Zack Grossi, Shrine Game Quarterbacks Coach and NFL Assistant, Fully Expects J.T. Barrett to Succeed at Next Level

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Brandon26841's picture

J.T. Barrett's passing limitations held back the offense for the past 3 years. The offenses put up good numbers against pedestrian defenses, but usually couldn't throw the ball worth a crap against defenses with a pulse.

HOWEVER. If an NFL team can somehow get the J.T. Barrett that showed up during the Penn State game and get that out of him consistently? That was absolutely a guy that could stick on an NFL roster. He's got that in him, but we literally saw it maybe, what... 2-3 times in his career? I watch a TON of football, and have for the past 10 years, and usually Barrett on any given Saturday is no where close to an NFL QB. He does not throw guys open and will only pull the trigger when they're sitting wide open in a zone. That will not fly in the NFL. Has no deep ball game to speak of. But I'm sure all of the intangible factors / leadership ability is true, and maybe he's one of those guys that will get better in the pros. Again, Penn State game version of Barrett is an NFL player for sure. 

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cdub4's picture

Great points. I always wondered if a lot of JT's problems were mental. Most fans, on either side of the JT debates can admit that he doesn't have an elite arm. His issues were compounded by not pulling the trigger on time and locking in on receivers. I could see some of JT's issues manifesting more in games than in practice.

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Brandon26841's picture

I could see some of JT's issues manifesting more in games than in practice.

Very good point. I actually believed Meyer when he said that J.T. Barrett was one of their best practice players and "it was clear he's ahead of the other QBs". I'm sort of the same way... I usually tore it up in practice because, well... we're talking about practice! The stakes aren't the same. The lights aren't as bright. If you make a mistake, big deal... it's practice. In a game is another story. When I made a mistake in a game it really messed with my head and then you have hesitancy and you get trigger shy. 

Barrett just needs to let go of the fear. The fear of making a mistake. I was just shaking my head watching Hornibrook and McSorely in their post-season games because those dudes were slinging the ball around and simply not giving a shit. They were giving their guys a chance, and that's something Barrett rarely did. His slow release is a problem, but his arm is not incredibly weak. I'm rooting for the guy and hope he can put it all together. 

Also, that post will be obliterated, I'm sure. It's already taken 4 downvotes in like the past 40 seconds haha. Apparently those weren't great points, Cdub...

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Silver Sniper's picture

Yeah I've noticed the players play with the same tenseness that Urban exhibits on the sideline, afraid to make a mistake. I wish they would play more loose and take more risks like a USC-type team during the Carrol era.

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cdub4's picture

To piggyback on what you said, JT's arm isn't horrible, but the key is if you have AVERAGE arm strength at your particular level, to excel you much have above average to excellent anticipation and timing and accuracy, and that can make you an excellent QB. I don't believe JT has those qualities though.

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jpfbucks01's picture

I think that at times we as fans have focused a bit too much on the games when JT did not perform well and have forgotten or want to discount the games against good team when he did.

There is no doubt that in several games against good teams he did not have great days especially throwing the ball, I dont dispute that.

But I do think he had more good games against good/great defenses that we tend to discount or ignore

Going back over his 4 years I found at least 10 games against good/great teams where he played well.

Those 10 games are 2014 - MSU and UM, 2015 - ND UM and PSU, 2016 - OKL, Wsc, and PSU, 2017 - PSU and MSU

in those 10 games JT completed 169 of 249 or 67.9%, He threw for 1718 yards with 20 TDs vs just 4 INTs and ran for another 834 yards and 13 TDs

That's a QB rating of 149.1 in 10 games against good teams. That would have been good enough for ranking 23rd nationally this past season. It is also an average of 83 rushing yards per game and 1.3 rushing TDs plus 2 Passing TDs per game.

The issue was that for every game like these against good competition there was a game like the last 3 this year, or Clemson last year, or UM last year etc

So for me it was more an issue of which one would show up on game day. The guy who lit up OKl or MSU or PSU etc or the one who looked inept against Clemson, etc

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Brandon26841's picture

Not sure if you're one of my downvoters, but plus 1 to you. Good post you have there, and I love when people back up what they say with statistics. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Great points. I wonder if the Iowa game was a product of him playing without a doubt the best game of his career (up there with ‘14 MSU, but the comeback outweighs it to me). Think about it...Urban stresses protecting the football to his QBs. I think a lot of JTs hesitation in pulling the trigger until his guys were open came from that mindset. So he goes out and plays lights out against PSU, which would obviously give him more confidence. So maybe he went into the Iowa game thinking he should try to make more contested throws? Some of the INTs, were just bad reads like the first one, and admittedly, I couldn’t bring myself to watch much of that game.  Just spitballing a bit here, because like you said, that player is in there, we just didn’t get it on a regular basis against the top competition. 

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Buck68's picture

JT is an intriguing QB NFL prospect because his 'character' attributes are off the charts but he brings a big mystery about his decision-making during execution.

