Skull Session: Dwayne Haskins and Nick Bosa's Heisman Odds, Basketbucks Expectations Changing, and Scouting Billy Price

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Jsstull's picture

Doesn’t the best coach in the B1G deserve privacy? 

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0H-10's picture

No sarcasm font for me...he absolutely does! Penalty flag on the Sour Grapes Marionnaire. Especially when it reads like the neighbors created the HOA a full 5 years after Ferentz's bought the property, and then tried to impose HOA & other fees upon the Ferentz family even though they previously agreed they would not be involved and even went so far as to place a lien on their property! They even had a prior agreement that they would not share in the road costs for the imposed upgrades because they preferred not to upgrade. Who are the fascist's here? Does not sound like the perennial COY to me. A wo/man has a right to plant trees on her/his own property...and to have a gravel road remain a gravel road if s/he wants...and the court has not found against them yet, so how can you/we? Sorry but this call is (obvi) under review from the booth.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I completely agree. This sounds to me like a back door way of trying to force your rich neighbors to pay for stuff. 

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0H-10's picture

Exactly...and after the fact.

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craigfling's picture

Agreed. I'm not saying Ferentz isn't a dick, but the homeowner's association does seem to be.

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0H-10's picture

Yeah Craig...I thought the same thing.

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Zimmy07's picture

That being said, you can’t plant trees on someone else’s property and expect there not to be trouble.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The article says they encroach on the road, not on a neighbor’s property. He lives at the very end of a private cul de sac. How much encroachment can there be?

I’m trying to imagine the HOA having a meeting, sitting in the living room of one of their houses sipping wine and bitching about the Ferentzes. Kirk is a notoriously private man, as many coaches aspire to be but fame encroaches on their privacy. It’s a price they have to pay but who can want to blame them if they want to block the view of their home from the street from fans who drive by wanting to gawk or honk or yell drunken obscenities after a loss? You can’t pick your neighbors and it sounds like Ferentz has some doozies.

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Dstacify's picture

Tbh if I were a college coach at a respected and heavily followed football program I'd be emphasizing privacy from the general public as well just for the sake of avoiding potential harassment from disgruntled fans who may not like the job that's being done by the HC. Whose to say that's not what these neighbors are and they're just being overly subtle about their intentions? Iowa fans are extremely passionate about their team and many also likely feel that Ferentz has overstayed his welcome there considering despite the many successes he's had they've never come close to winning a NC under him and he's not really considered to be a top-tier recruiter (at least not so much now). The fact that his son is his OC (despite reporting directly to the school's AD to avoid nepotism) probably rubs a lot of people in and outside of Iowa City the wrong way as well. Head coaches have to deal with disgruntled media members more than anyone so they're well entitled to their privacy at home. It would not shock me if Urban promotes the same practice when he's in the privacy of his home with his family (even if he doesn't live on a remote piece of land like the Ferentz's do). Hell, look what happened to Herbstreit when he was living in Cbus that ultimately resulted in him relocating? That was a result of a small contingent of fans taking issue with him not being biased enough towards OSU on College Gameday. I don't always agree with the things Herbie says on ESPN (he actually said John O'Korn was a good QB this year, come on now) but nobody deserves that kind of treatment. It's why coaches and public figures are entitled to their privacy.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

Doesn't Kerry Coombs plant flags all over Michigan? I must have missed if they were upset about that.

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SilverHaven's picture

What's with the wo/man and s/he?
Get up to date.
The new gender neutral pronouns are: zie, zim, zis and zir.
Mahalo.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

That was last week. The pronouns zie, zim, zis, and zir are now verboten. Please use oh, ah, uhs, and urs. 

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painterlad's picture

Now it's eep, opp, ork and a-ha.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Legs is next week’s word.

