When Nebraska fans start chuckling at your QB coach hire, you probably should start wondering what the Beck was I thinking?
True. But then again, Arkansas fans couldn't stop laughing about the Chris Ash hire as well.
I do think Urban had a bit more time to evaluate and study Ash. I don't want to say that Beck was a rush job, but I do think that he leaned heavily on Ed to choose someone that he was comfortable working with.
Ash was well known to Meyer, Beck was not. Ash's D at Wisconsin made things tough for the Buckeye O, and Meyer and Co. took notice. If things didn't work out at Ark, that might have been to the soft D those Ark players were already used to playing. When Ash came to OSU, the Buckeyes were not playing soft, and fell right in line with his style.
So Beck was an unknown (relatively) ... but I'm not sure what Meyer's excuse for Bill Davis would be. Davis was Meyer's "Best Man" and one of his closest friends. Meyer, in the past, has not hired good friends because of this very reason ... it makes it harder to fire your friends ... which is exactly what I wish he'd do with Davis. The Buckeyes used to be "LB U" ... taking that title from Penn State. No way OSU can say we're "LB U" now ... even though Meyer brings in 4 and 5 start talent.
I agree Cowbuck. That chuckling noise was immediate from Nebraska fans I work with. BUT as Kevin stated in the article, he did bring us Haskins and Martell - and maybe that was the logic behind the strange co-offensive coordinating scheme which at times resembled the wizard behind the curtain (who developed the game plan ? Who called the plays ?) Didn’t mattter - maybe Beck was here to recruit.
i’ve been As critical as anyone of Meyer’s overly predictive game planning and running the qb into the brick wall over and over. BUT( again with the but), he is one hell of a recruiter of assistants and players.
Yep, all great points. The promotion of Ed Warriner, the hiring of his coaching buddy Beck mixed in with Urban's desire to keep his hand strongly involved in the offense made for strange bedfellows. It certainly didn't work out like we all had hoped for the 2015/16 seasons.
That's why Herman got him, it was for one reason and one reason only... recruiting. He'll be gone as soon as Herman feels he's reestablished UT as #1 in the pecking order for recruits out of Texas.
There's no excuse for us hiring him though. We already had a championship roster in '15, and making him OC costed us in the end.
This Kerry Coombs story just doesn't feel right. No press release from the Titans, tOSU, or Coombs himself.
And the story comes from Pete Thamel who has a history of loving the scoop more than the hard facts. (see link below) I don't doubt that Vrabel has offered the job to Coombs, and Coombs may have been open to taking it. But until the deal is signed, sealed, and delivered - it is fair game to be blown out of the water by Meyer and his people. Just wishful thinking on my part? Maybe. Hope not.
Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season
Just looked at Coach Coombs Twitter account. It's been silent since Jan 22. No news is good news?
and still says Ohio State assistant football coach.
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye
i guess if you say "per report" or something along those lines in an article then it must be true my per report says he's staying i'm not saying that just my source of "per report"
Something about the Kerry Coombs departure seems a bit off. It's been five or six days now since the news was first reported, but there has been no confirmation from Coombs, Vrabel, or Ohio State. That just seems a little bit odd, and I'm wondering if it has anything to do with Meyer being blindsided? I'm also wondering if Coombs' decision to leave might have been because he felt as though he had reached his ceiling at Ohio State. It's funny... I thought he'd be on Meyer's staff for as long as there was a Meyer staff to be on.
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If you ask me, this is all about $$$. How do you think Coombs felt when Alex Grinch was hired at almost twice the money that Coombs was making??? $800k vs. $450k... I really think this is what it is all about-- I still can't see Coombs style in the pros, and to think he would leave Ohio at this point?
There really might be something to his staying at OSU... Stay tuned.
how 'likely' is "all about"? Nobody nose.
$ issue plausible. So is 'hair on fire' style in pros.
Some in the ranks [players and coaches] may be 'speaking their minds'
Hopefully Davis can do a much better job in the future. The linbacking play last year was dismal at best. Problem is how do you fire the the best man in your wedding if he doesn’t work out? Kind a tricky spot to be in for Meyer, but that is why he gets the big bucks I guess!
