Ohio State Promotes Ryan Day to Offensive Coordinator, Will Reportedly Call Plays

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Nutinpa's picture

I am not so sure.  You can only have one chef.  This will be interesting. 

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flying-banana's picture

What could go wrong? The offense was prolific under OC's Beck and Warriner!

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DarrylJenks's picture

This is all about Urban, maybe he is finally letting go of the offense?  If you think about it, he no longer has "his guy" in the QB spot.  Maybe this is a sign that we are breaking out of our mold with new names in the fold.

Darr

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I hope you're right, Darryl. Let's see how it plays out.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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stxbuck's picture

It's about the opposite-Urban putting "his' guy in as co-OC w/ Wilson, to check whatever calls for scheme change might come as a result of Wilson's presence on the staff.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Please provide proof that Meyer has this stranglehold on the offense.  People repeat this as if it simply a fact and I would like to know the source.  Thank you in advance.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

It was talked about several times in 2015. The Buckeyes kept wanting to play with tempo but Beck (in the booth) would relay a possible play to Warinner and if Warinner liked the call, the play would be relayed to Coach Meyer for final approval. It was really crazy but Coach Meyer held the "right of first refusal" on any play that was called. They finally put Warinner in the booth with Beck after the MSU loss and cut out one of the steps, which helped speed up the tempo of the offense against TTUN and Notre Dame.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I remember back in 2013 that Meyer said that key plays would be run by him.  For example, he made the call on the qb sweep where Braxton was stopped.  I follow this VERY closely and do NOT recall in 2015 where it was said that this was a regular course of action.  I know you are probably not inclined to hunt anything down, but at this point, I am not accepting someone's summary of what they remember without a link.  Instead, what I think is going on is that people are speculating this because they need a scapegoat when things don't work (and they have decided it is a guy that won a title with Chris Leak at qb and with a third string qb that has about a handful of college wins under his belt as the starting qb).  And even if that were true, does that mean it was going on in 2016 and 2017 (could it be that he just didn't trust Beck and Warriner)?  I also do NOT think it is odd that a portion of the plays would be run by the head coach, think it happens all the time.  Bur if I am wrong, please show me, open to considering actual information.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Nutinpa's picture

I agree /s.   And yes, I felt the need to be redundant in my sarcasm fonts.

I feel like this is groundhog day, but in fairness, let's see what happens. 

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Buckeye@317's picture

Double sarcasm... is that extra sarcasm or is it like in math class when two negatives make a positive? 

I'm a fan of this if it works.  If it doesn't I don't like the move at all. 

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Does Ryan Day look a little like Harry Connick Jr ... or what? 

Glad to have him! Wondering if being the "play-caller" means ... "As long as you call my plays" ... so says Urban Meyer? And does this promotion re-set the 2 year commitment Meyer asks of his assistant coaches? Also, what is Kevin Wilson's role? Dude has a very good and proven track record of producing high-octane offenses. 

I hope I hope I hope ... Urban Meyer knows he has two of the best offensive minds in the college game ... and will hand over all (or at least 99%) of offensive play-calling and design duties to these two great coaches! 

Go Bucks

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JCam061588's picture

More than likely nothing schematically will change, but now OSU can pay Day more. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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keithbuckeyes's picture

So it's not one of those promotions where you get a new title, work more hours but get the same paycheck?

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Been there...with an angry wife to prove it.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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SubUrban.Meyer's picture

I think it shows UFM is finally giving over full playcalling duties and letting Wilson and Day run the show. I think that is important to have Day as more than a QB coach because of Haskins' style of play. 

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JCam061588's picture

Urban's role in the offense is not gong to change. Urban has never really called the plays outside of crucial situations, he more or less validates or vetoes them & that's been the case his entire career as HC including the 2014 year when the offense was unstoppable. I know its trendy right now to suddenly assume Urban's lost his mojo but the issues with offense have stemmed mostly from an unhealthy amount of turnover & awful play designs during the Beck/Ed disaster. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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DarrylJenks's picture

I respectfully disagree.  Our reliance on the QB option has Urban written all over it.  This philosophy has costs us some big games and hurt game plan development.  He is taking a page out of Saban's playbook.  Give the keys to your coordinators, focus on running your entire organization and coaching your specialty position. (WR and/or special teams)

Darr

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JCam061588's picture

Urban Meyer has micro managed the offense his entire career. That includes the seasons his teams won three national titles, he didn’t suddenly lose a grip on how to call a game. Urban will still manage the offense. Believe it or not, coaches do things for reasons that most fans don’t understand or see. If OSU is relying on the QB run, whether we like it or not, there is a probably a very good reason. The same Urban that managed the OU (17) & Clemson (16) games fans just can’t get over, also managed the games against Wisconsin, Bama, Oregon, OU (15), & PSU & MSU this season. OSU has had its issues, but I assure they probably aren’t the historically great coach who has raised the bar so high, that fans of his program consider an offense that was top in its conference & 13th nationally “terrible”. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Very well put Jcam. Top ten in total offense and scoring offense and the offense is supposedly bad. People tend to only concentrate on the negative games as if no other prolific offense has bad games. sink or swim do or die Urban is a read option coach just like mike leach is an air raid coach. You get what you get. I remember a good portion of the fanbase begging for a spread option offense under tress and now they have it and all of the issues inherent to it.

