Urban Meyer, Gene Smith Want Recruits to Know He Has No Plans to Leave Ohio State Anytime Soon

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Great time to be a Buckeye. I think we got at least 1 or 2 more national title runs before Urbz rides off into the sunset. Three or four would be awesome but I'm gonna enjoy the ride and not worry about things. Gotta think these last 2 recruiting classes are gonna have something to say about it all.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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Davep160's picture

dilly dilly

The lord of brevity.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

To the pit of misery, dilly dilly

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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Buck68's picture

IBS&G - agree that, from a fan's POV, it's "great times to be a Buckeye".  Self-gratification is... well... gratifying.

And i presume we want 'more' of it... evermore.   

So... what does the content of this article reveal about how to 'get more'?

IMO...

it reveals both Gene Smith and UFM 'have a process'  for staff contract renewals/extensions, and follow how recruiting competitors try to convert our process into their advantage, e.g. the Dabo's of the world by rumor & innuendo.

It also reveals that, given our process and tracking...  it appears we waited to effectively respond to a very predictable ploy.  Maybe if we had beaten Clemson, rather than got beat and the got pummeled, we could speak from the mountaintop, so to speak.

So... where's our Out-Competitor Psychological Office in our so brilliant Marketing Department?  It's 'popular' to initiate with a BobbleHead for $$$.  But we bobbled the initiative and delayed our response to the maneuvers of our competitors down south....

Our players on the field in 2017, led our team in overcoming our leaders' limitations in marketing, the psychologies in recruiting, and tactical thinking on offense.

It appears as if, like in budget, we produce the resources.  UFM and staff have developed the right relationships with many recruits, to the point we do a good job 'walking our talk' in standards. 

But we're not here to 'have' or 'do a good job'.  UFM says it best:  "outcompete" ...with skills AND right behavior & motivation.

So the day dabo dipped into the rumor pool... what should our response have been?  And what should we have done to regain and exploit The Initiative?  I.E. yet another opportunity to exercise self-control by our standards.

For ex:  "I heard there's a rumor floating around about Coach Meyer.  We often hear rumors.  But we teach here that men don't operate on rumors about a person.  If we have a question about a person, we first go to the person and ask.  Or, in our case,  first refer that person to our normal process when that addresses the rumor.

Uphold and demonstrate we apply what we say we stand for.   TODAY.

For what kind of person claims to 'have known all along'  AFTER the rumor has started?  It's already 'not a fair fight'....

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Spirit's picture

The only effective way to get Dabo is kicking his ass on the field.........

Spirit

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Buck68's picture

Spirit - wouldn't that be a 'transference' - personal foul on the personally foul?

"Get" is not the highest motivation i've heard of & doesn't measured up the H&I; but, it is a most familiar feeling.....   

;-{)}

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mr.green's picture

Gene will be gone long before Urban. 

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BrutusB's picture

I hope they’re both here for a very long time. 

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CC's picture

I used to think Gene was a clown, not sure why.  I never gave him credit for Urban because that was an obvious hire and it was going to be up to Urban whether he came or not.  So essentially he did what he was supposed to to.  The basketball team this year changed my mind, Smith is the real deal.

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cricejr's picture

OK, so coach is signed through 2022; please present any shred of proof that Smith is looking to be gone. 

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mr.green's picture

Didn’t say gene is looking to be gone. But he is older than Urban and if we are fortunate he will be gone long before Urban.

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Dstacify's picture

Everybody thought Gene was done for after Tattoogate and he managed to make it through that fairly unscathed. Considering how big of home runs his hiring of both Meyer and Holtmann to run the fball and bball programs has been I think Gene will be allowed to stick around for as long as he wants to remain in the job (unless, God forbid, another scandal strikes).

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BrutusB's picture

I forget all the nitty gritty details, but wasn't Tatgate a problem in the first place specifically because Gene was NOT involved?  His own coach lied to him, and when Gene found out he fired him.  Hard to see what he could have done differently there.

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Dstacify's picture

I think most people at the time viewed Gene possibly getting tossed by Gee (the President at the time) for lack of institutional control of the athletic department. In the NCAA's eyes, the fact that Gene didn't know the info Tress was concealing doesn't make him innocent, it makes him terrible at his job and therefore just as responsible. I was frankly surprised Gene made it out of that scandal unscathed especially considering how his predecessor, Geiger, was ousted in part due to the Maurice Clarett situation. But he won me over with the hiring of Urban. That day was definitely a turning point for OSU football. And Gene has done a great job of righting the ship since then.

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BrutusB's picture

Ah, ok.  I think giving Tressel the axe probably saved him.  "Lack of institutional control" applies more when the  AD does nothing (like Hugh Freeze hanging on forever)

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Dstacify's picture

I interpreted it more as Tressel voluntarily stepping away for the sake of covering for everyone else in the athletic department (he could've been forced, who knows). I hated that Tressel's actions brought one year of sanctions down on the program and kept what could've been a NC-caliber team in 2012 from competing but looking back I understand now why he did what he did. He genuinely feared for his players' safety due to Rife's reputation and didn't want to make what was happening public knowledge for that reason. I don't think there was anything selfish about what he did, he was guilty of lying to his boss and the NCAA (which is punishable by career death sentence in their eyes). He accepted his fate gracefully unlike Pete Carroll years ago at USC when the Reggie Bush story came to the forefront and he subsequently fled to the NFL and left the school hanging.

