Film Study: What to Expect from Alex Grinch's Buckeye Defense in 2018

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Like you say, Kyle, Grinch will have much more talent at his disposal.  I am excited to see how he adds some juice to Ohio State's defense that it already incredible.  I will need to allow Spring Practice to pacify my yearning for football season.  Still more than 7 months. Wow!

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earthpig's picture

I would also like to see more discipline as well..

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BucksHave7's picture

Yes, great point.  Less penalties could help.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I hope he gets to have a lot of influence to how our defense plays. It is all excitement at this point. Can't wait for the Spring game and the install of the new looks this summer for Fall camp

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SubUrban.Meyer's picture

Great run defense and hopefully an improved pass defense. I like it. 

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0H-10's picture

With a name like Grinch I expect stingy, mean, no-nonsense, hard-hitting, and highly effective at all three levels...like a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich with arsenic sauce!

Excited about this!

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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0H-10's picture

Sorry, Hove! Kid's stories have infected my football! Help!

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rockyincbus's picture

I can't imagine a better fit in terms of the talent on hand and Grinch's resume is just what Coach Meyer would have been looking for, even without the local ties which will help us to continue to dominate recruiting.  I hope he gets a season with Schiano before he takes full charge of the defense but either way this looks like another in a long line of home run hires to a loaded coaching staff.

Welcome back home, Coach Grinch.

You've got barbecue back there?

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Stampeding Buckeye's picture

I actually prefer a coach that isn't beholden to a specific play calling philosophy or concept. By having a certain culture and mindset, as well as maximizing the talents of the players one has, a coach can be successful using many schemes/ concepts and not be predictable. I think Grinch will be a great coach for us.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

I just hope he teaches our defensive backs to turn and see the ball when covering a receiver. I don't care for Shiano's version.

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BuckeyeJay's picture

It's not "Schiano's version" 

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whobdis's picture

No it's not Schiano's...one can do a search and find the variables that go into the decision as to whether a DB turns. I wish they would put a sticky note somewhere so we don't get this response so often. Actually Speilman had a pretty explanation of it and said almost everyone uses that technique..even in the NFL. It's frustrating to have people blame the players

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Well, these players didn't start this until Schiano got here and When Ash was coaching we had far less PI calls and more interceptions. And I do remember the beginning of this past season someone in the press mentioning Schiano had players do this in the NFL.

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BuckeyeJay's picture

This isn't true. Coombs has been teaching it for years, dating back to when he was at UC. More experienced players and plays where there is a boundry preventing the WR from getting away, or crossing routes, they turn and look, otherwise they play the eyes and rip through the ball. 

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

What? The interceptions is largely a wash.. interestingly both had defenses with way more interceptions in their first season and significantly dropped the following year.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I missed the story about Schiano taking another job. I am thrilled he's with us - Grinch - but he's been here 5 minutes and suddenly the headline is : What to expect from Alex Grinch's Buckeye defense in 2018. Who knew he was hired to take over ?

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Lighteyes's picture

Schiano hasn't officially taken another job yet, but he wants to get back into the NFL, so with seven new head coaches, it's near-universally believed that he'll get-and-accept an offer from somewhere in the next couple of weeks. As far as I can tell, almost everybody thinks he's gone to a defensive coordinator-level position somewhere in the NFL.

Given that Meyer and OSU still haven't officially announced Grinch's title, I'm betting that they already knew that Schiano wanted an NFL offer and they're just waiting for things to settle out before naming Grinch's official position as DC.

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OSUBias's picture

That’s not entirely true, he did officially take the Tennessee job before they all went off the deep end. 

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BuckeyeJay's picture

That pre-snap movement by the d-line is just nasty. Can you imagine an oline coming out and identifying where Bosa, Jones, and Young are, then all of a sudden it's totally different? 

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Although I know Bosa, Young, and Cooper will be great, I think it's the DTs who will really shine in this defense-- the late stemming on the DL will give our fast-twitch interior guys like Jones and especially Landers a huge advantage against the bigger, slower OGs/Cs they'll be facing.

Combining better interior penetration with the extreme outside pressure our DEs bring every snap is going to take this defense to the next level-- and it was already dominant.

If this indeed what we're going to see next year, the Silver Bullets are going to be insanely dangerous! Once again, can it be September yet?

