Skull Session: Larry Johnson's Tough Love for Antwuan Jackson, Basketbucks Bench Steps Up, and Rob Kelly Speaks

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I like Johnson throwing down the gauntlet with Jackson. It is clear that Jackson wants to be at Ohio State and that he will work hard to be his best. What a life lesson to this young man!

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TossTrap's picture

Like Jackson, I still don’t understand the Auburn decision to block him from transferring to OSU. An SEC school I can understand. You would think there would be a rule against blocking a school arbitrarily because they may potentially be playoff team.  

First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.

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tundra1's picture

My thoughts are with Rob and Emily Kelly and their family. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Quite a few football players have said they wouldn’t allow their sons (or grandsons) to play football. Yes, it’s a violent sport but no one needs to remind the men played it and are now suffering from it. There are times when I wonder if the sport itself isn’t slowly dying and one day people will remember it the way they do boxing today.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Ba Ba Boolio's picture

I struggled with allowing my sons to play football and decided it wasn't worth the risk. Ten years later I feel even more confident that I made the correct call.

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kmp10's picture

RE: Rob Kelly's sentiments. First, I am absolutely sensitive to Kelly's plight. I wish him all the best and if I could personally change his circumstance I would do it in a heartbeat. Having said that, I'd like to point out once again that for every Rob Kelly there are bunches of former players with no such symptoms/issues. Chris Spielman, Eddie George, Archie Griffin, Orlando Pace, and Joey Galloway, as only a few examples, are managing life successfully and enjoying their success and wealth. In addition, if football were the root cause of the horrible mental health issues men like Kelly, Dave Duerson, Junior Seau, Mike Webster, and others have experienced then there would be hundreds of thousands of former football playing American men walking the earth who were suicidal... but there aren't. I don't know what's going on with Rob Kelly, and I feel absolutely horrible for him and for what he and his family are going through. I also believe the NFL, a multi-billion dollar cash cow, is obligated to help, in every way imaginable, former players like Kelly who are suffering. Might football be the thing that puts someone who's genetically predisposed to mental health issues over the top? Sure, that seems reasonable. Is football creating a life like the one Kelly's living/suffering for the vast majority of former players? No, it isn't. 

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stxbuck's picture

Damn fine post. I concur completely.

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SimpleUsernameBuck's picture

I am interested in your statistical and medical information that supports your statements. There have been multiple studies that show how head trauma causes the problems the players are experiencing. They have done autopsies on the diseased brains of the men who suffered from CTE. In fact: "The link between football and traumatic brain injury continues to strengthen. Now, one of the largest studies on the subject to date finds that 110 out of 111 deceased NFL players had chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disorder associated with repetitive head trauma.Jul 25, 2017" 

The nature of the game,  where we ask or demand players to throw their bodies into collisions we know for certain cause lasting and irreparable damage, is now not debatable. How much more data is required to finally prevent us from putting children and young people into a meat grinder like this? 

Knowing ignorance is strength; ignoring knowledge is sickness - Lao Tzu

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CincyBuck's picture

I agree with you about the available evidence and what it shows.  Though I'll admit that my interpretation of these studies often suffers from confirmation bias -- to me, it seems pretty natural to expect that these athletes will have long-term mental issues.  And I'll say that most things are "debatable," even when people say that they aren't.

You seem to know more about the studies than I do.  My one nitpick with everything I've seen thus far is a lack of any controls on the test (or, at least, a lack of reporting those controls).  That is, while 99.9999% of the brains of NFL players who committed suicide show CTE (or whatever the actual measurement is), how does that compare to athletes in other sports, the general population, etc.?  Or even NFL players who did not donate their brains to science?  (I realize the practical issues associated with collecting those data sets).

I read something the other day which claimed that darn near 100% of those who played any level of football should expect to have at least some CTE.  That sounds like a bridge too far for me.  But, hey, I haven't read every study, so who knows.

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Ole Buckeye's picture

SimpleUser - there is definitely a link, but the study of that 111 men was not in any way meant to be a statistical study - meaning, they didn't randomly select 1000 former NFL players and find 99% had CTE.  It was 111 former players who had definite, strong signs of CTE-related problems. 