Help spread the word.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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SilverHaven's picture

Mahalo RFR for keeping me updated.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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lamplighter's picture

As I read the article, the litigation does not involve the road repairs, rather the breach of the 2001 agreement not to plant tress/landscaping.   If the agreement was a valid contract, then the COY and his wife could possibly have to remove the stuff, because they may have bargained that right away.  Similar to the Florida treehouse (built without a permit)

Really, not enough in the article to make a quasi-educated guess.  Property was never my strong suit

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smibr37's picture

Similar to the Florida treehouse (built without a permit)

Is that the same as the Clemson slide? 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

We just moved to a new condo in the Kierland area of Scottsdale - apparently there is a complete dick running the HOA for the complex - to the point they've named him Nazi Dave... sigh.  I haven't had the displeasure to run into this fat bastard but from the stories I've heard already, it will not be a pleasant event when I do.  I believe it will come soon since there is been a new HOA law imposed against BBQ grills, for which I just received from Santa!

Speaking of laughable... I see we already have another September Heisman winner in the QB from TTUN... when are they ever going to learn that this NEVER works out... the QB screamer (opposite of QB whisperer?) is already fucking this kid up as I type!

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Love that area.  Got there to play golf with the fam each year.  However, had the unfortunate idea of going last July when it was routinely 115 and 105 at midnight.  

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Fight the good fight, and cook good meats!

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lamplighter's picture

No BBQ?  Totally un-American. What is the rationale for that?  Smoke? 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I don’t understand the sarcasm. Fame and celebrity come with a price to privacy that most of us don’t understand. I can’t blame Ferentz for wanting to protect his privacy.

As it relates to Iowa’s cost of living, one man’s cheapness is another man’s better quality of life. Case in point: Ferentz owns a 5,200 SF 2-story on 12.4 acres with another 2,200 finished in the basement and it’s assessed for only $1.2 million. The problem with owning a million dollar home in Iowa is finding a buyer whenever you’re ready to sell. There just aren’t that many.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Which suggests that not a lot of households in Iowa make roughly $350,000/year or more. I could see myself living in Iowa, but moral of the story for people who want 7,000 SF houses (not me): either become the head football coach of Iowa, or make a chunk of money first and then move to Iowa.

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Desymond's picture

It's a sad day when 12.5 acres can't even get you away from your neighbors. 

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IamFin's picture

I pulled up their address on Google Maps/Earth.  While I could be mistaken, it appears that the Ferentz house is at the end of the drive.  Even ignoring the validity of a agreement, real or perceived, I'm struggling to understand why it matters.  The other residents on the street really have no reason/need to drive past their own house, let alone all the way to the end of the drive where the Ferentz house is.  Even if it were paving/repairs, ok, pave until the last house excluding Coach's.  TLDR:  Whatever.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Applaud the investigative journalistic effort here.

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08Buckeye's picture

So true on the sales side, Fred Hoiberg’s house was for sale for at least a year after he left in Ames.  Matt Campbell bought a nice house but bought one in one of the nice developments in Ames rather than a very private and exclusive home.

Also, I think the list puts Iowa as the 9th cheapest state, not the 2nd.

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0H-10's picture

But with 50,000+ millionaires in the state someone will surely buy if COY's estate wants to sell.

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Buckloving's picture

yeah there's no wealthy people in Iowa......fk me

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iowabuckeyes's picture

We must have a lot more meth manufacturers than I thought.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Nothing says, "This is not my destination job," like buying a home with good resale value.

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brutus0717's picture

Frankly I'm a bit surprised that Dobbins isn't listed among Heisman favorites for next year. I get that it's a quarterback award these days, but giving the nod to a first year starter in Haskins seems a bit disrespectful. Or maybe it's the uncertainty surrounding Weber's future.

Watching the BasketBucks is definitely easier this year, which is to say I'm actually doing it. As I've said all along, it's not about the results, but the effort given in obtaining those results. Go Bucks!

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BrutusB's picture

For a RB to win you need close to 2k yards (and hope no QBs stand out). Weber coming back basically kills JKs chances on the first point. 

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Meek's picture

Dobbins isn't listed with Heisman odds, but I'm sure Vegas will still take your bet.

