Zone-6's Return Could Lead to a Smooth Quarterback Transition

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Steve-OH knows. Randy too. They're just not ready to admit it yet.

With Haskins or Burrow at QB, with Weber/Dobbins at RB, with an experienced Zone6, and a solid OL core returning, man oh man - this offense will ROCK!!!  [and maybe Tate getting some work at H-Back?]

And Meyer didn't bring Wilson/Day in on a whim. We'll see their up-tempo and over-the-top attack. The passing game will open up running lanes, and running will open up passing lanes. 

Call me a starry-eyed homer, but I don't see anyone stopping us in 2018. Not OK, not Penn State, no Mishies, ACC's, SEC's or anyone else. Make your Natty reservations early. Take it to the bank! 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Oh boy... Buckeye Jack jumping in here... the worst one trick pony on the forums for the last 3 years.

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cricejr's picture

When someone says "take it to the bank", don't believe it because there's no penalty if they are wrong.  It's like someone saying "TRUTH!" after a sentence when you already know it isn't.

The Buckeyes O should be great next season but if we forget to run the ball at crucial times or if the secondary isn't air tight or the linebackers bite on plays, next year won't be much different.  We need both the O and D to have it together. How about this...let's enjoy the season, let the players play and the coaches coach. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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steve-OH's picture

Awww... look at you guys. Still can't get over one guy sharing his opinion about Zone 6, as if everyone else was singing their praises all year. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Maybe time to say "Uncle", Steve? All those receiver's drafted? That Haskins & Zone6 come-from-behind win over the Weasels? 

Some people are more vocal than others, Steve, but many of us are seeing an exciting new beginning for the passing game in 2018. 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Don't you have a bash JT thread while campaigning for Cardale/Burrow/Haskins thread to make somewhere? I guess we can all at least be thankful that JT left if for no other reason that we don't have to see you beating that dead horse all year, here's to 2018. 

If it's time for me to give in on this, it would also be time for Ramzy, and all of the other people here who haven't been impressed with Zone 6 in the past. One staff article singing their praises and you can't remember all the video clips of the other teams DB's running right along with our guys? Passes going right through McLaurin's and Campbell's hands for touchdowns? 

Forgive me for not being impressed with Jalin going undrafted, Devin doing nothing, and Evan Spencer bouncing out of practice squads after a year or so. Samuel, and Brown have some promise. Thomas is a stud, we all knew that. Let's not make a platform out of guys that hardly see the field.

Yes, Haskins, Hill and Mack engineered quite the comeback. Also, I'm all for Mack and Hill getting more touches, which are the 2 receivers who did damage with Haskins on that big comeback. So, at least get your facts right.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Let's not make a platform out of guys that hardly see the field.

Getting drafted and getting paid is a HUGE deal in my view. Very very few college WR's get to that level. And, yes, ballplayers get injured in the NFL. I don't take that as a lack of ability. Particularly when their teams keep them active.

Also, I'm all for Mack and Hill getting more touches, which are the 2 receivers who did damage with Haskins on that big comeback

All receptions are a position-group accomplishment. When DB's have to respect ALL routes, the clearing routes and the decoy routes are every bit as important as the route that gets targeted.  

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Lol, sorry, it doesn't take the other WR's doing their job well for another WR to catch the ball. They only have to be on the field in order to draw a defender so they aren't left uncovered. This is some really bad logic.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Lol, sorry, it doesn't take the other WR's doing their job well for another WR to catch the ball. They only have to be on the field in order to draw a defender so they aren't left uncovered.

Great news. Steve! LOL

WR's across the country can quit running all those clearing routes and decoy routes! 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Again, a complete misrepresentation of what I said. But I would expect nothing less at this point from you.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Yeah, sure, right, OK, Steve-o

LOL!!!

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Hey, dumbass, go read my post that you quoted and see if anywhere I said they can stop running routes.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

... it doesn't take the other WR's doing their job well for another WR to catch the ball. They only have to be on the field in order to draw a defender so they aren't left uncovered...

When you say,  "They only have to be on the field in order to draw a defender" - it sounds like you're saying they don't have to run clearing routes or decoy routes (those things are like exhausting wind sprints, BTW,  after 10 or 15 of them). 

So are you saying non-targeted receivers "only have to be on the field"? Or are you agreeing that decoy and clearing routes help get a targeted receiver open? Which is it Steve. You can't have it both ways. Nice try. though.

And "dumbass"? Read the rules of this site. NOT acceptable by me OR the rules of the site.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Dumbass fits and I'll stand by it. Report it if you want. I used to think you were just a one trick pony, beating the QB drum nonstop, but now I realize you are a complete tool.

I said they don't have to do their job well, meaning that all WRs don't have to be great for one guy to be great. If you want to do your best to paint my comments one way in order to make your point, go ahead, but your a crappy painter.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

I said:

All receptions are a position-group accomplishment. When DB's have to respect ALL routes, the clearing routes and the decoy routes are every bit as important as the route that gets targeted.  

Then you said:

... it doesn't take the other WR's doing their job well for another WR to catch the ball. They only have to be on the field in order to draw a defender so they aren't left uncovered...

But you meant to say:

I said they don't have to do their job well, meaning that all WRs don't have to be great for one guy to be great. 

Sure, Steve. I think we can all see where you're coming from now. LOL

And you're way out of line with the abusive language. And you are completely out of your depth with this position group. 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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steve-OH's picture

Abusive language? Dumbass and tool? Dude. I'm sure given your idiocy here on these forums, this is the least descriptive things you've been called. You are twisting words and adding things to what I said to build a case. You're wrong, but you're opinions are usually wrong here and way off base, so that's nothing new for you.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Your direct quotes above, Steve. You exposed your own football nonsense with your own written statements.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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619nut's picture

Ya the language and namecalling is unnecessary, make your argument with logic and reason not ad hominem attacks.

