Chris Holtmann for President
Honestly, I have watched Big Ten basketball for over 35 years and I have never seen a coach win this many games in his first year. It's truly amazing. I thought the crowd was the twelveth man in the Nebraska game was the Schott's crowd.
I believe from something that I read, you would have to go back about 85 years to find this kind of start for a first time B1G coach.
69 in 18
Even a basketball fan for thirty five years throws in a football connotation, osu is such a football school, poor coach-what's his name.
I think the biggest difference is this year the team responds when things don't go right. Last year it was like "here we go again" when teams started to make runs. Losing that game vs Nebraska last year at home was obscene - we had a double digit lead, I think at the under 4 time out. Then they started playing aggressive and made a few shots, our guys didn't respond and just acted like the game was already over and they flat out choked it away when it got tight. Tonight they responded well during crunch time, and while they didn't exactly pull away, they did take control of the game in the final minutes.
That's the same thing I have noticed. They don't give up. They play there game and they play it unselfishingly. I am wondering if Holtmann borrowed some of the leadership training from Meyer that has worked for the football team. Not saying Holtmann couldn't figure it out on his own but the way the team carries themselves just mirrors how Meyer's staff teaches leadership. Its great to see both major sports teams winning the right way.
Honestly I think it's a lot more the players themselves vs anything the coaches are doing. We have a great core group - I said this at the end of last year - Jae'Sean and KBD are a great nucleus to build a team around, unfortunately we didn't have KBD on the floor last year. They added another piece to that nucleus in Dakich and there don't appear to be any players that aren't totally bought in. As opposing B1G coaches have been saying all year - the body language from this team is much better than last year. Coaches can demand all they want, but if the players themselves aren't bought it, it won't happen. This team has a good group of senior leaders - something that's been missing honestly since Lighty and Diebler graduated - and that's big for basketball teams that are only comprised of 13 guys.
"Jae'Sean and KBD are a great nucleus to build a team around, unfortunately we didn't have KBD on the floor last year. They added another piece to that nucleus in Dakich and there don't appear to be any players that aren't totally bought in"
There is a lot to be said for this.
Not only was KBD not on the floor, Marc Loving WAS, with his bad body language (something Nebby Coach Miles specifically mentioned as better with this years Bucks vs last year!!!),
Dakich rather than Lyle, Dakich is a poor mans Craft, hustling, playing hard 100% of the time, vocal, disciplined etc, just limited in terms of athleticism/skills, but his value in terms of effort and attitude is huge
Thompson and his occasional attitude issue (even though he was a very consistent performer), replaced by a hungry, coachable, Wesson, and just a new "vigorous" attitude from the HC on the bench.
All of that has lead to better effort, body language, and consistency and resilience of performance.
It's interesting you mention TT. You're right he did sometimes show frustration, but looking back I wonder if that was "attitude problem" or if he was bothered by other guys not being bought in? It would be interesting to see how he would respond on a team full of guys who are bought in. But in the end I do think we "traded up" with Wesson. His production probably won't match TT's (although might not be far off) but his upside is higher and he certainly seems to be a very coachable player.
"Dakich rather than Lyle, Dakich is a poor mans Craft, hustling, playing hard 100% of the time, vocal, disciplined etc, just limited in terms of athleticism/skills, but his value in terms of effort and attitude is huge"
So true but I'd like to see him shoot more when he has the chance. He had an easy lay up on a 3 on 1 fast break and had an easy bucket but passed it up and dished to KBD who was surprised and then turned it over. He HAS to take those chippies, especially late.
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This has been an exciting run so far. The team plays for each other you can see that. And in the tough games they don't fold. Lets just make sure fans stay on board when and if the team drops one down this stretch. But after the last few games where they had to battle a bit and they did, I'm not sure we will have an issue until the Purdue game. And we may have a decent chance on that one.
I don't think you can underestimate the effect of 4 games in 8 days plus hundreds of miles of travel in that span has on a team. You don't sky as high for rebounds, you don't get the same lift on your shots, and the passes might have just a little less zip on them among other things. All of these can affect how well you play, and I think that we showed some signs of that tonight. But we battled through the adversity and got the win. These are the types of games that will pay dividends in March.
I agree unlike the BTN announcer who was incensed that anyone would say that players get tired and are not as sharp.