IMO those that say he 'has' or 'doesn't have' an 'NFL arm' are missing the minor point that the concept that 'football is 90% mental' requires an arm 'good enough'.  Good enough is a skill range from 'better than average' to our 'arm strength' heroes.  JT has a 'good enough' arm and other physical skills.

JT has demonstrated NFL-level, game-long skill performance.  And, he is VERY inconsistent - one might say inexplicably so.  Therefore this is largely a mental issue.  The NFL team with an excellent QB coach will find JT a willing student and hard worker.  Resolve JT's execution decision-making issues... and QB's such as Drew Brees come to mind....

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TPMBuck's picture

It can also be the other way - my boss's brother is one of the on-air talents at NFL network. In talking to him he mentioned in the case of both Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow that mentally they both knew exactly where they should be throwing the ball and made their decisions quickly - but their body just couldn't deliver the ball accurately/fast enough as needed.

I'm hopeful JT will turn out to be a great pro and not another Quinn/Tebow. He certainly has the work ethic and brain and character to get there - jury still out on arm strength/accuracy.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Don’t fully agree, but not downvoting you. You made some solid points. 

What it made me think of is this... What will JTB be like in an offense where he can focus on just being a QB and not a RB?  

The NFL uses some read option, but is far less dependent on it than Meyer.  But Meyer is right in the sense that it is a major advantage in the college game.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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cricejr's picture

I guess watching a TON of football puts you on par with GMs and NFL scouts.  Good to know. 

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

it surely puts you at or above the level of the Browns front office. 

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KidfromAK's picture

I think looking at a scouting report would put you ahead of that circus

Running back not Blocking back

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Just draft someone from Ohio State and you are already ahead. 

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Barnsey69's picture

Winner winner chicken dinner...outstanding sir.

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Brandon26841's picture

So if J.T. goes undrafted... was I wrong?

Did I miss something where GMs and scouts were high on Barrett's NFL prospects?

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stuckupnorth's picture

Agreed, I am sure handleds himself like a pro. What I did not see a lot in the article is them mentioning his talent as a QB. There is numerous QBs coming out that their coach will say he is best leader they have ever been around. Also they work harder and is the first in last out. They are the most competitive person they have ever seen. Fact is a NFL needs to be able to make plays. 

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Marcus Hall's Middle Fingers's picture

LOL, you "watch a TON of football". LOL

I used to watch those shows where the guys built the awesome choppers. That stuff was on TV all the time in the early 2000s and I watched a TON of it. And yet I'm self-aware enough to know that I'm not qualified to step foot in a garage or one of those outfits. Actually, I'd be an asshole if I thought watching television qualified me to go build custom motorcycles, or even evaluate the guys who do that for a living. 

LOL

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Brandon26841's picture

Man, that line is getting a ton of flack hahaha. Basically, what I meant was... I'm huge into the NFL draft. I have been for years and years. It's not incredibly hard to see when guys are surefire studs at QB and will be high round picks, guys that have a chance at being good backups for years but maybe have a few things holding them back (accuracy, arm strength, size, etc), and then guys that maybe were great college players but you just felt their game wouldn't translate. Collin Klein at Kansas State is a decent, somewhat recent example. 

I never stated I was an expert on the game of football. Far from it. But if anyone has watched 4 straight years of J.T. Barrett and thinks to themselves "this guy is a no doubt NFL QB" then... well, I don't know what to say. I think physically, he's got the talent. There are QBs with less physical gifts collecting NFL paychecks. I'm intrigued to see what he can do outside of the Urban Meyer offense, which is far from pro-style to say the least. Literally all I've stated in these posts is that we have all see with our own eyes J.T.'s limitations (Clemson, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Michigan games recently) and his upside (he was unreal against Penn State). Can he find the consistency? Maybe it's mental as others have suggested. Maybe it was the structure of the offense. Maybe he, like 95% of all starting D1 QBs, is talented but just not NFL talented, and there is no shame in that.   

I think maybe it would be wise to wait until after the draft to shit on my OPINION that Barrett probably isn't an NFL QB. Because again, if he goes undrafted... was my line of thinking wrong? It's not a fact I'm stating, it was an opinion that may or may not be shared with the actual experts. We'll see. 

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58Buckeye's picture

Man, that line is getting a ton of flack hahaha. Basically, what I meant was...

I had a fifth grade teacher who would always tell me "If your mouth is running you are not listening, which in turn means you are not learning". As it turns out she was correct. It only took me 20 years to realize that. I am now 59, and find it much easier to admit that I was wrong when I was in 5th grade.

The funny thing is that this known "football guy" (works in the NFL) has an opinion of J.T. & said he thinks J.T. will make it in the NFL. But because you have so much experience watching TV, you think we should all know he is wrong by your expertise.

This was a positive story about J.T.Barrett IIII. Maybe you should have read the story & thought, hmmmm maybe he saw something I missed. 