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hairlessnutts's picture

recievers who arent targeted as much as they should be and when they are get a ball that is rarely on the numbers typically get disinterested or lose focus.. its human nature and rarely a talent issue as much as a natural tendancy of being human. see an infielder in baseball when the pitcher is walking every batter he faces.  jt barret was serviceable and put up gaudy numbers against inferior comp. but i would argue that in this offense with the surrounding talent that a walk on could have done relatively well against most teams ie most teams are inferior to ohio states talent.  i dont think people bash barret as much as they believe a team loaded with talent at every single position besides "starting quarterback" makes much sense. 

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rockyincbus's picture

Leave evan spencer and devin smith out of this. And for that matter all of the guys who did us right while they were in Columbus. JT would be the first to tell you to have some respect for his guys.

You've got barbecue back there?

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Reuben's picture

Forgive me for not being impressed with Jalin going undrafted, Devin doing nothing, and Evan Spencer bouncing out of practice squads after a year or so.

This is an Ohio State board, and all three of those guys made crucial plays during the playoff run. Who cares what they did in the NFL? 

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I just thought it was funny more than anything else. Plenty of my opinions have been met with disagreement, so I won't pretend to be the supreme authority on the matter.

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Buck68's picture

should we characterize the start of each cycle/season as 'who's gonna plug in his stats for the last guy'?

there's a lot more to the story, IMO.

last year, the team recovered from a massive unexpected shellacking to defeat 3 excellent teams on the field.  The individuals were, as usual, a mixed bag.  They ranged close to what the coaches graded them each game.  But we don't usually look for or discuss that. We 'fOcus' on favorable stats & stat totals &t awards; and, in our personal kudos and 'likes'.

That was last year.   The last time we indulged ourselves with Last Year + More, Greatest Ever, and so forth... = Domination and We're #1 reps... "something was missing".

Considering overall talent and coaching... we're at / near 2015 statistical levels.  Will we 'bring something MORE' this time... or something Better?  What is Something Better than More?

GO BUCKS!

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McGrind's picture

Mo’better... of course. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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showgunz1408's picture

TM, PC, JD have a lot to prove this year. I don't care what the the passing problems were last year if they're gonna come back they need to be above average, cause as it stands they're average players. Urban doesn't want to be around average. 

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Buck68's picture

IMO both offensive coaches and players can identify, discuss, and train in basic skills separately and independently from play execution and schemes [ie without continual coaching/monitoring; ie in the summer & outside practice time as the NCAA counts it].

it seems with Zone6's recurring ills and 'averages'... this should be an area of coaching emphasis this year, as should any other area of multi-year relatively poor performance compared to our skill & training goals. 

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

As all these receivers began declaring that they would come back for another year it really got me thinking; I loved the 4-year ride that JT gave us as a QB and he is undoubtedly one of the all time greats in school history, but his limitations were well documented. I was wondering if all these guys are coming back specifically because JT will be gone. Is it possible that they believe that with a young gun with a cannon arm back at QB they'll be better able to showcase their abilities as receivers? If all the sudden we're able to through the ball down field, some of these guys with speed to burn might be able to prove to NFL teams that their is a different element to their game that they simply weren't able to showcase with JT at Quarterback. 

Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel that if JT had another year of eligibility we would likely have seen several of these receivers go pro.

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TigerSweat's picture

This was my assumption as well. It's speculation, but I think that JT leaving is influencing decisions made my some of these receivers

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CyborgBuckeye's picture

My thoughts exactly, as I read this article!

because I couldn't go for 3!

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idotter81's picture

More likely, they are not ready to go based on their performances/skill sets shown on the field thus far in their careers and decided not to risk losing their best shot at being a pro by leaving too early. 

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showgunz1408's picture

Interesting take. I've always said JT was an OK down the field passer, what i thought he regressed in was the decision of when to throw, mainly because of the wide open WRs yet they had to slow down to catch it.  I noticed that a lot with Curtis Samuel last year. He knew Devin Smith could adjust to any throw, not so much with the receivers since.

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LB U's picture

They came back because they wanted to prove they're good receivers when given an admirable QB.

If JT had another year of eligibility, what do you think the odds are that every SINGLE one of these guys comes back? I'd say zero... Parris Campbell and KJ Hill at the minimum would've already declared. It couldn't be more obvious.

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Commodore's picture

Magically all the problems with the receivers are going to disappear with a competent throwing qb 

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

I don't think anyone ever said a new QB would solve all the problems with the receivers. I only inferred that having a quarterback with different strengths might allow the receivers to show off strengths that none of us knew they had. Bring able to throw a deep ball may help zone 6 show off a new skill set, but that in itself does not guarantee a better or more efficient passing attack. Just as a less efficient QB does not necessarily mean he can't make our receivers look better.

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NolanFickas01's picture

I think we are all on the same page here. I think these guys respect the hell out of JT but they probably have been wavering back and forth between staying or leaving due to the unknown factor that the next QB will bring. They knew what to expect from JT but I think the whole program is anticipating the excitement of a new era . It's unlikely that all of these WR's coming back will have  break out years and become 1st round picks but they have to be intrigued at the possibility of what could be. 

I wonder if JT was coming back for 1 more year, if all of these guys would be have a different decision?

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Nutinpa's picture

Maybe I'm crazy, but I feel that if JT had another year of eligibility we would likely have seen several of these receivers go pro.

I will be a JT supporter until I die....but I think this is a true statement.  It is both an indictment of JT as a reliable passer, which is basically the truth, and moreover, an indictment of the Offensive scheme which promotes his running of the football and the premium of WRs as blockers.  The WRs on this team, with their history of drops a fact, not an opinion, HAVE to be excited about the coming changes at QB and Wilson's 2nd year in (presumably) running the Offense. 

Like I said, this group in so-called zone 6 is assuming there will now be catches, touches and film on them to go around aplenty. Had JT come back, several of them would have bolted and I (again, as an avowed JT backer) would not have blamed them.  I wonder if Urban Meyer had ever recruited Amari Cooper and Julio Jones.....had ever told them..."If you can prove yourself as a blocker, you'll see the field as a WR for me".   Just tying that is beyond laughable. 