What's the true percentage? i have no idea, but I do think that better equipment and better staffing and protocol should make it safer. 

It's a brutal concept - us watching young men play this game that is hurting their bodies.  Kinda like watching NASCAR or Indy Car.  Accidents, injuries and death are part of the deal.

Personally, I think 5-10% of former players have either CTE or severe skeletal (knees, ankles, shoulders, etc.) issues. 

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kmp10's picture

I wasn't referring to studies in particular, just what evidence is before my own eyes, and what I know about my own neurological health after playing organized, tackle football throughout my school career (I'm now 54). However, I have read opinion pieces from doctors about this very subject, and this is one that I found particularly interesting. I'm computer illiterate so I'm unable to link the article, but here's the URL to copy and paste into your search bar. I don't pretend to know much relative to "statistical and medical information"... but I do know that if football were as dangerous as some would have us believe then there would be hundreds of thousands of Rob Kellys walking around, and there just aren't.

neuropathologyblog.blogspot.com/2017/09/im-brain-scientist-and-i-let-my-son.html

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BbBnD's picture

“Rob Kelly there are bunches of former players with no such symptoms/issues. Chris Spielman, Eddie George, Archie Griffin, Orlando Pace, and Joey Galloway”

you obviously haven’t met all of the players you listed, or at least not in the last few years. I’m not going single anyone out, but one guy on that list definitely shows symptoms of head trauma during prolonged conversation. 

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buckeye_chick's picture

Agree wholeheartedly with your post. The element of all this that I find very intriguing is the way some people’s brains seem particularly prone to CTE while others don’t. Roger Staubach had to retire because he had so many concussions, yet he’s still fine. Look at Dick Butkus...holy crap! If anyone should have CTE it’s him; yet he doesn’t. And some guys with just a few concussions have horrible problems. There is just so much about the human brain that we don’t know. Hopefully, maybe someday they will understand enough to prevent and cure this. Until then, those affected deserve all the help we—and the organizations they earned all that money for—can give them.

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Eph97's picture

Just because most football players don't suffer from CTE does not prove that football does not cause brain injury. Similarly,  most smokers do not get lung cancer, but the majority of people who get lung cancer are smokers. Same with CTE.

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buckeyedude's picture

Sadly I must agree 100%, Iowabuckeyes. I think baseball is a dying sport, as well. I travel a lot for work and all I see are kids playing soccer.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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cricejr's picture

I'm just wondering, how do people view boxing? I don't think this is an apt comparison as boxing has NEVER proclaimed that it's good for your health or there's a healthy version of it or that injury isnt part of the sport. And let's remember that the highest paid athlete is a boxer so I hardly think the sport has died or is dying.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I remember watching Rob on that BTN documentary about the 1996 team and thinking how unhealthy he looked. At the time it seemed like he had some sort of organ failure--I guess now we know why.

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TossTrap's picture

I can’t believe that a well to do fan of Buckeye football hasn't reached out to the Kellys.

First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.

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Buctor's picture

This BB team appears to have promise.

Not so sure that would be true about living in SF.  Private streets and 20 lb rodents would not be my cup of tea!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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buckeyestu's picture

I have every buckeye basket on my dvr, thank you.

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Seattle Linga's picture

They've got some tough games ahead - hopefully you'll enjoy watching the PSU game on the DVR over and over again.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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HOLYbucknut's picture

That last line made me laugh out loud. Poor McElwain. On another note though, his offenses at CSU were no joke. Probably the best that Harbaugh could've done.

Not very many coaches in the nation can take the route that LJ Sr. did in re-recruiting Jackson. Glad that we have him and also glad that Jackson stuck it out. I hope we see big things out of him in the next couple of years.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I’m sure Crazy Jim promised certain things to the Shark Cuddler if he joins the staff. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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TigerSweat's picture

I find it hilarious that the same UM fans who ridiculed the shark fu*ker to no end are all of the sudden claiming that he's an excellent coach. The delusion up there is mind boggling

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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rosycheeks's picture

I wanna know what Jackson's "wrong reasons" were. Or maybe I already know.