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Brandon26841's picture

Boy, somebody's got their panties in a wad. You get a little sensitive when people don't blatantly throw praise upon J.T., huh? That's fine, but how is me stating my opinion that for the majority of his collegiate career the guy did not look like an NFL QB BUT maybe with some NFL level coaching he could get to that point really that bad? I then brought up the Penn State game as evidence of what he is capable of, but can he get that out consistently? I felt it was a pretty relevant comment to the article, considering he's getting NFL level coaching for the first time and seemed to be impressing in practice (before he went 1/7 for 12 yards and a fumble in the game). I wasn't bashing J.T., but it is what it is. 

I am now 59, and find it much easier to admit that I was wrong when I was in 5th grade.

I wasn't wrong about anything. What a pointless little side story you threw in there...

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58Buckeye's picture

I wasn't wrong about anything. What a pointless little side story you threw in there...

You may have been feeling a little guilty there. I was not implying that you were wrong, I was stating that she was right when she said, "I wasn't learning because my mouth was running, therefore I wasn't listening". I simply meant that I didn't beleive her until years later when I had gained more wisdom. Now I am merely passing that wisdom on to you. +1 to you.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

The bottom 15% of the base are like Chatty Cathy dolls...pull the string and they say the same 5 things.  He is the winningest qb in program history and played a major role in our title season till he got hurt.  Though people are willing to speculate, we have no idea how that season turns out if JT finishes it.  It will be interesting to watch these same people make Meyer the scapegoat if the team doesn't win it all under the next signal caller.  The force is strong with BUQB Guy who thinks he has has his finger on the pulse.

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JCam061588's picture

So what held the offense back when Cardale was starting? Lack of arm strength? Stop it. Look at the numbers, actually look at the performances. All QB’s have limitations & JT is no different & even with his faults the problem with offensive consistency the last few years have been present regardless of the arm talent of the QB. The primary issues has been consistency & execution both of which stem from the historically high turnover OSU has had to deal with the last 4 years. JT had 3 different QB coaches & OC’s during his time at OSU. Each year he lost arguably his best weapon from the season before often early & even unexpected. We shouldn’t be shocked he dealt with consistency issues since the offense as a whole dealt with consistency issues from playcalling to execution. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Good post.  What I have learned in discussing sports/politics etc with people is that they form their beliefs and simply take new adverse evidence and spin it to support those beliefs.  Cardale was the starting qb for 3 very important games in 14-15.  They scaled the playbook down for him, wouldn't let him throw into the middle of the field.  He threw a bunch of 50/50 balls that Devin bailed him out on.  He made a number of mistakes in those games and his numbers were mostly "meh."  Then when he was given a chance to win the the job in 2015 he completely fell on his face.  But to Championship Guy, because "he" won those three games that were only a part of a title run, Cardale can do no wrong and they rewrite history.  2015 is now Meyer's fault because he didn't know how to utilize a qb like Cardale, couldn't make up his mind, etc.  Cardale played decent in those 3 games--we won a title because of the O-line, Zeke, and a defense that was playing at an extremely high level at the end--Cardale went along for the ride.   That is the truth.

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Brandon26841's picture

You're not wrong when it comes to Cardale in 2015. I agree with you there. No QB stood a shot with that mess of a situation. 

I think I really expected a huge jump in progress with Barrett this season with Kevin Wilson coming over, but it really never happened. I felt playcalling and the horrendous scheme they ran really was holding back both Barrett and the passing game, because he looked better as a frosh with Herman running the show then he ever did in 2015 and 2016. I understood that. It's been hard to say what the main issues have been, but it's fair to say Barrett himself, the receivers, the OL pass pro (last year mainly), and first and foremost the scheme and playcalling have all played a factor in the passing game deficiencies. Did Meyer construct the offense the way it was to protect Barrett in a way because he knows of his limitations, or was that just the offense he wanted to run? I think it's a little of both more than likely. We'll know a lot more after next season. If Haskins is back there letting it fly 30+ times a game, throwing deep all over the place, then I think we'll have a more clear picture of why the 2017 passing game was the way it was. All of the receivers will be back, same play callers... losing some big pieces on the OL though.  

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is a very even handed and fair post.  I just get so sick of posts bashing JT every single time anything at all is said nice about him because apparently the free entertainment he provided wasn't good enough for the bottom 15% of the fan base (the spoiled brats).  He isn't even a Buckeye anymore, time to stop bagging on him and for these people to find a new scapegoat.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

I hope he is. What he did at Ohio State is history, literally. So looking forward, I hope JT has a tremendous professional career and makes himself a lot of money. 

Stop beating a dead horse and talking about some of his bad days as a Buckeye. That narrative is so 2017. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Keep driving to get better everyday JT - the future is yours.

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Blackcoffee's picture

get the paycheck! f*ck naysayers( and naybobs and neer-do-wells), lol

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Sanantonefan's picture

Lots of QBs have been passably effective in the NFL without great arms. Lots of QBs with great arms have not been effective at all. There is more to being a quarterback than passing the ball (although obviously, it is one of the more important aspects). JT has shown he will do what it takes. I hope he makes it. If not, it won't be because he didn't put in the work!

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Buck68's picture

well said, Sanantonefan

Buck68

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I am Kirok's picture

There are other Buckeye's at the senior bowl, right? 

