Vonn Bell, to me, was the biggest boom. It was a surprise and that much more satisfying. Plus I was watching when he committed. I understand Petit-Frere was the bigger get - both literally and figuratively.
Agreed, NPF's signing is eerily similar to Vonn Bell's in terms of "Wow factor." I had no doubt when we got Bell that wed play for a national title within a few years of that. Hoping NPF's signing means the same thing. Wouldn't be surprised to see him starting by 2019.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
NPF's commitment means more because LT is a premium position. Next to QB, arguably the most important position on offense. Add in the Carmen disappointment, not to mention Meyer regularly pulls in 5* DB's.. this one is special. No way around it.
I respectfully disagree, If I recall, We talked about Vonn Bell a lot. He was just kind of all over the place but still, it seemed like we were in the discussion. Petit-Frere, to me, was talked about much less and seemingly came out of nowhere. I can't say which is the "bigger boom" just yet but I would say that Petit-Frere seemed to surprise me more.
Bell was thought to be all UT. Jones was hired and made him a priority. He was even a surprise to Meyer. If I remember correctly, he called Meyer Before his announcement and said “you know I’m in right”.
edit: found the story
Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".
Yeah I think the biggest difference between Bell and NPF is that Bell’s decision never leaked. We all had no idea right up to the moment he took the stage. Even more satisfying since some sites released the “Commits to Tennessee” articles before he even announced.
Plus you had the Vol fanbase reaction which was nothing short of amazing.
How about Shaun Wade?
This was such a huge get because the position was such a huge need after the carman situation. To me the Buckeyes are better off without having a kid who was into the drama of the process. I’m very happy with how it turned out
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
AGREED! After all of Carman’s BS, it is incredibly refreshing to see a mature young man like NPF in the fold. I predict great things for him and the Buckeyes.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Elite player, position of need, added late in the process, and breaking the hearts of his rivals in the process. And he also made me forget about the kid from Fairfield.
Urban gets a big BOOM for this one.
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
Kid from Fairfield?
Ya, I thought Bell was from Florida.
And you should remember a kid of that quality!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
You're right, you should remember that a kid of that high of quality was from Georgia.
Wasn't Bell born in Tennessee and moved to Georgia to finish high school? And Carman is the "kid from Fairfield".
Carmen, Cartman, whatever :)
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
Even if he weren't the best OT in the class (which he is), this was a big BOOM. He brings "off the field" qualities that you want in a kid. On the field, I love how he plays through the whistle and finishes every play. Meyer and company must be doing something (lots of things) right to attract this kind of recruit.
New York Buckeye
According to MGo, our bagman was better, LOL! Thankfully, we were never an Adidas school, so I’m not concerned about that!
Losers make excuses and blame other people, so...
BFBirth, apologize for my noobiness in this area but how the heck are "bagmen" not illegal? Thanks!
They are, Sniper. I was just being sarcastic and dissing MGo's bitter loser mentality. My bad - should've used italics. Go Bucks!
Ok, because the way they are being discussed here and on other sites, it almost seems like it's one of those everyone knows they exist but no one is policing it.
If you happened to read the SB Nation's story on bagmen (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-footb...) they are very prevalent in the south. There was no mention of anywhere else, but it doesn't take too much imagination to extrapolate that level of boosterism to all the major conferences. Hell, Adidas tried to pull it off at the corporate executive level for bball. Hopefully, that'll never be the story at OSU.
Thanks for the link. Yes, I'm hoping we can hold our heads high ethically and morally so we aren't reduced to the level of southern schools or others that do this.
I think landing this kid rejuvenated Urban and gave him a a huge boost of renewed energy hopefully to hang on 7-8 more years.
sets up well heading into next year,with all the talent that looks available.
The signing of NPF says as much about the staff as the young man himself: both are intelligent, focused, competitive, and first-class.
Vonn Bell makes me think of how bassdropper went and trolled the entire Kentucky fan base.
High and tight boo boo
Miss that crazy bastard and his 7 other accounts.
You are thinking of 9route
Bassdropper was the guy with One Direction as his icon. He was just one guy going in many directions.
And I'm pretty sure BD is still around these parts.
And, BassDropper had multiple accounts.
Tailgate Fare Historical Archive
Watched one of Timmon's high school football games today. He caught 57 touchdowns and brokered peace in the middle east. Urban Meyer should recruit him. In on of his touchdowns, Ryan Timmon's literally walked on water and cured a leper. That Ryan Timmons is good I'll tell you what.
