Atlanta traffic is awful. I'm not a logistics guy, but that would seem to be a poor choice for an Amazon hq.
Is the HQ also going to be a shipping hub for them? If it's just an office space then I don't think the traffic is as big a concern.
Seattle resident here. I doubt traffic is concern, or else they would move out of Seattle, because Seattle has some of the worst traffic I have ever seen, especially around the Amazon campus.
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Traffic is not a concern. DC is among worst in the nation and they are headed here.
Was at the CB1 developer's conference back in Dec, perhaps some of you were there as well. The panel of speakers (including Bob Schottenstein of M/I Homes) spoke to the "why's" behind Amazon NOT coming to Columbus the first go round. Being that it was a developer-centric session they explained the housing side of the issue. Long story short, there's not enough affordable and appropriate housing available to meet the demand that Amazon would require (plenty of low income and high income housing). Columbus faces shortage of middle class housing ($150K-350K homes).
They continued that bringing in ~50,000 jobs (some current Columbus residents MAY take some of these jobs) causes the influx issue. That's ~50,000 workers, spouses, 1.5 children and a dog all moving here. And Columbus currently could not meet that influx from an appropriate and affordable housing standpoint. Secondary issues would be schools for the kids, public transportation, highway development...
Columbus just isn't ready yet.
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An analysis by CNBC determined that the Raleigh area of North Carolina best matched Amazon's criteria. I hope Amazon surprise them and choose Columbus
Not that I wouldn't like Cbus to land it but I agree that Raleigh-Durham would be a good landing spot. It is not an expensive place to live, weather is desirable, solid job market, good talent pool from local Universities, above average quality if life. They do have a bit of traffic congestion but wouldn't say it's any worse off than the Columbus area.
"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"
Yeah Raleigh is a really nice area. And three great schools really close by churning out talent in chapel hill, duke, and wake forest.
And NC State...
Charlotte NC as well.
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Hard not to look at their impending impact in Wilmington and their recent land grab around CVG. Indy/ Cbus would have a leg up on Nville/ ATL. In terms of diversification I'd put Indy ahead so all the eggs are not in one basket/ state and you have Chicago not too far away either. That said having that large of a regional presence could also be a negative factor in their decision making process. Cities/ States are going to be tripping over themselves with incentives now that there are finalists.
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Atlanta has several advantages:
1. Low taxes
2. Good weather
3. Several major universities turning out tech talent
4. Major airport
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This is why many consider ATL to be the favorite. There is a high supply of tech talent but also a great supply of blue collar workers. Hartsfield-Jackson is the busiest airport in the world and connects to everything. Weather is basically never a factor. We will run into a winter every 5 years that proves to be a challenge, but our winters usually hover around the low 50’s in terms of temperature. I would be suprised if ATL is not the pick.
Yup. Schools closed another day though.
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If they came to C-bus they would practically have their own airport at Rickenbacker.
Don't spook the horse.
Regrettably the area in Atlanta they are looking at us east of the City in an area that overall has he worst traffic in the area AND it's in an area that has become crime ridden and the high tech talent in Atlanta is mostly north of the City. I guess it's possible if Amazon chose that area, it might drive out crime and change the demographics. But for now, it's an area that people are moving out of, not into.
That'd be amazon
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So you're buying it? Sounds like a solid bezonus move.
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It's certainly a prime location
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True, but, I wouldn't drone on about it
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Amazon could use a good man like Art Vandalay. They're basically in the domestic importing and exporting business.
Another classic episode
I don't believe Amazon needs an Architect....
"CAN THEY CATCH HIM - NO THEY CAN'T - TOUCHDOWN"
If they're building a brand new HQ I'd imagine they'd need quite a few... or just one Art Vandalay.
My bet would be on Raleigh, but Cbus is surely a strong contender.
It won't be DC. That would be insane.
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"It won't be DC. That would be insane."
Paralyze resistance with persistence.
It can't be that insane to Amazon, since the DC area has three of the final 20.
The idea that there are 20 legitimate candidates at this point is also insane. This is surely some kind of gamesmanship on Amazon's part.
I see your point though. I'm talking about DC, as in "City of Washington DC."
I dont think it being in the district is that far fetched. There is an entire area in Northeast that is starting to undergo redevelopment, and amazon could have its choice of desirable land to build a campus on. They could essentially make an entire section of the city theirs. Come live in Amazon-town!
