I want us to be at or near the top with recruiting but I am more concerned with how we fill the 10th coaching position after Coombs’ departure, and who we have in mind if Schiano jumps to the NFL.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
If winning the recruiting crown translates to winning a national title, I’m all for it. If not, it means nothing.
I guess I missed yesterday's newsflash that Ohio State's moved on from Thomas...what happened?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Mentioned it on the recruiting board yesterday, but it sounds like he’s not visiting this weekend and Fickell thinks they are getting him. My guess is that Ohio State wanted him to do prep school for a year and then perhaps enroll in 2019.
Its a long way to the top if you wanna rock 'n roll!
One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.
Says Jack Black.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
I’m with Iowabuck, I didn’t see anything about the staff moving on from Thomas now, which I don’t understand at all. He wouldn’t have decommited from Oklahoma if he felt confident and comfortable that everything was in order to flip to OSU. And there was the 2 hour Sunday visit from Alford that presumably got things rolling.
I hate to say this but I think Thomas is getting screwed over big time and this is on Urban. He tells the kid one thing and gets him all excited, and then says sorry were gonna pass. Not a good look
and now he will most likely choose Cincy? When he was previously committed to Oklahoma.
If I can’t call Brenton Cox a piece of shit for “committing” to Ohio State and then backing out, then you can’t say shit about the coaches. It’s a dance....it’s not always the coaches that get their toes stepped on.
If he had the goods and the grades, he would have been signed already. And as far as ruining his Oklahoma offer, as you presume Urban did for fun, I guess....as a Dad, I’d want my kid close to home where people really care and will watch him. Coach Fick will get him squared away. Oklahoma, without his shit fully together, would put him back in Ohio 18 months from now feeling defeated and discouraged.
I never called anyone a piece of shit or said shit. I simply made the comment that Thomas decommited from Oklahoma for a reason, presumably because OSU was recruiting him again and positive things were said and done for him to to decommit and flip to OSU. And then only a few days later Urban and Co. pull a 180 and back off. Maybe it’s because his grades didn’t end up meeting the requirements, I’m sure we will find out why soon. But right now this isn’t a good look for the staff. That’s all I was saying
“Not a good look”
I believe it was andrew that agreed with someone, It was something along the lines that oklahoma pushed him out of the class because of his grades, and the buckeyes were wanting him to do a year of prep school. He's not wanting to do that.
Speculation. We have no idea what happened between OU and Thomas or what was said by OSU to Thomas. No need to assume anything negative happened by OSU.
Urban threw the whole football program under the bus for one kid and you're just now learning he's dirty?
I don't follow...
This is Buckloving, so he's referencing JT Barrett. I regret that I have but one downvote to give to this notorious threadjacking p.o.s.
"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes
we were told the staff likely has moved on from the in-state three-star.
Why? Why would Thomas decommit from Oklahoma only to end up at UC? Academics? Why would Meyer have an in-state player visit this late in the process and then decide to 'move on'? What did they find out Saturday night that they didn't already know? Was Thomas encouraged to decommit from OU?
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Maybe it went like this: Grades irreparable for even OKY, and/or Thomas really loves OSU and reached out to OSU. UFM tries everything academically but no can do BUT then talks about Eddie George and his path to OSU and tries to sell that during his visit????? While still trying to recruit him with a visit? Thomas probably won't do that but who knows. He is an OHIO kid that probably UFM WAS NOT throwing under the bus but wants him at OSU in this class or next. If Cinci gets him in well then you know thee difference between THEE OSU and other schools in Ohio.
Had a similiar experience with a kid out of an inter-city school in Newark, NJ. years ago Not named. He chose not to go prep school route and went to Colo, St. Became a feared DE at several NFL teams, including the Lions. Most kids at 17-18 will play at a lesser school and not go the prep school route if possible. Like Shelley said: We don't know s--t!!!!
You are exactly right. We don’t know any of the facts here and should not presume what is actually happening behind the scenes. Criticizing UFM about any of this is ridiculous when it’s only based on gossip and speculation.
Adding Campbell would boost the Bulldogs' score from 309.23 to 315.50. He'd be Kirby Smart's seventh five-star signee of the class, which is simply absurd.