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Trebor40's picture

I have been a fan of all that JT has done for our program. I also believe that JT has allowed Urban to play with his toys as he sees fit and prefers, with little challenge from others given JT's success and leadership. Now the entire roster knows Urban must change which we hope and they might know means Wilson/Day running the show with Urban giving the overall goal instead of the play by play of Urban/Barrett! Finally I for one truly hope Urban does stay aggressive in protecting the running game even if it is in a different form, because this is what Ohio State is and ALWAYS will be!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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stxbuck's picture

I can agree with your thinking on this.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

And yet if the 2014 guys are so average, what does it say about the guys that came in after them who have been unable to unseat them.  Oh yeah, it must be seniority loyalty.

If anything I’d say those guys lost a year of development as the Team was only focused on and chased a repeat Natty.

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MacG91's picture

Ive been trying to keep an eye out on KJ Hill but haven't seen anything about him returning or leaving, did he make an announcement? Of all the receivers on the roster, I felt like he was always the most pro ready. Wouldn't of surprised me if he left. 

Mac..yeah

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buckeyeradar's picture

I'd like to see the offense in more of a spread and not depend on the quarterback run.  That gives the receivers and the running backs a better chance to get into the open field.  Up tempo, up tempo keeping the defense on its heels, will give the new quarterback the problem of which open receiver to hit.

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WestDesMoinesBuckeye's picture

I am hoping we see a different offense than what we have seen over the past 3 years.  

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gutterwaste's picture

Perhaps, this is why everyone came back. Perhaps,the players know something we don't and they're expecting more/better opportunities in 2018?

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

That is what they were told by the Coaches as a sales pitch on why they should return.

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NapervilleBuck's picture

It's good to see we have 11W'rs in the coaches rooms now so we can get all this inside info.

See you in Indy! B1G!

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

They’re young men, and they’re also kids who talk, text, tweet, Snapchat, face time, and everything between.  Sharing info small and large.  Everything from injuries before the Coaches tell it, the real 411 on why guys transfer despite the public stories, off field troubles (when the dreaded “academic issues” are trouted out).

So while posters are not the in the Coaches room, I’m not one to treat news/posts as gospel nor immediate discount them either.  It doesn’t take a beat writer to write something for it to be true!  There was a sales pitch.

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NapervilleBuck's picture

I think the sales pitch more likely came from the NFL with their respective draft evaluations.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

You’re entitled to think as you wish.  Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Oh well, dawn of a new day and I WELCOME it, growing pains and all!

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

It's time to ditch that old Ford Pinto (running QB) idea that was a crutch. Perhaps the high paid coach will progress and develop a new idea. Here's one.... let coach Wilson call 99.6%.of all offensive plays.
Time to make a change. I am ready to stop leaning on what worked with.Tebow. In a football sense - Tim Tebow is dead. Move forward with the valuable passing talent that we have.

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XBrax1's picture

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

How dare you question the great Urban Meyer and the two greatest college QBs EVAR!  You are not a real Buckeye fan! Downvote! Downvote! Downvote!

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Stop abandoning the running backs.

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58Buckeye's picture

let coach Wilson call 99.6%.of all offensive plays.

Why don't you say what you really mean? You would rather have Wilson as your head coach than Urban?

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't mind the quarterback run being a part of the offense, in fact I really like it. What I didn't like is having the quarterback run being so predictable. Everybody in the stadium knew when JT was keeping the ball and it hurt us a couple times. The offense was ugly the last 3 games of the season last year against quality opponents. Its time for Urban to give up the wheel and let Kevin Wilson do his thing with the offense.

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

Agreed. Let’s face it, as long as Meyer is in charge here, the QB run is going to be a part of the offense. It has been part of his offense since BGSU and Utah. But I, for one, would like to see a lot less reliance on it as part of the offense. As long as the defense has to respect the possibility of the QB run, then it has done its job. That means the QB has to keep it just enough to keep the defense honest, but I think the QB run was taken to an extreme in the last couple of years to the point where defenses didn’t even have to respect that the running back was going to run the ball. Everyone in the world knew that J.T. was keeping on 3rd or 4th and short. If the defense has to respect both options then the offense becomes much more dynamic. 

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brutus0717's picture

3rd or 4th and short was fine with me as he made it WAY more often than not. It was the 3rd and 5s that bothered me.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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buckzilla1's picture

 Let’s face it, as long as Meyer is in charge here, the QB run is going to be a part of the offense. It has been part of his offense since BGSU and Utah.

This is what UFM being a baseball guy, would call going with your A pitch. 

Dynamic run with Dynamic passing is what we saw in a 3 game run from Dolo Dale. I agree that this is the way of the past and the wave of the future. (As long as Tim Beck stays the hell away from Columbus). Next up on the Run/Pass dance card is Dwayne or Joe or Tate, whichever young man has the right moves and brought his boogie shoes.

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Then let's get a coach who's last new thought wasn't in 2007. Oy Vey. Kidding of course.

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SMP's picture

I agree, but be little predictable on 3rd and less than 1.  Put the QB under center and get the single damn yard! 

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McGrind's picture

when Ms. McGrind knows what the call will be, Ithink everyone on the planet knows. On third or fourth and short...she starts yelling “BINKY” knowing that Urb will go theu comfort of his pacifier. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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CamelBuck88's picture

Love that these guys are coming back, but I fear this stunts the growth of the younger receivers. Having 6 "starters" distributes the stats evenly but it also is holding guys like Victor/Mack from seeing their true potential or in Victor's case reaching his ceiling. This will also hinder KJ Hill, who turned out to be the team's most sure handed receiver. Also wanted to see more of CJ Saunders as he has been reliable in limited action.

Hopefully who ever starts at QB will be given the chance to get one of these guys over 1000 yards receiving next year.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

More likely 6 with 500+ each. 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Victor had EVERY chance to take the bull by the horns and step up, he was then passed up by his fellow X (Mack).

Victor became the specified RZ threat.  Personally I don’t care about god given physical talents if hard work isn’t applied.