The tech talent is extremely high here, it features three major airports nearby, and Bezos just bought a house here (the most expensive in DC of course). Throw in the fact amazon has a major footprint in Northern Virginia already (houses a significant portion of their AWS infrastructure), and it seems logical. I wouldnt say DC is the favorite, but i also dont think its crazy they are a top contender.
Oh and theres the added benefit in being near the fed government and having an easier time wielding political influence, which is going to be important as amazon continues to expand its offerings/monopoly.
Winnner. It’s going to Raleigh. Bank it.
Why do you think so? I base it on mostly on that it's in a hot area (Research Triangle) in one of the hottest growth regions in the country.
One of my manufacturers has done every single facility they’ve built, so I trust him. He said it’s based on the highly educated workforce in that area. So pretty much what you alluded to.
Raleigh certainly has a lot going for with the research triangle and well as a large technology presence already, but I wouldnt list them as favorites and certainly not a lock.
It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't believe Raleigh will be the pick.
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Went to the Show of Shows a couple years ago in Louisville. Didn't wan to rent a car, so stayed at a hotel close to the airport and convention center. Was rudely awakened at 0400 by lots of airplanes taking off. Asked at the front desk about all the noise because I thought most airports had quiet times. especially smaller ones like Louisville. Found out Louisville is a shipping center for UPS (or was it FedEx?) and the planes take off early. Will take the up on the free ear plugs next time.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
But this is for Amazon Headquarters #2 not a distribution center so that shouldn't be an issue.
Then that shouldn't be too bad. It was a rude awakening because I did not know about the Louisville early morning flights. Good luck to wherever they settle. More jobs, but more traffic.
The UPS worldwide hub is in Louisville
I thought it was Memphis?
Hahaha, thats what I get for missing my afternoon nap. LOL
Most southern cities would have 1 thing against them. They cannot handle any winter weather. If they get any, they shut down.
IMO, Toronto is the real darkhorse here. I think Canada is more suited to Bezos' political tastes while Toronto offers the same amenities-'world class' whatever-culture, tech, communications as every other city on the list. The new HQ is all about office/tech work, not actually shipping stuff, so being located near Amazon's present logistical hubs-ie-Cincinnati-isn't that important.
I hate to think what the traffic would be like if that happens.
Went up there this past summer. It took 40-45 minutes to get from the suburbs(Mississauga) to the Skydome/CN tower, on a Saturday morning.
Locals told me that was not out of the norm for a Saturday.
That was a big question I had. They were talking about 50,000 new employees, so I assumed being a shipping hub would be a big factor, but I guess that it is not
They just put in a shipping hub in Etna, and it only employs 2k people. Looking into some reports on this, it looks like it's strictly admin positions.
Etna also has a FC. Not sure how big, but I've sent product there.
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That last tweet is money (sans the "Big Nut" comment).
Silly Hawkeye, it will be “AXazon.
Distribution won't play a factor, they're already here. Ability to attract talent will and Columbus is top 3 in retail in the country and top 10 in IT.
All the corporations that have their HQs and distribution hubs in Columbus did so because the city is a 2-hour plane trip and 8 hours drive time from just about every major market on the east coast. My brother used to work at The Limited DC in Reynoldsburg and he believes Amazon will choose Columbus precisely for that same reason.
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The metric is within a day's-truck-drive-of 70% of nation's population
Yeah that's what he said. My memory is getting worse as I get old. :/
IBLEED, I understand you're in Safety Harbor. We were there a couple days ago looking in some of the artsy shops near 2nd & Main. Saw a sign (or was it on napkins?) with the saying, "I thought growing old would have taken longer!" Saw some other napkins that said, "I make beer disappear. Do you have a super power?" LOL at both!
Haha, I think I know what you're talking about. I think that's the Sandwich on Main that has all those funny signs outside it. I love Safety Harbor. As I've grown older I've learned to appreciate the quaint small town with charm. I'm planning to buy a home there in the next year.
Next time you are there give Southern Fresh a try. Easily the best fried chicken I've ever had. I spend a lot of time at Nolan's Pub, too. Maybe we'll run into each other.
I saw they are building some new houses near downtown. Prices start at $650K. Gulp, a bit over my head. We'll keep an eye out for you and try the Southern Fresh and Nolan's Pub, too.
The menu at Southern Fresh looks great. I've never heard of BLT soup! We're gonna have to check it out for sure. Thanks.
As someone who just bought a house in Columbus I'd be very much in favor of it. But I don't think we have the public transportation to handle Amazon.