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Yes, and there have been articles (and will continue to be articles I am guessing) on all of them. But none of them play under the QB microscope. 

Not my dv btw

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I am Kirok's picture

My questioning of that is because this has been the third article in what seems like two days. The NFL career isn't happening no matter how hard the staff pushes for him. The film is there and no matter what he does in practice its not replacing him crapping the bed against stiff competition. Bring on the DV's since truth is treason here lately.

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UrbanCulture's picture

Staff will do JT barrett stories as long as readers flock to them in droves.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Truth or opinion? Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. Most college QBs don't, so you are not really going out on a limb here (but no DVs from me).

There were also articles on Webb and Worley. In fact, Webb has had as many as JT. If the coaching staff points something out about a Buckeye, the 11W staff normally reports it. Obviously, as QB is the most high profile position, it will get reported on the most.

BTW, the Senior Bowl practices don't start until 23 Jan. I'm sure 11W will have lots of coverage.

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brandonbauer87's picture

The 2014 version is still in there. If you can tap that and build upon his mental improvement, he can be a serviceable QB. I think the glowing reviews from this week are a very positive sign for his career. 

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BrutusB's picture

You don't have to look too hard to find it. The 2017 version was basically the same as the '14 version (same completion percentage, less than a yard difference on YPA, +1 TD and -1 INT).

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avail31678's picture

Absolutely rooting for JT!!

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linepilot15's picture

I would love to see JT make it. I will be surprised if he does.

linepilot

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Firedup's picture

With the right team structure I'm sure 2014 JT can be unlocked. The problem is getting into the right situation. 

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moopdawg's picture

Damn!  Good stuff.  Let's go, JT!!!

My 3 wishes for the Ohio State offense:

1. Less read option 

2.  Less designed qb runs

3.  More plays under center

Always a Buckeye, I hope JT succeeds at the next level and continues to represent the university with class.

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Nutinpa's picture

I don't want to sound like a smart ass, dawg, but those 3 things you want to see less of are all cornerstones (not plays under center, lol) of Urban Meyer's offense. You are (and many among us) underestimating what it will take to see "less of" those 3 items in the future. I wouldn't bet what I couldn't afford on seeing those changes.

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moopdawg's picture

That's why it's a wish list, man.  

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Nutinpa's picture

Ah very good....got me there, dawg!

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Nutinpa's picture

Ah very good....got me there, dawg!

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moopdawg's picture

Hahaha :)  All good, bro.  You know, one can dream...

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Steelydan54's picture

We don’t know how he was coached to play st OSU. He could be very hesitant to throw into smaller windows, but my sense is that Urban is VERY risk averse (see Cotton Bowl, second half) and trusted JTs legs and head more than the forward pass. We got glimpses of the NFL potential JT but that’s all. I hope he proves a lot of people wrong (me included).

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

my sense is that Urban is VERY risk averse 

Agreed. I'll bet he puts 90% of his net salary into municipal bonds.

Meyer is a disciple of the "win the surest way" philosophy. The most common way, for a very talented team to lose to a less talented team, is to make mistakes and turn the ball over. He and his coaches bust their butts to recruit elite talent, and they work to build a culture where everyone is prepared to play hard, A to B, 4-6. So far, at Ohio State, UFM could say, "90% of the time, it works every time."

It's not always fun to watch, but of UFM's 8 losses at Ohio State, 6 were to good teams, and only 2 (in 81 games) were to average (Virginia Tech, Iowa) teams. 

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GOOMBAY's picture

But let’s hear from casual fans some more...

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

That was my first thought as well. Please fans who have never stepped on an Ohio State practice field tell me that Coach Meyer who is with these guys day in and day out doesn’t know who the best quarterback on the roster is.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Bet you'll be happy when you are stopped being forced to read the comments section, lol.

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SM_Chi's picture

Prove the haters and doubters wrong, JT! You got this!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Wow, that is a ringing endorsement!  I hope a quality team organization gets JT.  He could be a huge asset in many ways.  Keep grinding, JT.

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OSUTexan's picture

For his own sake, I hope he can be a backup and pick up a nice check.  There's nothing wrong with making $1MM+ per year.

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Desymond's picture

Cardale living that life right now, and good for him. 

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CamelBuck88's picture

Hoping JT will be taken by the Steelers. Imagine a read-option look with Bell or him passing to the receivers like AB or JuJu. Their offense runs quicker passing routes and will give JT the option to go off his first/second read, the OL sets up pretty well too to keep him cleaner in the pocket.

Ben's only got so many (2-3) years left that he'd like to play and those are his words.

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stuckupnorth's picture

You can’t run read option on a consistent basis in the NFL. Factor in the injury history with JT. Also if we thought the Indiana’s of the college football world didn’t respect JT arm and sold out to the run the NFL would single coverage with no safeties at all. If he can’t beat college teams the NFL will just laugh.

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TJG32's picture

Just what I expected from the kid. Haven’t we seen this during his time at tOSU?

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toad1204's picture

Makes a difference when the guys you're throwing to can actually haul in a pass when its not on the numbers.  Get yours JT.  

