As always, thank you for stepping up and taking over on the wrestling coverage.
FWIW The official Ohio State Wrestling twitter account has Te'Shan's win scored at 8-2 & the team score as 45-3.
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— Ohio State Wrestling (@wrestlingbucks) January 6, 2018
Tashan was limping around like crazy, final of the match was 7-2 extra point awarded at the end for riding time so score was announced live as 8-2.
Thanks for pointing this out - there was an issue with TrackWrestling's live stats not accurately tallying the riding time points, and with BTN's sub-par graphics this evening, I didn't catch the discrepancy in my notes. The story has been updated to reflect the correct final tally.
The scoreboard definitely said 45-3 when I left. It may have been wrong though.
I conferred with Ohio State's sports info team - the issue was that Track wasn't adding the riding time points correctly in their live stats, and I didn't catch that Hayes' riding time point bumped him to a Major Decision, hence the phantom 45th point.
How was the atmosphere in the building?
It was pretty low key to be totally honest. I've been to wrestleoffs that had more people and it was totally quiet when the action was going on. Felt very much like a high school duel or something especially since it was in the gym and not the arena like two years ago. I was entertained as I am wrestling fan (who's team was clobbering the other) and I was sitting with a guy that I work with the was an All-American so we were just talking wrestling the whole time.
Hit save without finishing my thought. Was gonna follow up that I was entertained with that I'd imagine a non-wrestling fan (who probably wouldn't have been there anyway, I guess) would've been bored out of their tree.
Oh, and I totally lost a dollar to my co-worker betting on the "shoe grab" game the kids played at intermission. My guy didn't come through for me... :)
You can never trust the bulldogs wrestling team to get shoes first :)
no Kyle Snyder affected the atmosphere.
Always love seeing the pin chain....what a blow out
Did not know Maryland was coached by Kerry McCoy...that guy was a legend for Penn State back in the day.
I'm sure the Terps will have better days ahead.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
We went tonight, very disappointed Kyle didn’t wrestle but that’s life. I think the middle of lineup is going to get killed by PSU. You could tell there is a huge difference between the Natos, Martins and Moores vs the middle guys. Hard to tell on tv, but live there is a huge speed/technique difference.
I talked with Coach Ryan earlier in the day, and he said Kyle was flying back from the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, and will be in action Sunday at Rutgers. It's a balance for the Buckeyes and Snyder... he has certain obligations he needs to fulfill for the Team USA, and Ryan has made it clear that as long at duals don't really matter, at least in terms of the team's postseason goals, then it makes more sense for Snyder to be improving himself as a wrestler than it is for him to be wrestling against NCAA competitors that he can dispatch with ease... That said, I'd have been disappointed if I were in your shoes tonight as well; watching him in person really is something.
And you're right about the difference between watching in the arena versus on television in terms of speed, power and athleticism. I am high on Hayes and Campbell, though. They both ground out decisions tonight, but have both shown that they can stand toe-to-toe with just about anyone in their class this year.
Campbell, in many ways, is very much a work in progress. He was very candid early in the season that the move to The Room was a big step up in competition compared to life at Pitt in the ACC, and he was honest about the challenge. He's a dominant wrestler on top, but as Ryan notes, that's the least important of the three positions on the mat, and Campbell needs to improve on bottom and needs to get more shots off, too.
Hayes has all the tools, and he's a competitor. He'll be fine. Can he derail the Zain Train? Eh, I'm not that bullish, but I think he can make the podium for sure.
great breakdown in the article and awesome background / analysis Andy!
Thanks for the coverage, it is much appreciated.
"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill
Agree! Andy does a great job and the 11W connection really helps in keeping engaged.
Have followed Buckeye wrestling with more rigor since.
Loving this analysis and CC's thoughts. I'm happy as a clam with this lineup compared to last year's. We basically gave up points at 125 every match the second half of last year as Rodriguez seemingly checked out. And we've upgraded bigtime from Burcher and Ryan in the middle. We don't need an NCAA champ from those weights, but to win the team points we need more than what we got last year, and our current lineup can provide that (I think and hope).
Nice to have Tomasello back. The BIG Network stated during the match between Nebraska and Illinois that Ohio St. is ranked number 1. If i had to guess Andy you are using a different ranking service? Anyway nice win tonight and glad they will be on TV against Rutgers!
We follow Ohio State’s lead and use the Coaches Poll for dual-meet rankings, and Intermat for individual wrestler rankings.
Most tournament-based rankings (Flo, Intermat, Track, WIN) have Ohio State at No. 1, but that’s based on projected tournament advancement points, not dual meet performance.
Thanks for that Andy. Ranked 1 or 2 this is a very capable team. Enjoy your coverage!
There are 5 venues that do tournament rankings that I follow, the four you mention above and The Open Mat (TOM). TOM had been the lone holdout, ranking PSU over tOSU, due to the fact that they didn't rank NaTo due to inactivity. They released their updated rankings this week and finally had tOSU a slim #1, but still without NaTo in the lineup. With NaTo back and looking very good, that should solidify tOSU's spot at #1 for TOM. As far as the title race in March, rankings don't win titles. The race is close enough between these two teams, that that whichever team performs the best in Cleveland will win the title.