Forced maturation doesn’t work.  So for a guy like Victor that doesn’t even have to play ANY special teams, was passed up by Mack, and there were multiple instances where Victor’s lack of readiness was evident on the field, he got the returns (and then some) on the efforts he put in.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Victor is a true Sophomore. He had 23 catches and 7 TD's this season. Victor is going to be a beast. 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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Tulsinator's picture

The RB room should be special this year. Dobbins, Weber, and McCall plus Williams and incoming freshmen mean we are set for awhile. I believe Mack and Hill are the best true receivers on the team right now. Campbell (though drop issues) and Dixon have speed to burn. McLauran is a great blocker and solid possession guy along with Saunders. Victor has a high ceiling but has not come on as we may have expected. If the line gels we just need a quarterback to deliver the ball on target and on time. Haskins has a cannon and has showed touch in limited action. Burrow seems like an Urban Meyer qb and Martell is athletic and has some playmaker in him from what it sounds like on the scout team so far. I don't care who it is as the qb helps this team play to their potential. I am curious to see what Haskins can do if Meyer gives Kevin Wilson the reigns to the offense. Hopefully we find a guy and avoid the qb carousel of 2015.

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BuckNutChicago's picture

There you go... now you have me excited for next year's offense.

Go Buckeyes!!!

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Receiver room going to be VERY crowded. I really hope Meyer/Wilson don't insist on targeting guys in order of seniority.

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BuckNutChicago's picture

How about targeting guys who understand the playbook, run correct routes, and can catch the ball?

Go Buckeyes!!!

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58Buckeye's picture

How about targeting guys who understand the playbook, run correct routes, and can catch the ball?

B  I   N   G   O   !

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I hope they don’t target guys just because of speed, youth (in particular if they’re not ready), or their production during blowouts against MAC teams. 

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BucksHave7's picture

How can we not now have one of the best Kick Returner and/or Punt Return squad in the country???

BucksHave7

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Because we choose to put Mike Weber back there for some insane reason.

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TigerSweat's picture

Lol. Everytime I would see Weber jog out to field a kickoff, I would say "what in the fu#k is going on".

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BucksHave7's picture

Hoping with Zone 6 staying intact, we can leverage breakaway speed and hope to score on any kicking situation.

BucksHave7

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Maka's picture

Really would like to see Campbell and McCall on kickoffs...possibly Teague and Gill too. As for punt returner....I have no problem keeping KJ back there as he rarely makes mistakes. But would be nice to see McCall or Gill there too. 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

KJ makes the most sense to me with what we've seen so far. Most reliable hands, good with ball security. These are the two reasons why Campbell and McCall were not given the role, I believe. 

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

I have a feeling next season is going to be a lot of fun

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Jdadams01's picture

Don't tell Ramsy this is a good thing.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Zach Smith, step up and develop the WRs into a force. Earn the moniker Zone 6 again.

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Buck68's picture

Department of Break in the new Guy

To: Zone 6

Subj: Years & Reps

It's so tough to break in a new guy it takes... 4 years to be... average.

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To: Defensive Back Recruits 

Come 'ready to play' from Day 1.

Our DB development track record in the last 4 years is... second to none, as compared to all other D1 CFB programs.

We expect you to outcompete daily, and give us a full year as starter, and develop at a pace that you become a candidate for early departure to the next step in your chosen career.

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i see contrasts here between team elements that directly complete in practice, that suggest one element is decidedly better over time, which impacts performance development for both elements.

as for excuses & narratives over time... one Zone is 'zoned out' compared to the other.  ;-{)}

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Maka's picture

Next year will be telling. Is the lack of WR production due to coach Smith or previous QB play/style? Make or break year for coach Smith IMO. 

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Buck68's picture

not "OR"

but both,

and many more.

For,

once you start with the narratives... it quickly turns into a tangled web....

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steve-OH's picture

We've said next year with several of these guys for several years in a row now.

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Steelydan54's picture

This is the clearest and most cogent post I’ve seen in quite some time and is “spot on” in comparing and contrasting the two sides of the passing game. Receiving corpse/s needs resuscitation, to put it in medical terms. Perhaps a new QB is the CPR needed; perhaps we need to find “live bodies” to play the position. I expect a great competition in Spring Ball. 

Steelybuck54

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Or maybe Meyer needs to be severely less involved in the Offense.  Personally I think the defense is so far ahead of the offense because Meyer doesn’t know defense and absolutely has to trust someone other than himself.

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Maka's picture

I see Mack, Victor, Hill and Harris being our top WRs next year with Babb getting into the action as well. Campbell is locked into the H. Grimes was going to be the superstar so we need Harris to make a huge leap and be another great redzone target along with Victor. 

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Buck68's picture

IMO Mack & Hill showed 'toughness' at times, but no one consistently demonstrated the 'reliability' our coaches so highly value.  But the coaches did not show the 'reliability' they so value either.  Later last year, Victor took a vector off the runway to a taxiway.

there may be many 'locks' elsewhere, like one  guy breaking a lock and locking himself up elsewhere.  But, i hope there are no 'locks' here.

we need to raise our average ...a bunch ...before we start even saying the word 'great'.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed we never got to see what Grimes would have done here, but family first, so obviously don't fault him for going back. 

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Grimes was gonna be a superstar; based on what.  A superstar would’ve been playing a lot more than the (supposed) duds that were playing.  And this would’ve been long before he took his marbles and left because he got pissed about not making it on the travel squad to the Rutgers game. 

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Firedup's picture

Zone Sicks for a whole another yeaar!!!   Cant wait for the drops and poor routes from the same cast of usual suspects.

"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM

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idotter81's picture

Hope not but worried that may continue. Coaching has to be the question here. We have amazing athletes who have consistently underachieved as receivers. 

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brutus0717's picture

On the routes, coaching is key. Of course they may also just not be coachable players. But if they don't know how to focus and catch by now, you can't coach that in to them.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Honestly, I'd like to see more fresh blood see the light of day from that positional group.  I feel like we've seen the best of McLaurin and Campbell, and I think there are players behind them that deserve a shot.  I like that Dixon will be back, smart move by him, he needs to show that he can play more than 1 full season. 

I would like to see Victor, Mack, and Hill come in and take over and show that they can't be taken off the field.

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sharks's picture

I'm worried about stunting the growth of guys like Mack (I've pretty much given up on Victor ever being consistent). The other side is that everyone returning ostensibly wants to go pro, and none are ready yet.

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steve-OH's picture

I think Mack could easily turn into similar receiver as Michael Thomas if given the opportunity.