Must be a helluva man to be the best man at the Meyer's wedding. I'm hearing the rumblings, but I'm not convinced that the LB's will be a problem position group in '18.
this 'friend' that's 'not a friend' be cause i don't like to hire my friends...
is a tad misspoken unrecalled narrating....
I have hope due to the LB play in the Cotton Bowl which was near perfect. We can't forget how the DBs improved from one of the worst units in the entire country in September, to one of the best in December.
Good point. I had the same concerns about studrawa and the oline. But they solidified nicely this year.
In addition to the often mentioned fact that he was Meyer's best man, Bill Davis has managed to pick up a little bit of coaching experience since the wedding:
A 24-year NFL assistant, Davis’s resume includes defensive coordinator positions with Arizona (2009-10) and San Francisco (2005-06) in addition to his three seasons with the Eagles. He has also coached linebackers for eight seasons in the National Football League(NFL)
Combs was at a Senior Bowl practice, which he would not have been if he still was on the OSU staff.
Gus Malzahn was at the Senior Bowl. So, I doubt there is any restriction against Coombs being there.
So, maybe Coombs played hookey for a couple days. I'm sure it will be a non-issue as long Meyer can convince Coombs to stay.
I think the big thing in replacing Coombs will be on the recruiting trails, though not to diminish his impact on the field. It may take some time, but hopeful Grinch can fill voids there,
Some disappointments, but all in all UFM has fortified his coaching tree in Columbus.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Larry Johnson was an outstanding hire ... maybe Meyer's best. Grinch might be the next. His aggressive style is just what we need. "We dictate to you ... we don't wait and react and let you dictate to us." Grinch's "young blood" and energy will also be needed on an aging coaching staff, and should help big time in replacing the loss of Coombs.
... maybe Meyer's best. Grinch might be the next.
Technically correct, but...
My heart wants to agree with you, and I hope to hell it works out that way. However, my brains says Grinch hasn't proven a thing at this level yet.
Doing pretty good (average nationally, but much better than they are used to seeing) with less in Pullman, against WSU's schedules is a far, far different thing than kicking-ass and taking names at OSU. Here, every team we play has us in the crosshairs as a "long-term showcase win" if they can beat us. Plus, at least 2-3 of our games every year will be better teams than he faced at WSU this year. And finally, every fan EXPECTS our defense to be a brick wall...at Pullman fans were like "wow, I didn't know it was legal to play defense."
Let's hope for the best and expect it to work out. However, imho it's a bit early to say he may be Meyer's next great hire.
I think you’re underselling his impact there a bit. Leach runs a crazy version of the air raid. The defense is on the field a ton. Washington st might be the 6th best program in the pac12 and doesn’t really have a fertile recruiting ground so his players aren’t the best. The pac 12 probably more than any other league has so many different styles of offense to play against. Pretty much the gamut without the triple option. And if i remember correctly, ash’s defenses at other stops weren’t setting the world on fire. Wisconsin hovered in the 30s and Arkansas was near 60 in total defense and pts. I’m too lazy right now to do more digging into advanced stats, but he worked out fine.
I agree it's premature to say Grinch is the next great hire, but to say he hasn't proven a thing is inaccurate. He literally turned shit into gold at WSU, as their defense was naught short of abysmal before his arrival, and they were 16th out of 129 last season with a bunch of no-names and rejects, and a head coach who focuses almost solely on offense. He's proven to be a bright young mind.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
Some great guys added to the Buckeyes staff. Well done. I was very anti Beck but now wonder if his hands were tied.
Careful with that Wilson and Day duo because if allowed to do their jobs entirely, new standards will be set and all fans will be pleasantly surprised.
As of now, Haskins and Martell aren't worth the national championships Tim Beck cost us the last 3 seasons. In fact, I argue that if the offense hadn't been trying to recover from his bad deeds and, and had won just one of those national titles, we'd have gotten them to come here anyway.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Beck did not cost us the loss vs. Sparty in 2015. Meyer rolled the dice that his D would win the game in the rain vs. a back up quarterback and he lost the bet....with a group of players whom he enabled to feel entitled. Do you really think that Beck and Warriner could have over-ruled Meyer that night even if they wanted to? The idea is almost laughable.
