I like the Marcus Freeman idea - if you can't #HireFickell, why not hire Fickell's DC
Big shoes to fill
Careful what you wish for, Freeman's defense at Purdue and UC have been terrible. They ranked 94th i both Total D and scoring D last year in the Queen city
I hear you, but here he would be an assistant coach as opposed to DC.
With a slightly different level of talent to work with
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
Not if it means we will have to endure #FireFickell'sDC threads.
That's a good list. Of course, as you said, we could hire some no-name that nobody expected like we did Tom Herman. HUGE shoes to fill for whoever it is though.
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First thought was who is Kentucky's DB coach given their familiarity with regional talent but on field production matters.
Second thought was Notre Dame's DB coach (Todd Lyght) But he went to ND so it might be hard to lure away, then again we have had success with ND coaches stepping in.
The offseason is the longest season.
Third thought...Kentucky sucks and their secondary really sucks.
Great list. We know that Urban will hire well and Ohio State's defense will be in good hands.
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Campanile, please and thank you
If I'm Urban I'm thinking about hiring Clay Mack the DB technician out of Texas who trained Okudah, Anthony Cook dozens others and who Marshon Lattimore trains with. Dude has the pulse on Texas DB talent.
— jbook (@jbook37) January 24, 2018
Shelley Meyer retweeted this.
I like to picture Shelley sitting next to Urban on the couch or together at lunch whenever she tweets/retweets about Buckeye news.
That is interesting b/c we could have Grinch D-Coordinator/DB coach and have Clay Mack as a pure DB coach.
Meyer may want a DB/ D-Coordinator to replace Schiano, since I think he is gone. They may just make Davis a co-coordinator though.
Saw that yesterday and count me in as intrigued
Shelley has been pretty keyed in on the news for this position. Maybe she should be the CB coach.
I'm with Shelley on this one. I like what Clay Mack brings to the table and can help us recruit Texas, which has gotten significantly more difficult in the past year. I just think they need a guy that brings the passion that Coombs had every practice. I loved watching his fire on the sideline!
I also wouldn't mind getting some help with those LBs. We have the athletes and the talent, but the fundamentals and the scheme needs improvement.
Urban may end up having to make two hires if Schiano leaves to join New England, as some expect. He and Belichik are close. I have plenty of confidence that UFM will make a high quality hire, but personally, I still want a full time ST coach. It's been a sore spot for too long, especially given the talent that's brought in year after year. Lack of talent or depth is no excuse for ST being an ongoing problem.
The way BB has been talking about Schiano, the fact that the Patriots have drafted so many of Schiano's players, and I think GS realizes that he is not going to get a blueblood college head coaching job means that he is gone
I think GS realizes that he is not going to get a blueblood college head coaching job
Don't be silly
Shandy is not beer
Hiring a special teams guru would be nice but Urban has not requested my input.
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What about Ditka? Asking for a friend.
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I say give Antoine Winfield a call. One of the best I've seen do it. If he can teach whatever techniques he used while playing I'm pretty sure DBs from around the country would line up for that.
I think his son is at Minnesota
Winfield has not coached anyone anywhere, simply being a good player is zero guarantee he will be a good coach and besides he has been out of the game for over 5 years now as as noted his son is playing in Minnesota
Winfield while undersized at 5'11" was probably the most technically sound CB I have ever seen especially tackling. I bet he's a pretty good coach. Especially given that he holds youth camps in Ohio that teaches technique of tackling and playing that emphasizes safety. He is still a part of Heads Up football in the Houston area.
I don't know what his son playing for Minnesota would have to do with him at Ohio State. See Ed Warriner. He's a TTUN while his son is at MSU. Just a thought.
Maybe he doesn't want to put in the effort. There is more to it than knowing technique.
His son playing for Minnesota is not a guarantee, but it is doubtful. Coaching is not his job like Warinner
Enon, I get where you're coming from, and believe me, any true OSU fan loves Winfield. But IF Winfield is trying to become a coach, he will have to pay his dues and climb the ranks, not be thrust into a role as vital as a top assistant/coordinator at OSU. There's no way to know not only what type of coach he would be, but also what type of recruiter he would be. I'd love to see him at OSU eventually, but not now, and certainly not filling the shoes of somebody like Coombs.