No, you are thinking of Waycraken. Waycraken had a hard on for Timmons.
9Route announced he will break news later in the week, the news would break and then he would break it after the fact. And also had a plethora of accounts.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
Shit. Miss that crazy bastard too.
Funny thing about Timmons is I put NCAA14 in again for my annual post football play. I added rosters awhile back and to my surprise Timmons won WR of the year.
I thought the big bassdropper troll job was the Lattimore, Smith and Marcelys Jones committing to UK? Even their blog owners bought it.
That's right, he dunked on the whole state
A man got to have a code...
So funny that Michigan took their practice to his high school, but they still couldn’t get him. https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/nicholas-petit-frere-ohio-state-recr...
I was listening to Mark Packer’s show on Friday with Andy Staples as the host. He brought up how Harbaugh had done this and failed. It made for a very enjoyable drive home.
After the remarks Carman made at last years spring game, It surprises me anyone had him on any osu recruiting board. Obviously it was wishful thinking. He was never coming to OSU and its probably for the best. I would have loved to have had a in state 5* but only if his heart was really in it. I wish him luck practicing in south carolina in august, the humidity is disgusting. I would actually put NPF right up there with any of the big commits meyer has brought to Cbus. you would think with all the highly rated tackles already on the roster he would end up red shirting. I just don't think a OL can beat out guys with 2 or more years of experience in the program coming in June.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
"Pretty sure I wouldn't have any problems in Dabo Swinney's or Clay Helton's locker room for my OPINION on OSU's qb issues.  https://twitter.com/kirkherbstreit/status/907730600588709888 …"
11:16 AM - Sep 13, 2017 · Fairfield, OH
"Pretty sure I wouldn't have any problems in Dabo Swinney's or Clay Helton's locker room for my OPINION on OSU's qb issues.  https://twitter.com/kirkherbstreit/status/907730600588709888 …"
11:16 AM - Sep 13, 2017 · Fairfield, OH
He lost me right here.
I wanted him gone after that, 17 yrs. old or not. Bite your tongue kid. He’s a punk... better off not a Buckeye! I’m welcoming NPF with open arms.
Because I couldn't go for three
yep. wait til he starts giving his public opinion on clemson, see how much love he gets down there then
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
The only nice thing Carman ever did for Ohio State was commit to Clemson with enough time for us to scramble and grab someone better. Imagine if Carman had trolled us all the way to the end. We'd never have landed LilBro.
The agony of Michigan fans made this one entertaining and gratifying as shit. Seriously.. You couldn't have hand picked a more deserving fan base. Secondly, to lose out on Carmen only to wind up landing the #1 OT in the class is what seperates Meyer from just about everyone on the recruiting trail. We probably just landed a top 10 pick on Wednesday.
My favorite comment on that MGo thread:
It feels like we could recruit a kid for years and OSU calls him the Saturday before he signs and flips him. wtf
There's plenty of good options to choose from that's for sure lol.
that one was good, my fav was this> (i shortened it)
.... the Buckeyes are our Daddy.... Harbaugh was hired to correct this dynamic and thus far he has failed just as spectactularly as the other coaches. That is the truth...and the truth sucks. Im gonna go drink some more bourbon and chew on some clonapin.
This is a small sample size but regarding Michigan academics.
My brother in law graduated from Michigan in 1997, then he got a law degree from Michigan, and now he is a career counselor for the Michigan law school.
My brother and I graduated from Ohio State in 1999. I got a medical degree from ou and work in a small private practice.
My brother is a vice president of the Mozilla foundation with just an undergraduate degree from tOSU.
So yeah, fuck those smug pricks.
I have had the opportunity to attend 7 different universities and have degrees from 4 of them (Yes, my wife has questioned my sanity of working on degrees up through my late 50s). 5 of the schools were private, 2 were public and they ranged in the US News and World report rankings from being in the top 15 to not being on the national list. The bottom line is while colleges all have certain reputations for the quality of their academics I have found it all comes down to what the individual student decides they are going to get out of it and what they are willing to put into it. There are high quality professors at all of them and there are ones who should not be allowed in front of students at all of them. Just as in other aspects of life it is all about what you make of the opportunities in front of you.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
yeah, they don't have a clue, never have. I read through a good part of that thread on Mgoblob and maybe the most common theme was how 'ohio is a shithole how do they get recruits to go there'.. Maybe theyve never left AA to see detroit, flint, benton harbor. People in glass houses.........