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allinosu's picture

Especially when it's not in cement that Haskins gets the nod at QB.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah, I think Haskins is talented and all.  But his ranking is pretty ridiculous.  We're not even sure he'll be the starter yet.  And he's ranked above Browning (who has potential to put up huge numbers) and Tua (who looked great under pressure).  And Dobbins' omission in light of this is a bit perplexing. 

I can't say I understand those odds.  Maybe Vegas is just very high on the Bucks, leading them to prop-up whoever they think will be the starting QB.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

The oddsmaker would have taken that into consideration. The oddsmaker probably likes Haskins better than Kelly Bryant (25/1), but since Bryant is the presumptive starter, Bryant's odds are lower. I'm guessing, if Haskins is declared starter, this oddsmaker would drop Haskins into the 20/1 range or thereabouts. 

Right now, without knowing whether Haskins is the starter, the oddsmaker is doing a mental "calculation" along these lines: 0.75 (likelihood Haskins is the starter in 2018) x 0.0625 (probability Haskins wins Heisman if he's the starter) = 0.47 (which translates to about 30/1).    

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xyzner's picture

Fromm leading the way is also kind of curious given most of the UGA fans on Reddit cfb think Fields will end up the starter. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yeah, I agree. As a general rule, the oddsmakers will "error" on the side of setting these futures odds too low, but not the other way around. For "popular" players like Fromm and Shea Patterson, they figure they can low ball those and will still get good action. What they're afraid of doing is going too high on a legit player: e.g. setting Haskins at 50/1 and then serious gamblers plunk down $1,000+ on what they figure to be a potential "overlay."   

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OSU1978's picture

With those odds I'd bet Haskins, Tua and Tate Martell (do I get an infinite payoff on Tate?).  If Haskins starts, and I think he will, he will put up amazing passing stats.  The main thing he misses is having the name of Fromm.  I would bet against Fromm.  His passing ability isn't in the same league as Haskins.

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BrutusB's picture

Fromm also has an entire year of experience and led his team to the NCG.  Haskins has thrown a total of 7 meaningful passes.

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OSU1978's picture

And Pua had 0 meaningful passes as a TRUE freshman and way out played and out inspired his teammates to score 20 in reg, and another TD in OT, whereas Hurts, with 2 yrs more experience with 3 playoff games under his belt who had led his team to 2 NCGs was shut out.  So much for experience and NCG games.

Look, you can bury your head in the sand about Haskins (speaking here w/ no knowledge of your opinion on DH other than your above statement) but there is no doubt in any reasonably unbiased person's head that Haskins can "pass".  Yes, there is a lot more to QBing than passing, and my expectations for DH in the running game are little, but rest assured his season PE will be 170+ (171 puts him in 3rd place in CF).  Winning most every game, being in a top-notch & top-marketed program like OSU, at QB, w/ a great passing arm, and great coaches supporting him - that's a great launching pad for Heisman and why I think his odds are way understated.  

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BornNbredAthensBuckeye's picture

I'm sure if Weber had announced he was going pro than we would be included in the odds.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Other than Jake Fromm, there are no other names that have any cache going into next year.  It should be a wide open Heisman beauty contest.

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crabapple buck's picture

He is destined to take over for Aaron Rodgers as their football spokesman...Jake Fromm State Farm

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Zimmy07's picture

Now that’s funny right there.

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RodVedder4's picture

Excellence and greatness will be remembered...there is no room for average. None. - Urban Meyer

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Joey Bosa

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

He might have some competition.

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osu78's picture

there are no other names that have any cache going into next year

You forgot half of TTUN's team, just ask any of their fans...

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unknownmusketeer's picture

Just bet on whichever QB or player gets into trouble in the offseason. /s

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Homey1970's picture

Heisman odds snub?  Insert JK Dobbins pic here.

I understand sharing the backfield might kill his chances but listing odds is a fantasy game anyway.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Could JK Dobbins and Mike Weber become the only twosome to get the Heisman, just like Archie Griffin is the only two-time winner?