Yes, go take a look at Zillow in Seattle right now. Granted, having Boeing and Microsoft also contribute to that. But if you have property in the city that gets Amazon then you would definitely benefit.
I read an article that talked about house prices rising an estimated 80% or so if Amazon moves into a city. That would be crazy jump for the Columbus market that (while prices aren't too bad) has a high demand already.
I don't know that Columbus has a huge shot, although it is attractive to them for a few reasons (proximity to world class talent, proximity to the airport, cost of living). Everything i've read from the Wall Street Journal and a few other sources has the main contenders listed as Dallas, Austin, Raleigh, and Atlanta. Personally, living in Dallas, I would obviously prefer they choose Dallas, but it would be great for CBus if they picked it.
The answer may not be at the bottom of a bottle, but it never hurts to check.
Just read that the cities suggestions for where the campus would be located include: Franklinton, Ohio state campus area, and Easton. I cannot imagine Columbus being able to handle an additional 50k commuters to downtown (franklinton) or OSU. Easton maybe, but I don't know that area's traffic patterns.
A traffic influx that huge they'd need to build big-time mass transit as part of the facility. Think Jeff Bezos would throw in a new $2B commuter rail system with the HQ?
Hope not, since no one would ride it.
I think a true local rail system-like Cleveland has-would be a wise investment. It would have to connect the outlying suburbs to be practicable. Intra-town trolley car bs like Cincinnati-no way.
That's what I was referring to for a commuter rail. If it doesnt connect to the burbs its not a commuter rail, it's just a glorified bus.
That's too bad; I ride the Amtrak to work (used to ride the BART) and it's fantastic. I skip all that Bay Area congestion on I-80 heading into Oakland, and it's cheaper than driving/parking/tolls/etc...
Plus I get to mess around on 11W on the free wifi instead of cursing at all the other drivers.
Can't even imagine all the Prius up there in NorCal....
Prius, Leaf, plug-in hybrid Fusion (I got one). Also a ton of Teslas.
See a bunch of windmills too on my ride in too.
California is now the green state, for a couple reasons...
That's funny, from the news you'd think cali was is an orange and brown state. Dry and on fire... coincidentally kinda like something else orange and brown that I know of...
The Couban embargo.
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I would ride a rail anyday over sitting in traffic.
If there was a lightrail that could take me from Clintonville to campus, downtown, and short north with relative ease I would sell my truck in a heartbeat.
Haven't been keeping up. Is Cbus going to whore itself out by providing some ginormous tax break? Or are those details kept secret?
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Of course. Everybody is. (To be clear, I have no actual knowledge of any cities bid).
I've seen a couple with New Jersey offering 7 billion in incentives, Chicago 1.32 billion etc..
it will be a complete incentive package from city, county, state. The incentives are not really going to be a deciding factor because everyone will do what Amazon asks.
TIFs (in OH), tax abatements, land acquisition, infrastructure improvements, etc will all be in play for Amazon to dictate.
All to help a $500 Billion company. SMH.
It seems crazy, but to deny it would be a boon to the local economy is just ignorant. If it were such a bad thing more cities would have decided not to participate.
Being a boon and thinking it will be one is two different things. There is no assurances the estimated jobs or economic impact is realized; but the incentives get paid anyway. Politicians like to tout jobs and getting a company to move but rarely tout what was actually acheived a few years down the road and what it cost taxpayers.
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5%. Or 1 in 20.
They know where they're going. They're just throwing crap like this out to get the eventual "winner" to bend over as far as possible to get Amazon to pick them.
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I seriously doubt it'll be Columbus, but would be so cool if it was. Coumbus does have a ton to offer, but the whole centrally-located proximity thing is a non-factor in this decision. All signs seem to point to Atlanta, though there will need to be a commitment to expand commuter rail in order to make that remotely workable. Raleigh has got to be the dark horse. When this was announced, I immediately thought of the RTP area as an obvious choice. Such a beautful area and has the right type of workforce and the best collection of schools in the immediate vicinity. Wouldn't shock me at all if it was the choice. Austin was always another wildcard choice and would be a good fit, although it feels like they want to move further east than that.
If I had to wager I'd guess Toronto. Global footprint, healthcare, tax benefits, potentially bigger pool of employees.
Just have a hard time believing Columbus could get this. Like a lot of cities there was never a plan for expansion in Columbus. Nearly impossible to do light rail now in Columbus and I'd think you would have to have that at a minimum to end up with something as massive as Amazon HQ2.
