The Ohio Classic: What An All-Ohio College Basketball Tournament Could Look Like

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jimmybuckeye's picture

stick with the top 4 - I would be there

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CincyBuck's picture

Right.  Just make it OSU, UC, XU, and Dayton.  Maybe OU instead in certain years.  Make it an exhibition tournament at the beginning of the season.  Rotate locations between the 3 "Cs."  Just draw matchups randomly. 

That'd be sweet.  I guarantee each team's fans would show up in full force.  (Even Dayton has quite the following).

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Yup, top 4 teams early-season tournament would be awesome. No need to bring the MAC into it.

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

Bring in only the top two MAC and other teams from Ohio, providing they are quality teams like Toledo. Keep the others with less than .500 teams out. This tournament idea doesn't need include all division I teams from the state. That just waters down the competition and prestige level. If you get only 8 worthy teams, that's fine.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

At first I wondered why you would want any MAC teams in there. Then I read your name haha

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

I presume BGSU is your alma mater. Sorry to hear that. LOL! Anyway, if a MAC team from Ohio is that good it belongs in the tournament.
 

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Evannati's picture

Unfortunately, this year Dayton is not the best college team in Dayton :-)

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

hahahaha so true Wright State is way better this year

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UD_Buckeye's picture

Settle down there wright state wrong school. 

THE University of Dayton

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CincyBuck's picture

UD definitely isn't killing it this year, that's for sure.  But they're the better team pretty much every other year.  And they'd bring some fans (I know several UD fans, and not a single WS one). 

But yeah, picking the 4th team is tough.  And, if time were of no concern, I'd be all for a tourney involving all OH teams.  In fact, the tri-state tourney sounds even better (to draw in UK, LOU, ND, Butler, Purdue, IU, etc.)

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The Rill Dill's picture

Don’t play it early in the season. I’d want to see the teams at their best.

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EightyDeuce's picture

I think an all-Ohio tournament is an excellent idea. But, I believe 4-8 teams would be plenty.

Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.
'Merica!

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

criticisms that always came down on Thad Matta

There was a line of coaches and administrators before him that wouldn't touch UC or Xavier either.

Also, I'd be happy with Ohio State, UC, Xavier, and a rotation in the fourth spot year after year. Two games over a weekend. Move the site each year to the home of one of the three.

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ibuck's picture

 Two games over a weekend.

Four teams / two games could be played on Friday & Sunday, thus avoiding conflicts with football, so this could happen in November or December.

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ZachariahScholl's picture

So what do we think is more likely, YSU winning it all or the Citadel beating Alabama?

Go Bucks!

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Davep160's picture

Nationwide Arena would be a great centralized spot, with ample hotel space.    I would totally go to see this.

The lord of brevity.

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bigtenspeed's picture

US Bank Arena is really nice by 1985 standards  if they wanted to rotate between Columbus and Cincinnati neutral sites.

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spqr2008's picture

I think they're remodeling US Bank Arena right now, which is why the Bearcat's home games are being played at NKU,

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bigtenspeed's picture

I knew they were remodeling Fifth Third Arena but that’s UC’s Arena so wouldn’t be neutral. 

If US Bank is also being remodeled then that’s great too.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

I logged in just to suggest the same thing.. Cincinnati or Cleveland either one could host it.. Heck, even Dayton has provided the NCAA's with a great atmosphere.  Ohio isn't just about Columbus.. And I'd even make an argument it's not even a very good representation of the rest of the state.  I'd be all for having it elsewhere 

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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Davep160's picture

I see your point, but Columbus is a bit more centrally located.     And did I mention walkable hotels?   

To be fair I don't care where they are held, but since these are students,  limit travel if possible.

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

Admittedly, I don't really care either.  And I was really only looking at the top 4 seeds, but between the Toledo, Cincinnati and Columbus areas where the majority of these teams are located, I'd think either Dayton or Springfield would be the better choice.  But this is only a hypothetical tournament.  Heck, we could have it on the moon for all I care.  Ohio owns that, too...

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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CincyBuck's picture

US Bank Arena is really nice by 1985 standards

LOL.  You might be giving US Bank too much credit.  It is quite the dump. 