You’re right, CTB. It’s like the people who wanted to hire Chris Spielman when Tressel got the head coaching job. OSU is not the destination for first time coaches, no matter how accomplished or popular as players.
His son was involved-not a primary participant, apparently-but named-in that whole gang rape scandal last year at Minny. Not sure if he is still w/ the Gophers.
it's funny - people don't think winfield taught his teammates his techniques and how to play and study opponents? yes, he's lacking some in the recruiting aspect, but when you play and have an inside view of what it takes, i think that does nothing but help. of course, if you have all the physical traits, then it may be harder to teach, but you're talking about a 5'9" (i know the books say something else), 180 pound (soaking wet) DB who time and time went against the best freaks and held his own? I'd be picking his brain.
I am just not in favor of experimenting with Winfield, he may be great like Vrabel was or a bust like Speilman was as a coach.
When Vrabel got hired we were in a big pinch. Tressel had been fired in May, most teams had spots filled, we promoted an interim HC and needed a guy and we fell into Vrabel being available due to his retirement.
Sports is littered with great players who were not great coaches, Wayne Gretzky coached the Phoenix Coyotes for 4 years and never made the playoffs
Isiah Thomas in the NBA, Magic Johnson, Bart Starr, Ted Williams in baseball
Mike Singletary, Herm Edwards (still dont understand why ASU hired this loser), Jack Del Rio (12 years as a HC never won a division, under .500 in 6 of his 12 years), Mike Munchak,
none of this means he "cant" be a great coach, but this is OSU and we shouldn't as a rule hire guys with zero coaching experience.
Also Winfield has 1 son playing at Minny and 2 in HS in Texas until 2019. With the hours demanded of a college coach and the fact that his 2 younger sons would need to be uprooted from one of the best HS football programs in TX (The Woodlands HS in suburban Houston), to Ohio, he is currently unlikely to make that commitment, especially when he is likely a multi-millionaire. Maybe after his 2 younger sons get to college in 2020 he would look to spend that kind of time, but now when his sons are Juniors in HS seems unlikely.
agree with everything you say.
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Thurin!!! Getting some love.
You forgot to mention Dick LeBeau...
Should be: You forgot to mention Dick LeBeau
...more affordable rate....as if the money mattered
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
We'll take him back after Vrable gets fired in 2 years.
Getting Martin would be big in opening recruiting roads in California though Capanile has future Defensive Coordinator/head coach written all over him. Praying we dont get an Everett Withers repeat. :(
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DB coach from Baylor? I'll eat my shoe if that happens.
We'll need pics. ;)
What's bad about that? Seems like a good recruiter for the state of Texas, and has no affiliation with what happened at Baylor.
Have you ever seen Baylors defense?
Fran Brown has been at Baylor for one year, on a coaching staff that has the task of cleaning up a huge mess left behind by Baylor's previous coaching staff. In 2016, his final year at Temple, the Owls ranked third in the nation in passing defense.
Dan don't confuse him wth facts.
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I don't think coaching at Temple and Baylor prepare you for replacing Kerry Coombs.
How is that different from coaching at Cincinnati (Coombs) or Iowa State (Tom Herman), just for a couple examples, before coming to Ohio State? I understand your thought process, but looking only at what school someone currently coaches at to determine whether he is qualified to coach at Ohio State is overly simplistic.
I'm not only looking at where someone coaches, those are very different scenarios and overly simplistic.. Herman was brought in as OC, where he had a proven track record of success and ran a similar system that Urban was looking for. You can't really use Coombs coaching at UC as an example because Coombs has too many other qualities besides his coaching that make him special and I'm sure some of those was why Urban hired him. Yes Baylor was a mess, but even semi-competent coaching gets you a better record than 1-11. I think Urban will do better.
That pass rating sometimes is due to a horrible run defense, but that isn't the case with the 2016 Temple squad. They ranked #24 in Rush defense that season giving the pass defense legitimacy vs the AAC schedule.