Probably as many as half the cities on the list make zero sense but they were better than a bunch of other cities that submitted.
Best thing Columbus has going for it is a large amount of developable land in the downtown area. Another area to consider is OSU wants to be a leader in "big data" analytics. Lord knows Amazon loves big data.
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I have no clue where they will end up. If you haven't, read the specs they're looking for.
Like I said, I have no clue on what is most important. Looking at airports, Dallas, Atlanta, Chicago, NYC, Charlotte, Miami, Los Angeles are all up there. Mass transit is one of the reasons Detroit wasn't considered. Also, Detroit isn't a community lots of 25 - 30 year olds want to move to. Regarding Mass transit, most of the remaining cities have a strong infrastructure of rail, subway, and bus, and are dense enough to have lots of housing in the city proper that is accessible. In this regard, NYC, LA, DC, Chicago, Philadelphia stand out. In terms of being cool, I could see Austin and Raleigh being attractive. Maybe Columbus? In terms of square feet, Chicago has redeveloped the old main post office, a 9 story building downtown built right over the expressway and rail commuter lines. The building has 2.5 million square feet, is retro cool, accessible, and available. Chicago is most central, but Atlanta and Columbus aren't bad.
The other thing I've heard is that it becomes tricky how much it is worth to "win" being the site for Amazon. While 50,000 jobs are incredible, if you give up too much in taxes and incentives, is it worth it? It kind of is like countries that bid on the Olympics: they might "win" the Olympics, but at what cost?
Illinois fails #2. The state is nearing bankruptcy.
I could see OSU making a deal to give up West Campus in return for new construction on the site of the former St. John Arena/French Field House as proposed under Ohio State 2.0. A new indoor track and ice arena along Fred Taylor is already in the works. Land around West Campus used for the agriculture school could be given up with function transferred to the Wooster extension.
Won't ever happen. Ohio State IS an Amazon. You don't fuck with your resident kingpin to bring in a other.
If Amazon would come here my guess is that it would be built in Franklinton as stated above, or they will simply acquire whatever downtown land they desire and built their HQ where they please.
If the requirement is for an existing building, I don't know of one in Franklinton. Yes, there is lots of developable land. As far as OSU not making a deal, I think leasing the parking garages for a billion dollars is a precedent. West Campus is not filling its original function & OSU would trade it out for tons of new construction financed by the state. If you haven't seen OSU 2.0, I urge you to take a look.
Just above you stated that the biggest thing cbus has going for it is land that can be developed, Franklinton is that land.
And per framework 2.0, I see a huge investment to connect west campus to the rest of main campus. Doesn't seem like they want to pawn off the land anytime soon.
I can assure you, that if Amazon were to try and get into Franklinton, logistically it would not work. At all. The existing infrastructure in Franklinton would not be able to handle it, and the on/off ramps to 315 off of Rich street and Town Street (315 NB off-Ramp soon to be at Sullivant) can not be widened to handle that much influx of traffic, nor could Town or Rich streets be widened (ROW issue) without wiping out some of the proposed developments already planned. It may look like a good choice just from looking at Google Earth, but it won't work without significant takes from the City and if ODOT ignores design standards for the freeway. 70/71/315 interchange is already being redesigned, and there will no longer be an exit for EB 70 to go north on 315. that goes away, which would be detrimental to Amazon imo.
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Just like Easton, they would make it work.
However the issue you just highlighted is exactly why amazon wants a healthy mass transit system cbus cannot offer, which is one of many reasons we aren't a likely candidate.
The only way it could work is if the SR 315 NB on ramp at Town Street could be widened to support 2 NB travel lanes. However, this cannot be done without wiping out a church and school at Broad Street. This is probably the biggest obstacle, which I don't foresee every happening. Franklinton (East Franklinton, between 315 and the river) is the next area of Columbus to see major redevelopment, and a new Amazon campus would go completely away from the City's design and redevelopment plan; E. Franklinton is going to be the new "art district". Now, since Mt. Carmel W. is basically being relocated, there is "area" that could be redeveloped into something for Amazon, but again, the streets/ramps/freeway could not handle it as is. To blow it all up and do what is needed would probably top $1 billion, and I am not joking with that number. Between Right Of Way takes, widening, new bridges, new ramps, new utility lines etc. it would be a massive undertaking.
I guess they should just stop all development in Franklinton because it won't logistically work.