Logged in to upvote this. You are 100% correct. I have interviewed and hired engineering grads from OSU, Purdue, Illinois, Michigan, Notre Dame, and many others; the name of the school on the resume has meant zip in terms of which guys excel and which guys fail. It is all about the individual, their ability to think, and their work ethic.
UM is a fine school. In no way do I mean to downplay the achievement required to get admitted up there (if you don't play football). But having a degree from an "exclusive" school doesn't mean a thing. Neither does being a smug asshole. Hell I have guys who went to Grand Valley State, Toledo, Akron,etc., that work circles around the UM guys. They get paid more as a result.
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
Dude that awesome! I'm going to OU for med school in the fall.
THE University of Dayton
ND and UM are fine schools, but the fact is for a lot of their attendees, they are safety schools. Students who thought they were better than they were went there once they were rejected by actual top universities. Now they must salve their wounded egos by believing they are better than you. Like many schools around the country, they produce their fair share of outstanding graduates. However, where they truly excel is in their inordinate production of contemptuous and contemptible mediocrities.
If you put on blue lens glasses, in "fact", what color would you see?
What color would you feel?
===who hasn't thought they were "better than they were" or worse than they were? Thus, imperfect as we are, all our judgments are... inaccurate in truth and love..
Of course, we can make up any definition or interpretation we want to 'be right in our own mind'.
one would reckon those without confidence or any self awareness need the crutch of a school’s notoriety to fill that chasm of a void in their head/life
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
I believe that one of the advantages of Ohio State, at least in the late '90s when I was there, is that nobody is there to hold your hand and make you feel special. You have to succeed on your own. I was totally just a number, but sometimes in life, you are just a number.
that's a fact. truth is the resources to succeed are enormous if you use them, also the potential to do nothing is also there.
In the last rankings I saw, UM was #4 for public universities, Ohio State was #16. Both schools are members of the "public ivy" club.
But when you consider that Ohio State has 20,000 more students than UM and less selective entrance requirements, I'd say that Ohio State is doing a better job of educating people, on average.
Berkeley, UCLA and Virginia are far superior schools when compared toUM. But their fans don't stick their noses up like UM fans do.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I am fairly certain Coach Mick is keeping an eye on NPF during his last semester in HS. I expect NPF to show up in June bigger, faster, and stronger thanks to heeding Coach Mick's workout advice.
IIRC, several years back Coach Mariotti said he was making "individualized conditioning plans" following physical / medical assessments of the person's ideal weight & athletic goals. While tOSU gave out 'workout' recommendations, IIRC the in-depth assessments awaited the recruits' arrival on campus.
IMHO I think NPF was not only a better BOOM than Carman from a skill/technique view point but also from a "locker room/culture" point of view. Recruiting is a process unique to each individual but during his recruitment Carman seemed like he was much more of "me first" kind of guy than the "team first" recruits that Urban usually picks up. Sometimes team mates that are good and bad for "locker room environment" have a huge impact on game results. Look at what the subtraction of the anti culture players and the addition of team first players like Dakich has done for the OSU basketball team. Just a gut feel but I don't think Carman would have been good for OSU's locker room. Carman has skill but glad he took his negativity to Clemson. Much happier to get NPF instead.
the snapshot recruiting comparison becomes a tad clearer inasmuch as "football is 90% mental"....
but the dynamics are... dynamic. And this is... TODAY.
To me this is a top boom, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. At least, not the realistic possibility. When I read what his family said about academics and life after football, I wondered if Real Life Wednesday was a strong selling feature. Lord knows Gus Johnson calling Sam Hubbard "the money man" all season didn't hurt.
It just seemed to me that this was a unique recruitment - one that looked one way on the surface, but completely different between the lines.
iceberg analogy perhaps not watered down in this case....
I’d put Noah Spence in this category as well. Massive boom on a short time frame.
Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick
Nicholas Petite-Frere is a strong important recruit and a great accomplishment for this staff. Carman should have been a Buckeye. Too much of a need for a drama queen. In time it all rises to the surface. In 11 months there will be a proving ground called the CF playoffs. Each year the final 4 make their statement. The staff must put us into the playoffs every year. Winning it all is the proof of who's recruits are best and who's coaches are putting the best out there each week. Anxious to see it all finally come together.
We under achieved the last few years. Urban should have a hard discussion with the man in the mirror because QB - great young man from Texas loyalty should never surpass team loyalty.
Now is our time to move forward and upwards.
