The university makes its money from out-of-state, out-of-country students that are willing to pay a ridiculous amount of money.
Another issue is that the tuition increases generally benefit administrators most, not the professors. My Dad is professor emeritus at OSU and he's complained about this for a long time.
Indeed. and if i was not clear it was administrators i find to be overpaid. Not those who teach.
And out of state is worth it ... at least it was for me.
I know the product they produce brings in millions of dollars, good for them, but then I think they coach footbal I know demand drives the market...but it's still football
I know now I won't feel bad being upset with the coaches if the team doesn t perform extremely well
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People here have been clamoring for assistants to be paid more. Pay day has come.
Great well deserved for the two coaches that will make 1 mill or over with the new contracts. But why can't they pay L Johnson the same. With the work that man has done with the recruiting and the d line itself says it all. Seems off that they do not pay Larry more than 750k, I call BS on that.
in scanning the information usa today has available on coaching staff salaries, $750K might make LJ the highest paid DL coach out there. That is a DL coach that isn't DL coach and co-defensive coordinator. the information isn't totally sortable by position coach only but $750K looks to be way up there for a position coach.
I think LJ is paid about right. He's the highest paid assistant that doesn't hold a coordinator title.
Kind of surprised they never threw some more scratch at Coombs...... he certainly deserved it. I still feel like they have been one of the reasons he left.
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He left because he was never going to be defensive coordinator with us having Schiano and now Grinch and when an NFL gig comes knocking its hard to turn down. Coombs made good money coaching at OSU.
So pay the guys who make the money already.
Can the 11W staff find out why LJ isn't making a million dollars? perhaps a more in-depth analysis with some insider information and also try and get a more macro view through a comparison with other same-level and position coaches from other schools and conferences? Would be informative to get a better understanding. If he's such a great coach, which up to this point, all signs say that he is, then what is holding him back from earning that level of a pay check? or is he literally just a specialist at that very specific position but has not demonstrated the ability to take on more responsibilities as a coach and therefore can't break that ceiling?
Agreed, need some insider info on the salaries - It seems that LJ may be one of the most underpaid position coaches in the country. Doesn't he have the "Associate Head Coach" title as well???
No, he's strictly just the DL coach. All 4 guys above him in salary hold a co-OC or co-DC title. Plus I believe LJ is the highest paid DL coach without a DC responsibility in the entire country, but I could be wrong. 750k is just fine for what he does.
Interesting to me are length of contracts. Majority are 1 or 2 yr. deals.
Being secure in your position with the Bucks is not a part of the compensation strategy!
Zach Smith lowest paid asst.
Buckeye since 1952.
WOW. LJ's contract really surprised me. Definitely the most bang for the buck. So glad he got a raise. Still feel he deserves more.
575,225? Being a supervisor, i just know there was some dumb conversation with HR about why they couldn't round that up.
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