And to respond to the other poster's statement, no, I don't believe there is any renovation/redevelopment of US Bank planned in the immediate future (though its owner, a foreign entity, did ask for a bunch of city money to do so when it heard that FC Cincinnati was doing the same).  UC's playing at NKU while its own stadium is renovated.

I agree with others that rotating location would be nice -- especially since 2 of the top 3 teams (and, if I'm being honest, the 2 most constant fan bases) are in Cincy.  But if that were to happen, maybe the site should just rotate between the member schools.

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Davep160's picture

I hate seeing concerts there,  especially if you are located in a box.   Sound bounces off the tin roof and it sounds like shit.

The lord of brevity.

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CincyBuck's picture

It's the worst.  And it's one of (if not the last) remaining eyesores along the riverfront/CBD.  Sadly, it's probably not changing. 

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85yardsthroughtheheartofthesouth's picture

If Chris Holtmann runs point on getting this thing off the ground and succeeds I will love him more than I already do, which I didn't think was possible. 

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hetuck's picture

1. Keep it to four teams over two days at Nationwide.

2. Will this preclude playing in another neutral site tournament? I think it is important for a team to be exposed to this type of environment before B1G/NCAA tournament.

3. This will take away one more opportunity for a name OOC opponent at the Schott, especially in years where OSU plays away in the B1G-ACC Challenge. Combine with 20 B1G games, you'll have a home schedule of paycheck and B1G opponents. No home & home with teams like Kansas, UCLA, etc. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

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Greg216's picture

Like the concept.

However, the location cannot be Columbus centric.  Advantage, Buckeyes.

Rotate over 4 years to neutral sites.  Quicken Loans, Nationwide, Nutter Center, US Bank 

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The Rill Dill's picture

It’s our idea/concept, and we’re centrally located. Play it here. 

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CC's picture

I think it would make sense to have it at home arenas (or at least towns) and rotate it.  Also I think it would be good to make sure they play at least 2 games, not a one and done deal.  

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pduncan710's picture

I think keeping this to OSU, Xavier, UC & Dayton makes the most sense.

Take the 3 December weekends you mentioned.

Weekend 1 in Cincinnati: OSU v Dayton & UC v Xavier

Weekend 2 in Dayton: OSU v UC & Dayton v Xavier

Weekend 3 in Columbus: OSU v Xavier & Dayton v UC

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I love the idea of the Ohio tourney, I will be the odd duck and say, def don't do 4 teams. Let's stick to the name. I like the proposed set up, just fine. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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HailChiefWahoo's picture

This needs to happen, but I'd be a fan of just having the big 4 teams. UC and Xavier already hate each other and have an annual cross-town rivalry game. Xavier and UD hate each other but no longer play after conference realignment. Ohio State's history with the 3 schools is limited, but the premiere athletic powerhouse in the state should be involved in Ohio's basketball tourney - and it'd be a great avenue for creating some rivalries, since let's be honest, the Basketbucks don't have a "major rival". I'd say just do a round robin on a weekend before Christmas (with games on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday).

I came. I saw. I conquered.

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BuckeyeLion's picture

Yeah it's called the Final Four.

In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 33, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 42, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16

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Max's picture

I like including the Mac and Horizon but not all teams. 6 or 8, with everyone guaranteed two games, Fri-Sun or Thu-Sat, rotating among the cities of the power teams. Could even run it in January during conference season, but most likely early December.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

I would love to see this...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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Bristol24's picture

I love when Ohio basketball is good!!!

Wright State should be the #4 seed since they did beat Toledo at Savage plus a quality win at Georgia Tech this year.

#RaiderRoundball

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UD_Buckeye's picture

Over UD... Com'on man!! though UD does suck this year. 

THE University of Dayton

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Bristol24's picture

In any other year, YES, UD is top 4 Ohio program.  Just not this year.

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UD_Buckeye's picture

Correct. 

THE University of Dayton

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Michael_Bluth's picture

Would be awesome, but unnecessary.

Just play UC, XU, and Dayton every year in traditional home-and-homes or neutral sites. Let it happen!