Wish people would just accept that there is no such thing as a perfect offense. There is a yin for every yang. Every offensive scheme has a potential defensive scheme to stifle it. You coach what you’re comfortable with coaching and believe in. I dont know many coaches who change their styles or schemes cause they’ve lost eight games in six years.

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MplsBuckeyeFan's picture

I think our reliance on the QB run has everything to do with JT Barrett' s limitations as a passer. I think we were going to see a much more wide open pass game next year regardless of who calls plays simply due to the fact that we'll have a much more capable passer.

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beavis's picture

throw in a healthy dose of barretts inability to play well in big games and I agree with you.

beavis

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JCam061588's picture

So JT wasn’t the best player or at least one of the best players on the field in numerous big wins for OSU?

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

JT wasn't the QB when OSU absolutely dominated 3 of the best teams in college ball on the way to the 2015 national title. Cardale Jones was. Haskins is a better passer than Cardale. Let him throw. Kevin Wilson and Ryan Day know how to throw ... better than Urban Meyer knows how to run. 

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

JCam - Well not exactly. The 2014 team won the national title because of Tom Herman calling down-field passing plays for Cardale Jones. That was not Urban Meyer's RPO offense. Heading into 2015, with Herman now gone and Cardale still at QB, Urban went back to the RPO. Beck and Warinner were clear about what kind of O Meyer wanted to run ... and it didn't work. The RPO used to be inventive. It's taken years for Meyer to realize the rest of college ball has more than caught up ... if he's learned that at all. We'll see. 

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MplsBuckeyeFan's picture

I think you may be getting your terminology confused... I think you're confusing "RPO" (Run/Pass Option) for "Read Option" which has always been the foundation of Urban's offense. Ryan Day is actually largely responsible for bringing some "RPO" (Run/Pass Option) elements to our offense this year. 

I'm a fan of both. RPO is a hot, trendy wrinkle in the game right now, but there's nothing wrong with the read option either. The problem we had against good defenses was that we weren't balanced. JT was unable to stretch defenses downfield, and so they would take away everything short and dare him to throw deep. Then, in the run game they would just take away the RB (who's much more dangerous) and force JT to keep it because good defenses have the speed to contain JT with relative ease. 

The read option and Urban's offense are not the problem, but balance is the key. You need a QB that can threaten all parts of the field with accuracy to keep the defense honest. I'm looking forward to Haskins providing that (or maybe even Martell?).

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stpetebuck's picture

With you in this suburb

unless Martell sets the nod osu will be starting a pure passer for the first time in years.  

Exciting times

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fishleehooker's picture

There are lots of kitchens with more than one chef though

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stxbuck's picture

But if a sous chef deviates from the recipe, they will get thrown out on their ass instantly.......a HC/chef writes their menu-and expects strict adherence from the cook.

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TheNorthernBuckeye's picture

We aren’t Michigan. We’ll be fine. 

Stay the course 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

But he didn't eat it. TTUN fans will say that it still isn't Harbaugh quality. There, TTUN finally beat us at something.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Homey1970's picture
In my best Schwarzenegger voice: 
 It’s not a toomer booger.
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Buckfrombirth's picture

LOL!!!

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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selmer862's picture

Looks like he's studying Hairball's playbook.

"You don't win when you're too damned happy, and I like to win"--Woody Hayes

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Turfgrad's picture

Stop already!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Sounds like a grand idea (everybody get's a trophy) - next thing everybody will be a co-head coach.   

Just one question, who is ultimately responsible for the next "iowa" offensive performance under this coaching structure?

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Our LB's never got off the bus and the iowa TE's are still running. The fake FG added insult to injury imo, lol

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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JCam061588's picture

Better yet, who are going to credit for the next PSU & MSU performances? 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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58Buckeye's picture

Just one question, who is ultimately responsible for the next "iowa" offensive performance under this coaching structure?

Where have you been?  It's all JT Barrett's fault.  /s 

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Turfgrad's picture

UFM is!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Whole Ryan Day thing turned out peachy, IMO.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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stpetebuck's picture

Repeating myself here but Day’s 2nd year is karma payback for Beck’s second year. Future is bright

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awlinBrutus's picture

Want a good laugh, just go to mgoblow. They actually have a thread whining about osu retaining Day, lol. I think we have wrecked ttun so bad they may never recover and be a perennial 4-5 loss team for the next decade. We are totally in the heads of ttun fan base. There is an osu thread over there every time we have anything remotely news worthy. Quite comical.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Have you somehow missed the 7,000 Harbaugh threads on this site?

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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awlinBrutus's picture

Hadn't noticed quite honestly. There's far more content on this site than tgere is on that wreck. As far as i can tell they have 1 forum.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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TMac's picture

Congratulations Coach Day!  Hope to see some changes this season, you know, RBs run, QBs throw....

ONE Not Done!

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Buckeye_Ryan's picture

Born a Buckeye, raised a Buckeye, will die a Buckeye.

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

So, what is Kevin Wilson's title now?  Is he still Offensive Coordinator as well?  So nothing has changed?  

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm guessing that Ryan Day is about to get a raise. 

I'm also guessing that Day turned down opportunities to be an NFL offensive coordinator because he would rather be a head coach in college. Maybe Meyer promised Day, if he came back one more year, that he would sort of "package" Day for a head coaching opportunity in 2019.   

