After. Russell's comment last summer, I'm happy to see him return to Columbus to reconnect with the program and his former teammates (as I expected he would).
It was an away game in NJ but I think your point still stands. He's starting to get connected back with Ohio State which is a positive. Next step is to get him back on campus.
Thanks for the corection. With me living in Joisey, and almost making it to the game, it was truly an unforced error.
Love the way Holtmann credits the players and Thad for the current success. Organizations build a culture from the top and coach is clearly not a “me” guy. Bodes well for the future.
Never burn bridges! Holtmann seems like a class act.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
And we're lucky to have the AD we have. There's just been too much success through times that would sink most school programs not to credit his administration.
Chop it down with the edge of my hand
Not sure why you were downvoted, Nickel. Gene Smith has objectively done a phenomenal job as the OSU AD. OSU athletics is now worth more than any other college program. And we've had major success in just about every other sport.
Firing (mutually parting ways) with a legend like Thad Matta is ridiculously hard and sensitive stuff -- and can easily implode a program. He took his time but did it well, with respect to Thad & Thad's former players. But also found a real gem in Holtmann.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
Yes, exactly so, especially regarding Matta, who's a favorite of mine, as he's been with a lot of ppl.
One thing I know, just as with the HC position, exec administrator positions polarize ppl. Or, perhaps it's about the alt football uniforms, ha
The guy is not only coaching well, he never seems to say or do anything stupid. So far he is the perfect hire.
Seems like OSU would be wise to hold-off until the spring NCAA vote. Seems to be a lot of traction in letting basketball players to skip the usual 1 year of having to sit out. Believe they vote this spring and if it passed would go into effect 18/19. Meaning any kid with the right grades/gpa could potentially transfer to OSU next year and not have to sit out...
I would think even if they transferred before the vote the NCAA would allow the kid currently under current transfer rules to be moved to the new ones. But, this is the NCAA so maybe not.
Not as yet will any big time players want to transfer to Ohio State. AND all transfer players should be scrutinized carefully before accepting a transfer, when it becomes so easy to do so. More players with "baggage" will transfer when they don't have to sit a year.
Chris has turned many heads and it was a hire that flew under the radar over the summer. Hearing that the recruits are noticing what's going on in Columbus is a refreshing change.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I was pumped when I heard we got Butler's coach. I'll take butler's stuff gladly
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
I think Gene Smith found the pearl in the oyster.
Best thing about Holtmann's future is that he'll be bringing in his recruits and teaching them at a different level. This team won't just be competitive, they will be the team nobody wants to play.
I believe this is 100% accurate....basketball is not just about talent, but about toughness, and team/family mentality and Holtmann at Butler helped make them a threat in the Big East and to the rest of the country. I am excited for what the future holds with Buckeye Basketball!!
They've taken our "stuff" on the court recently, so I'll take theirs too!
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
it is important to keep an ear to the ground on what recruits are "noticing"; but dangerous to buy-in or even repeat some of the stuff they are 'saying' on 'media'.
as was once said with great wisdom:
"I we must decrease, so he can increase"
Who was the dipshit asking about Diop leaving early? Enjoy the season. Smh
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Holtmann is having an Urban Meyer-like first year. No excuses like "he needs three years to build a team" (looking at you, TTUN football fans).
He just got to work and the team has responded and bought in. Glad to have him on board.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Listening to Coach Holtmann on his show and the way he speaks reminds me of the Senator. His answers are well thought out.
I read blitz
I can’t imagine what he can do with a full roster and with legit depth
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
AND more size.
I've noticed the top programs in the country are starting to find "big men" in foreign countries, since they're a relative scarcity in the US. Also, they're usually older and more mature physically due to playing against "men" earlier in their career. Since there are'nt high school basketball teams in many countries, they are made to "play up" in club teams.
Where would we add? Another center seems obvious, but then where? A possible grad transfer PG to allow CJ time off the ball, to continue his improved 3-point shooting, and to bring FR PG Duane Washington along more slowly? Or if Jaedon Ledee is really a SF, then go even bigger with PF?
Buckeyes need an experienced PG and C. Hopefully, one or both will be added to next years team
I think that adding some experience to this young team would be the route that I would go in adding to this class..plus that ass won't take such a hit once they are all old enough/able to leave the program..get some graduate transfers for the experience
This success should help recruiting. Got to get that top tier talent to consider OSU....and stay for more than one season.