How is Carman a drama queen? He never committed nor did he ever say OSU was his dream school. He took an O/V to Clemson and announced they were his leader and eventually signed with them. He made it clear that he wanted to get away. People are just butt-hurt because they thought it was his "duty" to stay in-state. The real drama queens are Jones and Woodbey who were committed up until signing day and you could possibly add Cox who de-committed late in the process although he at least stayed in his home state.
I agree that we should avoid maligning these kids, but Carman did create some drama with his public statements if not his actions. He could turn out to be a great team guy at Clemson, but some of his quotes during his recruitment seemed to be me-oriented, in the theme of (I’m taking artistic license here, of course), “Don’t y’all try to to tell me who Jackson Carman is! I’m Jackson Carman, so I will tell all of you who I am.”
Carman is a perfect example of the need to “de-recruit” some signees. These 5* recruits have spent most of their high school lives being told how important, special, valuable they are. Once they join a major D1 program they will find themselves surrounded by similarly “special” teammates. De-recruitment is a reminder that no matter how high you thought you were, you’re at the bottom of a deep pile now. Depending on how successful Clemson is at this process, Carman could still turn into a positive team player, or even an outstanding one.
His "derecruitment" will be interesting to watch. He definitely has the small fish in a big pond problem to face, not to mention a lot of conditioning work to do. Dabo is a really good coach and if someone can turn Carman, I believe he can. Time will tell, and it's one I'll be paying attention to.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
i agree. for me,, i get it that he was pissed at being criticized so much and publicly for tweeting his opinion on the OSU QB choice,
but if he really thinks clemson is any different and dabo would tolerate him publicly questioning coaching decisions, he's gonna have a rude awakening
I agree. I think he is really get hit more for his tweets about the qb situation which as fans we get to do it but most will not look favorably at a recruit saying the same things.
Every one of these kids should go to the school they want to go to. In fact, it will be the only time in their lives (at least for most of them) that they get to choose where they will play. So, good for Carman from that standpoint and I respect his choice. What I do not respect and resent very much was his statement that Barrett, a guy he will never have the honor of playing with, should be kicked to the curb. He was 17 or 18 years old when he made that statement and had proven nothing (and still has not) on the collegiate level. Hopefully he will go on to be a great college player. However, the statement demonstrated that he is self-centered and immature. And, it will be ironic when Sweeney leaves Clemson (probably for Bama) before Carman graduates and surely before Coach Meyer leaves Ohio State.
From your lips to God’s ear. Right now it feels like Tuscalucifer will coach another 45 years.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Thank you Championship Guy for the steamin' hot take on JT. Hopefully one day for your sake you will be able to let it go.
Do we want to follow the Eagle that just landed... or the one taking off?
Isn't it a tad ironic that 'best' in any group... rationally infers 'the rest'... is all 'less'? Not only for that group... but every person in it.
While, in each of UFM's classes of recruits, a few acknowledge the importance of recongizing and acknowledging that the "stars" of before MUST BE 'laid aside', in order to set the heart on competing now, and joining a new group on a bonding, challenging mission.
This also helps put in mature perspective, those who choose to set their sights on a new goal, like Coach Coombs. For "I hurt"... is essentially selfish, and needs converting to greater than self perspective.
Andrew - good stuff
Any idea what happened with bama - they obviously fell off the radar at some point but do you know why. This kid is quick and will probably need to bulk up a bit.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Because obviously those are the only two schools in America with anything to offer. Yawn.
I love being a part of a site with actual Buckeye Fans as authors who can say stuff like this.
Everything starts and ends with a stud LT. This is such a huge get! I am still numb that we landed this kid.
Fields of Dreams
I wish I could find the youtube video of the Tennessee fan watching the Bell commitment announcement. iirc TeddyHeisman introduced it to the Scout community.
I like that a very grounded and talented young man with a “meticulous” family (very neat and organized) chose to compete at Ohio State. I look forward to him keeping his room and his academics meticulous, then going to the gridiron and making a big sloppy mess of the opposing defensive line.
It may just be recency bias, but NPF was the biggest get of the UFM era; a position of dire need, top ten recruit, #1 at his position. His recruitment always seemed like a what-the-heck-we-might-as-well-give-it-a-shot kind of deal when we jumped back in after signing day #1, so signing him seemed like lightning out of a clear sky. Even though it would have been an amazing class either way, landing him changed the whole narrative for this class after the downer day back in December. That he seem like a super squared away kid is icing on the cake.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Enjoyed this very much (the look at ND and M...igan's responses to OSU NPF especially).