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Earle's picture

I'm guessing we'll hear that he will be "Assistant Head Coach" very soon.  Or something to that effect.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Buckrific's picture

Needs to start wearing a short-sleeved mustard yellow shirt with a tie.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

That's worth infinite helmet stickers. Does he run a beet farm too?

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Jumar's picture

A bed and breakfast would be bigger money.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Nicely done.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BrutusB's picture

Schiano is an Associtate Head Coach. LJ is an Assistant Head Coach. Since Schiano seems to be regarded as the second in command I’m guessing the former is the better title. 

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Earle's picture

There's still an opening for an Adjunct Head Coach.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Special Guest Lecturer Head Coach

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0H-10's picture

But that would be reserved for someone like a Dick LeBeau.

o||||||o

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GareBear's picture

Senior Assistant Head Coach ?

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Buck68's picture

Under Assistant West Coast Promo Man... 

takes Stones.  ;-{)}

Buck68

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CantonBuckeyes12's picture

Assistant Head Coach of Offense? Something like that that sounds important! 

We will fight to the end for OH-IO!

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

When I saw the headline, my first reaction was negative, given our experience of recent years.  But on reflection, maybe it wont be too bad if it's just titles. Everyone gets a bump; Wilson to OC II, Day to OC I while the job remains the SOS.  I'm glad that Day is staying and, I hope, will still be the QB whisperer.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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teddyballgame's picture

I wonder what Lou Holtz title is

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EMoThaGr8's picture

I wonder what Lou Holtz title is

Schenior Head Coasch Emerituschhh

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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cricejr's picture

So this begs the question:  What is Kevin Wilson?

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

A figurehead with Meyer micromanaging playcalling

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

-1

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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stxbuck's picture

Why does it bother you to admit the emperor has no clothes? This is program/bureaucratic politics 101.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

-1, not much for conspiracy theories. Please post link to support claim

“My people are a peaceful people, we cannot protect ourselves.”

”My people are not peaceful, we will protect you.”

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stxbuck's picture

WTF? You think a HC is going to publicly admit that he has a figurehead OC, so he can micromanage everything himself? I really don't care if a coach does this if they are successful with it. Tressel did the same thing. Trust your own observations, not a "link' someone barfs up.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

So you have no sources to back this up, just a gut feeling? 

“My people are a peaceful people, we cannot protect ourselves.”

”My people are not peaceful, we will protect you.”

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stxbuck's picture

Yes, gut feeling. Way of the football world. Again, no HC is going to publicly admit that his OC-or DC-or QB coach or whatever as the case might be, is a bit of a figurehead for his own schemes that he has made his reputation on. It's not couth. Was Tressel ever going to admit the obvious, that Siciliano was basically a figurehead, and that he and Darrell Hazell called the shots on offense/the passing game? I'm not saying it necessarily matters either.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I don't even know what we are talking about anymore. Nothing but love baby! Go Bucks! 

“My people are a peaceful people, we cannot protect ourselves.”

”My people are not peaceful, we will protect you.”

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cricejr's picture

So credible information means nothing to you, because it's a "link someone barfs up". Got it. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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stxbuck's picture

Do you swallow every press release as the verbatim, literal truth of the way things are on a team, or company, or government? I'm just speaking to the way I see the office politics playing out at the WHAC.

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saintstephen11's picture

Exactly, If you are waiting for objective evidence then you are going to have a long wait.  It rarely exists in the real world. Critical thinking is what you should be doing. If you are waiting for "evidence" on a silver platter it isn't happening.

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cricejr's picture

I'm still not seeing what Wilson's role is.  And none of this means anything if Coach isn't willing to take a step back and let these men work.  I have to admit, I'm a little concerned... it just doesn't seem that Wilson truly has fit in because if Meyer trusts you, he gives over the reigns, al la Tom Herman. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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brutus0717's picture

What? I'm all for this, but what does it even mean?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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NutBuckz's picture

probably needed a way to up his income on par with titans offer

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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Afonzai's picture

What it means is a title for future resumes and experience for future employment. Why do so many people get so worked up over titles and change?

Thumbs up

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cricejr's picture

Because we are dealing with men with egos.  I'm sure you wouldn't be like "who cares about titles?" if you worked with a guy who was your subordinate and the next year he has your title. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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stxbuck's picture

It's not the title per se, it's what someone else getting the title says about your actual role/level of input. Urban is putting Wilson in check.

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JTownBuckeye's picture

So what is Wilson’s role? He lost the “co offensive coordinator” title then? 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Good question about Wilson's role, because I suspect that Wilson cares a lot more about his role than he does the titles.

Actually, I doubt that Wilson's role will change much, except that maybe Day will be even more of an active partner with Wilson.

Another thing that perhaps matters more to Wilson than titles . . . I could be wrong, but I think if Wilson's salary continues to be less than $542,000 per year (he made $500,000 this past season), IU still has to pay Wilson some undisclosed amount of annual compensation. Because IU railroaded Wilson with a bogus "fired with cause" campaign, it wouldn't surprise me if Wilson is still salty about it. So, even if he could OSU to pay him enough to compensate for foregoing IU money, maybe he'd still prefer to make IU pay out.

Long story short . . . Wilson probably doesn't care if they call him the "co-OC" and Day the "OC," if he's an equal partner in game planning, gets to call most of the plays in the booth, and gets to make IU pay out more money.  