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qtip's picture

I wonder if Haskins has anything to do with the choices of Weber and all the wide receivers returning. Touches will go up for all skill positions because I doubt they run Haskins nearly as much as JT. I am assuming Haskins is the starting qb though.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

As long as Austin Mack starts... this is good. He’s the only younger guy that’s earned it. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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buckeye-bengal's picture

Of course, this now sets up a situation a year from now where Ohio State might have to replace its top six wide receivers, if Hill, Mack and Victor choose to leave following next season, but the Buckeyes will cross that bridge when they get to it – this time, with an experienced quarterback

This is of course the author not thinking through his typing.  If Haskins or Burrow start and have a great year, it is very possible that we have an unexperienced QB starting again in 2019.

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TBDBITL_J3's picture

I really want Haskins to start because he seems like he would be the next "JT" who stays for his whole career. He has always wanted to play QB for OSU so I can't see him leaving after only one season. 

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goodlifesean's picture

If he blows up, and projects first round, he goes. Otherwise I think he would stay.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Oh I admit that's a possibility, I'm just not ready to feed that speculation quite yet. After all, there've been like 7 meaningful throws between them up to this point.

Buckeye Jack's picture

Those 7 throws came in a come-from-behind victory in "The Game". Turned around a stalled offense. Very meaningful indeed, IMO.

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NapervilleBuck's picture

O-M-G please make the Spring game come already so we can end this!

#TeamTate

See you in Indy! B1G!

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IsJoeFlaccoElite's picture

Not wanting to play with JT being the QB is the the reason Jalin Marshal and Noah Brown both left .. In my opinion. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I can get behind the Noah Brown theory here, but not Jalin Marshall....he wasn't a true WR, more of a hybrid, and his playmaking was shown on the quick throws where he made things happen after the catch.  I still scratch my head on his decision.  I feel like he got some bad advice.

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

The ONLY reason these WR's are returning ... is because of Dwayne Haskins being the QB. I just hope Urban Meyer has given these players assurances he will be handing the offense over to Kevin Wilson. The reason ... in reverse ... is why Jalen Marshall and Noah Brown left early ... because of the RPO and the fact they knew they wouldn't be playing in an offense that throws the ball. 

Let's hope things change for the '18 Buckeyes and Paris Campbell, Johnny Dixon, Terry McLaurin, Austin Mack and the other WR become house-hold names. The offense MUST change. #Kevin Wilson ... #Dwayne Haskins.

Go Bucks

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Smith has to be sweating a little bit right now.  He has all of his guys back and knows that at least one of two of them need a monster season to not only make him look good, but to show he is going to be an asset in recruiting.  Sooner or later if he isn't developing 1-2 NFL caliber WR's per year, recruiting is going to take a hit and the fingers will be pointed at him.  At this point, there is only one consistent WR on the roster in Hill, Mack is progressing, Victor is regressing, McLaurin is a good blocker and catches a ball here and there, Dixon showed flashes as a playmaker but hasn't been targeted much for one reason or another, and Campbell is amazing one minute and then drops a ball in his chest the next.  For a team that is supposedly one of the tops in the country on offense, it has been an underwhelming couple of years in the WR room.

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Sweating?  I don't think so.  I imagine this was his reaction to having everyone back...

Go Buckeyes!!!

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Fingers should be pointed at Urban Meyer's RPO offense ... not Smith's 4 star WR's who aren't getting the ball thrown to them. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

To a certain extent, yes, but at the same time a guy like Campbell who leaves a couple hundred yards and a couple TD's on the field with drops also points right back at Smith.  He was supposed to be the leader of the group this year.  

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Campbell dropped one ball this year vs OU ... and a few LAST year. Your view of him is tainted from the previous year. Throw it to him more than two times a game and we'll see him flourish. Kevin Wilson needs to have control of the O. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

He dropped a deep ball against Indiana for a TD, and a deep ball against OU for a TD, those are just the two deep balls that would have been TD's that come to mind this year...doesn't include the short game.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

This feels weird to say for a group that has produced NFL players, but I have yet to really see much from Smith to point to and say that he's a great coach. The kind where you hope OSU pays the big bucks so he doesn't go elsewhere. I've seen a lot of talent choose to come here, to his credit, but I haven't seen any stars emerge, and I don't think the blame lies solely on JT's arm for that. 

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allinosu's picture

I don't think we as fans are in a position to know if Smith is failing. Our receivers are required to block well first from what I can tell they are very good at it. We seen a lot of beating the defense deep with balls thrown at them that makes me scratch my head. Defenses for two years jumped on short routes because deep balls weren't not a threat so it's hard to say if he is doing a poor job. It just seems kind of funny we were shit through the air against UM until Haskins came in and suddenly they are open. I think jumping on Smith and the receivers is an easy way to make excuses for others that are responsible for the passing game also.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

It is true, the WR's are taught blocking and there is nothing to knock there as they all do well blocking downfield.  But I also don't think they are living up to the hype they receive coming in either as far as the rest of the game.  It has been well documented on multiple occasions where receivers run the wrong routes, or give up on their routes too early.  Add in the drops on multiple downfield throws by more than one player, you can't overlook that.  

And for the UM game, Haskins had a great showing, but he was 6/7 for under 100 yards...it's not like the receivers were just running free and he was dropping 50 yard bombs downfield.  And one of his throws (to Mack) was a throw that just about any other QB in college (hell even the NFL) throws for a pick.  He threw a bullet in a seemingly non-existent window that somehow made its way into Mack's arms.  Spread that over a season, and some of those throws aren't so luck and you have interceptions.

This will all be sorted out in about 7.5 months.  And in my opinion, it's not a QB question.  It's a playcalling and WR room question.  We all know Haskins has the arm (assuming he will be the starter), will the returning WR's do the work to limit the mistakes we all saw last season?  And will Kevin Wilson get the keys to the car and be able to do what he was brought in for?  That's what I am waiting to see.