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hetuck's picture

You can bet LJ's words will be read by every future recruit, primarily the one ten miles down the road. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Bench scoring is only possible if the Coach is willing to put players from the bench into the game.

I know I am stating the obvious.  

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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jpfbucks01's picture

There is a lot to be said for this.

There was always the perception that Matta did not play his bench very much unless forced to by injuries or fouls and some stats bear this out

Using 13 minutes a game or 33% of the game time as a decent measure of bench usage, ie how many guys on average are you using for at least 1/3rd of the game you get the following results

This Year - 8 (plus Potter at 11 and Young at 8)

During Matta's tenure he played 8 guys around 13+ per game 5 times (15/16, 12/13, 08/09, 06/07 and 04/05)

He played 7 or fewer in 8 seasons (16/17, 14/15, 13/14. 11/12, 10/11. 09/10, 07/08, and 05/06) in 3 of those years he played 6 or fewer that many minutes

so there is some legitimacy to that claim that he used his bench less than some other coaches.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Jpfbucks:  Thanks for quantifying what I was thinking I had observed.  I am in favor of getting guys into the game for several reasons.  I am glad to see it happening now with Ohio State. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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MN Buckeye's picture

Antwuan Jackson has learned some tough lessons, and now it’s time to see him fulfill his dreams.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Yea well an offense in the big sky conference is a little different in the big. After seeing the qb he chose to start at UF SCum can have him cheap probably. A offensive guru woild have turned around the offense at least at UF.
As for Kelley, sorry to hear about his struggles. Is TOSU even aware of his problems? If so what could they do for him?

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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TigerSweat's picture

His offenses at Florida are among the worst I can think of. He'll fit right in up there in AA

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PhillyNut's picture

There will come a time, I believe, that football players will end up qualifying for benefits under workers compensation. It may not even be required that they be considered employees of the university or get paid salaries. That may be the compromise that gets reached to avoid massive liability lawsuits but still provide medical benefits and even coverage for future lost wages.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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cricejr's picture

What is a "culture war"? And how does that mesh with the previous comment?

I bleed scarlet...literally

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earthpig's picture

McElwain to Michigan?  LOL..  Prolly trying to get in line as the next HC after Jimmy gets dumped in November..

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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TnJoeBucks's picture

Trading one crazy Jim for another.

Seek not to change the world. Seek rather to change your mind about the world.

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ChristianHaven's picture

I'm glad 5* Antwuan Jackson switched over to the Buckeyes.  I wish he were on the O-Line, but that's showing my bias for the Slobs.
As for Carson Jackman, I don't know if I would take him if he wanted to switch.  Who likes being played?

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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Buckeyeneer's picture

As for Carson Jackman, I don't know if I would take him if he wanted to switch.  Who likes being played?

I appreciate your sentiment, but I think he made it pretty clear that there was a very good chance that he wouldn't end up here.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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avail31678's picture

I agree.  I dont' ever recall reading about him saying "I'm all Buckeye." and he obviously never committed.  We were likely his second choice, so how did he "play" us.

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INENEMYTERRITORY's picture

There are legends of bull sharks making their way to the shores of lake Michigan; There are also legends of Michigan having a championship caliber football program. Chase your dreams, Jim!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I've got no problem with McElwain at TTUN. In fact I rather like it. His Florida teams were disasters in a weak SEC East. But if he's going to try and plant sharks in the great lakes, I hope its Lake Huron. I never go over there so thats cool. Just keep them out of Lake Michigan.

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Nutinpa's picture

But when he had Will Grier as his QB in Florida, that Offense was really, really good.  Some of our fans will be smug knowing McElwein was at TTUN, but count me out of that group.  He has a good coaching pedigree and an offensive mind that was better than he showed at Florida. 

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TigerSweat's picture

"better than he showed at Florida".

That's an odd statement. A coach is judged by his product and Florida fielded terrible offenses and a lack of talent wasn't the issue

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Nutinpa's picture

Okay, let me clarify it for you. 

When Will Grier was his QB, nobody was laughing at Florida or McElwein.  In fact, IIRC, their Offense was pretty damn good. 