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stxbuck's picture

This is absolutely correct-Tressel fell on his sword for the program.

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CowCat's picture

I don't buy the argument that Tressel fell on his sword for the university, or his argument that he was merely trying to protect his players.

If he knew Rife was doing illegal things, get the police involved. If your players are committing violations, you have to discipline them.

But the writing was already on the wall in 2010. During the season my father (OSU professor) told me that the trustees of the university wanted to replace Tressel with Meyer when Meyer became available. They just needed a reason.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Dstacify's picture

What reason would they have had to oust Tressel if the sanctions had never happened regardless of Meyer being available? OSU was averaging well over 10 wins a season during his final 6 seasons (including two NC appearances) so they weren't exactly on the decline as a program and Tressel was constantly bringing in strong recruiting classes, some of whom Urban was able to have success with when he got here (guys like Braxton, Cardale, Carlos Hyde, Devin Smith, Philly Brown, etc., they were all Tressel recruits who accomplished so much under Meyer). Meanwhile comparatively if you look at Meyer's last season at UF in 2010 (also Tress's last year at OSU) the Gators were a huge disappointment that year and everyone was questioning whether Urban was capable of winning without Tebow. If the school really decided to hedge their bets prior to the 2010 season before the sanctions even came to light and oust Tressel for the sake of bringing in Meyer I'm sorry but that's a horrible business practice and one that I don't see this athletic department being foolish enough to take part in. The reality is Tressel got in trouble with the NCAA and things fell into place with Urban after that. The talks about Urban coming to OSU didn't start until after the sanctions hit and it became clear Tressel wouldn't survive them. Plus I can't see Urban taking part in a coup like that to begin with. It sounds like your dad was fed some misinformation by the wrong people.

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CowCat's picture

I'm just telling you what I was told by my father. He wasn't excited about it. I was told during the TTUN game in 2010. According to him it was the trustees thinking this, not the athletic department. 

As much as I loved Tressel, he did have 4 embarrassing losses against elite programs in his later years. 2 heavy NC losses, 2 losses to USC.

At some point people are looking for the next shiny new thing.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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PhillyNut's picture

But isn't it a fact that if the NCAA believes something is a certain way that it really is the opposite?  That would explain Gene surviving it to even get selected to the National Championship Playoff Committee.  NCAA says "You are wrong".  Rest of the world says "You are right".

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Dstacify's picture

The NCAA is a corrupt organization that is never consistent with their punishments, that's a fact. If they actually had a standard that they followed when it came to sanctioning schools PSU wouldn't have a football program right now.

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Bukirob's picture

Nope, quite the opposite.   JT told Smith about it... that's the real tragedy of that whole situation.  They were 100% in JT's corner until someone on the BOT said they could get Meyer. The rest, as they say, is history

You WIN with people.

 

 

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Dstacify's picture

The only question I have to the validity of that story is, if true, then why does Tressel still have a good relationship with OSU today (appearing with the 2002 NC team at the Game in 2012 and even attending the coaches clinics in the off-season a couple years ago at Urban's request) if Gene, Gee, and everyone else were actively scapegoating him for the sake of pursuing Meyer? I know Tressel is a very gracious person and not the type to hold grudges but if what you're saying is fact I couldn't see even him ever setting foot on OSU's campus ever again even if his career accomplishments were being honored.

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BradentonBuck's picture

JT was not going to let kids get railroaded again ala MoC so he went kind of rogue.  He fell on the sword to protect the university.  Gene took the heat for not self imposing a bowl ban for the 2011 season knowing we were going to be shitty (his arrogance cost is) instead we got it with the 2012 NC caliber team.

I believe Gene and Gee were actually supporting JT but it got too big and JT bit the bullet.

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Buck68's picture

IF... 'once a Buckeye, always a Buckeye'...

then:

both will be here, whether here or gone.

For none of us are 'good', but the struggle for Honesty & Integrity... endures for life.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I’m glad UFM will be here for as long as he has that desire to coach our beloved Buckeyes and I look forward to many more successful seasons with him at the healm.  

Side note:  It would be nice to live in a world where people worried about promoting their own brand instead of trying to bash someone else’s. I understand the competitive nature of the CFB/business but anytime I walk into to purchase something and the salesman spends more time bashing the competition than selling me on his brand it worries me. 

Jack Tatum hates targeting penalties. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Sounds like there's a specific coach in State College that you're speaking about SP. Nothing burns me more than a greasy salesman that benefits through their lies.

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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lamplighter's picture

those people deserve a serious smack down on their home field.  Say on September 29th.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Cream rises during those tough games - having barkley gone will be helpful.  

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

No way in hell McSorely beats us by himself. They're gonna miss Barkley badly.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I agree McSorley will need help but Sanders will be a really good back this season. 