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allinosu's picture

Point is he threw balls that put them in a position to succeed. Jt just doesn't do that often in tight windows. To pick that apart is really reraching. JT had 74 yards for two thirds of the game and Haskins had more in half the playing time. He drove them 4 for in scoring position but one FG was missed that was well within range. On the other hand we had many many bad deep throw for TDs after the receiver worked their way open only to have it well over thrown. I re-watched all the games and most of the time JT was late or did not pull the trigger on timing routes. Wrong routes? Were you involved the play calling?That's just spouting off. On the other hand we seen 7 yard passes(and some behind the line of scrimmage taken to the house because of athletic ability. When I see a a receiver 5 yards behind a DB and overthrown 5 yards it's a QB problem. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

@ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS

And for the UM game, Haskins had a great showing, but he was 6/7 for under 100 yards.

Haskins was in for 1/3 of the game. Had 94 yards. It is reasonable to argue that in a full game that pencils out to 282 yards passing.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I think it's interesting that a lot of people who are in the JT is good camp and the JT is bad camp think that the other group either blames it all on him or put none of the blame on him. Many of the interactions I see on here end up like that. Bad passes happened. Bad catches happened. Not getting open happened. Not finding receivers happened. Bad plays were called. Predictable plays were blown up. It's like people selective remember half of these. People will see a play where someone was open but there was no chance to make the throw make up their mind that JT sucks. Other times people will see a dropped pass and just remember that the whole WR corp have stone hands. Not calling you out, specifically, I came back here after writing the rest of this and realized I just put down a whole rant on things.

Haskins made some really solid throws and some really risky throws. I am super excited for Haskins next season, don't get me wrong. Nonetheless, here we go: look at the drive where he came in and scored a touchdown. 2 short runs. 3rd down converted via holding penalty. 2 more short runs. 3rd down converted via the defender inexplicably choosing to use a towel to swat the ball rather than his outstretched fingers (and he STILL touched it). VERY tight window that I don't know would have been a completion if not for a silly move by the UM player. Still took a good risk with very lucky outcome. Short run. Then a long run made possible by one of the most egregious holding penalties I've ever seen us get away with. I hate to say it but it's true. Dobbins TD right after. This drive was uh... well, it was something. 

Next drive: 3 runs, Weber converts. 2 short runs. Then Haskins puts in a great throw to a crossing KJ Hill who runs for another 25 yds, putting the ball at the Michigan 27. This was great, and I will say, I've seen JT miss this throw (most notably during the B1G CG). So I was pleased with this. 2 more runs (the latter where I didn't see any WR separation, though I'm not sure if it was a designed QB run). Incomplete pass after (no WR got open, but he did choose the best option). FG. 

Next drive: Starting at the OSU 39. Short run, short option play (which looked really weird). Converts on a great crossing route to KJ Hill where the defender gave him a huge cushion with a bonus 20 yards or so due to a strange attempt at a tackle. Short run, then a strike underneath that managed to go unbatted, setting up 3rd and short. Handoff to Weber (that I don't think JT would have made, but you know, who knows). Failed to convert. 

Next drive: Starting at OSU 34. HUGE JK Dobbins run to UM 31. 2 runs, one for like 6, the next straight to the end zone by Weber. Game. Blouses.

So look, I think Haskins did a superb job filling in. Inevitably, someone's going to want to say I'm a hater or whatever. Couldn't be further from the truth. I saw some great talent out there and some cold-blooded poise (one of my favorite JT traits). Expecting a great season this fall along with some growing pains, which is fair. But looking closely at the way the last 1.3 quarters played out, there were a lot of reasons we managed to get a win. Besides Haskins' amazing effort, there were key blocks, key penalties, boneheaded UM plays, great pass rush, and a key turnover that sealed this game. It simply cannot be boiled down to Haskins came in and did what JT couldn't do. It irks me when people use this to justify their armchair coaching opinion that JT should have been benched way earlier in the season, or we wouldn't have lost to Iowa if Haskins was in, or that JT singlehandedly cost us championship(s) (literally, I've seen this said). You can see when you watch it over again that there were plenty of chances for this game to end differently.  I trust that Urban knows enough behind the scenes to put in the QB that gave the team the best chance of winning. By extension, I admit that I also know very little about football and am not qualified to judge Smith's work. But I do believe (with the admission that I could be wrong) that these players could have developed into more by now. Yeah, there are shortcomings beyond their control here. More than some epic catch-and-runs, I want to see the next Santonio Holmes, Devin Smith, Gonzo, or Michael Jenkins. So far? I couldn't pick one out of the group to be that guy. We were told it was going to be Campbell, but 40 receptions, 584 yards, and 3 touchdowns is not there by a long shot. 

I went WAY off-topic here, so just consider this a rant. I've got a lot on my chest lol. 

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allinosu's picture

Diminishing what Haskins accomplished in winning the UM game is sad. You can look at most completions and use the word 'IF' and it wouldn't worked. The point is he lead them into scoring position 4 straight drives coming into a hostile rival's environment cold off the bench for the win. Why would you pick that apart? I agree with most that they will be in a better position to succeed going FWD.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

You may view it as diminishing, but all I did was write down what happened. As I said above, he did a great job, showed immense talent, and great poise. Don't remember when those became negative things.

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allinosu's picture

I suppose it falls into the category that if the defense didn't get 4 TOs in USC territory we lose 7-3.

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58Buckeye's picture

I suppose it falls into the category that if the defense didn't get 4 TOs in USC territory we lose 7-3.

 I suppose it falls into the category that if, JT pulls a Darnold & throws 1 int & fumbles twice, & loses the game, everyone could call him a great NFL caliber QB? I guess JT just wasn't careless enough with the ball for fan liking. 

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allinosu's picture

Dude, you came into this late and missed the point. My point was that Haskins being lucky against UM falls in the same category as the USC thing. Both are stupid.

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stxbuck's picture

Darnold isn't a great QB prospect b/c he made some admittedly dumb/risky throws, he is a great QB prospect b/c he was dropping dimes to Vaughn and Pittman-throws that Barrett simply doesn't have the arm talent to make-but Haskins-somewhat potentially (on a consistent basis) does. That said, I do pin the offense's extreme struggles in the 2nd half of the USC game on some crappy OL play and boneheaded playcalling much more than I do on Barrett's arm talent.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Seems like my intent wasn't received. That's fine, I'm not going to push it down your throat. If you read that and think I just wanted to bring down what Haskins did, maybe I wrote it poorly. For the record, I don't think that. I also wholly disagree that my comment is in the same vein of what you just said. 