You are correct.....that when Grier was sanctioned out, the Florida Gators' offense under McElwin went to hell.  So....which is it, is he a good or potentially really good offensive mind if surrounded by the right talent?  Or a guy, to your point, who squandered a lot of talent? To each his own, but if Michigan was to choose between Cam Cameron and McElwein to have input or control over their Offense, as an OSU fan, I'd choose Cameron.  And lastly, if you want to poke fun at McElwein's performance at Florida over how their Offense imploded when a certain quarterback left, just remember, the guy who runs our ship had the same thing happen to him down there too.

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TMac's picture

The Cavs played with energy and actually played some D. Time will tell, but the early returns are positive. 

ONE Not Done!

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McGrind's picture

Newcavs>Halfcavs>sh ITcavs

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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ToTheHouse's picture

BENCH STEPS OUT Is this the new normal ?

Did Coach Lue take a clue from Coach Holtman, last night the Cav's bench had 3 in double figures (so probably not after only one pre game practice) but our bballer bench got a clinic example it *works* at the next level, not just for them. So fun to see the Bucks(w/new coach) & Cav's(w/new team) MOJO...producing again !

Hoping the 'new normal' is here to stay for the #4 east (Boston) seed, & for another Believeland Finals Ring get !

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TMac's picture

Just what Boston and Toronto didn't want to see, an energized, engaged LBJ

ONE Not Done!

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blueblazer22's picture

I love the Presidio Terrace story. I recall reading it last fall when it first came out, and it is hilarious. If everyone knows that there are taxes, how can they have ignored this for decades? I hope the couple that made the purchase milks the HA for all it can get. 

The Rob Kelly situation is a brutal one no doubt, but DJ is right in that there is nothing OSU can do that won't get them in some legal trouble. I wish the Kellys all the best, but what a tough spot. 

McElwain I see an interesting case. He was very good out west, but pretty bad out east. Maybe JimBaugh catches lightning in a bottle, or maybe it is another mediocre hire for a mediocre team.

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

The best part of that Presidio Terrace story is that it was less than $1000 in taxes owed. I too hope this couple gets every penny they can from the HA. I would love an opportunity to do something like this. Fuckin with coastal, elitist snobs sounds like a lot of fun to me. 

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blueblazer22's picture

Yup. $14 a year. Of course that in and of itself is probably another story we should look into. $14 per year for taxes? Bite it clueless rich folks. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Hovenaut's picture

Continued thoughts and prayers to Rob Kelly and his family.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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FitzBuck's picture

McElwain is going to be so disappointed when he learns no sharks live in Lake Michigan.

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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Texas_Bucks's picture

What has been seen cannot be unseen; now to remove my half digested breakfast from my keyboard.....

Texas Bucks

"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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CudjoeBuckeye's picture

If LJ was serious about pulling Jackson's scholarship offer if he visited elsewhere, he should have pulled it on 10/21/17, because according to 247, his recruiting timeline, and even the Hurry Up mentioned he visited Alabama that day, after committing to Ohio State. Not saying it is a big deal or that they should have pulled his offer, but it doesn't appear that the tough talk about pulling his offer really meant much at the time.

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Desymond's picture

I think I vaguely remember that when this happened even Andrew Lind said it wasn't a big deal. I think Jackson was going with a teammate. 

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CudjoeBuckeye's picture

I think it was the same time Emory Jones was there. I do recall it being considered not significant that Jackson was going, but of course the "pull you offer" discussion wasn't known at the time.

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Desymond's picture

Yeah, I wonder if the "pull the offer" stuff was happening two years ago, when Jackson was at Auburn in 2016. So when he visited Bama in Oct 2017, he'd presumably been talking to LJ for almost two years about transferring. The timeline is fuzzy, but it's plausible assuming that LJ and Jackson used the HS coach as intermediary. 

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FitzBuck's picture

How could anyone think it was him?

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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osu992's picture

Because the hair is parted on the wrong side?