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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TMac's picture

So long as he works well with Larry Johnson, and collaborates on any "late movement" schemes. 

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Ethos's picture

Exactly, don't touch Larry's players please, the man is an artist.

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buckzilla1's picture

I like the hire. I love the aggression type defense with a get turn over attitude. 

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

I anticipate better linebacker play

Mark May is a mental midget

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buckeyepastor's picture

I like the sound of more stunts, twists, movement, etc., provided the personnel groups can digest it all.  It feels like for a while now, our defenses have not felt the need to do a lot of fancy stuff, just win battles because we have better players.  But taking advantage of shifting gaps and other things will be a lot of fun to watch.  

I hope we continue to be a very sound tackling team while focusing on turnovers.  Been a few years since we felt like a “ball hawk” defense.  Though, “tackling the ball” can lead to surrendering more yards.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Buck68's picture

[1] “We all want them big, fast and ready, but if you’re not able to get those, you have to be willing to compromise something,” Grinch says. “The decision was made that we will not make an athletic compromise."

[2] That philosophy is espoused in a mantra each Cougar defender was taught to practice on every single play:

[3] Gaps: Identify your gap responsibility in the running game before the snap
Leverage: Know who is supposed to spill the ball outside, contain the runner inside, or act as the force player to make a tackle on outside runs
[4] Check-down: Once you've fulfilled your specific responsibilities on the play-call, find the ball-carrier
Rally: All eleven players must hustle to the ball and attempt to make a play on every single snap

Even a piece o' Grinch, is a tsunami of learning.   ;-{)}

So before the latest 'spring forward'... a few thoughts on a couple bits o' this piece.  First, i start where i'm not supposed to - somewhere in the middle.  Then, i start without resolving definitions of terms, which is only essential to communicating, and learning.  But of course...that won't strop me!  LOL.  So i arbitrarily divide Grinch's extract into 4 parts:

[1]  one could say i have already, and continue to, compromise on that which i have not yet defined but have already compared.  ;-{)}

[2]  a 'philosophy' in a 'mantra' is like 'life' in a licking that keeps on ticking.

[3]  there are a few 'gaps' here... and what if they "pass" or "change" after you 'find your gap'?  I don't have enough info to assess what is going on... but i do to ask questions, unless i desire to go down that river 'without a clue'....   ;-{)}

[4]  "once i have fullfilled...." it's over.  This reminds me of the several times UFM has said after, "we should have done more".  Somehow, after never be comes more ...before. 

hmmm... there is enough 'smart stuff' and 'dumb stuff' in this post to remind me why it is both so helpful...and so rare ...to start at the beginning...   ;-{)}

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Buck298's picture

Well, that’s one way to put it. 

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CamelBuck88's picture

Everything is saying Schiano is going to the NFL in some capacity, what if, stay with me here; Vrabel brings Schiano to the Titans as DC. With LeBeau out as DC; Schiano makes some sense. Tennessee would implode if this happens. Secretly hoping it does.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Potential side bonus - we get LeBeau in some capacity as a D advisor/consultant/whatever he wants to help with.

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MNBuck's picture

It gives me pause when mentioned that Grinch does not rely on systems as much as he does his athletes... The problem with this is athletes tire over the course of games. A great system, (i.e. New England Patriots) never tires. 

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GVerrilli92's picture

I don't think that means he doesn't build systems. To me it means that he doesn't stick to a system with zero regard to who he is putting in that system. It seems that he's smart enough to build a multiple defense that takes advantage of the skillsets of the players who are currently on the field. 

Just imagine Jordan Fuller coming up into the box on that stem-over call. It's honestly a little reminiscent of Heacock's defenses.

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MauricXe's picture

Reading this makes me less excited for this hire.

The shifting before snap seems kinda gimmicky.  I'd have to think it hurts the linemen coming out of their stances and that the advantage vs. an experience OLine is minimal. Perhaps this was a tradeoff given WSU's (lack of) talent.

I'm also reluctant to switch from "limiting yards" and "going for turnovers". Make the tackle first. It's hard enough to bring down some of these physical backs in our conference. There's no need to let someone run extra yards. That adds up.

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Nutinpa's picture

I sure as hell am not a coach....but I wouldn't read too much into the piece about Grinch.  