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PittBuckeye's picture

The wrs had some drops, but that happens in the NFL too, can't really place all the blame on those guys. He's had his fair share of NFL receiving talent on the roster.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Some people feel like Coach Meyer played J.T. out of loyalty, to me it’s clear J.T. was the starting QB because he was the best quarterback on the roster. 

I don’t know if J.T. Barrett will be a 10-15 year pro or not, but there are quarterbacks heading into or already in the Hall of Fame that had far more limitations and less heralded college careers than J.T. Barrett. Good luck in the pros captain!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I really hope Barrett proves the doubters, naysayers, and “he will never make it at the next level”ers wrong.

Keep on keepin’ on, JT, and good things will happen. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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58Buckeye's picture

If Bill Belichick was to take J.T.  all the doubters, naysayers, and “he will never make it at the next level”ers would crap their pants.

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danavh4's picture

Watch the epic meltdown thread when JT throws nothing but seeds and complete a few long balls this weekend. All the blame will shift to coaching, Urban Meyer, Wilson, day. #alwayssomeonesfault lol. Good news is no matter what...JT is the man and _ichigan still sucks!

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fishleehooker's picture

I've been saying it all along: this guy is good enough to be the best backup QB in the league; the type of guy that can play when the starter is hurt and win a game.  He can start too, of course.  BUt at the least, this guy is a professional football player and an asset to any locker room.  I'm really glad that Haskins Martell and Burrow were able to be around that part of him. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Best backup in the league is bold. You got guys like Jimmy G who was a backup. Hundley, J Brisset(INDY),P mahomes(not proven but a top ten pick)Drew Stanton.JT gonna have a hard time making a roster. He just don’t have the ability to beat NFL QB, and if he does Urban and the staff butchered his time here

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smibr37's picture

If Christian Hackenburg can make an NFL roster and last more than one year, anyone has a chance.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Hackenburg is bout out of league. Also he throws a way better ball. Can make more of the throws.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Hackenburg might be a bust but there is a reason he was one of the top recruits in the nation. As well as being a second round pick.The potential has always been there. The same can not be said about JT. The thing everyone keeps saying about JT is his leadership. The is the only thing people say. There is never anything about playing QB.An NFL Gm and his scouts are  going to say the same things these boards have said. They will say publically. The will say that to his face. I hope JT has a great career and proves me wrong. I wish no ill will on him. However his back is up against the wall big time.If he played for any other team besides Buckeyes this board would laugh and call him overrated. They would say the same things they say about Hawaii and Texas Tech QBs of the past. A GM and Scout will say he does not have great sized,does not make the correct reads, weak arm,is not accurate, cant throw over the top,does not throw guys open, holds ball too long, lacks confidence in his physical ability, inability to fit ball in tight window, lack of arm limits the throws he can make, also lack of arm strength allows DB to recover,system QB,was not asked to run a complex offense, played out of shotgun, not asked to carry a team with his arm, will struggle to make sideline throws, does not throw on the run very well,has regressed throwing the ball over last couple years instead of improving, is older than most rookies, injury concerns,and some questionable off field decisions(leader or not), they will ask why defenses stacked the box every game against them and what makes him think he can beat an NFL DB when he couldn't beat a mid tier big ten DB?The GM will look at tape and see him missing throw after throw both near and far. They will also see him not throwing to correct receiver or throwing a guy open or to a spot. They aren't going to buy the WR dropped everything and they sucked myth. They don't care  about dropped balls. They will look at field and say he left a throw on the table he and there and there. They will see him not pulling the trigger and holding the ball and then throwing something under neath. They will see points left on the board. They will not look at it as a fan but as  a business decision. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Not sure the down votes. You homers are out of control.Fact NFL GM viewed Hackenburg as a better prospect.He went 2 round If JT goes higher than Hackenburg i will eat crow.Downvote again with your uninformed scarlet glasses on. You guys and your blind allegiance to Meyer and JT are ruining this site.What throws can JT make that Hackenburg cant. Please answer down voters. Thats right there aint.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

It's only imaginary downsides, Stuck.....I get what you are saying. We all have opinions. Just take comfort knowing that there will be a select few JT fanatics that will be quick to post, next season, when Haskins throws his first interception, something like " miss JT yet" and they'll see nothing wrong with it.

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stuckupnorth's picture

You right,I try not to let the foolishly placed downvote get to me. I see you got one as well. LOL. That said next year miss him yet will be in full effect. Can’t use logic with some. 

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smibr37's picture

He looked fantastic as a frosh at PSU when he had a great o-line.  Accuracy has dipped lately (see below). I'm not here to bash your opinions or downvote anyone, and I get what you are saying in your posts.  But if JT gets in the correct system, he may be able to hang around for a couple of years as a 3rd string/practice player. There's always that one QB that hangs on a roster that makes you wonder how did he make the roster.  Heck, the Cowboys backup QB was just their training camp rep guy until he blew up in some of the pre-season games and earned a roster spot. 