#24 - Temple (AAC) Games: 14 Record: 10-4, Opponent Attempts: 470, Opponent Yards: 1,790, AVG Per Attempt: 3.81, Opponent TDs Allowed: 16, Opponent Avg YPG: 127.9
"Have you ever seen Baylors defense?"
No. Has anyone?
Richard Mc Nutt, DB coach at NC State might be worth an interview....yes, this Richard McNutt....... https://www.thelantern.com/2002/10/mcnutt-campaign-ends/
Edit-McNutt is now at Youngstown State, not NC State
Pat Surtain Sr ? Bring your son with you. Straight out of the Harbaugh playbook.
As a Dolphin and Buckeye fan, I'm A-OK with this move.
I went into that write up excited to learn about some new names. After reading it, all I have stuck in my head now is this paragraph.....
"Freeman would give the Buckeyes a former Ohio State player on their full-time coaching staff – something they haven’t had since Fickell’s departure last year – and another linebackers coach who could help Bill Davis, whose unit had a disappointing 2017 season in his first year as linebackers coach, get his position group back to the level at which it previously performed under Fickell."
If your LB coach needs help from someone that literally just began his coaching career, please show your LB to the fucking door, pronto!!
Just glad to see Lane Kiffin wasnt a choice.
A-I hope Davis stays as LB coach-he worked out the kinks at the end of the year
B-If tOSU LBs coached by Freeman tackled like he did at tOSU-we would all be having a fit on here..........
I'd pass on Freeman based on production/results. Being a former player here doesn't trump his track record (albeit a short one).
Promoting Thurin would likely come at a more affordable rate
Being affordable should play zero part in this, imo. Ohio State has buckets of money so go get the best you can get... and neither Freeman nor Thurin would seem to fit the bill.
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IMO, Ramzy should give some of the younger staff writers a crash course in the real on field careers of former Buckeyes.
Urban should hire Ohio native Charles Woodson... mgoblog would have to shut down commenting...
oh my goodness, that would be so awesome!!
I wish I knew how to give you 100 helmet stickers!
this latest article is still only saying Coombs REPORTED departure ,,,still nothing official
So you're saying there is a chance!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
He was seen at a media event or something with Vrabel wearing Titan blue. He gone.
He was at the senior bowl with Vrabel yesterday. I saw the two of them on the NFL network broadcast of senior bowl practice.
I heard he was 110% committed to Ohio State ...
Trust me! I'm an Engineer.
I'm gonna start a rumor that Kerry knew about the PSU scandal from the very beginning. But he wasn't there you say? Shut the fuck up and let me drag his name so we can keep him.
I will not believe reports of Coombs' departure until he, Meyer, or Gene Smith confirms.
Isn't Jon Tenuta down in Cincinnati? He isn't a young buck, but he was pretty good for us in the nineties.
Thats what I am saying. He has done a helluva job everywhere with DBs. Old enough to not want another HC gig and has area connections. And has coached for Buckeyes before...and done a great job. Top it off...born in Columbus.
IIRC (and without googling) Abdul Rahim was on Sabans staff as well, and was his ace recruiter for the DMV area. I like that pick.
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You remember correctly, JK.
ace recruiter for the DMV area
Department of Motor Vehicles?
Duh...didn’t you see all those cars the Tide players are driving?
Yup, this is true-and I agree w/ him for the recruiting angle. Same thing for Campanile tho-North Jersey is another key area.
I don’t know how he is as a coach, but I remember Abdul-Rahim from Alabama when he recruited Terrell Hall away from OSU. He did good for them in the DC area...until they “swapped” him for Locksley with MD.
How good a coach is AAR (nickname)?
He's so good pros seek him out to train.
He founded "Cover One". Its a defensive back "skills academy".
"Shout Out to Stef for starting it. We're going to finish it....."
Still think to make the coaching staff better across the board...
Let Schiano and Grinch run the DBs
Move Smith to special teams coach
Bring in Hartline full time or as others have suggested reach out to Darrell Hazell to come back and coach WRs...
You don't miss a beat and with Schiano and Grinch there's no real need to go get someone for this season to work with DBs.