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58Buckeye's picture

Diminishing what Haskins accomplished in winning the UM game is sad.

Diminishing 38 - 6, is also sad. 

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allinosu's picture

37-7. I'll never give him the UM victory when he left trailing. 

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allinosu's picture

37-6. I'll never give him the UM victory when he left trailing. I would rather them earn it.

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58Buckeye's picture

Funny how you forget how this team works. This team wears down their opponents & over whelms them in the 4th qtr. Did you forget the finish to The Game in 2016? Jt actually threw a pass for a TD, to win that game. You want to hand 2017 game to a guy who #1 didn't start the game, #2 didn't throw a TD pass in the game. Sounds like you are grasping at straws. You are so dead set on being right, that I can imagine that your tomb stone will probably read  "Joe Thomas Barrett IIII was not a good QB".

BTW. That last line was just a joke.

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allinosu's picture

Evedently you don't know how teams work. Haskins puts up more points in half the time with more yardage. Starting the game and winning the game are two separate things. Haskins was more deserving unless you are a JT homer. I'm not on either band wagon. I prefer Burrows or Martell. Actually I don't dislike JT or him being our QB but it pisses me off blaming others for our passing struggles when I see the kind of footballs thrown and I keep ending up on the other side of the fence. 

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58Buckeye's picture

Evedently you don't know how teams work.

 I see you are one of those win at all costs type of people. I will bow out & let you wallow in your beliefs. Go Buckeyes!

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allinosu's picture

I had to give it up last night because everything was so slow on here for some reason. Letters were not getting entered and I struggled to get back here everytime I got disconnected after a comment(Maybe because it was zero here, who knows). I'm just the opposite of win at all cost but I do not like favorites being played and Urban was going to risk the rest of the team for JT no matter what. Like I said Haskins and Weber get pulled for one TO and they get pulled and JT has six in two games and nothing. We also witness Urban pumping his stats into the 4th quarter up 5 TDs throwing from the 5 yard line on 1st down instead of giving quality experience to backups. His own words that he will always be a part of his family (no one else on this team) were words right out of his mouth. We were asked before the season our win loss prediction and I went with 2-3 because I felt JT would be have a few of the kind of games he showed in the past which he did. I wanted to enjoy the season so I wasn't upset when it happened because I was prepared. He had help because I was surprised that our LB crew was exposed badly at times. The reason I get on the the other side of the fence with JT is because of those who think it's every body's fault but him for our passing game which is far far from the truth. We have seen on here several times JT not pulling the trigger on timing routes and receivers getting bashed for it. I have never seen so many missed long TD throws in one season from a buckeye QB but when one gets drop OMG. Other aspects of the passing game had problems also at times but if you want to WALLOW in their failings have at it.

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58Buckeye's picture

Byaaaahhh   =       COVERALL BINGO,  WINNER!

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allinosu's picture

Boy, you really have low standards

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Buckeye Jack's picture

@58Buckeye 

Funny how you forget how this team works. This team wears down their opponents & over whelms them in the 4th qtr.

JT had 9 possessions before he got injured. 

Here are the possessions: 7 yds, minus 8 yds, minus 10 yds, 75 yds, 53 yds, 1 yd, 9 yds, minus 1 yd, 11 yds 

The Michigan defense was not "worn down" from the 139 yards of total offense JT put up before Haskins came in. LOL

They were barely warmed up. Nice try though!

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I am Kirok's picture

Some of your stuff is a little out there Jack but you actually made a really good point.  Though I would like to see the T.O.P. for the offense during JT's UM appearance. That I think would give the total picture.

That all being said I do think the Zone 6 return is 75% JT leaving 10% they didn't like the grades they got and 15% they don't like the way this season ended. Or at least I'm hoping they are coming back angry.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

I would like to see the T.O.P. for the offense during JT's UM appearance.

17:53 while Barrett was in - 13:24 T.O.P. for Haskins.

Some of your stuff is a little out there Jack

"Out there" in opposing  some of the everlasting B.S. narratives (like our WR's suck)? Yes, Kirok, proud to be "out there" on that. Or, do you mean "out there" as to presenting inaccurate information? I'd have to call bullshit on that. Name one instance. Don't drink the Koolaid, Kirok. I've seen the same 'intractable' ass hats jump all over your posts. Go Bucks!

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

If you look at number of catches, what I see is that the H (featured WR position in Meyer’s Offense) with Campbell and Hill have close to 100 catches (Samuel had 90 last year, Marshall before him) tells me more about the playcalling and a clear under utilization of the outside WR positions than anything else.

Hell, even Thomas was criminally underutilized In this offense!

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Stampeding Buckeye's picture

While I love having these guys back, I'm not sure I agree with the following:

They're already proven playmakers and have demonstrated excellence in fundamentals like blocking and route running.

Have they really demonstrated excellence in route running? And I notice actually catching the football isn't listed....

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allinosu's picture

Drops were within reason with the overall NCAA average.

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58Buckeye's picture

Drops were within reason with the overall NCAA average.

If "drops are within reason with the overall NCAA average" is acceptable. Then by that same logic, there should be absolutly no complaining about passing ability as long as OSU is ranked above 63rd place in the rankings of 126 teams. Now if you said, drops are within reason with the overall NCAA average of the top 10 teams, that would be a different story.  So if you averaged all drops from the Patriots & the Browns, would that make it an acceptable number for all teams in the NFL? I say no.

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allinosu's picture

It's just an JT excuse for those who think it's everything but him. It was brought up by a staff member that the drops were within reason because a lot of people were going off on a perfect throw for aTD and dropped after JT missed badly on 4 other throws for a TD. Hell the last few plays before halftime against Wisconsin he missed two TD passes in 30 seconds. Drops are going to happen and those who think they aren't are living in a dream.

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58Buckeye's picture

Drops are going to happen and those who think they aren't are living in a dream.