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Keeping it simple like they do in Indiana is all that needs to be done.  1 site, 1 day, 4 teams, 2 games.  Done.  Do it over again the next year with rotating match-ups.  The only fly in the ointment is don't UC/XU/UD all play each other annually anyway?  They might not be interested in playing each other twice.  But they all want a piece of OSU, so I could still see it happening.  

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cledaybuck's picture

Only XU and UC play each other annually.

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OSUMBuckeye's picture

I like the idea of having all schools involved, but I think a more realistic setup from a scheduling standpoint would be an 8 team setup.

My preference would be:

First round played at home court of top 4 seeds early in the week, could setup to guarantee no first round MAC v MAC matchups. Perhaps double-headers both Tuesday and Wednesday night (no chance of going against Monday night or Thursday night football) Then converge on Nationwide for the weekend: Semifinal double-header Friday night. Saturday play 2 consolation/ guaranteed second games for first round losers (again try to minimize MAC v MAC). Sunday 3rd place game and Championship game.

Gives everyone at least 2 games, and everyone participates in a super fun action packed weekend in Columbus.

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Wildragei's picture

I really like this suggestion as it “forces” games between teams that won’t normally see each other, is a limited number of games that could be accommodated within the existing schedule formats, and could be the genesis of future rivalaries within the state.  What’s not to like?

Wildragei

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810Buck's picture

This is some off-season stuff.  Mid-december games where the travel schedule isn't set?  Not happening.  

4 teams. 2 games. 1 day.  Cleveland/Columbus/Cincinnati rotation. OSU should be constant but rest of field filled with MAC schools, Dayton, UC/X, Wright St, Cleveland State, YSU 

Ex. Year 1 @nationwide: OSU v. X, Dayton v. UC.  Year 2: @Q OSU v Dayton, Cleveland St v X.  Year 3 @5/3rd: OSU v. UC, X v. Miami

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Bum juice's picture

This might be the worst idea outbl of all of them 810. I dont understand why osu would be the only constant?

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah.  Very strange idea.  Sadly, OSU is one of the least successful teams of those mentioned over the last few years.  Let's not act like we own the state because we're having one decently successful season.

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810Buck's picture

Because OSU is the draw.  Without OSU no one cares nationally.  Just the facts.

Also none of those programs can touch OSU's success in the last decade or even 20 years.  Again just facts.  

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CincyOSU's picture

Umm, I hate to break it to you but OSU is not a "national" basketball draw.

And X, and to some extent UC, have had just as much success as OSU over the last 20 years. Just facts.

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810Buck's picture

How many final 4's have they made? And by alumni base alone -- they are a national brand.  Not discussing video game create-a-tournaments, but actual economics at play.  None of those schools recruit or draw at OSU's level. 

Past 20 years (with 2 playing in MUCH weaker conferences):

  1. X: 8 conference titles, 4 conf tournaments champs, 15 tournaments, 7 second weekends, 0 final fours
  2. UC: 6 conference titles, 1 conf tournament champs, 14 tournaments, 2 second weekends, 0 final fours
  3. OSU: 7 conference titles, 5 conf tournament champs, 13 tournaments, 6 second weekends, 3 final fours
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CincyOSU's picture

I'll go back to the 2004-05 season when Matta came to OSU...I'll also throw out UC after further review of the numbers.

Xavier - 4 Sweet Sixteens, 2 Elite 8's

OSU - 2 Sweet Sixteens, 1 Elite 8, 2 Final Fours

OSU, of course, has a better resume, but let's not hug history too much or ignore the success of X. We live in a what have you done for me lately world, and lately(the last 3-4 years) OSU has not been as good as Xavier on the court and on the recruiting trail.

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CincyBuck's picture

I tend to agree with Cincy on this one.  There was a period of time when I despised UC and/or XU.  But in my old age, I'm willing to give credit where credit is due.  And if OSU doesn't win it all, I wouldn't mind seeing one of the other two teams do so. 

Here are what I believe to be the facts:

(1) As Cincy says, it's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world.  I think that encompasses the last 5-ish years (if not less).  The only people that obsess about what happened before that are fans of teams that used to be good, but aren't anymore (see Michigan).  Put differently, most people don't care what happened 10-20 years ago.

