Alabama Validates College Football Playoff Selection, But Ohio State Left to Wonder What Could Have Been

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I have no doubt in my mind OSU would have beaten Clemson last night. Clemson is the weakest of all the teams. Their loss was forgiven to an awful Syracuse. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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TheShookster's picture

Gotta score points to win games. 

Not sure how the offense that struggled to score 17 points against USC would have scored much if at all against Clemson's defense.

It would have been a low scoring, painful death for us.

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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LB U's picture

Agreed.. We didn't have the offense this year. Clemson would've eatin Barret alive. Alabama played pissed off, and Saban is obviously the best coach in the country. That's about all there is to it.

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Buckabroad's picture

Not saying you are wrong. But in 2015 we clearly had the best team and also were not let in because we lacked a conference championship and two teams from the same conference were considered unthinkable ...

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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BrutusB's picture

The formula is, in order of importance:

1. Lose 0-1 games

2. Win a conference title

3. Have quality wins on your resume

Rules 2 and 3 weren't needed this year.  In 2015, we lost out on point #2.  In 2014, we got in through point #3.

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Furious George 27's picture

In 2014, didn’t we hit all the points? 1 loss, quality wins and conference title we’re all met. At the end of the day you can’t get housed becausey iowa.

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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BrutusB's picture

Don't think of them as points, think of them as eliminators.  If you have more than 1 loss, rules 2 and 3 don't apply.  If you have 1 loss AND a conference title and are up against a team with 1 loss AND a conference title, then (and only then) do your quality wins matter.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

But If your Bama none of the points matter !

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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Buck68's picture

your cheese from our whine...

but if you're who you are not...

points matter.  ;-{)}

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Your eliminator doesn't work very well, since - if Auburn had beaten UGA in the SECCG - they would have been in the playoff. But maybe you mean that your eliminators apply to non-SEC teams, but a separate set of eliminators (or criteria) apply to SEC teams?

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blackmagick20's picture

So then explain to me why UCF wasn't in the playoffs

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

@blackmagick, exactly. The first point should be “change name to alabama.” Everything else is inconsistent at best.

its funny how the anti eight team playoff folks use the narrative that it will ruin the regular season as a point against it. I think the regular season is already shot. If what BrutusB says is true, whats the point of scheduling anybody other than non power five?

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NutBuckz's picture

no, the formula is, be alabama and watch the rules morph to get you in

It's 2019 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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wyatt's picture

Iowa won't play that good for the next 50 100 years......but they did this year against the Buckeyes.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Brutus, the CFP committee lied for the past two years.  Rule #2 DOES NOT COUNT, either.  The B1G conference champ got stiffed the last two years.  I am not mad about Ohio State not being selected to be in the CFP.  I am upset that the committee lied for the past two years saying that Conference Champs matter, then not selecting one the past two years for a better record of a non-conference champ.

With that said, the only way a two-loss team gets in the playoffs is if there are not four one-loss teams from the Power 5 conferences, or a major independent.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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KENTACOHUT's picture

^^^^^Or your Bama

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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mockjocks's picture

This is pretty good, but the committee snapchat me this a few weeks ago:

  • 2014 - Strength of schedule matter
  • 2015 - Conference championships matter
  • 2016 - Eye test matters
  • 2017 - Well, just because

It was on snapchat, so it erased before I could send it to the world to expose them.

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Turfgrad's picture

Play 9 fucking conference games!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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Brandon26841's picture

Clearly the best team? Maybe from an NFL draft prospect standpoint. That team was losing to a 7-6 VT team at halftime, put up a whopping 363 yards against Hawaii, beat Northern Illinois by 7, barely beat Indiana by 7 and it took a 4th down goal-line stop to save the game, had a 1 score game with Minnesota with 2 minutes to go in the game, the MSU debacle we all remember, and the only ranked team they beat all season was a 3-loss Michigan team. That team was far from the juggernaut people seem to remember them as in hindsight. I wasn't upset in the least they didn't make it in. That team should have rolled to a 15-0 season and national title, but like this year's squad... offensive ineptitude did them in. 

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nm_buck's picture

Clearly the best team? That team should have rolled to a 15-0 season and national title, but like this year's squad... offensive ineptitude did them in. 

Great Points Brandon. The truth hurts. When Tressel's offenses of the mid-2000's look like juggernauts in comparison, you know we've had some problems.  