Special teams needs a coach and WR coach needs an upgrade. You keep Smith in the fold for recruiting and take Urban off of special teams completely since you have someone dedicated to that group.
Win.... win..... win...
I like this idea a lot! Maybe having a full time ST Coach would help with some of the struggles in that area! Plus, I’ve heard nothing but good things about Hartline, perhaps he’s earned a shot at a full time position!
We will fight to the end for OH-IO!
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Not that he played DB, but has Chris Spielman ever thought of coaching? He seems like a good motivator and is a Buckeye. Pretty sure if his neck wasn't jacked up, he'd still be playing.
Spielman was a HC for 1 year in the arena league and went 2-14 back in 2005, no thanks
Head coach is one thing, but think he would do well in an assistant role.
I would love to see him get our LBs back in order, they would probably be nasty and one of them would get ejected for targeting every game though. I love Spielman's commentating, a guy could get decapitated and Spiels would be like "That was a good clean hit, let's just put flags on everyone and get it over with"
Stop abandoning the running backs.
I am guessing his lawsuit would sour any current college coaching opportunities.
Dan, thorougly enjoyed your descriptions of some candidates and thoughts on how UFM might 'see' how they 'fit' into his staff. Timely too!
Anthony Campanile, as Urban once said: "If we are keeping score (ranking) then we want to win."
In checking out Mr Campaniles Twitter Birmingham and Buckeye News both just recently followed. More telling is he just started following coaches Shiano and Day, and players Haskins, Boss, Jordan Fuller, Jake Hausman, Marcus Hooker, Victor, plus a half a dozen more.
Sounds like something worth paying attention to.
Promote Ryan Crow. Problem solved.
What's Chris Gamble up to these days?
Noon games suck
He could coach DBs AND WRs.
He would of been a hell of an H back.
I believe he is living comfortably in his retirement in Charlotte. He was noted for being very good with his money as a player and seems to have no interest in coaching, been away from the game for nearly 5 years now
Does anyone know if Urban has even reached out to anyone? That would let us know what direction he is going in.
Alex Grinch is the obvious choice to replace Kerry Combs. Urban really needs to find a replacement for "Bill Davis" to coach & recruit Linebackers. Davis is the weakest link on the coaching staff. If he wasn't Urbs personal friend he would have been released after this past season.
Smith is a real close second. Laurinaitis all day...
" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "
Bo Pelini ... should be on list.
Or his cat.
I vote for either Pellini's cat of Mr. Bigglesworth, cause "it's frickin' freezing outside".
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but that bridge is burned beyond repair.
I drink red bull, wonder if that makes me qualified?
What’s Bob Stoops up to?
5 feet, 11 inches...
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Impressive list. I really like the first 3 or 4. Gets progressively weaker then. The new guy is perfect for DB' s. I hope letting Grinch do that while hiring the best Special teams coach would be so smart.
Seriously need improvement there.
Can't really pursue this until you know for sure the Pats (or somebody else in the league) don't poach Schiano. Sure as hell can't pick a nono-DB coach until that is known.
Bring back Taver Johnson...
Also think a lot could depend on what Schiano does or does not do...if Schiano gets a NFL gig...I could see Meyer going for an experienced DC to pair with Grinch
If Schiano STAYS, who knows what he could do with the 10th position...could be looking for the best available coach and figure out where to put him later...
Divide the WRs into "Inside" and "Outside"
Another OL coach to coach "Tackles" and Stud work with "Guards and Centers"
May not have to be a defensive guy if Schiano stays
I am not sold on needing a DB coach given Grinch background
I would prefer and FT Special Teams coach who may also cover something else
we went years with only 4 defensive assistants and had great units under Tressel.
As for SpT coaches, Sean Snyder from KSU tops my list, he is Bill Snyder's son and KSU has ranked in the top 10 in SpT's almost every year he has been there,,,biggest issue us getting to here as he is considered by some to be HC in waiting at KSU. They ranked #1 again this year. he was an All American Punter himself and was a kicker in HS
2nd would be James Shibest at Va Tech, 17 years experience in SpT coaching, has also coached TE's and WR's in his career, he has continued the Hokies long running special teams success.