 Again by the same logic aren't over throws going to happen?  Tom Brady had 18 incompletions against the Titans, does that mean he sucks as a QB? All I am trying to say is, it's not always the QB's fault when a pass goes incomplete. How many times have you seen a defender pull the jersy of the receiver & not get called for it. That little pull of the jersy throws of the rhythm of the receiver on a timing play between the QB & receiver, which results in the incompletion (looks like an over thrown ball) that is at no fault of either player. Yet alot of people tend to blame the QB. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty that are bad throws, but not as many as people want to blame on JT. IMO, JT is a much better QB than he gets credit for.

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allinosu's picture

JT is a very good QB but he does struggle at times in the throwing game.

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58Buckeye's picture

 but he does struggle at times in the throwing game.

That is correct. As is the case with all QB's through out history.

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allinosu's picture

You must be very young to think that. Very good Qbs don't struggle (and definitley not all)nearly as much. Jt has does other things that makes him very good.

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58Buckeye's picture

Tom Brady had 18 incomplete passes in his last game. Did he struggle on any of those 18 passes? I was born in 1958, I might be young depending on what year you were born.

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allinosu's picture

1955. You are really stuck on the Tom Brady thing. I'm talking about missing wide open receivers consistently(especially over 7 yards). 

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58Buckeye's picture

I keep talking about what difference does it make when the receivers struggle to catch the passes under 7 yards?

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allinosu's picture

What games were you watching. Receivers were not STRUGGLING to catch balls thrown at 7 yards. Sure their were a few drops but not as consistent as balls thown behind them or too far high, low or in front of them, late or not at all when the window was open. Man did you have your JT glasses on while you were watching. JT did a lot of things right and was one tough cookie but defensive strategy did expose him when they had the talent to do so.

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allinosu's picture

OK then why is it not acceptable that JT was mid rank in passing yardage.

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58Buckeye's picture

OK then why is it not acceptable that JT was mid rank in passing yardage.

Please show me where you found that (JT was mid rank in passing yardage) fact.

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allinosu's picture

Look up top individual 2018 passing leaders. He is not in the top 50 (50 was as low as it went).

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Stick to the drop and no separation narratives ALLINOSU!  Leave out the facts.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Actually, yes. Of course, it varies by the individual, but from what I've observed, they did a fine job overall in terms of route running this season. They used their splits to find space on the field, their releases were fine, they've been able to use their hands to create separation and seemed to have a much better understanding of the play as a whole this year (meaning, why they have to do what they're supposed to do for the play to work properly).

Again, that's #justmytake from what I've observed, but I think at the very least, it was much better than it was last season.

Stampeding Buckeye's picture

Thanks for clarifying, Kevin. While I agree they were much better than last year, some additional improvement in getting open vs. the best teams would still be very welcome, especially with a new QB. 

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TBDBITL_J3's picture

While I hate to see players leave early for the draft I was actually excited to see some of the young WRs we've signed recently...I hope they see playing time because we will be deep at WR! 

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Hmrivera76's picture

I would have been fine if some of them left.  Besides Mack, no one showed they were top notch.  Give the younger guys a chance.

Hector m Rivera

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Younger guys have a chance every day in practice, just as the others do.  Mack had disappearing act games too.

Oh well, seems the new era QB the young guys were hankering for came a year later then they originally thought.

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rosycheeks's picture

Semi-serious question: How many "your son is starting" calls is Zach Smith gonna make next year? Over/under 6.5?

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Zach Smith lists 6 starting receivers every year, so I'd take the under. It sounds ridiculous, but in my opinion, it makes sense. He feels he needs 6 guys (two at each receiver position) capable of producing at the first-team level. To him, it's irrelevant which three actually actually run out on the field first as a "starter," because they're all going to see roughly the same number of reps throughout the season and the three "starters" will likely change every game anyway. 

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they're all going to see roughly the same number of reps throughout the season

Perhaps this is a problem.

Curious if anyone has Michael Thomas's snap count numbers relative to his counterparts in his last season.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

That would be interesting to look at. I think if one guy separates himself from the group, he will obviously see more reps (Thomas in 2015, Curtis Samuel in 2016), but if nobody does and everyone seems to be playing at about the same level, rotation makes sense so you keep your players fresh every down. Especially when the offense requires them to block downfield nearly every play the way it does.

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@Kevin Harrish

In MANY programs, "star" receivers get excused from each-and-every-down perimeter and downfield blocking. That's NEVER going to happen in an Urban Meyer offense.  If we had every-down WR's, they'd be gassed by the 3rd quarter (if they hit all their blocks)

This system gives us a strong edge in our rushing game and screen passing game. Rotating WR's are here to stay in Urban Meyer's offense.

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Buckeye24's picture

These guys returning can only be a good thing for the offense and the new QB. When the vast majority of JT's throws/completions were anywhere from 2 yards behind the line of scrimmages to 4 yards downfield your wide receiver production won't look that great. Thats the very reason the 2 guys that played the H was the leading pass catchers. Same with Samuel last year. For the WR production to improve there has to be better throws "downfield". JT was awful on throws 10+ yards downfield. While some would like to point out the drops - they were right around the average in College football. 2 big drops stand out Dixon in the Big 10 championship game and Campbells in the Indiana game both for TDs. Of the other drops I remember 99% was short passes that wasn't even going to be 1st downs. 

I look back now and wish we hadn't blowed Harris freshman year with a couple of meaningless catches in blowouts. Just don't see  how Babb coming off a ACL injury does not get red shirted and the same way for the Brown kid he will need to red shirt.

Hopefully we run Campbell more like we did against USC.  Was wanting that all year!!!! 

Im just looking for way better throws downfield to our WR's this year.

Artthedart

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CTownBucknut's picture

This may have been mentioned already, but I wonder if many of them decided to come back because of Haskins?  This is meant as no slight to JT, I greatly appreciate all that he did, but even the staunchest JT supporters would have to at least admit that Haskins projects as somebody who will be more of a pure passer.  I'd have to think that is particularly exciting for the WR group, and a chance to prove that part of their less than stellar numbers was based on the style of offense being run?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Zone 6 will be loaded this year. Nuff said..........

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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