That will be great for the Buckeye graps & fans to have the NCAA's in Cleveland this year.
As far as the title race in March, rankings don't win titles. The race is close enough between these two teams, that that whichever team performs the best in Cleveland will win the title.
Truer words were never spoken. Penn State fans are understandably incredulous when they read that Ohio State is No. 1, when Cael Sanderson returns five defending national champions and has coached six of the last seven national championship teams. The key to this isn't just how many Buckeyes finish on top of the podium, but how many place in total... Penn State has holes in its lineup Ohio State does not, but they beat Ohio State soundly last year, and they assume they can again this time.
I will be in front of the TV / BTN come Feb 3rd!
Pin chain is crucial this year. Tom Ryan recognizes that and appears to be working hard on it. We've got damn good coaches in Columbus.
PSU at 149, and 157 is going to make any team look pedestrian. The good news for OSU when it comes to PSU is their weaker wrestlers are a lot weaker than our weakest wrestlers. If our 149, and 157 can just avoid getting pinned that could go a long way in the duel. In the NCAA tourney Hayes has a really good chance of scoring bonus points with his tilts. He wont win 149, but if he could get third or fourth with some bonus wins then that will help negate what PSU 149 will do. If OSU can win just one of 174, and 184 I think they will win the duel. Comes down to those 2 weights I believe.
Man I wish that dual were in Columbus this year. I bet it would get 20k in the Schott.
I think you and CC make great points. Penn state has a higher variance lineup that favors them in the dual, but we're better on average which favors us in the NCAA's. I want to win both, but if I had to pick I'd take the NCAA's.
There were just under 16k for the duel last year at the schott which turned out to be a blood bath, but the atmosphere was awesome. I think the Iowa duel is Jan 21st and with Iowa pulling the redshirt on LEE at 125 that match should be fun to watch. I was hoping Iowa would not pull his redshirt, could go a long way in deciding the NCAA champion this year. We need Tom to be a 1 seed at 125, if he is a 2 or 3 seed then he will have to go through LEE and the Rutgers kid to win the championship, and that is a tall order. If he gets the 1 seed then he will only have to go through 1 of them.
Yeah last year was insane. I think that really set the stage for some big matches in the Schott in future years. Hopefully a lot of people turn out for the Iowa match. Casual fans might not realize we lost to them last year, so there's a revenge factor to it. I'm sure Snyder will be all over the media soon pumping up the two Schott matches.
The replay turnover was bogus but a good gamble by the Maryland coach. The UMd heavyweight was definitely getting gased and the replay gave him several minutes to recover.
They totally screwed up the riding time after that too although it didn't matter. UMd had 1:17 in time after the first period and And then escaped after 5 seconds meaning he had 1:12 but after the replay they reset the riding time to 1:27. Like I said, it didn't matter in the end but it would've sucked if it did.
Snyder looked to be really good on his feet and was hitting great shots but every time (except the one they took away from him) he just wasn't quite strong enough to finish out and then got stretched out.
But, despite all the suggestions to the contrary, there was no Buckeye that had any fear of any turtle this evening.
Awesome stuff! I followed along on twitter!
SCPO, USN (ret)
Thanks Andy for the coverage - matches like this are pretty much over before they begin.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
Snyder had plenty of fight left in him, however, and appeared to earn a takedown of his own in a flurry of action early in the second period. Maryland coach Kerry McCoy quickly threw the brick, challenging the call and killing any momentum Snyder gained in narrowing the score.
Seems like this tactic is dirty pool. In Maryland's case, it looks like a blatant attempt to avoid a shutout. But I could see a video challenge being employed in close matches to give a breather to an overwhelmed opponent and breaking up the flow of the grapple.
Thanks, Andy, for educating an ignorant Buckeye fan on the inner game of NCAA wrestling.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
It may not have changed the ultimate outcome - Snyder the Younger was still facing a Top 10 opponent, of course - but this is the second time this season when the challenge brick has killed the momentum in a match and potentially cost the Buckeyes. Bo Jordan had No. 1 Zahid Valencia on the ropes late in their match at the Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational, and Zeke Jones threw the brick, giving his guy adequate time to recover and ultimate hold off Jordan's comeback.
Now it should be said, don't put yourself in a situation where the brick could cost you the match (in other words, don't get two takedowns behind to a ranked opponent), but yeah, it's definitely a tactic coaches use, and in this case the call wen there way. In the Jordan case, Jordan got the call, but the momentum was clearly gone.
And, BTW, great write up Andy (again). And it was great to see NaTo back in the lineup and looking so dominant. Next week will be a bigger test for him facing #3 Lizak, MINN.
Shoutout to Andy for the excellent wrestling coverage. 30+ comments following essentially a crap dual against Maryland has me really excited about the growing wrestling community on here.
Andy puts in good work to get the story out.
At the match against Chattanooga I realized how much effort the Wrestling team puts into being ambassadors and promoters of the sport. Most folks who have not competed on the mat don't understand or appreciate the skill and sacrifice it takes to do what these athletes do. The sport was sinking fast a few years ago and some heros saved it as an olympic event. Kyle Snyder, with his success and character, is building up the sport at a grass roots and international level.
Wrestlers make themselves very accessible to fans at duals, so much more than any other sport. Thank you Andy for bringing that access to us.