3rd - Dean Hood at Kentucky - been ranked in top 10 in special teams 2 years in a row, he is from Ashtabula, played at Ohio Wesleyan, was a HC at Eastern Kentucky where he went 55-38 and went to the 1AA playoffs 3 times in 8 years, and has coached LBs, DBs and been a DC before as well. A little older at 54 but far from over the hill. Was the DC at Wake when they won the ACC title in 2006 and also coached DBs at Ohio U under Jim Grobe
I think those are all solid choices, especially Snyder. Biggest question with Snyder, of course (and as you hinted at), is whether he'd have any interest in leaving his dad's staff, and a school where he could be the next head coach, to take a similar position to what he has now at Ohio State – my guess would be no, which is why I didn't include him.
Another name to throw out there is bring back Tim Hinton from his staff role.
He could take over WR's and let Zach Smith move to Special teams.
Ryan Donnelly, the new recruiting guy at land of 10 said he’s been hearing rumors of renaldo hill coming in. I’d be ok with that. Played at MSU so he can recruit up north and could help in Pitt where it’s ridiculously hard to pull local kids away. See: Whitehead, jordan
Hope not. They've been 106 and 127 the last 2 years in passing defense
Also, not sure how accurate this is but I would have expected better recruiting.
I am for Dick Lebeau, he is a life sportsman, and a hell of a teacher, I cannot imagine the heights he could bring to Ohio State Football, and all who know him know if he does not coach he will parish...... and if not OH WELL it's been a lot of years now since tOSU's last losing season...........
With the new rule allowing for a tenth assistant coach, is Ohio State obligated to choose a tenth coach or does the staff have the right to remain at nine? If Ohio State has the option of not selecting one more coach I don't honestly see the need to hire immediately. For starters a new hire is not really going to do anything to help with this recruiting cycle as it is. With Alex Grinch in the fold for Meyer and the staff, we virtually have everything we need coaching wise on defense with Greg Schiano, the aforementioned Grinch and Larry Johnson. We know Urban prides himself in developing the special teams unit so I'm not so sure the Buckeyes need any help on that front. If the Buckeyes can get a slam dunk hire for the upcoming season (which has not been difficult to find in the past) than by all means go for it, personally I just don't see the need in having to choose a guy right now. Of course this is simply my opinion and any comments would be especially welcomed. Personally I'd like to learn more about this situation if I could!
"Cause I couldn't go for three"
I would say just from a recruiting standpoint for 2019 and beyond which have already started, why would you want to short hand yourself and go with only 9 guys who can recruit when everyone else has 10???
Find the right guy and hire him, my preference is a special team coach who may can help elsewhere.
That is true, more coaches for recruiting the better, I didn't think about that. Who would you like to see picked up by Ohio State? Also, do you know if teams have to hire ten coaches with the new rule or do programs have the option? Just out of curiosity. Go Bucks!
There's no requirement for schools to hire a 10th coach – a school could have only eight coaches if it wanted to – but every school will. Like Jpf said, the No. 1 reason why every school will have 10 full-time assistant coaches – and fill their openings as quickly as possible – is for recruiting purposes, as it gives each school another coach who can go out on the road and directly recruit players. That's the big reason why Alex Grinch was hired before it was even determined (and is still to be determined) what his exact role will be.
From Urban Meyer's perspective, I would think he is much more concerned about hiring the best coaches he possibly can than about how exactly their roles will be divided up. Assistant coaches' responsibilities go well beyond just coaching their respective position groups on the field, so there's plenty of work to go around for everyone, no question about that. Having the coaches that they have in place affords them to take a little extra time if they need it to make sure they hire the best coach they can get. But they're not going to intentionally wait on hiring another coach any longer than they need to, because the quicker that coach can get to work on the recruiting trail and preparing for spring football, the better.
Corey Dennis, current GA, current Son in Law, current father of Urbans grandson. With family such a high priority to the Meyer clan, my money is on a permanent position opening up.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???
Let's hire Dan Mullen. We've already stolen away one Florida HC.
Just hire the best damn recruiter you can find, and call it a day.
P.S. Candidate must use redbull in wheaties.
The lord of brevity.