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Nutinpa's picture

If they approach anything near the productivity of the 2 RBs from UGA, I will be thrilled.  

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

If they got as many touches as the two Georgia backs, I'd be thrilled.

Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.

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BrutusB's picture

Related - if anyone is dumb enough to take those Bosa odds, please just donate the money to charity. 

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BuckeyeBattleCry's picture

Not as dumb as taking Jalen Hurts. You might as well just light your money on fire. 

I think Saban would Be nuts to not start Tua next year. Hurts should move to rb or wr. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

or TE.

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Desymond's picture

I could see Bosa (through no fault of his own) getting the ESPN dick suck treatment a la one Jabrill Poblano. They probably already have 48 hours worth of stories about the Bosa family cued up. 

Might be enough to get him to the ceremony, but I'm with you, doubt he wins it.

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BrutusB's picture

If Suh didn't win it, no DL is ever going to win it.

To be a defensive player and win you better play some special teams and have a few cameos on offense too.  And even then I wouldn't like your chances.

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JTstan16's picture

#TeamTate looking at those odds like: 

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BrutusB's picture

Give me 2500/1 on #BaldwinBus

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Consider me a member of the TateTrain club!  I think he kicks some serious ass this year and takes that #1 job away from Haskins...

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Whoever the lucky soul is to lineup at DE on the opposite side of Bosa should have a lot of solid 1 on 1 opportunities in their favor next season.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Definitely can't argue, but don't sleep on Cooper, he's going to have a lot to prove next season.

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craigfling's picture

Yea haha. That would be funny if No 19 on the list said, "Whoever lines up opposite of Bosa."

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WezBuck28's picture

Not gonna lie here, I think that's probably the first I've seen any type of hype video for the men's basketball team, and it was a pretty good one..coach Holtman needs to pump these things out like Urban does with his squad, get these kids lining up to come play here! We're definitely headed in the right direction!

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I had no idea that a basketBucks video could give me chills. Very nice.

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hetuck's picture

Start planning to maffick after the Santa Clara victory now. Surely there is a bourbon for that. 

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rosycheeks's picture

I'd drop $10 on Tagovailoa. That's some high reward opportunity.

Anyone know who the voice on the bball video is?

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Cruiser79's picture

It sounded like it was Scoonie Penn doing the narration? Nice video!

Cruiser79

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rosycheeks's picture

Ah, I bet that's it. Good call!

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0H-10's picture

What an absolute coup to have that man involved in the team.

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Turfgrad's picture

Beat Maryland and we will talk.

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TMac's picture

They're fun to watch, I have no expectations, just enjoying the ride. 

Beat Maryland!

ONE Not Done!

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Turfgrad's picture

Let's talk!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I have never been a part of a homeowners association but it sounds like an absolute nightmare. My parents were in one when they lived in a condo a few years ago and got in trouble because they did some of their own landscaping. The association was responsible for all the flowers and lawn care but did a half assed job, so my parents did the work themselves to fix it. The neighborhood association got pissed and sent the landscaping company in to remove the quality work my parents did and replace it with another half assed job that they forced my parents to pay for. 

Are we allowed to comment on the Tressel thing? Personally I think he would do a great job as a politician, regardless of party affiliation. He's got a unique experience with people from all across the political and socioeconomic spectrum and I think would do a very good job looking out for the best interests of the people. However, he has not indicated any interest whatsoever in going into politics, its all other people talking so far. MODS, if this is out of bounds feel free to delete.

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Hovenaut's picture

Not editing your comment, MichiBuck - but asking all here to refrain from commenting on The Senator and the possibility that moniker could become reals. 

Staff ran a story in greater detail yesterday, closed for commenting, so let's keep things safe. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Fair enough. Not sure why you got downvoted for that reasonable request. +1 to offset

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Barnsey69's picture

I also gave you an offset UV sir. You are remarkably neutral, and cool as a cucumber all the time...may I suggest you throw your hat in the political ring? Never mind, you would be too busy to Mod on 11W!