Jack Tatum hates targeting penalties. 

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Dstacify's picture

Not just Barkley. Gesicki and Hamilton are also off to the NFL. That's two of their biggest threats in the passing game gone (and I remember the matchup at the Shoe last year, Gesicki was the only player who was consistently getting open against our defense, losing him might be just as crippling to their offense as losing Barkley).

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Seattle Linga's picture

Thanks I forgot about Hamilton - that dude had great speed and super hands. Gesicki was also at another level. PSU will need to find their way quickly. 

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MountainsAwait's picture

I thought he was referring to Dabo.

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Seattle Linga's picture

Maybe it was the 2 for 1 kill shot. I read it as franklin

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saintstephen11's picture

Yeah. I read Dabo too. He was the one telling recruits that Urban was old and was near the end of his career.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I was talking more in general. It could be any coach that employs that tactic against another school. I wouldn’t be happy if Meyer and staff was doing the same. 

Jack Tatum hates targeting penalties. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Uh, the only university in Rock Hill is Winthrop. 

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Buck68's picture

exactly on the side note, SP32.

but 'worry' is the natural response, not what UFM has called us to stand for... and act upon.

and our 'concern' doesn't move that bar of life we're so debating about... up or down.

===as for our HC's - consider their performances and their character down through our history.  Many examples of greatness, several tragedies of the fatal flaw kind.  So, while i hope UFM and all his assistants and ...so forth can remain here "as long as he has that desire"... that's not the only criteria.

But it's a great example of why 'we' [all] ought to hold ourselves [each, but first personally] to a standard... worthy of what we say we stand on...that's greater than our selves...

while...

also upholding the 'freedom' we have already been given... while many of our friends and enemies try to... 'take some' to 'help raise your awareness'... of that which each of us already knows... be cause some Somebody put it in us.

p.s. "bashing & selling"... has a familiar feeling to it....   ;-{)}

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

dude what the hell are you talking about

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Buck68's picture

Buckeye in Denver:   Urban Meyer's program standards.

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

Ok, Gene, point made, but atleast can we make it a 9 year extension?

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cricejr's picture

Why not a lifetime extension, like harbaugh was supposed to get? 

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

Im still holding out hope for that. Unfortunately its probably too late

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Numbers's picture

In the previous story on Smith's comments on the Jimbo/Saban deals I said the same thing that Geno mentioned above...about the contract getting down to 3 years being an issue other coaches would use against OSU/Meyer in recruiting. The 3 years left gave weight/credence to things like what Dabo allegedly was saying. Makes total sense to extended the deal out now for those reasons and glad to see they did it.

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IH8UOFM's picture

"I'm not a big believer in 10-year contracts. I'm just not one of those guys," Smith said. 

Me either. It should be a LIFETIME contract.

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BrutusB's picture

No it shouldn’t. OSU obviously wants to keep him when things are going well but they also need to protect themselves from situations like the latter Bowden years. In the .01% chance that Urban loses his touch they can’t ever be on the hook for a massive buyout. It’s ruthless, but smart. 

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

As much as I love having Urban as our coach, I also agree the University should not put itself in a monetary hole, so to speak.  I know this university can afford  it, but I believe in being a little frugal.

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countrybuckeye's picture

please, just stop with all this wisdom talk

you're making too much sense, and well, I'll have none of it

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Dstacify's picture

Or even better example, the latter Joe Pa years at PSU. He stuck around long enough to tarnish his own legacy not to mention the school's in the worst possible way. Not saying Meyer is cut from the same cloth though, he seems to run a pretty tight ship at least on the football side.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

One of the biggest problems at Penn State was that Paterno was there so long, he actually became bigger and more powerful than any other facet of life, not only at the school, but in State College itself.  I love me some Urban Meyer (and Spinner Shells), but 5 year renewable contracts prevents THAT unhealthy situation developing.

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Dstacify's picture

Tbh I think the OSU community as a whole is a little different from PSU in general. Penn State is a P5 school in a very small college town out in the middle of nowhere in Appalachia Pennsylvania. That community is so small and tight-knit that the biggest thing they cling to out there (the only thing really) is PSU football. Hence the fact that many of them viewed Paterno as nothing short of royalty in that town in part due to his legacy at PSU and the subsequent consequences of allowing his power to go unchecked for years. I guarantee probably +95% of the residents of that town are PSU fans and live, breathe, and die PSU football because in their minds it's really all they have. Ohio State meanwhile is located in Columbus, a much larger community than State College. Columbus is such a big city in terms of population that it's not uncommon to come across people in the area who actually aren't fans of OSU. The school knows catering to the fans when it comes to coaching responsibilities is never a good idea (and many of the greatest OSU coaches have left the school on downright unpleasant terms, look at what happened to Woody, Bruce, Cooper, and Tressel at the end of their tenures). OSU is a much more spread out community than PSU is due to its location so for that reason I think any decision (popular or unpopular) made by the athletic department is less likely to receive violent pushback from the student body like the riots that happened on the PSU campus after Paterno's firing was announced. PSU fans literally talked themselves into believing that the fb program would die once Paterno was gone because he had been there for so long and for many of those fans he was the only coach they had known at PSU. And yet, look at where they are now with Franklin.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

OSU obviously wants to keep him when things are going well but they also need to protect themselves from situations like the latter Bowden years.