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McGrind's picture

He is in ‘image’rehab..a couple years of ‘improvement’ and he can move on...never hear Urb rave about him. Should at least get a mid-level HC job IF he wants it. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

More chefs in the kitchen

18 Saturdays till kickoff

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gumtape's picture

Likes

Coordinator

Titles

High and tight boo boo

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Seattle Linga's picture

Another great promotion 

I love this move 

BOOM

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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stxbuck's picture

What do you think Day will bring that Wilson won't?

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steve-OH's picture

"work with Kevin Wilson to lead the Ohio State offense with additional adjustments to his responsibilities forthcoming,"

I guess we'll find out eventually, but this is odd to go from co-OC to OC, when you still have the other OC.

Confusing. Offensive Coordinators are now like our WR's. We have multiple starters.

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cronimi's picture

Don't you see? Before we had two co-OCs. Now, we have two (non-co-)OCs. Very different....

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Hovenaut's picture

First, great for Day.

Second, also curious as to where this puts Wilson.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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GareBear's picture

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilsooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!!!

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Hovenaut's picture

The Bobs will call Wilson at home.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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BluntedBrutus's picture

Hmm, I am assumimg this was more a move to keep Day here for another year or two than anything to do with Kevin Wilson?

"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."

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PeruvianBuckeye's picture

He just got promoted to Assistant to the Regional Manager. 

"Aaannnnd heeee's got an opening! Elliott! Off to the races can they catch him?! ... No they can't - touchdown! Eighty. Five. Yards!"

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buckeyedude's picture

His wife will be pleased.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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albinomosquito's picture

I guess I always pictured Day as Wilson's heir apparent.  Now I'm worried we lose both of them next year...

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LoufromOSU's picture

Is he replacing Urban as the co-offensive coordinator? 

Hope this one works out better than the last duo. 

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Earle's picture

I thought Urban's title was Offensive Governor.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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OH-IO's picture

I'd go with Offensive Overlord. 

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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Earle's picture

I mean like the kind on an engine.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Wildragei's picture

Nice play on words there.

Wildragei

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Reuben's picture

This is the dream scenario. 

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BuckeyeinGA's picture

Wilson to Tennessee Titans! 

Seriously wouldn’t be surprised to see Wilson named “Assistant Head Coach” or something of that nature. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

If Vrabel is cold blooded, he ought to go after Wilson, who may be pretty peeved about this move excepting if, as you said, he's also quasi-promoted as well.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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bucknasty13's picture

He's"assistant to the" offensive coordinator.

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buckeyedude's picture

This should be a "BOOM!" GIF, every bit as important as landing the next 5* athlete.

Excessive coaching turnover is not a good thing.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Oh.a.Shoe's picture
Don't **** with the Ryan

"Ohio fullbacks should stay in Ohio and play at Ohio State." - Earle Bruce

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OH-IO's picture

I suspect the "Offensive Coord." is an HR title required to get the raise that enticed Day to stay. That, and Urban probably called him on not living up to the two-year commitment Urban expects from his hires. 

Doubt  much else changes. 

Now go help Haskins get better today, damnit! 

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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gadubness's picture

Remember the brilliance of Beck and Warriner as two OC'? 

We probably had to do this to keep Day. But this is just as confusing as 6 starting WR.  Stay the hell away from playcalling Meyer! 

Gatt_Daddy

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Sgaf13's picture

Yea I really hope this helps the offense move towards the Herman Era not the Beck Era

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Ask Oregon about that offense over the last 8+ minutes of the NC game 3rd quarter, right? Welp, there goes #15 again...

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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LoufromOSU's picture

If you can roll with 9 captains, you can roll with 2-3 Offensive coordinators. 

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BPOSU's picture

Is there some rule about giving someone a raise without their title changing? Only thing I can think of.

Other than Wilson potentially going elsewhere but he's not exactly an NFL style guy, and there aren't any head college jobs remaining that I know of so highly doubt that's happening.

Never liked the 2 coordinator system, as you never know who, as fans, to hold accountable, which is why I'm sure the coaching staff enjoys it.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Is there some rule about giving someone a raise without their title changing?

The tyrants in HR . . . 

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BuckeyeJay's picture

It's probably a combo of the salaries tied to the title, and the retention offer has to exceed the external offer. Both are OSU HR policies 

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TJG32's picture

It’s a great Day. 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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redwoodz's picture

2 different offensive coordinators? now they will argue which side the qb draw will run to? left or right qb draw? looking forward to qb with 25 carries again next year.

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jpfbucks01's picture

I know some of this is just a rant but still, the most carries JT had in a game under Day/Wilson was 18 against Wisconsin. In factwhen excluding sacks, JT averaged a total of 10.4 carries a game

In 2016 under Warinner and Beck he ran 13.7 times a game and had 19 as the most in a single game,

in fact the most carries including sacks JT ever had in 1 game in his career was 24 times in the Va Tech Loss in 2014 which included 7 sacks so a net 17 designed runs or scrambles, other than that it is 23 times in a 44 point performance against ND in the Fiesta Bowl, (23 for 96 yards, 2 of which were sacks) oh and BTW who also threw 35 passes that game for another 211 yards, completing 61% and a TD and he had a total of 4 games of 20 or more including sacks and 3 of those were in 2014.

JT's rushes per game by year are

2014 - 12.3

2015 - 9.9 9 deflated some due to splitting time with Cardale

2016 - 13.7

2017 - 10.4 - that's a 24% reduction year over year....