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Barfolomew's picture

Just another normal day at practice

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blueblazer22's picture

^^^ this wins the day. Period. Shut everything else down. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Texas_Bucks's picture

Texas Bucks

"Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect" - Benny Hill

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Frimmel's picture

This is also exhibit one of why you don't give dogs chocolate. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Awesome and disturbing all at the same time. Who's got it better than that shark?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Nice story on the 10th Mountain Division. I was actually thinking about it yesterday while watching the men’s biathlon and wondering why the US isn’t more competitive. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NHBuckeye's picture

The Olympic Curling Team has their work cut out for them after Saturday Night's performance.

Fields of Dreams

 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Nicely done NHB 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Maybe the residents of SF can start a curling club using the 20 pound nutria rodents that are burrowing into their dikes....and levees.

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jmmysms's picture

Down here, in the real LA, we call them target practice. You would call them big muskrats.

I'll skip my normal comment about how Cali is accommodating to other forms of immigrants. OK, maybe not.

JMMYSMS

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nm_buck's picture

I first noticed Rob Kelly's problems watching Big Ten Elite's episode about the 1996 Buckeyes. He definitely wasn't well... apparently he was already suffering from dementia when that episode aired in 2014. 

Can't imagine the anguish of losing one's mind. So painful for the victim... so painful for loved ones. Praying his family has the strength to help him cope.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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adrianbuck's picture

L.J. is spot on .how many times in last 20 or so years have we heard recuits end up like this.

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toad1204's picture

Holtmann's use of the bench reminds me of Thad's unwillingness to do so.  Not sure if its a change of coaching philosphies or an elevation of talent after the first five.  Either way happy to see this team out there doing what everybody thought was the impossible this year.  

Thoughts with the Kellys.  

We're going to miss LJS once that day comes, until then he's got a cupboard full of young men to educate on the intricacies of life and pigskin.  I'm sure he wouldn't have it any other way.

The offseason is the longest season.

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lamplighter's picture

Happy birthday Abraham Lincoln, born in 1809 in Kentucky.

Some of you may remember that he was President in 1860-1865, during that kerfuffle known as the War Between the States.

*** The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
 

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

Cue the music and the onion-chopping...

I aim to misbehave.

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chris's picture

Hey! No politics! /s (or whatever the hell indicates sarcasm from my phone)

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jpbuckeye's picture

LJ is the man! That is a great message and a great philosophy to make another great generation.

And thanks for 10th Mountain shout out. Growing up in Ohio we skiied every day during the winter, after school and weekends. Vertical was limited but it prepared me to ski in NY, VT, NH, CO, CA, NV, and WA. Many of those places were started by these legends. Our debt goes beyond their awesome contributions in WW II.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Love the truth that LJ was speaking to Johnson. For some star D1 bound High School athletes, getting that kind of truth might be the first time someone was really honest with them. LJ has created the OSU D line culture as a reflection of the way he handles his business with accountability, respect, determination, and fearsome competence (imposed with love of course) on his opponents. 

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Tosa's picture

Indeed the mid-range game is dead. I think I saw one mid-range shot while watching every basket made in the game. I love basketball but this grows tedious. Move back the 3 point line or, as I would do it, make it worth less: 4 points inside the arc, 5 points outside
 

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TJG32's picture

 Nice way to start the day, DJ. Thank-you. 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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Starcat approves of the word of the day!

Trust me! I'm an Engineer.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Word of the Day: Ailurophile.

That's you to a "T," DJ!

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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BuckFanInRichmond's picture

The question was asked how did Carman play OSU when he never really said he was coming here? Well publicly he may have never said he was coming to OSU but he apparently let Meyer and the rest of the staff feel he was all in for the Buckeyes. Reports said that Meyer was sure he was signing with the Bucks as late as the morning of the signing day. That sounds to me like he was playing the staff.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