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Hovenaut's picture

"...may I suggest you throw your hat in the political ring?"

Oh, such opportunities have since passed me by...

All good, Barnsey - appreciate the kind words.

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BrutusB's picture

The Tressel story is a moot point until we hear from the man himself. “I’m thinking about running” is way different than “insiders would like him to run”. 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Something tells me the the Ferentzes’ HOA situation isn’t like the rest of ours.  We are crammed into neighborhoods with lots of houses and condos.  Sounds like they live on a private road with three or four other wealthy families,

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osu78's picture

Some of whom aren't used to hearing no and have a lot of time on their hands. Living in a neighborhood with an HOA I've found a lot depends on the board. Get a good one and they act to maintain property values without being dicks. I once did a bunch of painting without getting the colors approved, so called the board who said "Looks nice, no problem..."

Get one with the "smalll person with big badge" syndrome and all hell breaks loose. We had one who would leave little "notes" in mailboxes about things she though needed to be done. Violating Federal law concerning what can be put in mailboxes is not a good idea when you start pissing off all your neighbors; especially after some of us call and try to explain nicely what she was doing was not a way to make friends and influence people. 

OTOH, we had a board get a major overhaul of our pool and tennis facilities by taking the novel approach of explaining what was proposed, the costs, getting input and ultimately winning a special assessment vote.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

As long as he keeps Bollman off his staff I'd vote for him.

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

"Tressel campaign spokesman Nick Siciliano..."

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Hovenaut's picture

Stepped down as HOA President a little over a year ago (after a three year bout with insanity). 

Best move I ever made. 

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0H-10's picture

Boards, committees, & HOA's will Wear. You. Out.

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Hovenaut's picture

I'll never volunteer in that aspect ever again...above and beyond the fact we're looking at moving closer to DC in a few years. 

My requirements?

Larger garage, shed, a corner with a tv and mini-fridge, and no god damned HOA.

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0H-10's picture

A high school classmate just bought a home that is part of Washington's original Mt. Vernon estate; loves being outside of the rat race a bit in a more pastoral setting - still too close to city life for me...says the guy who resides in Toronto. 

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osu78's picture

looking at moving closer to DC in a few years. 

Why would anyone leave Charm City?

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Hovenaut's picture

Actually about 40 minutes west, or right (said Fred), of Balmur, '78.

The Mrs and I are ready to cut the commute life...it's become too tedious.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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osu78's picture

Understand the commute. I have done that occasionally when I don't stay in DC and couldn't stand it every day.

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blueblazer22's picture

Some of the items that the HOA asks for here are borderline ridiculous. A few too many rules for my taste, including the landscaping. Had to replace a garage door that was cracked, and that took weeks to get cleared even though I chose the correct door and a company off of their list to install it. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I find it easiest to ask for forgiveness later rather than permission ahead of time. I put up a fairly large gazebo that I'm almost positive required approval. Haven't heard anything yet from our seemingly strict HOA.

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blueblazer22's picture

I ended up doing just that. I knew I had the correct door and that the installer was ok, so I had them come out and get it done. Around 9-10 days later I got the official all clear, and they came by at some point to say it was all good. Had I waited I would have been without a usable garage for a week and a half

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osu78's picture

Got you beat - I ran for our board once and lost.

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Jalen Hurts at Alabama?

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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Scooter's picture

Not to be a that person, but Iowa is listed as #9 in that article.  But thanks for the link.  We've been checking out retirement locales lately, with taxes on the rise in UA.  Can't say I'd want to be neighbors with the B1G perenniel COY, though.

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BucksHave7's picture

Oh boy, the PSU player for Heisman hype already started?   Gimme a break.   McSorley only looked good because the best player in the country was in his backfield w the best OC in the country.

Do people not know PSU replaces 7 starters on D and will lose 3-4 games? 