True, Bowden went downhill after age 71. But Bowden's BEST years were between age 63 and 70 (1992 -1999). Bowden had 88 wins and 9 losses and 2 Nattys (90.7 W/L%).

Pretty much the same can be said of Saban who won 4 of his Nattys after he turned 60. (89-9   91.7 W/L%)

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cricejr's picture

Wow, I was kidding when I said it but then someone actually said it for real. And I bet this guy thinks Smith sucks because he's NOT offering a lifetime contract. 

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

People naturally get ancy when there is nothing exciting enough going on in their lives, or they have so much going on that they need a distraction. To put it simply, half of the news we read is just overblown sentiment and gossip. I'd like to see half of the efforts in speculating outcomes put toward solutions to clean up our earth of the waste, starting with TTUN... Oh wait, that's what Jim Tressel and Urban have already done.

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buckeyenationlouisvillebranch's picture

Great time to be a Buckeye fan!! We are very lucky to have an AD like Gene Smith. I personally think he is the best in the country. If anyone doubts that, I got one name for you, Holtzmann. Mic drop

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BrutusB's picture

Holtmann*. But yea, point taken. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Urban's only getting started - his passion to bring the hardware back to OSU has never been stronger.

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WestDesMoinesBuckeye's picture

To see how excited he was when Togai and NPF committed shows how badly he wants to win and that he is not thinking about retirement.  Both of those videos were awesome, I wish there were more of them.

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

I think the only indicator that could be alarming is his body language, esp during big games. Yes, he has every right so to look frantic and coiled up, but I also remember when he was actually having fun on the sidelines

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BrutusB's picture

I actually think that’s him reining himself in (as opposed to the suicidal Florida version). Whenever something bad happens now he puts his hands on his knees and looks down, almost like he’s taking a deep breath and telling himself not to get worked up. 

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Urban Cowbuck's picture

I would like to see him turn total control of the offense over to Wilson and Day. Let them work their magic and allow Urban to concentrate on all of his head coaching duties. I will agree he has looked a bit frazzled on the sidelines the past few seasons.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Completely agreed - I think he's finally handing over the reigns for the betterment of everything including his stress level.

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Dstacify's picture

I think the fact that Day has been promoted to co-offensive coordinator and given play-calling duties alongside Wilson next year is telling that Meyer plans to relinquish some control of the offense at least to them. For all his faults Urban is a smart guy, he knows three different coaches trying to call plays on game day will not work for this offense next year. Day's promotion to me is a great sign that Meyer realizes he won't likely be able to obsess over the QB run next season with JT gone.

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Extramedium's picture

Especially when three offensive gurus and an offense full of 4 and 5 star players equaled such uninspired performances on several key occasions throughout the season.

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CowCat's picture

Turning the reins completely over to Wilson and Day doesn't make sense, as either of them could leave soon.

Urban is the one constant that will be here. It's his offense,. His core concepts of spread formations, numbers advantages and QB/RB zone reads won't change.

The great coordinators (like Herman) digest Urban's playbook, add some wrinkles and call the right play at the right time.

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-- Urban Meyer

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Buck68's picture

Seattle:  here we yearn to 'be'... but, who can claim to 'know'?

perhaps an anecdote...

a personal encounter...

a comment overhead...

a family input...

a player personal experience?

Anyone remember the Woody stories?  Each coach has ....many.

Remember Luke saying "I'd crawl on my belly to get back to Columbus"?

Why claim with no authority, when you can paint an illustration as the artist, or even write as the faithful recorder?

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TJG32's picture

You can’t spell  GOAT without G(ene). 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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Hey, that's my line!

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Seattleosufan's picture

Buckeyes really promoted a sense of stability at the top of the program with Meyer and Schiano  at the signing day presser . Dabo landed one cheap  shot. He won’t get another. 

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Not letting Dabo off the hook for a very low-handed move, but it seems like it wouldn't have taken much to give Carman a reason to go elsewhere; he just seemed determined to choose another school besides Ohio State. As he said, he just wanted to go out of state to school.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Don't know anything about him, but he might want to escape his parents a bit and cut loose.  It'll be interesting to see how things go for the young man at Clemson.  Might be for the best he didn't choose tOSU after all.

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analyticalguy's picture

That was a big part of my deciding to go to school out of state. I wasn't going to have my family just "stopping by." As it was, they once arrived early for a visit on a Friday night rather than the next morning while I was passed out drunk in my room from too much tequila. Fortunately, only may way-cool sister found me there, reporting back to them that I had gone out for a bite to eat, leading them to check out all the nearby eateries seeing if they could find me (obviously they didn't). I couldn't have counted on more than one close call had I been a mere hour and a half away, especially when they often had business or social affairs in Columbus.

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Buck68's picture

same here, Navy.  Plausible intent... but doesn't match some behaviors.