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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KENTACOHUT's picture

As I currently sit here on a plane full of GA fans screaming and barking ,”with the worst  school chant ever” I say to myself I’m over the fact they put two teams in frommsame conference , but I say this; if B1G had two teams in the SEC would call for an investigation and immediate reform in CFP! 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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Homey1970's picture

Saban has been the best recruiter in the nation.  I think we proved the fact that he’s not the best at coaching.  When you combine the ridiculous talent with adequate coaching, you win quite often.  UFM has a better record at all stop (big and small).  Saban?  Not so much.

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Homey1970's picture

Should have added that Saban could be a better coach if he had hired UFM when he was Toledo’s HC in 1990.  I’m sure UFM would have taught him a thing or two about offensive philosophies.

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BrutusB's picture

Uh...what?  Saban has his team playing in its third straight NCG and trying to win his sixth ring, but he's not the best coach because his record at Toledo 20 years ago wasn't as good as Meyer's at Bowling Green? That totally makes sense to you? 

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nm_buck's picture

In fairness though, Saban has a recruiting edge. The best players are coming from the south these days... GA... FLA... where the local rules allow them to play football year-round. Bama enjoys warmer weather, they're closer to home for recruits' families to travel to games... and Bama has a hell of a football pedigree, made all the better by Saban. Adds up to a sizable advantage in recruiting. Under those circumstances, pretty clear Meyer holds his own. Gotta appreciate that.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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SpiderBuckeyes's picture

Bama may enjoy warm weather, but they don't enjoy high humidity during regular seasons and practices.

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Saban has certainly built bama into a machine and whether hes the best coach or somebody else is could be debated for awhile. 

What cant be debated is the difference between his rise to the top and meyers. Urbz was a heck of a lot faster than Saban. 

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BrutusB's picture

Who cares about the speed of the rise or what they did before they got  to their current spots?  Coaches at blue blood programs are judged primarily on one thing - winning championships.  Saban is averaging one title every other year (and solidly in the mix in the years he doesn't win one). 

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Homey1970's picture

Apparently, you failed to read my first post in the thread.  We beat him in ‘14 with less talent.

I wasn’t even thinking about his record at UT (although, I think it was pretty good).  I was making a joke about not hiring UFM at UT.  Rumor was that UFM applied but was rejected by Saban.  Saban’s record at MSU, Miami and his inability to close the season many times shows that he isn’t a great coach.  He’s a hall of fame recruiter and a very good coach.

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BrutusB's picture

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.  But saying that Saban isn't a great coach is so hilariously wrong my head might explode.

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Cptnvideo's picture

Saban is a great recruiter and a good CEO. By CEO, I mean he knows how to delegate to his O & D coordinators.

My favorite team? Whoever is playing TTUN.

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Buckskin007's picture

Saban has more NC. That what you play for and the measurement of a coach. Sorry,  Saban> Meyers. 

That's right, that's right, we bad

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sword52's picture

Thing is nobody really knows what would happen. People think this or that but unless the teams played it is all guessing.

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Aristotle's picture

Urban let his love for JT and his addiction to the QB Wildcat Spread ruin the offense this year. This year against Clemson would have likely been little different than last year in all likelihood. Outgained by USC in yardage by 50%, thank goodness USC turned the ball over repeatedly or we might have lost. I'll credit some of that to the defense but still giving up over 400 yards gives me concern.

Hopefully UFM gives Kevin WIlson more input next year, our offense is becoming very unimaginative.

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Joebobb's picture

Is Bama one of the top 4 teams in the country, Yes they are

Did they deserve to be in the playoff - No. When you play a crappy schedule with a chickensh*t team the second to last game, and the highest ranked team you beat is LSU who is a generous #17 after losing to Troy, you do not belong there, no more than Ohio State or USC would have belonged.

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Northeast Ohio Guy's picture

Honestly, if Mercer played Illinois on a neutral field, who would win the game?  

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stuckupnorth's picture

Agreed,They would struggle mightily to score against any of those teams. At best they score against Oklahoma a little bit. However they already had a chance to play them and OK dominated that game in every way.The best shot would have been Clemson and I don't see OSU Scoring more than 10 on offense.By the way how dare a writer challenge the passing game. Don't you know there is a leader back there leading the offense.