First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.
Well said. I would also say they learned a great deal in Clemson loss on this very point. They had been home for 48 hours after playing 3 games in 4 days and simply didn't maintain focus and intensity in the second half, This game had a similar feel. Every time we got up 4-5 points, Nebraska would answer and tie or go ahead. In this case, they maintained intensity and eventually broke through.
To thine own self be true.
100 percent correct. That was a gut check win after a marathon on the road.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
It's just awesome to see this teams attitude and buy in right now. Can we get some fans in the building Thursday night to see this team?!
Sure hope this team doesn't lose a game 55-24 or all of the "High IQ" Buckeye fans that typically don't deign to lower themselves to rub elbows with us rabble will lovingly disabuse us of any notion of making the "Basketball Playoffs".
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Man I love this team. It keeps getting better by the game.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Nice job by the staff and the players-
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
I'm just waiting to wake up from the dream. No hurry, though.
I think the difference between this team and others in the past (Oden, Turner, etc), is that no one saw this even remotely coming (except Dan Dakich). Just surreal.
This was a battle that we pushed through to do just enough to win. Glad to see we didnt give up when we got down. Also props to Holtmann on using the Wesson brothers offense defense was a good and gutsy move.
"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM
We'll have our work cut out for us versus the choo-choos in Indiana, but I think we'll be ready.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Watching these guys is a blast. It reminds me so much of back in '98-99 when Scoonie Penn, Michael Redd, George Reese, Ken Johnson and those guys lifted the program in had their magical run. The program was in the dark ages going into that season and I remember following them around in the tournament, including that run in Knoxville to get to the Final Four and the fortunate placing of the Final Four in St. Pete the same week I was on Spring Break.
Not saying this team will repeat those heroics but just to see the way they play smart, aggressive team basketball and giving us a chance every night, this is one helluva start for Holtmann.
You've got barbecue back there?
Really don't think this team is quite on the level of that team...where Scoonie Penn was one of the best PG's in the country, Michael Redd, one of the better wing players and Ken Johnson was a great shot blocker. Only KBD I would consider an elite player (with time young Wesson could get there)....the rest I would consider to be "grinders". However, a team of grinders surrounded by an elite player can make a lot of noise in the NCAA!
Holtmann and his staff have done an incredible job with this team. There is no "I" player, but there is a go to player. This team's toughness and unselfishness is refreshing to watch. Last night was ugly . . . and beautiful simultaneously.
Agree with Coach Holt. We are not going to win every game by 15.....as I had to remind my wife.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
This was amazing! I love how this team fought to the end even after 3 games in the prior 7 days. This is a team with heart! I give a lot of credit to our upper classmen (especially Tate, love that guy) for buying into what Holtmann is saying.
The thing is...OSU has not even hit their peak yet. Last night Jackson really didn't play well, Kam was very bad, and the bench wasn't as good as it has been...yet they won.
They are building great “mental muscle memory” winning these grind out games that will be very important come B1G and NCAA tournament time. And great comment above about 1 star and a bunch of grinders. That combination has gotten several 8-12 seeds to the Elite 8 in March.
To me it is most important that our star, is a humble grinder as well. He just happens to be very talented!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
I agree with pretty much everything that has been said here, but imo we're ignoring the elephant in the room--something that was briefly touched on earlier--the absence of Jaquan Lyle. The kid was a cancer, and the team is so much better off without him. This team genuinely likes each other, and it shows--and they're a helluva lot more fun to watch as a result.
Lyle and Loving were two of the worst multi-year starters in the history of OSU basketball. So glad they are finally gone.
Never thought I'd see Meyer go 8-0 in his first season at OSU and never thought I'd see Holtmann go 9-0, and still going , his first season.
Holman and staff have done a wonderful job to this point. The only thing I'm concerned with is how weak the conference is and how that will play out come tournament time. Not the Buckeyes fault they are doing what you do to teams that are not on your level. I think the game with Purdue will tell what the Bucks are made of whether they win or lose just playing a solid game vs a top five opponent is vital.
That game was amazing and uplifting. Yes our guys will lose some of these type of games yet it is as was beautifully said before "There's more to fighting than rest, sir. There's character, there's strength of heart." Colonel Robert G. Shaw
They will not go easily and that is all you can truly ask for!