'Time won't tell'... but he, like all of us, will... in part.  ;-{)}

He could even possibly potentially be... a prodigal.   I've heard that's 'happened'... be fore.   

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Agree. More than one college freshman has ‘left the nest’ only to find out the nest weren’t so bad after all. 

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BrutusB's picture

Agreed.  I actually sympathize with him - I went to OSU as an out of state student myself, specifically because I didn't want to go to school with half my high school.  Some people just like change.

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countrybuckeye's picture

he made the best choice for himself, as he assessed everything it would require to join THE

he read Jim Tressel's book "What It Means To Be A Buckeye"  -- and decided it wasn't for him.

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Buck68's picture

Countrybuckeye - rationally plausible, but...

as for me,

i'm still working on 'best', 'assessed'', 'everything', 'require'...

...except when i sneak into / fantasize i'm in ...the Driver's seat. 

;-{)}

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stxbuck's picture

Every year there are a few recruits-from far away-who just want to sign w/ the fun n' sun program du jour. Miami, Clemson, FSU, Florida under Urbz-he wasn't recruiting valedictorian types to Gainesville,USC-the "it" program changes but the mentality/recruits don't.

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Dstacify's picture

I definitely think Dabo's recruiting tactics as of late have shown how arrogant he's become, probably in part due to the fact he's beaten Meyer twice. His comments to Carman about Meyer potentially quitting soon could stem from him actually believing that both of his victories over OSU have broken Urban and he's subsequently lost his will to continue coaching as a result (which could not be further from the truth).

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Extramedium's picture

The whole Dabo recruiting comment was overblown I'm sure.  Especially since the entire world expects Dabo to be gone from Clemson the second Saban retires.  That kid was sick of everyone telling him he was required to play for Ohio state and wanted to do his own thing.  

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Keze's picture

It is good to get that out where recruits know for sure but in the case of Carman I always thought he wasn't going to be a Buckeye anyways.

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Seattleosufan's picture

I think what’s important is that it was acknowledged in the media that Meyer’s future was a small factor  in Carman going somewhere else. And  Oweh admitted publicly “ some team” used negative recruiting about Johnson’s future as a tactic .  Meyer is the kind of ruthless recruiter that won’t let that happen again. You can bet others will keep trying it. 

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Dstacify's picture

**Cough**Cough**Hairball**Cough

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Buck68's picture

Keze:

i sometimes occasionally "think"...

er, sometimes 'i feel i think' too.   

;-{)}

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Keze's picture

lmao but I always thought.

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I am Kirok's picture

A two year extension merely kicks the can down the road just a little bit. Maybe not a ten year deal but why not 5? or seven?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

With three years currently remaining on his contract, a two year extension is a 66% increase on his contract.  It takes him out to when this summer's entering freshmen graduate.  That's an eternity in college football coaching. 

The average tenure for a CFB HC is 3.8 years.  http://www.businessinsider.com/college-football-players-coaches-recruiti...

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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0H-10's picture

Odd to think that Urban has been at the Woody longer than he was at the swamp.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He’s rapidly approaching Coach Bruce and Coach Tressel in number of years at tOSU. 

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BrutusB's picture

Because there's no real incentive to do that.  How would locking him up for 7-9 years be any different than how things are today?  At this point basically the only job Urban could conceivably leave for would be in the NFL (which I don't really see happening, but still), in which case the years remaining would be a moot point.   

And despite all the Dabo comments, its not like the shorter timespan actually hurts our recruiting - we signed the #2 class the past two years.

So basically only bad things could happen with a contract that long.  What if Urban sucks 6 years from now?  You really want to be paying a giant buyout when we don't have to?

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

I still worry about Notre Dame going after him whenever they end up firing Kelly. I think Urban would ultimately turn that one down -- the recruiting disadvantages and the horrible boosters at ND would probably be enough to keep him in Columbus -- but I'd be kidding myself if I said I didn't think he'd find the allure of coaching the Fighting Irish appealing. I just hope that Kelly continues to barely hold on to his job for as long as possible. And who knows, depending on how this season goes for ND, maybe we'll see Schiano in blue and gold in 2019.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

No worries, Denver. Notre Dame  went balls-to-the-wall to hire UFM after the 2004 season. UFM said no, and took the Florida job.

And it is Woody Hayes picture that has hung on Coach Meyer's office wall at every stop along the way - Not Knute Rockne. The Meyer's have come home to stay.

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TMac's picture

Kirok,   The tipping point is 4 years, or the typical college career. Push it out past 4 and then the coach is under contract for the full term of the kids he's recruiting for the current class.  I would expect Gene to then do this every two years, provided UFM wants to stay. Covers the recruits, and OSU & UFM check in every two years to reconfirm and adjust compensation. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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mr.green's picture

Having 5 is fine. 4 is borderline low. I say a one year extension after each season from here out would be perfect. 

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah 

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jpfbucks01's picture

in August of 2009 Urban signed a new 6 year contract with UF to keep him there thru 2015, within 16 months he had left.