Franklinton was dubbed the next arts district but it will be anyrting but that. NRI owns 70+ parcels of property in East Franklinton. It's not going to be the arts district, its going to be Grandview 2.0
But NRI does not own the old Chevy dealership, Mt Carmel, or the property in the surrounding neighborhood.
That is plenty of space for a campus. Access to 70 will serve that, not 315.
However I would take Amazon's promise of 50k jobs with a grain of salt. That is close to twice the number Ohio state employs (the largest in Central Ohio) and roughly 5x the amount Nationwide employs.
It's not to say they won't reach that number but it won't just occur overnight. It would be a natural progression over a number of years if not decades.
No, they should not stop redevelopment, because the current redevelopment plan works logistically (which includes new sewer/sanitary, pedestrian accomodations such as sidewalk and ADA curb ramps, repaving existing streets, rebuilding curb lines etc.). You seem to not grasp that the City is trying to redevelop the area within the existing parcels and not purchase more ROW. To put Amazon in, would require alot more ROW, among MANY other things. Call it Grandview 2.0 all you want, but you are wrong in that assumption.
No I'm not. Just because the city is updating infrastructure (which would be necessary anyway) doesn't change the fact that NRI owns the majority of parcels in the area, like they did in Grandview.
The existing redevelopment plan calls for high rise residential towers reaching up to 30 stories high, 5 residential buildings 8-12 stories high for 1,500 units, 1-2 boutique hotels for 240 rooms, and 7 office buildings at least 10 stories high for 840k Sq feet of office space.
The city has called it the largest redevelopment project in history of cbus, and believe it will be the next great American neighborhood. If you think that is fitting in with the bottoms existing single family flooded out parcels then you obviously don't have the slightest grasp on the defilement.
Oh and all of the above is just on 21 acres the city owns, not on any of the 60+ parcels NRI owns.
So what about that doesn't scream Amazon?
That also doesn't include any of the work they did on vets memorial or Scioto peninsula Park, which is built on top of an underground parking garage. A park, on top of a garage.
But they're just fitting into the exiting parcels...
I know what the redevelopment plan is, and I have seen the proposed land use map that is in the inftastructure and traffic study (which you have not since it hasnt been released). You are still incorrect, regardless of what nationwide owns. There are many blocks within E. Franklinton that are designated for industrial-art land use, single unit home sites, and some mixed use office and commercial. The land use types are plannibg level, but are used when developing the generated traffic to said sites, and are built into the traffic demand model. From what I know and what I have seen, the high rise buildings you are imagining are not going to replace all of Franklinton, but rather, it is going to be the new art district. Disagree if you want, but you are still incorrect.
One and five would be the hardest. I think they could build a huge building in the Gahanna or New Albany area and still be close to the airport, but I don't know of any existing buildings that size. A shuttle to work could be built, maybe, but that is about it.
I forgot about the Rickenbacker Airport
why not Indy?
Are the 30 data centers Amazon is building in the Columbus area a non-factor? I haven’t been following this but I know they’re building like crazy here....
The 3 data centers? No, those have no bearing.
Um, there’s 6 now and will be 30 when it’s all said and done....hell they’re working on 7, 8 and 9 now....so again I ask, do these not have have any influence on their decision?
That would go hand-in-hand with the "Big data" I referenced above. It will be centered in the renovated Pomerene Hall.
There are currently 3. They have proposed to build up to 12 additional centers, at the same locations the existing three centers are located (Dublin, Hilliard, New Albany - - not Columbus). It's basically the planned expansion they've always had, but now they want a discount on electricity before proceeding. I'm interested where you've seen they have already begun building additional centers? I drive by one of the locations daily and there has been no additional construction going on.
Also, Amazon does not run those facilities. Vadata does, which is a separate business arm from Amazon entirely, so there is no crossover between the two. Amazon chose the location based on how cheaply it could be built and operated, plain and simple. Municipalities bend over backwards to accommodate the facilities for the chance to say, "Amazon/Google/Apple does business here!" when in reality the facilities create a limited number of jobs v. the incentives and investment the communities provide to the companies.
I was part of a regional economic development team who helped locate data centers from both Google and Amazon in rural Western NC counties because land was free, electric capacity and capabilities were met, electric rates were cheap, water was provided free, infrastructure improvements paid for by the county and state, tax abatements for 24 and 30 years, and less than 50 full time, white collar, skill positions were created at each facility.. But those counties have that name recognition now.
That is one of dozens of examples amongst those companies. So to answer your question. No, the data centers located in Central Ohio have zero bearing on if Amazon will locate their HQ here.