(2) Without looking at details, I think it's pretty indisputable that UC and XU (and, heck, probably Dayton, too) have been more successful than OSU during that timeframe.  I'm sure we could debate who was more successful over a longer time period.  But, again, I don't think what happened in the 90s/00s should dictate decisions in 2018.

(3) During this same timeframe, both UC and XU have recruited as a rate comparable to (if not better than) OSU.

(4) I've been to multiple games of all 3 teams over this timeframe.  I have to say, OSU has by far the worst fan attendance and engagement.  That's important because, if I were to organize a statewide basketball tournament, I'd like to sell some tickets.  Maybe OSU has some vast fan base across the country who are watching on their TVs.  But they certainly aren't showing up to the games.

That's all to say it's kind of silly to claim that OSU is head and shoulders better than those two programs.  Not by a long shot.  Maybe (hopefully) in 5-10 years.  But not right now. 

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CincyBuck's picture

And, if I'm being honest, I would absolutely love to have a 4-team, knockout tournament over a weekend (or, heck, during one day) at Cintas or 5/3rd.  That'd be awesome to see those three teams (plus Dayton, Ohio, or whoever else) duke it out within a short distance of my abode.

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Bum juice's picture

To be fair, in 1999 if it wasnt for kenyon martin breaking his leg, uc would have won the national championship, in my opinion, not any team from x or osu could have touched that team in the past 20 years. That team was loaded.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah, I'm not going to go that far out on a counterfactual limb.  But the overall point (UC has competed at a high level for quite some time) is one that I agree with.  And, FWIW, I tend to agree that UC team would've made a deep run.

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CincyOSU's picture

Huh? If anything, based on the last 3-4 years, OSU should be one of the teams that gets rotated in with UC and X being the only constants.

Let's not let our homer glasses get in the way here...

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UD_Buckeye's picture

UD fans would show up despite the team sucking this year. Maybe Toledo should be the 4th team this year. Though I think UD might win the head to head. 

THE University of Dayton

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0H-10's picture

I love the concept! I also think that limiting this to just the 'current' four top teams in the Great State is a bit short-sighted because I have seen CSU, UT, & BGSU all have higher ranked teams than some of the current top four (and no, I'm not old- you ageist bastards). If/when one of those teams vies for supremacy again, it would be a shame to have precluded them from the Ohio Classic when they have their beer muscles pumped...Perhaps a 4-6 team tourney with a spot reserved for each of the 4 top-ranked Ohio teams at the end of the previous season.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Not bad...but I was thinking about this last night...I'd say just stick with the top 4 in this scenario - Xavier, Cincy, OSU, and Dayton.

I would do a round robin - everybody plays everybody.  Take a week during December and play the three games on a Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.  The team that finishes with the best record among the 3 games wins the trophy...tiebreaker of course being the head-to-head.  Play a day in Columbus, a day in Dayton, and a day in Cincinnati...rotate around each year...but no matter what, Xavier vs UC must happen in Cincinnati (it wouldn't make sense to do that game in Columbus or Dayton).  

Tuesday night - Dayton - OSU vs Cincinnati, Dayton vs Xavier
Thursday night - Cincinnati - OSU vs Dayton, Cincinnati vs Xavier
Saturday night - Columbus - OSU vs Xavier, Cincinnati vs Dayton

Class of 2010.

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pduncan710's picture

I had a similar idea above but was thinking to have games on 3 consecutive weekends. Like the idea of the OSU, UC, Xavier, UD round-robin.

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DroneBuck's picture

Would love to see the big 4 square off every year. Each team plays 2 games (Fri, Sun).

The 2 winners from Friday play for the state championship on Sunday, while the 2 losers play in a consolation game beforehand.

Probably makes too much sense to actually happen, unfortunately. 

But boy oh boy would I love to sport a "State Champs" t-shirt!!

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bigtenspeed's picture

This would be amazing blown out to 8 teams or even just the big 4. It will never happen though because the people at the top don’t really care about the fans.

It comes down to what makes the most money with the least effort/cost. Home games with Coppin State are probably more lucrative than we think. May have more cost associated with a neutral site game against a premier basketball opponent.