Just sayin,,, things change sometimes.

he could be here the entire 5 years or longer, and he could lose the desire and want to retire in 2 years who knows. As Gene said this is more about recruiting than anything else. For now it is Urban's job until he doesn't want it anymore, the years is just for marketing purposes.

In early November 2010, when Tressel was under contract thru 2014, who would have thought that OSU would fire him in 6 months??

things happen...

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IH8UOFM's picture

This is 100% true, but it's gonna be lost on the majority of the people on this forum.

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stxbuck's picture

Hence Smith saying 'Hell No" to 10 year contracts..........

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Buck68's picture

Jpfbucks01.   Sobering recollections.... for periodic reminder!

"things happen" describes non-sentient stuff...

we who are "aware" be cause our scientists say so... therefore 'have an input' into causes, and even circumstances.

IMO your descriptions of events are both relevant and reminders of claims and circumstances... of things that will occur... that we know darned well may... change....

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Gene Smith took a very wise, proactive approach to the issue here.  Great work and pumped for Urban to stay as long as possible!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

There isn't a dollar amount that can quantify Urban Meyer's worth to the program!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

I am really looking forward to seeing Urban's next tilt with Dabo.

With all due respect to Clemson, they beat 2 very flawed Buckeyes teams.  

I Hate Michigan.

 

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Buck68's picture

Neil...  ;-{)}

the very flawed win or lose to the very flawed...

while the respecting gets more or less reps...

and the meaning of it all... well,

we've 'progressed' to reducing it to

'whatever i feel'.

p.s.  We have a rendez-vous with:  USC, Clemson, 'Bama, South Carolina, Georgia... um... in making a few...

progress from more to less....

GO BUCKS! 

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ZeroDimension's picture

helps recruiting... but I would guess it could save OSU money...  lock him in at today's rates, not that they cant be upped... but if things start to level off for urban or slide(it happens to everyone, and saban will be next) you arent stuck trying to keep a coach who may be past his peak while trying give him insane dollars based on past performance...   This is a business

I compare it to Matta around the same time( people were terrified he would leave) fast forward 5 years and people couldnt wait to get rid of him...  It is a fickle business

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Well hell, there goes all of the Florida fan's argument that Meyer will spurn us like he kicked them to the curb... poor Gator fans...

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Cooper's picture

Would now be a good time to donate my arc reactor to Urban?

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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bucksfan92's picture

The extension makes sense and I agree with Gene that 10 year deals are not good business (along those lines I was very surprised he gave Holtmann 8 years right out of the gate).  However it is laughable that he and Urban claim, I assume with a straight face, that they "don't know why anyone would suspect Urban might leave some time soon"  Well golly gee, maybe because he retired twice from Florida before he turned 50? I mean I get it, he's in a better place, both football wise and from a personal and health perspective, but it's comical that they just kind of ignore those episodes in Gainesville.  But at the end of the day, I don't care, he likes it here, he wants to stay, so let's lock him up (in a good way)  for as long as he wants to be here AND still performs like he has been.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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chirobuck's picture

This is the biggest BOOM we've had in a while

 

^ best post ever ^

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ogama843's picture

Yea. Since Wednesday! Bout time we got more BOOM!

Holy Buckeye!

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buckeyepastor's picture

I hope that time is still a good 5-10 years away, but I look forward to seeing Meyer be the first OSU coach in most of our lifetimes to simply move on from his tenure with us of his own choice.  

I don’t know whether to pity or laugh at recruits and families that bite on the bait of coaches bad-mouthing the coaches of other schools.   I know it’s just the reality of things, but Swinney characterizing Meyer at Ohio State - a buckeye native and life-long Buckeye fan returning to one of only two places that he has said is his “dream job” - as being a guy whose loyalty is debatable is just garbage.  What an ass he is.  

Sadly, as long as you have folk like Jimbo, willing to jump ship with years left on a contract, no length of extension is going to keep people from getting suckered in by whispers of Meyer leaving OSU.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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ZeroDimension's picture

At one point, I thought Matta would be the coach to leave on his own terms in my lifetime...  I really hope to see at least one... 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I'm not expecting much. I just want Urban to stay long enough to pass Saban's NC mark. Anything beyond that is icing on the cake.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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BrutusB's picture

Uh I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm fairly certain Urban isn't winning 4 more NCs.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Uh I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm fairly certain Urban isn't winning 4 more NCs.

I'm happy to be the bearer of good news. Saban had only 1 Natty at age 53. Coach Meyer has 3. Meyer's not going anywhere til he knocks Saban off his high chair horse.

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AWC 89's picture

I understand why Saban gets $10M to coach at U of Ala.  You would have to pay me that much to work in that state.

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BrutusB's picture

Tuscaloosa is actually a really cool college town.  And Birmingham was better than I expected.

But the rest of the state is where the stereotypes come from.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

For those who insist on constantly dissing Gene Smith as some kind of incompetent, I would ask that you at least read his current bio, responsibilities, and achievements. You probably won't, but at least others who aren't stuck in a revolving 2011 football team door can learn what incredible work Gene has done on behalf of OSU.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/genrel/smith_gene00.html

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jpfbucks01's picture

I agree completely, while the decision to accept the bowl bid in 2011 was fairly bad, it hardly outweighs all the good that he has helped bring here.