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t-dub's picture

never confuse the argument with facts..../s

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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Turfgrad's picture

The party is over, turn out the lights!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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KevinJ's picture

Meyer has had 2 Defensive Coordinators for years expect the same here, don't see anything changing for Wilson. Day gets a bump in pay and title and he was already a big part of game planning so things will probably remain status quo as far as that's concerned. 

Day will also be able to add Offensive Coordinator to his resume now. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I'm sure Wilson and Day can continue to work well together.

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BoilerBuck's picture

Please, please, someone Photoshop Day's head on Tom Hanks!

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Osusam77's picture

I assume Wilson and Day get along or 1 would have left. I'm also guessing that they will divide duties - but that Wilson will call the game day O with Day's input (if Meyer lets them). Of course, we know know nothing about the operations of a big time program. 

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Major H's picture

A clear chain of command is a good thing. I'm not seeing this at this time. 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Jackeye's picture

I agree, but just because we don't see the clear chain of command doesn't mean it doesn't exist

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JCam061588's picture

Trust me, it’s there. This is about money & settig Day up for the future. Not anything schematically involving the offense. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Got you covered...

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Major H's picture

Pix didn't post.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Oh well, it would have been funny.  That's why I should leave that sort of thing to Barf and the experts.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Major H's picture

I'll take your word for it! LOL! +1

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I like it.  The new title is what triggers the raise.  Urban is amassing coaching talent and doubling up to lessen the blow of future defections.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Canukbuck's picture

Why not just name everyone on the staff as co-Head Coaches, give everyone a raise, including an extra case of Red Bull to Coach Coombs .... One head coach, one offensive co-ordinator and one defensive co-ordinator, plus a number of positional coaches - while that may be old school, it works .... all this co-this and co-that is not worth the print on the business cards they hand out.  The expression that too many chefs spoil the broth is very true and you'll need a VERY tight staff, with no ego issues, to pull off these multiple co-ordinator appointments.

It remains to be seen how they will divide the offensive responsibilities between Wilson and Day, but I'm not a fan - let Wilson have the complete play-calling authority, keep Urban occupied with the special teams and let Day focus on developing the new QB for the coming season.

Not a fan of this move, but suspect Meyer was ready to do anything to keep Day from bolting to the Titans .... not a fan of letting the inmates run the prison .....

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bd2999's picture

How is it letting the inmates run the prison? I imagine Day used what leverage he had. That is called negotiating using the demand for your skills. That is how a market system works.

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BuckeyeJay's picture

You are looking WAAAAAAAAAY too deep into this. OSU has strict policies on payscales that are directly tied to titles.

example

Widget Maker has a salary range of $30k-$39k 

Bob is your best widget maker, but already makes the top $39k, you know other companies are talking to him, but he does not have a verifiable offer to match. In order to give Bob a raise, he has to be promoted to Widget Maker II, even though his duties haven't really changed. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

More Offensive Coordinators equals more offense obviously...

Probably shouldn't take any chances by trotting out too few team captains in 2018 either, 69 sounds about right...

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Buckfrombirth's picture

"69 sounds about right"...and Gronkowski started giggling.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Has anyone asked what this means for Wilson? /s

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Has anyone NOT asked.  :P

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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joebuckeye5's picture

All this means to me is that Day was too valuable to lose so anything that gets him to stick around is a bonus.  We have to take advantage of this coaching staff in 2018.  We have two offensive coordinators that could basically be offensive coordinators anywhere and two defensive coordinators that could be defensive coordinators anywhere.  We will lose at least two of them after next season so we need to strike now.

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Jackeye's picture

I think Wilson and Schiano will be likely to move on, with Day and Grinch staying.  Youth movement. 

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Really, maybe it's really no change except change in title and pay...

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Excellent.  I really like this move.

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Sanantonefan's picture

This really makes my Day! (I'll be here all Day)

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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knoxvilleBuckeye's picture

Is having two offensive coordinators like having two quarterbacks?  If you have two, you really have none?

RPeters

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Mantis's picture

Heh, I'm glad he's staying, but I think it's funny how obvious it is that he was promoted and will make more money in order for him to stay.  

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

It is a fabulous DAY when everyone is working hard and creatively to make the Buckeyes the best possible version. Open minded listening is a great step towards getting the most out of our talent. Trying to copy last year's team will put us in 5th place watching the playoffs from a distance.
Pass effectively and call not predictable plays. Our 6 best RB in September will have 0 career passing yards. Let's keep it that way because championships are better than records.

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CedarBuck92's picture

I would feel pretty safe saying that our QB will be in the top 6 in rushing on the team. Even if we call zero QB runs (unlikely) I would hope we have a QB who will scramble when needed and not just stand back there all day waiting for someone to get open. 

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MNBuck's picture

Watching how unbelievably fast Georgia and Oklahoma were in the Rose Bowl was mind boggling. After watching every Ohio State game I knew we didn't have that element. Hopefully these two will be able to give us the proper eye-test the fans and committee are looking for.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Spot on. Imagine if Georgia's offense could've made just a couple more first downs in the second half. Their defensive speed, which was preposterous, especially at LB, might've been there in the last half of the 4th.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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stxbuck's picture

Georgia's WRs weren't any better-or worse/slower- than tOSU's. The two headed RB monster was an older version-talent wise-of Dobbins and Weber.