I'll admit it, I'm a star watcher and what Kirby Smart is doing with Georgia recruiting is very impressive.
Ohio State has done comparable things but, unlike Georgia, our five stars always seem to get dropped to four stars after they commit to the Buckeyes.
I'm a homer as well, but we have never sniffed 7 five-star kids in one class.
I thought we had 6 or 7 at one time last year and when the new rankings came out we ended up with five. I believe that Josh Myers dropped to a four and I can't remember if Grimes was a five star before he was ultimately dropped to four star status. So saying that we have never sniffed seven is a bit inaccurate.
The crazy thing is that at one point earlier this cycle we were projecting carman, parsons, cook, gill, cox, woodbey, jones... all 5-stars at the time.. but things change and ratings change.. we lost cox, jones and woodbey... carmen, cook and parsons went elsewhere, and gill lost his 5th star.. then we added tyreke johnson as a 4 star, and then he became a five-star.
But the point being that had all the stars aligned we could have landed 7 five-star guys.. but we didn't, and we never have, and what Kirby Smart did is nothing short of amazing.
Four or five of Smart's five star recruits are from Georgia so I wouldn't call what he did "amazing". If Tennessee wasn't such a dumpster fire Mays would have gone there instead of Georgia. They did put together a very nice class but all Smart did was keep his kids home. Now had the majority of those five stars been from out-of-state then the conversation would be different.
It's only gonna get worse. State of Georgia has 15 of the top 100 kids for 2019. Dawgs next class is going to be best of all time (by 247 rankings), I predict.
Man, getting hit with dissapointment before the actual dissapointment. Crootin is like being married apparently /s.
ya know it
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Recruiting Rankings are pretty much like fantasy football. Fun but meaningless. Maybe all of these players will ultimately play and contribute significantly, and I hope that indeed is the case.
As far as UGA, they had the opportunity to compete for #1 on the field. I would rather see Ohio State in that conversation.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
Recruiting rankings are meaningless? Alabama has seven recruiting titles in the last seven years and 5 of the last 9 championships.
the cabbage just goes further
It's only meaningless if you don't care about winning. Any 3-star kid can have a great college career and then go on to be an NFL great, and any 5-star kid can completey shit the bed... but if you look at the aggregate success of any sample-set of blue chippers compared to 3-star kids, you will notice it's pretty important.
It's a great time to be a Buckeye.
The Thomas situation just blows me away. Was it academics that again sunk his ship? Was it his attitude during the last meetings with our staff? Will he recommit to the Sooners or was his decommitment forced by the Oklahoma coaching staff? So many questions that we may never have the answers to in this ongoing saga.
The way I understand it is that Okie ended up changing their mind due to grades. His path to tOSU was likely going to go through Fork Union and he didn't like that idea.
Those who want to blame Meyer need to look at the kids efforts regarding his grades.
Buckeye til I die
That makes the most sense out of everything. The staff probably had the visit with Thomas and realized the grades weren't where they needed to be. The young man doesn't appear to be able to maintain his grades whether it be from his ability or effort.
This is a bummer of an article. Apparently, the OT haul will have to wait for next year. Thanks for starting Super Bowl Sunday off with a dull thud.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
It might be a dull thud, but with the exception of Thomas, not much of a surprise. And as for Thomas, let's face it, RB is not a position of need by any stretch. I am not a recruinik like many of you, but I thought the staff (11W) has been preparing us all along, that the O line haul, including its misses, has been pretty much a done deal.
We may as well throw another log on Super Bowl Downer Day with Kam Williams’ suspension.
With Thomas, my initial thought is he doesn’t have the grades and might go the juco/prep route but mentioning UC as his next most likely destination seems to suggest that’s not a path he wants to follow. I am not ruling Iowa State out. He’s just the kind of 11th hour fish Campbell’s proven he’s adept at reeling in, plus he’s got a solid pipeline into southwestern Ohio, including a verbal from Thomas’s Dunbar teammate, Joseph Scates.
Yep, agreed. Just a downer, that’s all. Still a great class by any standard.