JT as a backup/2nd stringer?  That journey continues tomorrow at the Shrine game. 

.http://www.businessinsider.com/christian-hackenberg-throws-hitting-reporters-jets-workouts-2017-6

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stuckupnorth's picture

I agree with you. I think he will get a shot and maybe make some money. I don’t think Hackenburg is all world either.I was just frustrated that these guys down vote me. For no reason.

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B1Gspeed's picture

Also he throws a way better ball. Can make more of the throws.

Yup, he has the arm strength and can hit reporters on the sideline in practice. LOL. 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Yeah, but this Zack Grossi guy didn't get a chance to evaluate Haskins....

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WezBuck28's picture

I would absolutely shit my pants if the browns took him with the first overall pick..

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Pretty obvious that Zach Grossi isn't a full time coach, because he spends too much time trolling The 11w constituents

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BrutusB's picture

"Grossi then added 'But what I've seen from Haskins on film?  WOW.' before quickly running away"

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

So if JT Barrett goes to the NFL and becomes an MVP and wins the superbowl, are we supposed to not think we have a deficiency in Columbus when it comes to developing talent overall? We knew it has been an issue with the WRs, but I thought JT's issues were just JT's issues and the only problem the staff had was sticking with him when he should've been replaced...

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cuttyrock's picture

JT imho is a rhythm passer. If he completes a few early on or a few in a row. His confidence goes through the roof. If he has turnovers or makes bad reads he can be a head case because he slows down and locks in on wr. He has shown flashes of being a really good qb. He can improve arm strength and accuracy. The thing I will never say about JT is you know he will put in the work so he has a chance. He needs the right fit and maybe sit the bench for a few seasons. Late round pick maybe have that option.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Always felt that way about JTB. Herman seemed to know best how to get JTB into rhythm. I don’t think his arm strength is terrible.  I do think he can overthink and outthink himself... leading to his timing issues. To me, when his timing is 1/2 second he’s at his worst.  I think Beck and Warinner ruined his timing, seeking perfection & hyper ball security. 

But like against PSU in 2017 when his timing is on, he’s throwing darts and throwing guys open and he’s on target. Some team needs to work with him on timing and he can make it in the league. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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chirobuck's picture

I mean honestly....what is he supposed to say......I will remain skeptical 

 

^ best post ever ^

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

He could have just said something short and sweet and left it at that. Instead, he made it a point to elaborate on how much he liked what he saw from Barrett and he said he will be an NFL quarterback. He didn’t have to say that, but he did.

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Sanantonefan's picture

One point to remember is that JT's coaches coached him to be the best he could be in a college football system. NFL teams don't like their QBs to run much (except Cam Newton) because they pay them too much money to risk them getting hurt, and there aren't enough that have a competent backup. If JT goes to the NFL and has success, it is not necessarily because our coaches suck. NFL systems are just different. Pro-style offenses do have some success in CFB, but normally CFB offenses have limited success in the NFL.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Yes. I said something similar above. 

Imagine JTB getting to work full time on being a QB (and not also an RB)!  There is still read/option in the NFL but it’s minimal.

The systems are different... as is the amount of time one gets to hone the craft. No more classes and such. Only football. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Hovenaut's picture

Take a moment's pause and think of all the "physically gifted" quarterbacks NFL teams have drafted over the years only to see them fizzle out (for varying reasons) in another moment's notice.

I have no idea what determines a true NFL prospect or not. But I'm confident in saying J.T. Barrett is going to give a professional effort at giving this a go.

Still fighting...for Shannon, for Aunt Barb.

Fuck you, cancer.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Two of the biggest busts in NFL history...Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel... to name two.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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andretolstoy's picture

Hey Hove -

A little tidbit about me. I like watching war/military documentaries and movies, especially about special forces. Usually, those special forces guys are taken from the infantry levels guys/gals who have risen to the top and graded well as grunts. Once they sign-on and are accepted to the more elite groups, they are put through a battery of testing and weeded out until they get a core group that is left. 

An interesting common denominator that I noticed with the Navy Seals and/or Delta Force chosen was that they said it was never the most physically gifted, or "best at" something guys that made it. It was always the guys that "played well with others," who never gave up, and did a lot of little different things really well. 

Anyways. What the hell do I know? Peace out.

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Late to reply - but I'm picking up what you're putting down, AT.

Still fighting...for Shannon, for Aunt Barb.

Fuck you, cancer.

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OSU1978's picture

JT reminds me of Aaron Craft who was so good at so many things.  Unfortunately guards need to shoot and QBs need to pass to play pro in the US.

Go Bucks!

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Hemi14's picture

Fortunately, all the disparaging remarks regarding J T Barrett and his so called deficiencies by the “expert” armchair quarterbacks on this site, are 100% irrelevant. Unless your vast knowledge of the game extends much further than watching games on the tube, it might be wise to see how the NFL personnel evaluate the abilities of one J T Barrett. Let’s rely on their football knowledge and experience. It’s highly doubtful they’ll read your opinions, much less take stock in them.  