Amazon is a global company. A few hundred miles of distance is inconsequential to them anywhere.
I literally have worked in the 3 new ones, would you like pictures?
edit: probably can’t take pictures but there are 2 buildings at each site, not in columbus (God bless semantics), my company has a bunch of equipment in each and yet I’m being told they don’t exist....
Lol each data center was always proposed as two buildings, so there has not been any additional development over what was initially planned.
I would like pictures of the new ones being build right now. So would PUCO I assume...
That article is paywalled so I'll ask here. Are the data centers those things that basically keep data physically close to people who are using it? So when I stream video from Amazon video it comes from Dublin instead of coming from across the country? If that isn't the case, what are these things and why do they need so many in one state?
I believe by and large, those data centers support AWS, but good luck finding out many details about what information is ultimately held where.
Amazon Web Services holds so much sensitive data for companies throughout the world. The prime user I assume, isn't their primary focus with the DCs
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After further review, the decision has been reversed. Amazon HQ will be placed in Boston.
I knew it was odd when Tom Brady called Bezos and offered the services of his voodoo personal trainer.
This is precisely why transit between Chicago, Indy, Columbus, Cincy, and Pittsburgh is so important. Hyperloop would be amazing but just think of how much more appealing the whole region would look to the Amazon's of the world if it were all interconnected.
I wouldn't mind seeing something futuristic like a hyperloop. Public transportation in this country stopped taking leaps forward decades ago.
Let's throw in Toronto so that Chicago doesn't get a big head, and Cleveland so Ohio can claim ownership.
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My money is on D.C. Jeff just bought a house there and Amazon is about to get into the political ring due to the things they want to accomplish.
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Yup, the smart $$ is on either Toronto-for aforementioned reasons in this thread, or DC/N. Va.-literal proximity to levers of power.
I haven't read all of the comments so don't know how much of this is here already but Columbus offers a lot of great things for Amazon.
Columbus is already a hub for drug and human trafficking, unfortunately, for the very same reasons it made the Amazon HQ2 list. Columbus is a big-ish city with resources, that is “centrally” located at a crossroads between the East, South, and Midwest regions of the country. Also there is continuing tremendous growth in the city, in terms of business and real estate/housing and development.
Columbus may not be the final choice, but it would not be surprising.
Well, Amazon is not coming to Columbus/E. Franklinton.
The incentives given to Amazon should be criminal.
I knew it was going to be absurd, but that is a crime.
It certainly is a problem with all of these state and local governments competing for companies. How much can a location give away to attract business? Who is helped in the long run? We all know that answer, but what about the cost?
Perhaps that is something the smaller (population) states could use their out-sized political leverage to effect change on.
Unfortunately current mayors and governors aren't too concerned about what happens 5 years or a decade from now, they just want to take the victory lap now and leave the problems for someone else
Existing companies should be livid. Paying taxes so the City/State can give that money to the largest wealthiest company in the country.
Pay that man his money.
It was always going to be New York, Amazon just wanted the whole country competing to tell them how great they are.
Bingo. Actually a good read about how it was all BS from the start:
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The new congresswoman from New York says she can't afford an apartment in Washington D.C. Is Amazon going to pay the 25K new workers in Crystal City more than $174K? Great life having to commute from Richmond.
She was full of crap. She had to publically release her financials and she's more than able to pay for an apt.
The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.
I saw that too. It wasn't a surprise.
Because the NYC and DC areas reeeeeeally need the shot in arm, jobs, opportunities. There’s no commerce there.
They should have placed it in middle America ... aka “flyover country” to you, Bezos.
Here's a small-scale sweetheart deal for The Little Guy (or Gal):
As a New Yorker, all I'm hearing is the sound of my rent going up...
Yeah, I'm sure we didn't need the 1.5 Billion to pay for the subway which they are going to overcrowd at all.
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I'm hoping it may raise my home value out here in Nassau.
Ring the f**king bell, you pansy
As much as I love Columbus (would move back in a second if Mr. SBM and kids would agree), it makes sense that Amazon is locating in Crystal City VA. Bezos owns the Washington Post, has a huge, multi million dollar house in DC, and AWS (Amazon Web Service) is just killing it in the federal marketplace, and is helping Amazon stock climb even higher. In addition, 70 percent of ALL internet traffic goes through Ashburn VA (a suburb of DC). There are data centers all over the place here, along with a large, highly educated IT workforce. Reagan National Airport is at most, a couple of miles away. While it will bring thousands of high paying jobs, roads/transportation and housing affordability issues will be even more exacerbated than they already are now.