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Nutinpa's picture

McSorley deserves his place in the Heisman race.   A lot of people from around the country, less biased, will shake hands and disagree with you, 7.  He is the real deal whether you like him or not, no matter who is in the backfield with him.  Sure, losing Barkley will hurt, just like losing Zeke hurt JTB, but he'll be fine.  And as for their losses, don't look now, but we lose a lot too.  

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LoufromOSU's picture

He loses a lot more than just SB, he loses Gisecki and Hamilton.  Miles Sanders is a nice weapon, but I still wouldn't bet a nickel on him.  His best play is throwing an arm punt and letting his WR out battle the DB.  At some point, that stops working, especially when you lose your top 3 weapons.   

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Nutinpa's picture

No question he loses some weapons, lou.  But for the record, those aren't arm punts, any more than what Cardale Jones put up 3 years ago to Devin Smith were arm punts.  Sooner or later, we as a fan base have to recognize that some QBs can throw the long ball -- or at worst, throw it up there and trust their WRs to make a catch even if it means some passes are INTs  .  It's not a radical concept just because we have rarely done it in 3 years.  And no, that wasn't a jab at JT.....just a realization.  We can't complain about not being able to stretch the field and then in our next breath, call it luck when someone else does.  

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Well, I think its night and day to compare the arm strength of McSorley and Jones, but assuming arguendo your point is correct, how did Cardale Jones do without Devin Smith?  McSorely has already lost Godwin, now he loses his top 4 targets (I neglected Blacknall) and a change at OC.  Good luck with improving on 28TD and 10ints (that should have been at least 11 int but B1G Refs gonna B1G Ref).

Time will tell, but he isn't some gunslinger with top shelf NFL talent that I would put my money on.   

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Nutinpa's picture

Analytically, I can't argue with your post, Lou.  Yes, the Nitts lose a lot, and when Smith left, Jones did not have anyone to fill the void. No argument there.  It is also worthy noting that McSorley is just as dangerous with his feet as he is with his arm, but that only makes him a good college QB, not an NFL QB.   So, net/net, I think him to be a better QB than you do, but I agree with you, it would be a miracle if his production next year was anywhere near what this year's was.  If it is, whether we agree or not, he will be a Heisman candidate or at least be in the conversation early as PSU plays nobody OOC if I recall correctly.

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LoufromOSU's picture

Good discussion.  Time will tell and I wasn't necessarily saying he was a bad college QB.  I just don't think he will be in the Heisman discussion. 

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BucksHave7's picture

Here is McSorley's problems.....

1) No Barkley

2) No Moorehead

3) Offensive line is questionable

4) No Hamilton and Gesiki

5) Replacing 7 starters on defense,   No one with 3-4 losses will win Heisman.  Even PSU msg boards saying 2019 (not 2018 is their year).

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BucksHave7's picture

Again, we went through this all last year w Barkley up until PSU went 1-2 over 3 weekends.  McSorley is a very good QB, but a Heisman winner?  No way.   See my 5 reasons below.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

This past season really was their best chance in a long time at getting into the playoff and Barrett and company absolutely stepped on and crushed their tiny little hearts. The Black Out was appropriate because man, at the end of that game if you came in blue and white you were in a funeral procession to get out of her shoe as quickly as possible.

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mugbucket's picture

If Mother Teresa ever ran an HOA, she would be the Devil. After the kids were all grown and out of the nest, we moved to the country for many reasons, but never being in another HOA was in the top 5. Anyone out here even mentions the thought of starting one is allowed a running start to the end of my gravel driveway...

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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blueblazer22's picture

The vodka bottle story certainly is odd. Not so sure if I had a bottle worth $1.3 million that I would hide it in plain sight in a bunch of shelves with other spirits. 

I suppose if TTUN can be 10-1 to win it all, then Shea Patterson might as well be on the list to win the Heisman. The faithful up north can dump their money down a sewer in two bets now. 

Looking forward to seeing how the hoops team does tonight after the huge win. Hope they are motivated and ready. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Good call. Could you imagine if your #teens drank from it and filled it back up with water?