What a bunch of spoiled little bitches you are....We could be UM!! Offering scholarships to fry cooks, Syrian refugees and three legged dogs to fill out our needs. You should take a deep breath and thank God that Georgia isn’t in position to take HALF of our 4 stars on signing day. Yeah, that’s right....Otis Reese...half of Scums four stars. Geez
LOL! I may resemble that remark....
15-1 is SWEET!
A three legged dog?
Yes his name is Larry and UM is recruiting him as a WR.
And he just turned it down to be a preferred walk on at Central Florida
Yes his name is Larry and UM is recruiting him as a WR.
Does WR stand for Wide Retriever?
A hard working - high paid - talented head coach will try his best to improve his situation. Few good choices and fewer great choices are remaining. What's meant to be will be.
Why the hype for #1 ? It is all about building a fantastic football machine.Filling needs....strengthening positions.
I've been asking the same thing for a month now. For some it must be about bragging rights. What good is having a bunch of 5* receivers if your QB can't complete a pass over 15 yards? What good is having a stable full of 5* RB's if you don't have an OL that can open some holes? I would gladly take the #3 recruiting class that fills needs rather the #1 class that has doesn't address areas of need. Last year we signed 3 OL and it looks like we may only have 2 OL in this class. Eventually it is going to come back to be a problem.
without looking at the Bucks current roster, only poor development of the OL players we have will result in any ‘problem’ going forward
Have you taken the time to look at Studrawa's track record? He was the OL coach at LSU for 8 years and managed to get just one OL drafted into the NFL. I wouldn't call that a ringing endorsement of his ability to develop OL, but who knows, maybe he'll have better results here. Could be why Les Miles "asked" him to seek other opportunities
Les eats grass, so ...
Well said re: the OL. Need to address it, and the 2019 class looks like it might. I don’t get too wrapped up in recruiting national championships (that’s Paul Finebaum’s job). But there’s a definite correlation between great classes and results on the field when the talent pool includes the 2- and 3-deep. It’s that strong recruiting and subsequent depth that enable Bama and Clemson (and OSU) to dominate the 4th quarter and reload year after year. Miami, Georgia, and State Penn aren’t far behind. And it’s the reason TTUN starts games strong, and gets mauled by better teams late.
I think Early Signing Day has completely disrupted the form, fashion and flow that everyone (coaches, recruits, and fans) had become accustomed to. Penn State and then Ohio State were out front early but slipped when Southern kids flipped to ACC and SEC schools, UGA surged to the top spot thanks to their Cinderella season, and now Alabama, which was once breathing everyone's dust, is now jockeying for a position in the top 3. Plus juniors can start taking OVs in April prior to their senior year. Coaches are going to have to shift to a changing landscape. I am confident Urban will adjust his strategy as necessary.
Yes, i rabidly desire Ohio State to 'be #1' in everything...
...so i can 'go nuts' in just about anything!
So when our team takes a blow...
I can take a bow.
...from the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"
i can create perfidious division
and in the same breath say GO BUCKS
while my actions show us as a sitting duck.
use of “perfidious” in an 11W thread comment
My mind starts to activate. Rhymes collaborate,
’cause when I heard the beat I just had to make...
Somethin from the top of my head,
So I fell into the groove of the wax, then I said:
”How can I Move the Crowd?”
The Buckeye behind enemy lines...
Aside from landing a great class I am glad Alabama will not land the #1 class again. Even happier that our class will be ranked ahead of theirs.
Just look at this class and last year's class's individual average ratings -- 94+
I will take that every year... Really, being ranked #1 (vs. 2) has little bearing on things... Great work by Urban and his staff both years-- the proof will be on the field the next 2-3 years...
GA is chopping wood...rowing the boat...e+r=0ing...planting the flag...and er backing up the brinks truck...seriously just hope they snag Reese from ttun. Want to Khaki Jesus coach up another 3 * lacrosse, soccer or quidditch player.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
The fact that the Buckeyes will add zero new commitments on NSD II and still finish top 5 just shows how damn good this class is.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
ain’t no big thing
We are thankful for what we have and will gladly watch them win it all.. Go Buckeyes
Mark May is a mental midget
Honestly the Oats and Thomas stuff never made much sense (at least not late in the cycle) considering the kids who have already signed.