It sounds to me--being the same age as Kelly--is that he's actually having what my father's generation called a "mid-life crisis." Now, as to the compensation piece, the NFL does offer disability compensation like the VA does for us veterans. Total and permanent disability from the NFL will net you $250,000. Not bad. 100% disabled Vets get around $40,000 per year. The average NFL career is 3.5 years during which the average NFL player is compensated $6.7 million. Not a bad payday. 3.5 years in the military will probably not get anywhere near $6.7 million, and YET thousands of young men and women enlist every year, despite the risk of losing life and limb. The bottom line is that FEW young men playing football will EVER make the NFL. What to do with the risk when there's little chance of reward? As many have pointed out already, there are scores of young men who've played football at all levels, and very few of them manifest these kinds of issues. At the end of the day, you can choose to live a bubble wrapped life, or actually live a little. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Emily Kelly's picture

Id like to thank the compassionate comments in the thread. It's always very much appreciated. I'd also like to respond to the comment above and one made previously up on the thread. As someone very much entwined in the CTE issue, I can assure that CTE is far more prevalent than the public realizes. If you read my original piece you'll see that I wrote about a Facebook group comprised of almost 2500 women all connected to NFL players. CTE is very very real and it's no joke. Many wives speak about their husbands severe issues and these are men who are broadcasters, coaches, very much in the public eye. Respectfully, you all do not know what goes on behind closed doors. Only the wives and children know how terrible this brain disease is. Part of the disease is having the ability to hold it together sometimes, in public, around other people, but when these men go home they fall apart. We all have the same story. Told over and over again. It's incredibly tragic. I'm not asking for pity, I handle the cards I'm dealt and I suck it up. But the truth needs to be told. It's so utterly important that people understand that CTE is real, it's prevalent and it can result from playing football, even on the high school level. Rob is not having a mid- life crisis. That's an insult to what he has to deal with on a daily basis. Trust me, to qualify for the level of disability Rob receives you have to have a ROCK solid case. The NFL doesn't hand it out like candy. 98% of ex players who apply are denied. We know for a fact that football caused his neurological symptoms. He's been to brain injury treatment centers 3 times and seen countless neurologists, brain injury specialists, psychiatrists. You name it. As far as OSU is concerned, we don't want a cent from them, nor need it. We no longer even live in Ohio but a little compassion, an email- "We're sorry to hear Rob is struggling. Our prayers are with your family. Do you have any ideas on how we can offer a support system for former and current players who may be suffering similarly to you?" I don't know, something like that would have been encouraging. That's all. Thank you for reading. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Madam, nobody is doubting "CTE is real," certainly not me. I was subjected to overpressure from IED's multiple times, and had to be rushed to the hospital in Baghdad because my left eye was dilated the size of a dime. I'm currently receiving 40% disability for my troubles which include PTSD, headaches, hearing loss, and tinitus so loud it's got two tones. Believe me, my wife and kids know what I'm like "behind closed doors." You say you "know for a fact that football caused his neurological symptoms." How, may I ask? You say that CTE is "far more prevalent than the public realizes." How do you know this? Hundreds of thousands of kids play football each year along with other contact sports, and yet, very very few claim to be affected by "CTE." A smaller group, the NFL, still has had thousands play, AND YET few claim CTE. I guess that what I would say to you, respectfully, and 100% sympathetically, is that it's not fair for you, Rob, or anyone else to make emotional pleas for support and at the same time blame something he did voluntarily for being the problem. Football is NOT the problem, it's a possible contributing factor to CTE, bad knees, a trick shoulder, or whatever. Nobody forced me to join the military, and nobody forced Rob to play football. The "toll" on people's bodies and minds that comes from ANY physical activity is real. Whether it be boxing, soccer, gymnastics, skiing, CrossFit or whatever, but when one voluntarily engages in an activity, they accept the risks associated with it, including Rob. Again, speaking as a truly compassionate person, I feel for you and your family and Rob, but for you to be part of this growing effort to end football--which is what you're either wittingly or unwittingly doing--is just not OK. In closing, and as a diehard, life-long Buckeye fan that bleeds Scarlet and Gray, SINCERELY, I am sorry to hear that Rob is struggling, and MY prayers are with YOU and your family. 

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JimB's picture

Thanxs Emily, I feel your pain but don't have a clue how I can help, wish I could!! I think OSU has there hands tied with red tape, not really understand it all, but hang in there gal from Buckeye Nation!!!

Jim Bell

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osu992's picture

"You hurt me."

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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