Public reaction in the slighted cities, probably:
I am done with Amazon!!!!
. . . Oh, wait. Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals.
I am done with Amazon in 2019!!!
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Interesting to see far eastern Queens suddenly get transformed to tech-vana. I don't think Amazon workers will appreciate the Hollis/Middle Village hood' or Chinese-Indian strip mall cuisine and style.
Among the stuff various cities offered Amazon: zero-interest loans for Amazon employees to buy houses in Boston, a taskforce to prevent an "unacceptable murder rate" in Columbus, an extra Amazon-only carriage added to trains in Atlanta https://t.co/8U0M69z6Zd
— Tom Gara (@tomgara) November 15, 2018
Uhh....kinda wondering what's brewing in Columbus......
Taskforce to prevent an unacceptable murder rate-back in the 1930s that was called a lynch mob, just sayin.............
The proposed area that is in Cbus, isn't what you would call fully developed yet. Still a good amount of crime down there. Getting better and I'm interested to see the final result, but I could see why this would be offered.
"So long, suckas."
Who can blame them. Surprised they picked that area to begin with.
What's funny is the real estate around the proposed area went crazy. Somebody is going to be left holding the bag.
Bezos flat out scrapped the entire HQ2 project. No soup for anyone.
False. They are still opening the Virginia HQ2 as well as a 5000 employee hub in Nashville. Also, while they said they won't reopen the search for an additional HQ2, that doesn't mean they wouldn't decide to revisit one of the locations they previously vetted.
"In the statement, Amazon noted that “a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City.”
Amazon selected New York City and Northern Virginia in November to split duty as its second headquarters (nicknamed HQ2) after a year-long search. Each city was expected to have more than 25,000 workers over time.
The company plans to move forward with its office expansions in Virginia as well as Nashville, where it is building a new hub expected to employ 5,000 people. There are no plans to “reopen the HQ2 search at this time,” according to the Amazon statement."
It would have been horrific. I work in Long Island City and its already tough getting in and out. On top of that, they weren't going to pay their share of taxes (for needed infrastructure improvements) and price many out of the neighborhood making congestion worse.
We will miss the business, but hopefully the next place won't be held hostage
Good for you, your town drove out 20k jobs at $150k because your fangs weren't deep enough in them.
I'm sure there are lots of places who will be more tax friendly and would be hapy to have 20k jobs at $150k.
They're not paying their share of infrastructure improvements? What does that even mean? Since when it is the job of the company to repair infrastructure that the city and state decided to neglect despite the stupid tax rates?
Amazon wasnt holding anyone hostage, they offered a shit ton of jobs and money in return for a break on taxes.
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
What do you do you think taxes pay for? They go to public work project and public employees. Giving 1.5 billion to a company is basically the city paying the company.
New York City is a big enough draw without massive tax breaks. Other cities might need the business and be OK doing it but here there will always be a section of the public that suffer when new people who move in, use public programs, and money doesn't come in to compensate. People use public programs (public transit, food and waste programs, a police force bigger than some countries militaries, etc.) here more than any other place in the states. It's not socialism, its necessary to keep the peace with so many people in such a small place.
Bring it to Columbus!!!!!
There would be lots of positives and a few negatives. I think overall I'd be in favor of it, especially because I'm moving far outside of 270 in a year or so.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
There are already projections that the 7-county central Ohio region will add 1M people by 2050.
My question is: where is the water source for all of these people? Somebody had better be planning to buy a bunch of farms on the Scioto or Olentangy river and start planning to build more reservoirs.
Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
Until the reservoir at Delaware State Park and the Olentangy run dry, Delco Water will meet the need.
Lack of water really isn't an issue in this part of the country.
Columbus isn't happening. For those arguing that Columbus is a great central location for shipping hubs, that's not what HQ2 is about. HQ2 will be a tech focused office campus, not a shipping hub.
Columbus infrastructure is a joke. All these ‘mega-fix’ projects that have been completed, and traffic is still a crock. Columbus also has the worst drivers in America......this contributes to some of the issues.
You are without a doubt the most negative person I have ever seen.
I've regularly driven in Cbus, Cincinnati, LA, and Atlanta. All three of those other cities are worse than Columbus.