Missing on Walker and NPF would sting but it’s not like Ohio State was ever in the lead for either. That would just mean OT and DE will be the priority for the 2019 class.
The good news is that Ohio State is already looking good for several of them for the next class.
A lot of guys looked good for this year too. And last year. Obviously Ohio has a decent crop for 19, but every year we hear the same thing. Christian Kirk, Soso, Brenton cox, parsons, carman, etc.
Great classes back to back but some huge misses.
The author of the article is not looking at this from the proper perspective. 'Chargerbuck' has it right. Ohio State won the recruiting ranking Last year, and will win it again this year, by securing the highest Composite Average Per Recruit Rating in the History of the Rankings. Last year, Ohio State made History by being the only class to have an Average Recruit Rating exceeding 94.00 (with at least 20 recruits in the class), and they will repeat the feat again this year:
1) Ohio State 94.59
2) Bama 93.76
3) Georgia 92.27
1) Ohio State 94.18
2) Georgia 93.83
3) Clemson 93.07
4) Bama 92.91
Quality over Quantity...
Huh? I am citing the team rankings aka the thing that everyone looks at when it comes to recruiting. Obviously Ohio State has an amazing class and the average rating per player is really really good. But that doesn't change the fact that they are unlikely to capture the No. 1 spot in the team rankings.
1) Trying to discern which class was was better last year, OSU's or Bama's, is silly. They were very similar in strength and miles ahead of 3rd place. Same for OSU and UGA this year.
2) You can't both say "Bama only got a better class score because they took more guys" AND "OSU had a much higher average". Bama took 29 while OSU took 21. But If you calculate the average for Bama's top 21 guys, it will be pretty close to OSU's. If they had just cut those other 8 guys loose, they may have had a higher average.
2) you can't just cut the lowest 8 from bama's class. That's not how "average" works.
They could have actually not taken them in the class, not "cut" for the purpose of averaging. The larger point being, the reason their average is lower is the same as the reason their score is higher.
No it isn't.
If it were apples to apples you would remove the top 4 and the bottom 4 from bama's class to get a proper average comparison.
downvoting me doesn't make you right.
Specifically to your point about assessing their class via average: a recruiting class isn't a "random" sample (sample from a from a probability distribution) because Bama is free to accept or not accept every "point" by accepting or not accepting his LOI. It's not like any of the top 21 guys' commitments were contingent on any of the bottom 8.
To the larger point of whether their class is better or worse than OSU's: you can think of it as Alabama's class being OSU's class, plus 8 low-rated guys. Those 8 guys don't make the class much stronger, but they definitely don't weaken it.
I have been beating the drum recently of quality AND quantity is what makes a class elite.
The way I look at it, you have two classes...I will not use the 100.00 pt 247 system for simplicity.
Class A) 17 recruits. 4 five stars, 13 four stars. Average of 4.23 per player.
Class B) 25 recruits. 5 five stars, 20 four stars. Avg. of 4.2 per player.
To me, despite the higher average of Class A), class B is the better class. Saying quality over quantity is absolutely ridiculous in this scenario...hypothetical class B has plenty of quality, it has 8 more players in the top 250 or so in America.
It's just my opinion of course, but is laughable to me that some people think the very small difference in average (quality LOL) supercedes the fact that Class B got 7 more elite players and stocked their roster with top 300 players. But whatever.
Now if you are comparing a class of 25 with a decent amount of 2 and 3 stars to a class with with a very high average, than I ca see. Just not when you are splitting hairs with fractions of points.
Does anyone know or can they figure out how many national championships Ohio St would have if we used the same criteria that Alabama does? Bama may not use any criteria at all, as i read they claimed a title in a year where they finished 20th and had 2 losses and the actual national champion was either undefeated or had only 1 loss. Why dont we claim more titles? I know we could probably claim 1899, 192_?, 1944, 1973, 1975, 1979, 1996,1998, 2012, 2015, and perhaps others. why dont we all play on a level playing field in this area so everyone knows who has the most titles? david boles