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blueblazer22's picture

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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livinginthegrey's picture

HOAs have a purpose and can benefit/protect like-minded home owners. They aren’t for everyone and not all are run properly. 

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Vberger's picture

What I find maddening about the HOA I belong to, is that no matter how many new homes are built, our HOA payment doesn't go down.  Somehow the expenditures of the HOA always magically equal the amount of money taken in, despite there being no added costs incurred by the HOA.  It's a true case of cooking the books.

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Zimmy07's picture

Be thankful your assessment doesn’t go up by the maximum amount allowed by State law.  Every. Single. Year.  Endow this, HOA.

i figured that with the amount they take in minus actual necessary expenses, they could have paid off every mortgage in the subdivision within 30 years.

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Jdadams01's picture

I'm in the insurance industry (commercial niche products mostly) and one of our lines is crime insurance for condo associations and HOA's. Crime insurance as in employee dishonesty and theft. Those associations are ripe for abuse and the first thing I would do before joining one is check to see if they have a Crime policy. If they don't, it's likely because a) they don't want one to avoid questions or b) they had no internal controls whatsoever and weren't insurable or were quoted a very high premium rate. Either way, members of an HOA need to make sure they are protected.

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Desymond's picture

So crime insurance is what pays out when someone on the HOA goes nuts and cuts down all their neighbors trees and then the HOA gets sued for $250,000?

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Jdadams01's picture

Possibly, depending on the exact coverage. Your typical policy will just cover losses resulting from an HOA officer stealing money from the HOA.

What you're talking about, joking or no, is something you technically could have covered under liability coverage. A creative underwriter can put almost anything on a policy for the right premium, limits, and deductibles.

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Desymond's picture

Gotchya. Not joking, a genuine inquiry. I've read a bunch of interesting HOA legal issues on reddit, and it's just very fascinating to me. Trees are worth a lot, and I guess most people don't realize that.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Football Buckeyes can tell the Basketball Buckeyes a few things about getting everybody’s best shot.

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Go1Bucks's picture

Haskins Heisman odds should be zero, as he still needs to try to become the starting QB vs Burrows and Martell. Duh and stupid at same time.

Go Bucks!

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

It's been a while, but.... Hey DJ, you made a typo saying Nick Bosa's Heisman odds are 30/1 when the table says 35/1. Muah! Good night!

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Thanks, Urbz. Glad you're still alive.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Dude - that name is GOLD Jerry, GOLD!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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TMac's picture

Maryland coming in hurt rather than hot. 

ONE Not Done!

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rosycheeks's picture

Hope the Bucks avoid a letdown. Btw, anyone notice that the Basketbucks might have broken MSU for good? OT at home against Rutgers? woof

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Sanantonefan's picture

Noticed that--think they may be shell-shocked after we smacked them up-side the head with a 2x4.

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Schizo's picture

There must be something in the water over at Maryland. 

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BuckeyeMike74's picture

I need to put 20 bucks on Tua.   That’s an easy $1000. 

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DrSpaceman's picture

That was my reaction, too. I mean at 50/1 why not????

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

I'm.always amazed at fan reactions to the non-starters on the roster. When he was signed Ed as a recruit it was "you have to get Jonathan Cooper on the field now!!!" And now 2 years later it's "we have to count on Jonathan Cooper as our depth at DE? I'm so worried!!!"

Ditto for Dwayne Haskins who as a recruit "he's going to be the best QB ever at Ohio State" then 2 years later it's "he can never see the field, you can't think about replacing JT with him."

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Buckeye419er's picture

Not for this guy. I've been waiting mostly impatiently for him to get his shot.

There can be only one

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Spivan's picture

I'm not keen on the idea of paying a fee so that others can tell me what I can and can't do with my house.

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Desymond's picture

I've got one bitcoin on whoever gets the reigns to the OSU offense.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

 Let's just hope the basketball team responds better coming off a big win than the football team.