I’m originally from Columbus and moved to Cincy in 1990. In addition to driving in those two cities I have also driven in all of the major cities of the US and during rush hour. The top two worst in my opinion are DC and LA. The worst two I’ve been in Internationally are Beijing and Cairo. Both are worse than any place in the US.
Driving in Ohio is actually pretty good when you look at from the big picture. That said, if an Amazon-like entity wanted to open up shop with 25,000 plus people, there is no place in Ohio that could immediately support it.
Send the Earth Reverberating
DC driving is bad because there are so many people. Columbus driving is bad because the drivers are bad. That's saying something because DC drivers aren't the best.
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-Former OSU S&C Coach Lichter
I couldn’t agree more on the traffic flow. The mess on 23 in the Worthibgton area is a disaster, a ton of money spent with little results.
Northbound from 270 flows much better. Southbound to 270 is slowed by stupid people that don't get in the correct lane until the last second.
23/270 works as designed for the most part...remember, Highways are KING. Traffic can easily get off of 270 to go north on 23 now...all this did was move the parking lot off the highway and onto 23. Unless a new highway is built going north (wont ever happen), this is the best it will be, outside of some traffic signal system timing updates or if they ever get rid of the split phased signal at Campus View (again won't happen). Coming southbound, yeah, it is sort of dumb. An easy fix would be to have 315 traffic AND 270 WB traffic in the outside lane, and then only 270 EB traffic in the inside lane...the pavement is there, just resign and re-stripe it (pavement markings)....The problem though, again, is that highway is KING...FHWA has rules for how much traffic you can dump onto the highway, and often times this traffic is "coinstrained" on purpose. Take the Polaris exit for example. Polaris would operate much more smoothly if all the SB traffic could enter into their own lane to continue southbound, but instead traffic from Gemini and Polaris Parkway merge together before they can merge onto mainline 71 south... on purpose. It regulates the amount of traffic that can get onto 71 at any given time. Thanks FHWA!
Try going to Boston. Rated worst commute in the country. I’ve lived in both and Columbus is nothing compared to it.
Boston and Atlanta traffic are ridiculous.
Yeah, that does put things into perspective
Anybody who thinks traffic in Columbus is bad needs to get out of town a bit more
I have lived in LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Charlotte and overseas in Amsterdam, London, Kingston Jamaica and Manila Philippines. I have worked in Dubai, San Fran, been to Dallas, Houston, NYC Boston etc
All of them are far worse than Columbus. In fact from this article from Forbes form 2016 using data from Trulia, Columbus had the 2nd shortest average commute of cities all of which had at least 100K
-Someone pulls over on the opposite side of a freeway in Columbus, to change a flat......causes a backup for 6-8 miles, and a 45 minute delay, both directions.
-Other cities don’t give two shits about someone having a flat tire, no matter which side of the freeway it occurs.
Not sure if you're being serious or not but if you are, that's a lie.
I've lived in San Antonio, Tampa, Newark CT, San Diego, Chicago, Columbus and a bunch of other larger cities for long periods of time and they all have traffic issues. Traffic, regardless of city is shit. That's what happens when you have large amounts of people travel into an area at the same time and leave at the same time with only a few entrances and exits.
Also, can't help but laugh a NYC politicians for costing their districts 25,000 job LOL!
Also, can't help but laugh a NYC politicians for costing their districts 25,000 job LOL!
25,000 people being deprived of jobs, yes.. but the tax laws need to be changed so big companies like amazon are forced to pay taxes, which they didn’t want to do.
I can attest to Tampa traffic. Sucks.
When the sun finally comes out in Seattle-Tacoma, and everyone can see Mount Rainier, traffic backs up for 10 miles and adds an hour to your commute.
Having lived in the Seattle area, DC, Jacksonville, Norfolk and New England, Columbus is relatively easy to get around. As it continues to grow, add more commuters, while refusing to add some form of mass transit, the issues will get worse. The roads can only handle so much volume.
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- Stuart Scott
I'm 99% sure you've either:
A. Never driven in Columbus.
B. Never driven anywhere BUT Columbus.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Ohio public schools lost $130 million in subsidies due to corporate tax abatements. I’m disappointed Columbus bent over backwards in the first place, knowing damn well they didn’t have the infrastructure in place to make that a successful transition. They front-loaded all of those incentives (higher than New York, Nashville, and D.C. combined) in hopes of luring a company that was never going to choose them in the first place; all it would have done is deplete the city’s tax base and ruin even more the slipping education system in Columbus.
This is definitely where I parked my car.