Arizona Buckeye

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stuckupnorth's picture

As an unpaid arm chair analyst I believe that my analysis of him will be what most skilled scouts will say. No they don't listen listen to me and I cant blame them. I will bet they say system QB,dont lead/throw receiver,lacks arm strength, does not make timely reads, lacks consistent accuracy, does not make NFL quality throws, lacks arm strength to throw deep ball with accuracy on consistant basis, lacks accuracy on short to intermediate throws, struggles with throwing on the run,ran simplistic offenses older rookie who did not see improvement year to year, lacks confidence in decision making, has not shown ability to beat defenses with arm, has ok measurable for height and weight, and has an injury history. In an interview the GM will also ask about DUI in a playoff run and the domestic disturbance. They aint gonna play around with that on a borderline draft able prospect. On the plus side they will say his is tough as nails',played in a winning environment,is mature, has leadership qualities, has good athletic ability, is coachable, probably a good teammate. If I am wrong about of this please let me know once evaluations start rolling in.

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I am Kirok's picture

That is an excellent point. The NFL scouts have a strong track record of never being wrong. It's not like Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning were once considered a toss up. They all knew Aaron Rodgers was the second coming and I think Tom Brady was a top five pick. They know more but they don't know everything. 

I don't "hate" JT I can't stand this free pass that he gets here. But as a person (DUI and DV aside) he seems to have grown into a good man. I would love to have him coach this team in some capacity as I believe his mind is his most valuable asset.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

I’m a saints fan, and I would love to see them take a chance on him. He’s a great rhythm passer and good distributor. That’s the exact offense Sean Payton runs.

I do not think JT will be the next Drew Brees, but he’s worth a late round selection. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I don't think anyone here wants JT to not have success, I don't think anyone here didn't cheer for JT ever since he signed his LOI to Ohio State, but readong some comments have me chuckling, wondering if Bill Brasky buys JT drinks at the bar.

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DP71's picture

It is important to remember that Barrett adapted himself to Meyer's offense and obviously excelled.  Don't forget that we would have lost the PSU game in 2014 without Barrett and so would not have been in the first CFP nor won the National Championship.  I am definitely not an NFL insider, but I am friendly with a few of them, and would not hesitate to recommend Barrett based upon his ability and leadership skills.

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Sanantonefan's picture

I am also not an NFL insider, and I am not friendly with any, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently. ;)

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stuckupnorth's picture

I think the backup in 2014 proved they could win games without JT.What exactly is JT leadership skills anyways? Is it getting suspended in a playoff run?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

scurry back to your bridge troll, they need their leader.

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stuckupnorth's picture

 Not trying to troll.Do take offense because someone doesn’t agree with you. Calm down. It’s a legitimate question They did win the National Championship without him at the helm. What has he done that sets him apart as far as being a leader? He got suspended in the title run. How is that leadership? Meyer says it all the time. So what. He says every year that this is the most special group I’ve ever been around.Its coach speak. Most all QB are leaders 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

JT will be fine in whatever he does post-college. There may be 500,000 things I will worry about more than this.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Important decisions involving JT Barrett and his football future will be made and our HC won't be asked to determine the results. Wow. In time all things change. Depending on your perspective this is very different than the recent past.
I am looking forward to our future.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Go J.T. Go!!!  I'm guessing there is nothing that motivates a player like J.T. more than 'you're not good enough' or 'you'll never be an NFL QB'.  I truly hope he proves them wrong and lands a spot on an NFL team!  That would be awesome!

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OHBoy74's picture

I think the best job in the NFL is the backup QB.  There isn't a whole lot expected of you if you wind up in the game.  If you can just be a competent game manager who understands the playbook and fill in competently when the number 1 goes down you can have a solid 10+ year career in the NFL as a backup.  I think JT can be a solid backup in the NFL, because he's got the right mentality/work ethic and head for the game.

Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.

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Citrus's picture

I think he also adds something to a QB room. He's smart, reliable, and that rubs off on people. He'd do great in a situation where a team drafts a qb high and has a vet on the team so that he could be in competition with the higher draft pick. I think he'd make the higher pick a hell of a lot better. Or if, somehow the Browns land Cousins. Instead of drafting a QB high, taking JT would be great because he'd make Kizer a hell of a lot better.

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andretolstoy's picture

Grossi is obviously high on several foreign and illegal substances because there is no way JT is getting drafted let alone playing in the NFL. His arm is too weak and he is the most inaccurate QB this side of 1950. He is the reason why Ohio State's offense struggled this year and why we didn't make the CFB Playoffs. 

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smibr37's picture

His arm is too weak and he is the most inaccurate QB this side of 1950.

Besides Bauserman. 

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NYC Buckeye's picture

I love Eleven Warriors.

I love J.T. Barrett.

This is the biggest puff piece I have ever seen on this site.  For J.T., and somebody by the name of Zach Grossi.  C'mon guys... 

Go Bucks.