Besides the Football team, the following is from an article recently in the Dayton Daily News, plus other sources

1. Men’s basketball

The Buckeyes stopped the nation’s longest win streak at 19 games by beating Purdue on Wednesday. They came back from as much as a 14-point deficit and won 64-63 on Keita Bates-Diop’s putback with three seconds left to gain a share of first place in the Big Ten.

2. Wrestling 

The wrestling team is ranked No. 2 nationally and just lost its first match against top-ranked Penn State on Saturday in what was dubbed by some as the “Dual of the Millennium” and the “Super Bowl of College Wrestling.” The Buckeyes (12-1, 7-1 B1G) draw surprisingly large crowds for a minor sport, including a crowd of more than 15,000 for their last home match against Iowa. Heavyweight Kyle Snyder, who won an Olympic gold medal in Rio, and 197-pounder Kollin Moore both are top-ranked individuals at their weight class, and the Buckeyes have seven All-Americans. Since 1921, OSU has produced 97 All-Americans, 22 individual NCAA champions, two Olympic gold medalists, four Big Ten team titles and one NCAA team championship.

3. Women’s rowing

The Ohio State women's rowing team finished fifth at the NCAA Championships to end the 2017 season and has been a strong program overall. The top-five finish marked the 11th time in 18 trips to the NCAA regatta that the Buckeyes have earned a fifth-place showing or better.

4. Women’s soccer

OSU claimed the first outright Big Ten regular-season championship in program history in the fall but ended the season with a 2-1 loss to Vanderbilt on a goal in the 89th minute in an NCAA tournament first-round game. The Buckeyes were 15-5-1 and made their third straight NCAA appearance, 12th overall since 2002.

5. Women’s synchronized swimming

The Buckeyes claimed their 30th national championship last spring, making it the most successful sport at Ohio State in that measure. It was the synchro team’s first title since 2015. Eight individuals earned All-America honors, and senior Elizabeth Davidsonwon an individual national title for the second-straight year.

6. Men’s tennis

OSU is ranked No. 2 nationally in men’s tennis at 5-0 to open the season and faces No. 6 Texas A&M and No. 11 Florida this weekend. Five individuals were ranked in the first Oracle/ITA singles and doubles rankings of 2018. The Buckeyes were NCAA tournament semifinalists last year, finishing 33-4 with a loss to eventual champion Virginia.

7. Women’s tennis

The Buckeyes are currently ranked 22nd nationally with a 3-1 record to open the 2018 season, but they are coming off their best season in program history last year. OSU, ranked No. 2 at the time, advanced to the NCAA tournament semifinals and finished 32-3 overall. The 32 wins was a program record. Francesca Di Lorenzo and Miho Kowase won the NCAA doubles title for the program’s first individual national championship.

8. Women's basketball

20-5/9-3 this year, ranked #13, winners of 4 straight

9. Men's Lacrosse

1-0 to start this year after going 16-5 last year and played in the national championship game.

10. Men's volleyball

32-2 and National Champs last year for the 2nd year in a row after going to the Final 4 the year before.

11. Pistol

Back to back National Champs

12. Mens and Womens Track

Both ranked in top 25

13. Men's swimming and diving

was ranked 19th last year

14. Rifle

OSU finished 7th Nationally last year

15. Mens Hockey

Currently ranked 7th and made the final 8 in Last Years ncaa tourney

16. Mens Golf

Finished last year ranked 9th in the country

17. Mens Fencing

National runner up last year

18. Mens Cross Country

Won B1g Title and went to regionals in NCAA

19. Mens Gymnastics

currently ranked #6

20. Women's Cross Country

Won B1G title last year

21. Womens Field Hockey

Ranked briefly last year and had first winning record since 2012

22. Womens Golf

Finished last year in the top 10

23. Womens Hockey

Currently ranked #5

24. Softball

35-8 last year, went to ncaa tourney, ranked for 8 straight weeks

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typeOHpositive's picture

Heck Yeah !!!!!  Go Bucks !!!!!! Strong programs across the board.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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DP71's picture

I’m happy for Carman that he will go to the school he wants to go to. But, the irony will be that Sweeney is likely to leave Clemson long before Coach Meyer leaves Ohio State. Also, I am very happy that all of our 2018 signees chose to be Buckeyes. 

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Chrisjvaz's picture

Swinney will be there carmans four years. That’s really all that matters to Carman 

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Grisle's picture

Saban is 66, I could see him retiring within the next 4 years and Dabo will be the first coach Bama calls to fill the spot. Dabo is a Bama alum, so it's not a stretch that he would take the job if it became open.

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Chrisjvaz's picture

Good point, I just think Dabo might want his own legacy. I mean sabans shoes maybe tough to fill. That’s high expectations. 

Chris V

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DP71's picture

I always thought Tressel was a great man and Coach.  Still do. But, I also think Coach Meyer is a great man and Coach and I am thankful that he will be our Coach for at least 5 more years. 