Two things that stood out to me: 

1.  Gap responsibility is first; when our D forgot about this at certain times in the past 2 seasons, bad things happened. When they stayed gap focused, nobody gained a yard on them.

2.  Focus on Turnovers;  when our D handed the O field position on a silver platter, they took advantage of it;  when they didn't or couldn't , the Offense was challenged to drive the field.  

Again, I am in no position to judge, but if Grinch is teaching aggressiveness, silver-bullet style, with his stamp on it, then I give him the benefit of any doubt until shown otherwise.

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OSUBias's picture

To further that point, we already made a bit of the move towards TOS vs yardage under Schiano. Greg espouses the pass rushers to get their hands in throwing lanes rather than launching themselves in an effort to get a sack. Meyer has openly admitted he was skeptical about it until he saw the stars and saw the impact it had in practice. And we end up with deflections and INTs or QB fumbles as they knock the ball out of the QB’s hands (see Darnold, Sam). Not a bad trade-off. 

For me the key to all of this is gap/job discipline. I don’t think there was anything fundamentally wrong with our defensive structure, we just lost discipline too often this year. Whether it’s LBs or pass rushing or DB’s, if one guy isn’t exactly where he needs to be the whole thing breaks down. 

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MauricXe's picture

good responses from you both.

I am all for an emphasis on gap responsibility. That will be a game changer.

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Boom777's picture

I truly believe we need some young blood in the staff. They seem to need some new and fresh ideas. The cheese is old and moldy....

Wherever you are, there you be!

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NOBLUE's picture

Grinch's defense?? and all along i thought Shiano was the D coordinator

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ohiopanda's picture

I like it - he's obviously been doing something right. Can't wait for the season to start

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NOBLUE's picture

OLD = BAD    YOUNG = GOOD

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RJKDragon's picture

the requirement that his team plays with maximum effort at all times

Money talks, bullsh** walks.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Harbaugh is gonna go crazy - if we successfully and continually make them jump !!!! 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Turfgrad's picture

5-0?  Yeah Baby!

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Seattle Linga's picture

It's gonna be a fun year for sure.

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I am hoping that we have several true freshman that contribute immediately. Defensive mostly but offensive also. Just like Dobbins last year... talent will get seen and doors will open.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Not a fan of the go for the strip before the tackle philosophy. Nothing worse the watching a guy rumble for extra yardage while the defender is just nipping at the ball.

Noon games suck

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dvo45's picture

Grinch built to a defense to mirror Mike Leach and his Air Raid Offense

At Ohio State he will be apart of building a defense to reflect what Coach Meyer wants 

At WSU he had to do that stemming/movement to create negative plays and "get the ball back" 

As...he had to rely on the stemming/movement to overcome their athletic disadvantages 

At Ohio State, he just needs to make sure everybody is lined up and knows what their are supposed to do...they will have a man advantage over everybody they play until the bowl game (most likely) 

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

Thanks for this great write up Kyle! It seems that we'll be running multiple fronts, hopefully nothing involving a 3-3-5 like UM does. I admired his multiple fronts but I wonder if they were just good at a bunch of fronts and not elite at any of them. 

Get dumped then

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Buck68's picture

no scheme is a panacea in a dynamic competitive game of many factors, people, and iterating situations.

the quiver playbook should be full of arrows... not some 'big' arrow i really like.

so the leader leads by selecting which arrows [people & attributes; tactics & techniques] to shoot... every play.

====imo 'elite' is fine for where one draws the numbers line.  But the substance of the matter in the game is outcompeting by improvising, adapting, and overcoming where the playcall is the cyclical starting point, not the finishing line.

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Buck68's picture

AA Buckeye - IMO you have pointed toward a strategic situational distinction vital to our operational [practical] success.

In skill development, we set the  bar at perfect, then practically start ranking and ranging what the individual does to best better himself.

in the game, we keep trying to find/create and exploit  relative advantage, i.e. compared to our opponent.  That only 'works'... [or not] for the moments of A-B, 4-6.

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dvo45's picture

And for the love of being a Defensive Coordinator...somebody in the equipment room get this man a real HAT!

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CowCat's picture

I like the shifts and slanting concepts, but I hope we don't do those every down. Otherwise they will become predictable.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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CowCat's picture

I like the shifts and slanting concepts, but I hope we don't do those every down. Otherwise they will become predictable.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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