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MNBuck's picture

I do agree that OSU's WRs are no slower than Georgia's. Also I'd take our RB's as well. But there was a speed element to their plays that one can't deny. Our play development seemed like a slowed down version of the RPO compared to Georgia and Oklahoma's offenses. We certainly have the athletes but it's the alignment that seemed to be missing.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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Spider1944's picture

Dan, you made a very key comment. 

Day's role will become even more important for the 2018 season, however, as he will work alongside Meyer and Wilson to both oversee a starting quarterback competition – between Dwayne Haskins, Joe Burrow and Tate Martell – and then rebuild the offense around whoever wins that battle.

“and then rebuild the offense around whoever wins that battle.”

​IMHO Lets hope this happens.  I don’t believe they did this the last time they had a pro style quarterback. 

Go Bucks!! 

"There are 3 things that can happen and 2 of them are bad" - the Curse of Woody Hayes

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buckeyepastor's picture

Here's hoping that Wilson/Day is a more effective co-coordinator system than Warriner/Beck.   Given our performance last year and everything at their disposal, I'm optimistic.   I always felt like Warriner was a great OL coach who was punching above his weight class a bit as coordinator, and Beck didn't set the world on fire at Nebraska.  The two of them have had a year of working on staff together and hopefully as such know what they want to do.   Thinking that part of Meyer's promotion of Day is due to the fact that Wilson was an HC not too long ago and as with Schiano is likely to be getting plucked from us before too long.   Sort of a "mentoring" here, along the lines of Grinch coming on to work under Schiano.  That, and showing some love to Ryan Day so that he doesn't have to take any more phone calls from other teams for a while.  

As long as they stay focused on dialing up what works best from week to week and not worry about how many touches individuals on the team are getting, we should be fine.   Each of the last 3 seasons have had their frustrations and disappointments, but 2015 sort of stands out for me.   So many times that it felt like we'd stop the flow of the offense so that Braxton Miller got to get touches, usually in fairly obvious and not very effective play calls.   In 2018, our depth at receiver, at H-Back, and with tailbacks is unreal, in part because of so many that have stayed.  We can't be concerned about "rewarding" any of them in a way that hampers the offense.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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BucksHave7's picture

We need a new rule if you want to be a football coach at THE Ohio State University. 4 year contract at your current title with huge buyout penality. 

Tired of these adults worried about making millions and plotting their careers at the expense of young men.

BucksHave7

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bd2999's picture

It is curious what two OCs will mean for the team then. Lots of coaches. Hopefully, the offense clicks well this year.

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TMac's picture

ONE Not Done!

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steve-OH's picture

This update is the big one. We all know play calling was a "collaborative effort" last year, and were waiting for Wilson/Day to take the reigns. 

Just wait til he calls QB Power on 3rd and 3 the first game of the season.

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t-dub's picture

having 1 play caller will certainly help with tempo and hopefully reduce the gross number of delays and frequent play clock violations from the last couple of years 

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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loverbuck's picture

There will never be one playcaller as long as Urban is there and Urban will never admit that he's the one calling QB draw every other play.

Urban needs plausible deniability, but we know what's going on.

Loverbuck: Women and buckeyes

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cledaybuck's picture

I don't think you know what a QB draw is.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Too much offensive brain power for the osu offense to be so terrible. Meyer get out of the way and let these 2 design a kick ass offense 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Jackeye's picture

Its hard to step aside and accept the "CEO" position, but sometimes that's best.

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Horvath22's picture

So, you would like to bring back CEO John Cooper, or a reasonable facsimile thereof? /s LOL

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JCam061588's picture

Wasn’t terrible by any stretch of the imagination, inconsistent but hardly terrible. Terrible offenses don’t put up the numbers OSU’s did. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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rosycheeks's picture

With 3 guys calling plays for a first-year starter, I expect a fair number of delay of game penalties next year. #favethistweet

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jamesrbrown322's picture

The real question is who calls 4th down plays? They need to add another playcaller for this.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

I'm so confused.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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ChazBuckeye's picture

I'm REALLY hoping Wilson is gone! Please say it's so...

It is time!!!!!

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Jackeye's picture

What about last year made you dislike Wilson's performance?

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Buckfrombirth's picture

That's the first I've seen of that comment. Care to expound and avoid the DVs?

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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RUNTOWIN's picture

12 WRs, 4 coordinators, 9 captains, an assistant HC, an associate HC...it's all window dressing

1 HC and that is where it all starts and ends.  He is the one calling the shots...that's why he acts like long tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs on the sidelines during games.

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fishleehooker's picture

It feels like both will be coordinators with Day taking on most of the passing game chores and Wilson taking on the running game plays.  I think that is a good thing and it all comes down to execution.  I think this is a good thing.   Its all about working together with coaches and I suspect they do that well and sense improvement down the road, or the band would have broken up. 

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Maybe Day will be next head coach at Ohio State?!

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McGrind's picture

Could be...clearly he is a hot property...My guess is Urb did everything he could to keep him. A few years as OC...and he is going to be calling the shots somewhere...worked really well for Oklahoma. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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hetuck's picture

Perhaps a condition for Day staying was Urban yielding play calling. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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BuckeyeJay's picture

I don't think Urban is calling plays. I think he is bad at saying "I want this" or "we need to run that". A condition of Day staying is Urban being more hands off than he tends to be. Of course, with that, expect to see what Nick Saban calls "ass chewings" 

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JCam061588's picture

Urban sets the tone & gives the OC’s direction on what he wants to see. The OC’s design the details of the offense & the schemes. All crucial situations go through him. This was the case when Tom was there, this is the case now, that’s how it’s been his entire career. Next year will the be the first time in a while OSU returns most of its major weapons & its OC’s. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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stxbuck's picture

Hmmm-seems to me Urbs is promoting his own guy to deflect from calls to acquiesce to a more Wilson-esque scheme. This move isn't about offensive output/improvement, it's about program politics. Just my $.02.