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DP71's picture

Gene Smith deserves tremendous credit. He hired Meyer, Holtmann and Coaches of other sports who are equally outstanding

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typeOHpositive's picture

Urban's words are like a warm blanket fresh out of the dryer on a cold day.

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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EightyDeuce's picture

Great news from UFM "The Closer". Can't say he doesn't work hard for his money! Same can be said for the entire football coaching/recruiting staff.

Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.
'Merica!

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Eph97's picture

I'd hope Urban outlasts Saban. The road to the national title will get a lot easier with him gone, not that OSU can't beat him now but at least you'll be assured Alabama won't be given a playoff spot every year.

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Buck68's picture

Eph97... if you are going to 'force' Saban 'off the road'... at least you could 'wish' we give him one last 'fond farewell'...?  

"Outlasting" is not quite the passionate outcompeting....   ;-{)}

As for the ease of NC... we need look no further than in our mirror....

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kmp10's picture

 "Urban's always, for some reason, always had that rumor that he wasn't going to coach long.

Well, probably because of three things: Meyer's exit from Florida... twice, Meyer's wife not being shy about stating publicly, multiple times, that it's 'too stressful' to coach very long, and his infamous 'pink contract' that received more publicity than any family drafted agreement should ever receive. Shelly Meyer is vocal and very public. In all the years Thad Matta was here I don't think I ever saw his wife once. Never. Tressel's wife was more public than Matta's wife, but not even remotely close to Meyer's wife... and Shelly is more than happy to offer her opinion, either verbally or on social media, and that all plays into the perception people have of Urban Meyer, and the perception is that he's a short timer. I hope he's here for another decade... or more... but he'll be fighting that 'one foot out the door' perception as long as he's here I'd bet. 

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Buck68's picture

Kmp10...   UFM has the opportunity to update on these issues... daily, and positively, and in terms of what he's learned, and by setting an example of what he stands for....

While many bet on many things... betting is not the substantive issue here, as you point out; it is "perceptions" .

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mizzer's picture

M!chigan now saying their 2023 team is the "one everybody's been waiting for!" 

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james allen's picture

Gene may have found his Urban in basketball.  If that works out, Gene will be legendary.

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stpetebuck's picture

I was texting “Meyer gets extension” and my evil phone changed it to “Meyer gets extensions”

Calling Barfalomew....,

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Toilrt Paper's picture

The foolish have been predicting a demise for Urban since the first day he signed his first contract. He couldn't/wouldn't make it more than a couple of years. His health wouldn't allow it. He'd want to go back to the easy life of an ESPN analyst. Notre Dame was his dream job not Ohio State. He'd want the new challenge of coaching in the NFL. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

They never watched the interview with his wife Shelley after he signed his contract. The "tell" was..... She said the minute she heard that Tressel had stepped down, she knew they'd be moving to Columbus,. This was before Urban interviewed or said anything to her. AND she LOVED living in Florida.. 

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Chrisjvaz's picture

I’m Reading  in between the lines. Recruiting is great and all but if you are not bringing championships in more than one, because that is the society we live in I mean I like more than one championship every two or three years I can’t lie, then you are not going to get a  Nick Saban contract, but if you are constantly producing championships and, or competing in championships then programs are likely to give you a bigger contract, more money, because you have earned it they don’t care what you do down the line. Need I say not everyone is  Texas A&M  they just took a risk Allah Houston Texans With Brock  Osweiler.  That didn’t work out so great. No Risk no reward I guess. 

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Chrisjvaz's picture

Let me refrase. Yes they care what you do down the line but they’re likely to get into their emotions and make the decision of overpaying you because of fear of you retiring or going somewhere else and the dynasty you have Built ,will fall just because they didn’t give you all the ridiculous amount of money. So let’s say down the line as a head coach now you have this huge contract because of all the success you’ve had in past years eventually you start not coaching up to your standards, or whatever the case maybe but now they have to give you all this ridiculous amount of money because of your contract and guaranteed money.  If that’s not how it works please educate me .

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Chrisjvaz's picture

I see post on here that Gene will be gone before Meyer. That’s where you guys are wrong. Gene is to Smart. He is watching to see what urb can do with all these great recruiting classes and coaching staffs he keeps bringing in. Thats why there are no long term commitments on his end. If Urb keeps bringing championships to The Ohio State University then things keep rolling,  if not it’s only in the nature of the beast for things to change. 

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old grizzled veteran's picture

We are blessed to have such an outstanding MAN as our head football coach !!  All the good & positive things said/written about him are earned and well deserved.  What he does for these young men Off the field is wonderful for their lives in our society.  What he does On the field is a credit to his leadership in selecting great assistant coaches, and to the entire support system at Ohio State, beginning with families of the coaches and players.  He matches with TBDBL as the Best College Football Coach in the Land !  Thank you, Coach Meyer, and Go Bucks !!

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FootstepsFalco's picture

Coach's contract will likely start with a 7 or an 8.  I just hope that the next 6 numbers are 42, 30, and 31... representing the points scored in the first 3 years against Captain Khaki.

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.

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