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MiseryMachine's picture

Any scenario where Dayton would be forced to play Wright State, I am all for it.

"Whatever doesn't kill you, is gonna leave a scar." -- MM

 

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jpfbucks01's picture

I know this means something to WSU folks, but seriously your programs are simply not on the same level. Dayton has won 20 or more games in 14 of the last 18 years and only once below .500, they made 8 ncaa tourneys and 6 NIT tourneys on that time, they have onw 90 more games in those years than WSU has.

UD has finished either first or 2nd in the A-10 (or their half of it when it was split) 8 times on those years

By comparison WSU has only 8 seasons of 20 or more wins, 7 seasons of .500 or below, and only 1 ncaa tourney appearance, which was 11 years ago in which you lost by 21.

The last 3 times you played head to head in the 90's (when UD was fairly weak), you lost all 3 by a total of 58 points

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Evannati's picture

Prior to those last three games (WSU's "Ed Schilling Era", otherwise known as the "Dark Ages"), Wright State led the series 3 games to 2, so all-time, Dayton holds a 5-3 edge.  

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Crumb's picture

They toy with the idea here of a Queen City or tri-state classic. Ohio State, Xavier, UC, Dayton, Indiana, Butler, Purdue, Notre Dame, UK, Louisville, NKU, and Morehead State. That'd be an epic one.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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John-A-Tron's picture

Eleven Warriors starting a movement for the greater good of society, I like it.

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jpfbucks01's picture

4 teams, rotate hosting between the schools on site arenas or perhaps the cities "neutral" arena.

OSU, Xavier, UC and Dayton no one else has a resume worth mentioning

Dayton has been to 8 NCAA tourneys in the 2000's, and made it out of the first round 3 times, their tourney record since 2000 is 5-6. Made a regional final once, previously made the national title game in the 60's, They have made the NIT 6 other times since 2000 winning it in 2010 beating UNC in the final

Xavier - 15 NCAA appearances since 2000, made it out of the first rd 11 times, 21-15 in the tourney since 2000, have made 3 regional finals, also went to 1 NIT.

UC - 13 NCAA appearances since 2000, made it out of first rd 9 times, 11-13 in tourney since 2000, made 2 sweet 16's, plus 2 NIT bids

OSU - 12 NCAA appearances since 2000, made it out of the first rd 9 times, 20-12 in the tourney since 2000, made 1 National title game, made 2 final 4's, 3 Regional finals, and 5 sweet 16s, also 3 NITs with a championship in 2008.

No other schools in Ohio come close to these 4 in terms of success in the 2000's and hence should not be "rewarded" with attempting to compete with them. 

By comparison Ohio U has made only 3 ncaa trips with only once getting out of the first rd.. Kent has gone 5 times. with only 2 times out of the first rd, Miami only 1 tourney with no wins, Akron 3 tourneys with no wins, Cleveland St 1 appearance with 1 win,  Wright St 1 appearance no wins and BGSU and Toledo no tourney's. 

I would hold the games at the schools home arena. but if required to move them to a more "neutral" locations then you could use Nationwide arena or St Johns when in Columbus, the Nutter Center in Dayton, and maybe the US Bank arena in Cincinnati, 

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703Buckeye's picture

Ohio U has made only 3 ncaa trips with only once getting out of the first rd

That one win should merit their inclusion once in awhile given who they beat:

"Attack the Strong, Trample the Weak, Hurdle the Dead!"
-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter

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stripedwarrior's picture

I would propose an 8 team tournament.

Big 4 (OSU/UC/XU/UD) in every year.

1 Horizon League team (WSU/CSU/YSU) each year.

2 MAC teams (UT/Miami/KSU/OU/BGSU/Akron) each year.

Last team in is highest rated team not already in, based on the previous years rankings(because schedules need to be determined as early as possible).

That means that there are 12 games to play over 4 days, in a consolation bracket.  This is what Maui and Alaska tournaments use.

I would rotate the tournament around the state.  Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toledo/BG.  

I would have the tournament end on the second full weekend of December (week after conference championships).  Football is on hiatus, for the most part. 