And there lies the philosophical problem. Do you go after the top tier talent, and try to compete with the Duke's and Kentucky's for elite talent that will likely leave early, or do you go for solid talent, if not top tier, and have a better chance of developing those players over the longer haul? Personally, I prefer option two, get the 2nd tier of players, and try to build something like a Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, etc. The biggest thing they have to start doing, however, is to keep the top Ohio talent home. I already see some of the top Ohio players committed elsewhere the next few cycles, some that are right in OSU's backyard. Hopefully OSU's current success will have some of these Ohio kids re-considering.
a good coach / recruiter should be able to recruit against those big boys. thad did it.
so should holtman...im happy with next years recruiting class and im sure he'll land an even better one once high school kids see what he's all about with a full season of HIS guys.
>>Personally, I prefer option two, get the 2nd tier of players, and try to build something like a Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, etc.
and how many NCAA championships have those schools won in the last 10 years? hint...same as us.
id rather compete vs the big boys and get the big dogs...you cant win the NCAA tournament without elite NBA talent. (Villanova was an aberration but Jay Wright is 10x the x's and o's coach that Thad was)
i dont like comparing ourselves to cinderella programs considering the scope and budget of the athletic department. even if we are a "football school"
we should absolutely be going toe to toe with UK, KU, Duke, UNC etc.
i completely agree with you regarding keeping ohio kids home. I was annoyed with Cohill, Hunter, Francis all headed elsewhere but to be fair Holtman hasnt had ample time to make an imprint amongst OHSAA coaches yet.
but the future is bright. and I am excited.
I think Holtmann's bread and butter will be the 20-80 range in terms of player rankings. Looking around the roster that would include guys like KBD (20-40), Tate (30-50), Wesson (70s), Young (80s), Kam (70s). This would give him those players that have a lot of talent but need the development. Look at how much better these guys are playing under a development based coach. Imagine KBD if Holtmann had him for 3 years! If he can land a top 20 guy every once in a while, great, that will help against the elites, but getting multiple top 80 guys gives him tons of depth, yet they will still either have: tremendous athleticism yet need BBIQ, or BBIQ but not elite athleticism. Either way, those are the players that win championships with the right development.
Look at the previous winners in the 1 and done era. Duke, UK, Arizona, UCLA, and Kansas have combined for 2. (1 of Duke's was a upperclassmen laden team).
So the 1 and done style has only produced 2 nattys in 15 years. Just something to consider.
I will pound and pound you until you quit
- Woody Hayes
Honestly would up vote this 110 times for the 110% his team is currently giving!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
I agree with the majority of what you said, but don't think we need a roster full of "elite" talent to win a National Championship...if we could have 1-2 elite players on the roster and the rest guys in the Top 100 recruiting, who aren't going anywhere for 2+ years...then we can build a program out of that.
The roster full of elite's has not produced like many thought it would because talent doesn't always trump experience, so we must have a balance of both. I like the idea of running after the big fish..but also not forsaking some of those who could be big fish with the right coaching...case in point Dakich, rode the bench and played garbage minutes because he "wasn't good enough" at TTUN...was going to go to Quinnipiac but came here and Holtmann has him playing at a pretty high level and being a benefit to the team..
Needless to say...In Holtmann I trust...
Option 2 will get you to the Elite 8 or a Final Four on occasion, witness Wisconsin. Only option 1 can win a National Title. At Ohio State proof is in the pudding with Greg Oden's class, who win it all if Florida's player's all didn't decide to return to defend.their Title. Even that doesn't happen any more.
Ohio State also found out you can't win a Title with one or two 1 and doners, witness Koufos, Mullens and Russell. You need a class full.
Priority would be to get a top notch point guard, perhaps a grad transfer.
Dakich is gone. Tate is gone. Kam is gone.
CJ needs someone else back there, preferably with experience so all our young guys can adjust.
Musa Jallow will likely get a lot more play time next year and be a true 2
It's (always) a great time to be a Buckeye!
I was skeptical of the Holtmann hiring at the time. I was even more skeptical of the 8 year contract he was offered. I know it's only half a season, but that is all put to rest. Even if OSU basketball had been performing at where I thought they would (middle of the pack Big 10, 2-4 or 3-3 in Big 10 play right now), the skepticism would have been laid to rest. He's doing everything right off the court. And the on the court success speaks for itself. What a season this has been so far. Congrats to Coach and the team. Keep it up!
I bet his 8 year contract is renegotiated LONG before it's over. Gene Smith again.
Holtmann has all the traits of a really great coach - one that can stay with the program for a long time and make a lot of other programs jealous. It's a great feeling when you stand by a team that struggles and then see them thrive and just say "I told you so"... let's keep it going