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

You don't need 2 guys calling plays. Urban felt threatened so he gave him a better title, = more $. I'll tell you what this society anymore is getting very lazy, what 1 person could do years ago, now takes 2 or 3 people. Urban is a fool!

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TBDBITL_J3's picture

BOOOOOOOM!!!!! This is huge for our THREE young QB's, we will need all the help we can get in picking one and developing an offense that fits them.

I also think this (and the hiring of Grinch as Co-DC) is evidence that Wilson (and Schiano) will leave next year, and now we already have replacements for them that will have a year of experience with our system! 

"the best damn band in the land!" - Woody Hayes

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kmp10's picture

I'm surprised... again. Kevin Wilson, prior to last season at Ohio State, proved time and again that he could produce prolific offenses no matter the level of talent at his disposal. His OU offenses were impressive, to say the least, and his offenses at IU, while working with throwaways, never weres, and rejects, always impressed. Last season he seemed handcuffed while working within Meyer's offense and it showed Vs talented teams. Now, Ryan Day has been promoted and last season's "co-coordinator" is next season's "offensive coordinator" while last season's "offensive coordinator" has a yet to be determined responsibility and job title. I'm wondering a few things; at what point did Ryan Day prove to be a better coordinator than Kevin Wilson, and is Wilson okay with what essentially seems to be a demotion, at least as of this moment? I'm happy Day is staying... but it seems like Wilson is an underserving victim of circumstance in this scenario. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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gadubness's picture

Agree. Meyer simply is too stubborn to give up the controls of his 'balanced, QB power offense.'  My feeling is that Wilson probably got tired of this and transitioning over to Day 

You dont see any other top programs having this much difficulty with who is actually calling the plays. Only with Meyer and the 'collaborative' effort

Gatt_Daddy

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Brutus_Bully's picture

Never have been a dual coordinator fan but when the head coach has a .901 winning percentage he can have 2 O.C. fully paid if he wants.

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

I think Wilson is the best offensive mind on the team. Turn it over to him and I'll bet great things happen. He always put up big numbers at Indiana, not to mention with Oklahoma. I feel like he is being wasted while JT was forced in to running the ball 15 times per game. Urban's offense is stale.hope he lets Day turn it loose.

Go Bucks!

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Kalmar's picture

Playcalling has been the Buckeye's biggest issue my entire life (54) and this makes me a happy happy Sob. Thank ya Lord, Thank ya Tiny Baby Jesus and thank you UFM for getting out of your own way. #ScoringMachine

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BayCountyBuck's picture

I'm not so sure Urban won't maintain that veto button, regardless of who is "calling" the plays. We shall see just how much delegation there is in the first tight ballgame we see in 2018. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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JCam061588's picture

Do you really think Urban is the problem here? Lol!

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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NorthCoastBias's picture

Oh yeah, baby. I am so here for offensive coordinator hand-wringing and consternation. 

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mockjocks's picture

Got here late, but I echo a lot of what I've read (and bestowed glorious UVs)

This just seems messy. I'll leave it at that.

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JCam061588's picture

Not as messy as it seems. Wilson will be a HC after next year, OSU wants to keep Day as the heir apparent to at least the OC position & putting him place sooner rather than later helps with that. Urban's role in the O is not going to change, its been that way his entire career of which he's won 3 titles. Even his "terrible" offenses are generally at the top of the conference & even the country. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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mockjocks's picture

I understand your point, it makes all the sense in the world. My gut tells me that Ryan Day isn't long for Ohio State, either. I don't see him as a long-term (even 3 more seasons, counting this one as co-coordinator) coach here. Hopefully I'm wrong. Everybody seems to want him.

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

Something tells me we don't have the full story yet. Let's see how it pans out before... oh, yep, there they go, jumping to conclusions.

I aim to misbehave.

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

The disaster on the offensive side of the ball continues. We hired WIlson, a person many think should never be around student-athletes again after the way he was at Indiana, because he was supposed to be some sort of savant. That didn't work out too well and this guy with one year has a chance to bolt and gets the OC with play-calling role? What's Wilson going to do? With today's emphasis on the welfare and safety of student-athletes (think Michigan State gymnastics here), there is no way in hell that Wilson will ever sniff another HC job. His conduct at Indiana will come out in the vetting process and it will be clear that OSU hired him in a panic after getting drilled 31-0 by Clemson. Urban needs to let Day call the plays and step aside. Wilson needs to do whatever he's going do to so we don't have another year of offensive struggles. After all, we won't be able to blame JT next year. 

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JCam061588's picture

Disaster is a stretch man. OSU actually had one of the most productive offenses in the country last year & was tops in a conference that also has PSU.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Firstly, all of Wilson's misconduct at Indiana are merely allegations.
Secondly, panically hiring Wilson? No, he was hired because he's proven to be one of the best offensive minds in the sport. He was stuck calling plays from Urban's archaic system, and with all things considered, he did a pretty damn good job of it.

Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

After all, we won't be able to blame JT next year. 

#CutHaskins #CutBurrow #CutMartell #CutBaldwin

Too soon?

I aim to misbehave.

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jpfbucks01's picture

Wow Big2012, so much to unpack here

1) to insinuate in any way what Wilson was at best accused of at Indiana approaches what happened at MSU (or PSU for that matter) is grotesque

2) Wilson was vetted by OSU and in fact was not fired at Indiana based on the allegations he resigned. In fact he denied any wrong doing and ESPN's Outside the Lines investigated and found nothing. Indiana actually paid him his buyout meaning they did not remove him for cause. This was nothing like Tim Beckman's firing at Illinois.

3) A Disaster??? OSU offense by almost any measure improved under Wilson and Day as compared to Warinner and Beck

Pts/Game - improved 41.1 vs 39.4

Yards/game - Improved 506 vs 459

Passing Yards/game - improved 263 vs 214

YPC - Improved - 5.8 vs 5.5

YPA - improved - 8.4 vs 5.6

YPC - Improved - 12.8 vs 10.9

Completion pct - Improved - 65.2 vs 62.3

fewer games scoring less than 24 in regulation - 1 vs 4 

fewer games with less than 150 yards passing - 2 vs 5

Fewer games with less than 200 passing yards - 6 vs 4

3 lowest PT totals - 24, 24, 16 vs 17, 17, 0

3 lowest pass yard totals - 115, 124, 183 vs 86, 93, 124

QB runs as % of all runs - 33% vs 37%

QB runs as % of all plays - 19% vs 22%

number of games below 350 TTL - 1 vs 3

Number of TD passes/game - improved 2.8 vs 2.0

fewer games below 50% comp - 1 vs 3

Passer Eff - Improved 160.2 vs 137.0

More games with at least 1 40+ yard completion - 7 vs 3

More games with more 2 or more TD passes - 11 vs 5

More games with 300+ pass yds - 7 vs 2

More games with at least 200 pass yards - 10 vs 7

Even compared to 2014, we threw for more yards per game, for a higher completion pct, and for the same TDs/game and far fewer INT's per game

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moopdawg's picture

Reading these comments, seems like lots are concerned with there being too much leadership -- too many cooks in the kitchen.  Not at all worried though, the players assembly of 10 plus captains will surely figure it out. 

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CowCat's picture

This is understandable at one level -- keep Ryan Day. But it could get tricky if Kevin Wilson doesn't get a promotion and raise too, unless it's a foregone conclusion that he will be leaving.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Look, I wasn't a huge fan of every offensive performance last season, and the last few seasons. But geez. Reading like 30% of the comments would make one think we had a bottom feeder offense. We led the BIG 10 in nearly every offensive category last season and put up one of OSU's top overall offenses. It has been this way for like 5-6 consecutive seasons. Yes, it got bland with running JT especially against better competition, but still, people equate us to Michigan or something. Folks, Michigan had like 12 passing TDs all last season. 

I think folks are missing the bigger picture questions here. Will Ryan Timmons finally transfer to OSU? Will Day allow Braxton to throw? Will Haskins run the diamond formation?  

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txbucknut's picture

I know Meyer likes to get a 2 year commitment from his coordinators either way, but keeping Day on for a 2nd year after getting courted by the other schools for a HC position and the NFL is huge. Can't wait to see what he does with the young QBs next year. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

On second thought maybe this means one is in charge of drawing up and calling plays, whereas the other is in charge of drawing up and delivering 'your momma'  jokes...  

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

I think that Ohio St has to give people certain titles in order to give them a certain amount of money. 

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

I am talking for admin purposes

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nickel beer's picture

You're right. 

It's the 'playcalling,' I think, that's catching people in their throats--given the past few years.  But, this time's different--really--with the QB position genuinely open.  The QB status is what I'm reading between the lines.  If Meyer intends to step back and let his staff develop the O, I'd call it a timely move on his part and nothing less than very, very smart. 

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buckslan's picture

Why do so many people have a problem with this? It's hilarious how this fan base finds a way to perceive everything as bad news.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Between Day and Wilson, I expect a HUGE change in offensive philosophy and play calling... especially with Tate Martell spinning the pigskin this year!!!  LOTS of fireworks... but again, I'm just a very biased, glass always overflowing kinda guy!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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teddyballgame's picture

Day's young and bright mind working with a sage like Kevin Wilson.  Sounds good to me

We just need Urban to let these boys cook

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I hope in the discussions of Day's return, he told Urban to back off on play calling just like Herman did to him when we won it all

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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bobsegersilverbulletband's picture

I don't understand having a 3 headed monster running the. We have UM's RPO preference, now we have a passing guy and presumably a run guy. Yikes. Could be a bit confusing or it could work out ok. Or Wilson could take a hike.

Bobcat66

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Buck68's picture

what a great thread!  Hard to get my arms around...this here to that there.   ;-{)}

Buck68

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Crumb's picture

You'll either be the hero (Herman) or the villain (Beck). This offense has underachieved the last 3 seasons and last season was better than the previous 2. Hopefully Ryan Day is part of the reason of that, and he shows it even more in 2018. 

I like this though, it tells me Urban trusts him. Which I don't think comes easy to him when it comes to the offense, but as he said in his book, it's importance can not be overstated. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Turfgrad's picture

It's a great DAY to be a Buckeye!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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