Schedule would be 4 games on Wednesday, 2 games Thursday, 2 games Friday, and 4 games on Saturday.  

Now we would just need a trophy fitting for such a tournament.

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GOOMBAY's picture

Love this format -- especially the "at-large" bid for the final spot not unlike promotion and relegation in EPL.

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jpfbucks01's picture

I guess I just dont like the idea of giving undeserving MAC/Horizon teams a shot at OSU for the rare upset.

Only Kent St,Akron and Ohio U over the past 20 years can really lay any claim to playing at even Dayton's level let alone coming remotely close to OSU/X/UC's level

Even though I am a UD alum I think including them is even borderline, but they have won at a consistently clip since Oliver Purnell turned them around back in the last 90's.

They have won 63.5% of their games since the 97/98 season, gone to 8 NCAA tourney's including the last 4 in a row, made a regional final and another sweet 16. Have also played in 8 NIT's in that time, Had 15 seasons of 20 or more wins in the last 21 counting this year (which seems unlikely). They have won their conference twice and a conference tourney, were NIT champs once, ie very consistently solid.

No one in the MAC or Horizon comes close to this level of success and hence I would not include them.

In fact teams like YSU have consistently been one of the worst D1 programs in the entire country with 11 seasons with 20 or more losses in just the last 17 years and only about 5 years above .500 in the last 30+ years

Cleveland St has made 1 NCAA tourney in the last 32 years and only 3 NIT bids in the same time frame

Wright State hasn't made the tourney in 11 years and has never gotten an NIT bid. 

Toledo hasn't made an NCAA tourney since 1980 and has won 2 NIT games in the same time frame in only 5 apperances

BGSU hasnt been to an NCAA tourney since the late 60's and are 0-8 in the NIT since the 1950's

Miami has been to 1 tourney in the 2000's, and haven't played in a NIT in a decade

So that leaves Kent Ohio U and Akron

Kent has played in 6 NCAA tourney is the last 20 years and 5 NITs and had some success and has 16 - 20+ win seasons in the last 20 years, but have failed to make even the NIT 6 of the last 10 years.

Ohio U has played in 3 Tourneys with some success, plus 1 NIT bid in the last 23 years but not super consistent with only 11 20+ win seasons in the last 30 years and 7 years of .500 or worse in the same time frame),

Akron (3 NCAA and 5 NIT bids in the last 12 years with 12 straight 20 win seasons, but have been noncompetitive in post season being 0-3 in the Big show losing by 13, 13 and 46 and going 3-5 in the NIT) as any serious candidates for inclusion in my mind. 

Just simpler to not include them, plus for the most part they don't have arenas suitable

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buckzilla1's picture

All in. Everyone plays. Held over 2 weekends.  Hold it in C-bus as its in the center of the state. Great idea. 

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buckeyedude's picture

I think this would be awesome. I find it funny that one guy thought it prudent to leave out all MACtion teams and include a lower ranked Dayton team.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

The big problems with this idea have already been alluded to. 

First, Dayton making a run in the tournament every 20 years doesn't put them in the same category with the three schools in the current Top 10.

Second, Xavier and the Bearcats already play annually, and they're not going to cancel that game to be a part of some tournament where they might play in a city that isn't Cincinnati.

And third, you'd be putting a lot of MAC games in a non-MAC setting. 

I think the Bucks ought to be playing Cincinnati and Xavier once in a while — the idea that they're somehow "not on our level" is obviously contradicted by the last 30 or so years of history — and I think it might be an interesting idea to look into a 4-team tournament. But I don't think the two ideas need to be combined.

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Amarillo Caballero's picture

Xavier fan (as well as Ohio State student)

Xavier and Cincinnati would not want to play each other in this, the Crosstown Shootout is almost sacred in Cincinnati, it wouldn't really feel right to play them a second time.

Also, the last time Xavier played Dayton, the Dayton fans acted horribly. Including heavily booing Mack's 6 year old daughter when she was on camera. This caused Xavier to decide to never schedule Dayton again. 