In 2016, Tom Brady could have been the QB in the Clemson game and we still would not have won.
I am glad that Beck moved on as well, but your laying "lost natty's" solely at his feet....is so far over the top, I am almost kicking myself for taking the bait and responding. C'mon dude.
In 2016, Tom Brady could have been the QB in the Clemson game and we still would not have won.
Clemson's D wasn't that great in '16. They had 5 wins by 6 points or less ( Troy, NC State, Aub, L'ville, FL St) and lost to an 8 and 5 Pitt team.
Barrett had 2 picks, and ran the ball 11 times for minus 2 yards (more carries than Samuel or Weber - who combined for 91 yards). Brady (or any other solid passing QB} would have picked that Clemson D apart. The Clemson humiliation is why Meyer hired Wilson and Day.
The Buckeyes will look very different on the offense in 2018. I don't see anyone coming close to stopping the '18 Buckeye offense.
Gotta say I’m with you on this.
With ya brother.
Take away his ineptitude as an in game coach and as a play caller. J.T. was the starter for 4 seasons here, his two worst were by far with this chump as his QB coach and offensive coordinator.
It's interesting you laugh at me blaming Beck when you're more than willing to blame Meyer on sheer speculation, supported with no facts. How did Meyer enable them to be entitled? The reason he kept things vanilla with those two calling the shots was because he didn't trust them.
And don't get me started on Tom "I owe all my rings to Bill, and to cheating" Brady.
Fuck Tom Brady.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing - it's what this forum is for, crumb. Meyer was the common thread between Beck, Warriner, Wilson and Day. And we can agree that over time, he did not trust Beck and Warriner. The same accusations of JT being a stat padder against weak teams and ineffective against good teams has been the albatross he has had to bear for the past 3 seasons, or at least for the recent two -- with 2 different OCs and QB coaches. And many among us would say that his game this year at Iowa was his worst, but hey, let's not quibble over details.
And yes, even players on the 2015 team at season's end had intimated in interviews that the team had lost its focus. I don't need to recite chapter and verse. That it sent a near record of players to the NFL while sleep walking to its victories and losing to Sparty was proof of it. Hey, you choose to believe what you want and we'll shake hands and part company. But it isn't "my opinion without facts" that suggests Meyer enabled an atmosphere of entitlement that year....it was damn near common knowledge that that team was all about getting its touches and auditioning for the NFL until the Michigan game. That much was obvious.
Yeah, the trust thing is huge for Urban, he trust Herman, didn't Beck or Warriner and the jury is still out about Day and Wilson. And we'll agree to disagree about the 2015 squad losing focus or sleep walking. The fact that they didn't struggle on defense but did on offense is something that I think lends more credence to the offensive coaches being the problem, but to each their own. Cheers.
all this and then some
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Urban changed the entire Big Ten recruiting landscape since his arrival. Jim Tressel repaired "the fence" around Ohio first. UMeyer opened more "opportunity gates" into Ohio! Both recognized the greater value of greater talent is more fun to coach!
Coombs' replacement will be a STRONG RECRUITER and a competent technician/coach who will have to relate to his players and fellow coaches.
Larry Johnson was a BRILLIANT hire. PSU was in a tailspin at the time and Urban recognized it. It has worked very well for OSU and not so well for PSU (whose fans will still deny that). He was PSU's best coach/recruiter when he migrated to OHIO.
Thank you for posting this. There’s been 4 or 5 top teams since the cfp started. And urbs’ buckeyes Are one of them.
Huh, wazzat ..... uh, wake me up once Coach Coombs has packed his bags and is on his way to the Titans, otherwise, put in a wake up call for Spring ball ...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
TIM BECK – 2015
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Then the man with the highest IQ in the history of organized sports hires Beck to be his OC at Texas.