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Buckeyejohn's picture

You have to take it for what it is. It’s an NFL assistant nobody has heard of praising J.T. at a showcase for the less talented NFL prospects. That being said, the intangibles like work ethic may get him a shot at being a backup somewhere. Backups are asked to help prepare the starter and NFL GM’s may find J.T. valuable in that regard. Will J.T. ever start an NFL game? Pretty doubtful but weirder things have happened. I too wish all this praise was coming from someone more legit, but it’s an off-season fluff piece. Hopefully we will have more to talk about tomorrow if/when Friday commits. 

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I think that JT's knowledge, prep, demeanor, and so on, set him apart and make coaches feel like he will succeed. This obviously occurred with urban too. He says and does all the right things 5 days a week. Game days it seems he slips a bit (sometimes). 

His arm won't wow you, but if he can capitalize on all of his leadership, understanding of the game and offenses, he could be an ok 3 rd stringer or 2nd in the NFL. 

I really don't see why he isn't more interested in coaching. It seems that all coaches love him.... he would have an easy leg up for a great pay at an early age. Hell, if JR cheeseburger can get on board at 24, JT should be able to do the same.

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NYC Buckeye's picture

I agree.  He could easily get a head start on his almost certain coaching career (I think he be a successful coach)... however knowing the competitor he is, seems logical he will pursue his playing career until he has no options... 

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iantrevor's picture

This is, for me, the line that matters most:

"Anyone that’s skeptical about J.T. Barrett has never met him," Grossi said.

He may never be NFL MVP, but there's not a single player or coach he's been around that wouldn't want him on their side.

Mostly unrelated, but I'll write it anyway. I don't watch a ton of college football outside of tOSU games. I do, though, watch as many bowl games as I can. I couldn't help but notice how slow most read options seemed compared to how the Bucks run it. JT rarely makes a bad read and, as mentioned above, if he misses a read it's more than likely a consequence of being too cautious. I'm looking forward to following his career, wherever he lands.

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TossTrap's picture

Grossi wants to be an encouraging and positive influence and that is admirable. Further JT is smart, understands defenses, is hard working and a great leader. All those attributes made him an excellent college QB.

But he has the same thing that killed Tebow's NFL dreams (and Tim worked his ass off trying to overcome it) - it's that his throws are a split second slower getting to the receiver. That won't do in the NFL and I'd be shocked if JT can overcome it.

First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.

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andretolstoy's picture

Funny Grossi doesn't know how to gauge QB talent, but these guys ^ are experts .......

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LawClub's picture

1. Brese has a weenie arm.

2. Jon Kitna.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Concord U. (enrollment 2200) football stadium in Athens, West Virginia, where Zack Grossi played QB 2009 -2012.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Can we get real about Zack Grossi? He's a 20-something entry-level non-position coach. One step above a GA. There are 7 lower level Tampa Bay Bucs staff at the Shrine game. If the Bucs draft JT, then I'll eat crow. But I seriously doubt this 11W article is anything but another puff piece.

Here's some a bit more balanced reporting from Bucs Nation:

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers will be well-represented at this year’s East-West Shrine game. Per Greg Auman of the Tampa Bay Times, they’ll have seven assistants on the East coaching staff.

None of those assistants are highly-placed, though. Dave Borgonzi’s the defensive quality control coach, Skyler Fulton an offensive assistant, Andrew Weidinger the assistant wide receivers and game management coach, Chad Wade the assistant strength and conditioning coach, and Zack Grossi the offensive quality control coach. On the West coaching staff, Danny Breyer is a Bucs defensive assistant, while Joe Vaughn is another assistant strength and conditioning coach.
https://www.bucsnation.com/2018/1/12/16886168/bucs-coaches-well-represen...

 

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B1Gspeed's picture

You are a real piece of work, Buckeye Jack. 

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Knarcisi's picture

Another puff piece you are reading for free. Well, not really. On my dime, dickhead. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

If Zack has a vote on the draft, looks like JT can play for the Bucs. But I doubt Zack has a vote on the draft pick. In fact, I doubt Zack is allowed to pick the donuts for the Buc's break room.

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Sanantonefan's picture

A quality control coach in the NFL still as more insight than most of the folks who post on 11W. Most coaches start there and work their way up. It means he has still worked with pro athletes and has some knowledge of how things work. Not Bill Belichek, but still on the staff.

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PittBuckeye's picture

Nothing brings out the downvotes quite like a jtb thread. We'll see how it turns out. Great dude, did great things here. I still don't think he's an NFL qb, and no I'm not saying I know more than urban or this grossi dude, or any other NFL talent evaluator. We'll all find out soon though what the coaches and gms real thoughts are. Hope he makes in the league.

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OSU1978's picture

Winners Of The Shrine Game Practices:

https://football.realgm.com/analysis/3030/Winners-Of-The-Shrine-Game-Practices

Damon Webb the standout so far for OSU.

Go Bucks!

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Amazing!  A 2 time conference champ, three time captain and 4 time slayer of weasels; WHO IS NO LONGER HERE; and some people still can't just say, "thanks and good luck."  Instead, they have to continue to prove how they think they are the smartest guy in the room.

You meet people like this all the time in life.  We all have.  I'll wager we all identify them the same way.

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