That said, I would love love a 10 game series or something between X and Ohio State. The problem is there are other issues to this 4 team tournament than just saying "let's do it"

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bucksfan92's picture

Nope, this doesn't help OSU one bit and it is not OSU's responsibility to prop up the athletic departments of the other schools in the state.  The tourney idea is absurd, you'd have to waste 3 regular season OOC games on this.  Rotating UC, X, and UD into the occasional schedule in place of MAC teams or the other mid majors (CSU, WSU, YSU) is fine I guess, but it shouldn't be an annual thing.

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portlandbuck's picture

What a ridiculously uninformed, arrogant comment. Propping up other athletic departments? You do realize that UC and Xavier have had as much as or more recent success than us, UC has an arguably better history, and all three programs (including UD) have a more rabid core of basketball fans than we do. 

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bucksfan92's picture

And aside from a few folks on here there was zero criticism against Matta for not wanting games vs other in state opponents.  I've found it strange that some people here want OSU to play more in state teams in both football and basketball which just makes zero sense to me.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Contrary to the criticism, Matta did play a lot of in-state schools. The policy of avoiding Cincinnati — and we did wind up playing them twice in the Matta era, once in the NCAAs — dates back long before Thad.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Conceivable that MAC schools could play each FOUR times in one season, coaches wouldn't like that. 

Possible that a school would play 4 games in six days. Worse than tournament of this kind. MUCH worse than the NCAA Tournament. Coaches won't like that. 

Possible 3 games in 3 days, with 3 travel days. Worse than any tournament of any kind.  Coaches won't like that.  

No tournaments of this sort have more than 8 teams,

Ohio State could play X, Dayton and Cincy, but those 3 wouldn't want any part of playing each other in this tournament. 

Only one tournament of this sort takes more than 3 days. 

The last 8 school Tournament of the year is held November 23, 24, 26. This Ohio Tournament is suggested to start over 3 weeks after that. 

Best possible scenario is Ohio State with X, or Cincy or Dayton with 2 MAC schools. 

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oldbuck60's picture

I would love to see it like the Crossroads Classic...Ohio State, Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton! BTW, Happy to see 3 Ohio teams rated in the Top 8 this week, but willing to bet less than 50% of the rosters are made up of Ohio kids...maybe way less??

oldbuck60

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buckeyedude's picture

Why not just call it "The Columbus-Cincinnati Classic," or "The Southwest Ohio Classic," if the rest of Ohio is left out? I think it would be a more accurate description.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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MikeLew's picture

Rather than having a play-in game, your bracket could have byes for just the top 3. That makes it so teams could play Tues/Thurs/Sat, with the final on Sunday.

Rather than seeding it, what about doing it as a random draw?

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EddieGalloway's picture

A 4 or 8 all Ohio early season tourney would be must watch television. I brought this up in a insiders thread a few years ago and was shocked how many Buckeye fans were against it. I would ask for just one thing, announcers for it are Gus Johnson and Bill Raftery. (Onions, Man2Man and the kiss)

"Rest easy Woody theres a new sheriff in town"

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george the buckeye's picture

great concept and a great way to promote OHIO hoops.  I think Nationwide hosting - neutral, central to the state, great location for hotels and nightlife - is better than any other city can offer.  However, if it swapped between CINCI and COLUMBUS, say, every 2 years, that wouldn't be so bad either.  I think CLEVE hosting would be a distant third preference (decent OSU presence but not much from the other prominant programs).  Would love to see this happen!

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bonebuck's picture

Awesome idea for B-Ball. I think this would be a great tradition.

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Cube Farmer's picture

Neat idea but there is never going to be a tournament.  Everyone involved has to play the same number of games.  You also couldn't have more than one team per league due to the possibility of the 7/8 consolation game being MAC vs MAC etc.

This will be a 4 team doubleheader each year.  I expect OSU, UC, XU, and UD to start.  Down the road it's possible to swap out a team occasionally.  Say one team is play in a preseason tournament in Hawaii then they are replaced for a single year by Toledo or whoever.  No one outside of the main 4 move the needle at all with basketball.  

I expect OSU would alternate between playing UC and XU with the other team playing UD.  UC and XU will not drop their yearly game although I would argue it's probably time to consider doing so.  Start this at Nationwide and then alternate it to Cinci if US Bank ever gets upgraded.  

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