Great read, AE.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
I'm guessing one of the biggest selling points to a recruit and their family - outside of all the actual football tangibles - is the program Urban brought in the 'life after football' arena. All of the business leaders he brings in and the awesome programs in place to help these young men in the life category is a massive positive! I have to believe the parents are blown away at the amount of energy and focus Urban and OSU puts into this effort! Gotta believe that moves the needle for OSU past many programs...
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
He certainly checks all the boxes for us.
Not many "true OT" recruits available this year so he was highly coveted nationally.
I am thrilled that Petite-Frere signed with us. And, I am also thrilled that Wray signed with us. With these two guys plus Prince, Munford, Bowen and Alabi, we are set for years at OT, IMO. In fact with Taylor, Jackson, Knox, Burrell, Meyers, Davis, and Jones, and probably others, we are also set at G and C for the next three years. Nester, Jacoby and Correll next season hopefully, at a minimum.
And Gavin Cupp too.
Send the Earth Reverberating
Urban said Petite-Frere was by far the most prepared player he has even seen for his sit down conversation. He had a complete list of questions for Urban and his staff and also had all the answers with him from other schools he'd visited. He had Ohio State rated the highest on his extensive profiling, after his official visit. Ohio State passed with flying colors.
Who cares if Bell or anyone else was a bigger catch than Nicholas? This young man is great human being and of course, the best OT in the country period. Live in the present and look into the future, forget the past as it is immaterial to OSU football in the years ahead.
However, with that said, there is a real problem within the OSU program. Every year since 2014, the current crop of players OSU signs never produce the results that Alabama does. What I don't get is, why not? I truly dislike the Crimson Turds. I can't stand what they bring to college football. But, I have to give them credit for all of their wins and championships. I want, like all of you, for Ohio State to be as perfect as possible. Games like the Iowa disaster should never, ever happen. Losing to a good ranked team is one thing but losing to Iowa was a joke. So again, what is the problem?
Go ahead and beat me up if you must. I admit I am not a football brain like most of you but, what I am, is a Buckeye and have been for over 50 years. So is my family as we have 20 graduates from OSU starting in the 1890's. Hopefully, the 2018 group of youngsters will provide us with another championship soon.
Strange how these things play out sometimes. We all had a collective meltdown when we missed on Jackson..... Only to end up with a better prospect later.
I don't like maligning kids for their choices. Jackson made his choice and I have no problem with it. Some of his public statements during the process made me think he's immature and a "me first" kind of guy, but that remains to be seen. Good luck to him in his career.
I think NPF is without a doubt the biggest boom imo, a position of critical need, late in the process, and he seems like a smart and prepared young man. Let's hope his career is a great success, at osu and beyond.
That mgoblog thread is glorious
If arrogance and condescension were people, TSUN would be China. Without tbe great food and kung-fu of course. That website is an eyesore, but that thread, I have to admit kept me reading longer than I should have.
Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.
Congrats on getting Petit-Frere, who looks like he's going to be a great player. I thought it was down to us or OSU, and when Harry Hiestand left I had the feeling that things were swinging in your favor with him. I'm disappointed that we didn't land him, but he clearly did his homework and he's going to a great school.
As for ND fans implying that people don't choose OSU for academics, well, there are whiners in every fanbase, including yours. Notre Dame whiners whine about academics, your whiners whine about losing Ohio kids from Catholic schools to Notre Dame (see Kraemer and Eichenberg). So, the real question for everyone (including you, Mr. Ellis), is whether you're going to be a whiner or not, and whether you're going to be one of the respectful fans or one of the disrespectful ones. Whining about other fans' whining is whining, too, and lumping all of an opposing fanbase in with their whiners is disrespectful.
I'm a Notre Dame fan, and I have always had great respect for OSU since the Woody Hayes days. (In fact, Hayes used to say he was one of Notre Dame's best recruiters, because if he thought he was losing a kid to Michigan he'd try to steer him to Notre Dame instead.) Furthermore, I've spent time on the OSU campus, and it's a great place. Either school will set you up for life.
Thanks for posting, Bob.
Yes, I am aware that every fanbase – including our own – has those types of fans. I know not every single Notre Dame fan is condescending about the academics just as I know not every OSU fan acts all strange about the Catholic school connection to ND.
And I agree that both schools are exceptional. I also agree with the other comments stating that it comes down to the individual more so than the institution.
Whining about whiners who whine about whiners is whining too...
The Buckeye behind enemy lines...
Not saying he is a D-bag. But he may be showing some of the symptoms of D-baggery