Still stings. 

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t_buckeyes5127's picture

As far as Heisman odds if Patterson possibly not playing is a reason he should be lower, couldn't the same argument be made for Haskins? He's guaranteed nothing either and, honestly, if Patterson doesn't get an NCAA waiver then there's something wrong. Also, anyone know why JK isn't listed? Only thing I can think of is having to give away some carries to Weber with his return next season. 

Also let's rejoice that we can all actually be excited for a Buckeye basketball game again tonight. Haven't felt like this since Aaron Craft was locking down opposing point guards. 

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allinosu's picture

How does Heisman odds work as far as gambling go? 

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jmmysms's picture

We spent about a year searching for home in the NOLA area.

The house we bought was one we looked at several times. One of the deciding factors was no HOA. As mentioned that can be good or bad but in our current neighborhood it is not a problem. In my past neighborhood the HOA was a problem and the president of the HOA was my next door neighbor. She was always trying to get me to join the board. I was one of the original builders in a subdivision that eventually had close to 200 homes. As the neighborhood grew, so did he problems.

I rented a condo across from the beach in West Palm beach while working at a job. That HOA was over the top. You could not own a van, you could but could not park on the property, and if you owned a truck it had to be a high end truck, with no company names on it. I was at work and got a call because my buddies from Ohio left towels on the furniture outside to dry. There was one guy that had a huge telescope, not pointed at the beach but at the condos to observe those terrible rule breakers.

I'll take the team success over individual awards. Maybe if they give the Heisman to an OL or DL I might be interested.

JSMS

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

That guy should grt a radar gun so he could yell at cars to slow down!

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Sanantonefan's picture

That guy should get a life!

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buckeyepastor's picture

The start to b-ball season has been an awesome surprise.  Expected improvement, but we have gone very quickly from thinking “are they going to show up this week” to “how will they handle their business now that they ran the #1 ranked team off the court?”  Curious how they handle success, but it’s been so much more fun watching this team.  

Good Gawd, Shea Patterson is almost in the top 5.  Even if he is the real deal, Harbaugh’s offense is going to take a while before it’s explosive.  From the blocking schemes to formations to the sketchy WR play they had last year, it’s not happening.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

sketchy WR play

Agreed for the most part. They'll get Tarik Black back from injury, and he was hell on wheels before he got hurt. And we're assuming Patterson will get his waiver from the NCAA; he might not. Should be interesting.

I aim to misbehave.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Fuck any HOA, give me freedom or give me death.

18 Saturdays till kickoff

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Sanantonefan's picture

Don't hold back--tell us how you really feel! ;)

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Against all HOA. Tell me what kind of trees I have to plant, property that my hard earned dollars pay the taxes on.

18 Saturdays till kickoff

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tcm1968's picture

Shea Patterson?????.. Dude played in 7 games last year and only 3 of them were against real teams... Bama, LSU and Auburn... the other 4 games were Vanderbilt, UT Monroe, South Alabama and Cal.  Against Bama, Auburn and LSU...... 58 - 103 2 TDS and 5 INTS

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SwnsnGody's picture

I know it's been brought up in past (and here), but is that bball hype video hinting at them playing at St. Johns soon?

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Holtmann said earlier this year they want to play some games there but nothing has been announced officially.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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NutBuckz's picture

don't think they'll get much traction calling him stingy.

Guy who gave 1M $ to children's hospital. Locals probably shaking their heads.

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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d gordon a's picture

As we saw in the college championship game speed at QB for college players is essential.  I don`t believe one of the top 3 Buckeye players that is in the top 3 in the nfl  type  40 time will be sitting the bench.  He is the closest thing to Braxton Miller you can find, and it isn`t Mr Haskins.  Going to really enjoy the Spring game.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

I just hope a certain former buckeye football coach does not do what a certain group of people want him to as per a certain article written by a certain 11W writer.  I also hope I didn't break a certain rule, I tired not to but I can't be certain.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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