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Brandon26841's picture

I love how people seem to forget that Ohio State lost soundly (maybe not in the boxscore, but on the field) to Oklahoma at home this season. I see people now saying they would have easily beat them in a rematch... why is that exactly? They already had their shot and the offense couldn't do shit against their mediocre as hell defense. Oklahoma also squandered points in that game with turnovers. It was obvious who the better team was that night. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Its blind homerism.Its Kool-Aid drinking trust Meyer.Oklahoma spanked them. I don't believe they punted until 3rd quarter. If it wasn't for unforced errors by Oklahoma that would have been way worse than it was.It was just another case of JT not even having 100 yards of offense at half time. You win many games like that.Oh thats right he big ten leader in TD/yards. How does that work out against non UNLV. Or putting up garbage time scores on elite teams.They would be lucky to beat OK once or twice if they played Ten times. Thats even pushing it.

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PapaBucks's picture

I remember when Auburn spanked Georgia too. How'd that SECCG work out for them? 

You have no idea how a rematch with OU would have played out. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

We can play coulda shoulda wouldva all day.If you look at how bad OSU has played these last Two years there are no reason to believe they would have done any better. If it was anyone but OSU this fan base would say they are overrated and favored. What makes you think that OSU would do better this time around.Oklahoma dominated them. They had there chance they blew it. It was not even close.Quite frankly it was embarrassing. Is the pass defense gonna magically start locking down recievers(usc had two guys for a 100) or are they gonna decide to stop the TE.Maybe JT after 3 years as a starter will be able to throw a decent pass. Hit a guy in stride or go deep? Maybe Meyer won’t make JT run up the middle more than a potential all American running back.It crazy to think that people actually believe OSU is more than what they are. Until changes are made they are a 10-2 team. Don’t buy the fools gold. USC was a nice win over a historically good team,but they ain’t sweet.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Don't you know there is a leader man's man back there leading the offense.

FIFY 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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stuckupnorth's picture

Mans man or not need to see some points.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Surprisingly similar games (Cotton Bowl and Sugar Bowl) with respect to scoring.  24-7 and 24-6 are damn near identical.  Both the Buckeyes and Bama relied on defense to win the game, and managed a defensive score.  Both offenses only put up 17 points.  Both D-lines dominated in the trenches.

FWIW - F/+ had the Final Four as UGA, Clemson, 'Bama, tOSU.  S&P+ had it tOSU, 'Bama, UGA, UW (Clemson and OU were #7 and #8 behind #5 PSU and #6 Wisconsin).

I would have like to have seen that game between tOSU and Clemson. I think it would've been close, and the Buckeyes would've had the better offense.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Timbucktoo's picture

The final scores were about the only similarity. Unlike Ohio State against USC, the final score of the Alabama-Clemson game is not indicative how thoroughly Alabama dominated both sides of the ball. Alabama's offense effectively moved the ball while stifling Clemson's offense to the tune of 188 total yards. Darnold had over 350 himself against or defense, but USC turned the ball over 4 times and struggled in the red zone. I don't think we were ready this year for the playoff.

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LWiegand91's picture

 Alabama's offense effectively moved the ball

Not sure that was the case, Ohio state had more yards in their win than Alabama did. While Ohio state did give up those yards passing, it also held them to 57 yards rushing. By design they made USC one dimensional. While our offense was nothing spectacular, I didn't see any evidence that Alabama's offense was supreme. Clemson held Alabama's offense in check, the turnovers and lack of offense from Clemson was the difference and Alabama did dominate that line.

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stpetebuck's picture

Agreed LW

first, a palate  cleanser:Michigan and Harbaugh suck so bad. Hahaha!!!!

I see bama’s qb situation eerily similar to osu. And 261 yards total offense was also not worthy of praise. ‘17 Osu on a normal day can hang with any of the 4 final teams. All 4 top teams had an embarrassing loss or struggled against a way weaker team(s). 

Yes, it still remains that Iowa was the reason bucks aren’t in. 

2017 Bama is not a juggernaut but right now have the best overall program imo

To me osu has a top 3 program. Where you place them is your call  

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Knite's picture

I have to agree with you. Our offense just wasn't able to move the ball on a regular basis. Running wouldn't work as well if the passing  game wasn't there and it really wasn't this year. Those 3 and 1s and 4 and 1s wow,  Everyone and I mean EVERYONE knew what play was going to be called, and yet that same stinking play was called over and over. I am no coach and haven't played collage or even back yard football in a while, but when a team can tell what play is going to happen on what down just wont cut it. But there have it, that is what happened and we all have seen the result....punt punt punt......Sure our defense played well against USC but they still put up all those yards on them. If USC would of had better luck in the red zone, I do not think we would of won that simply because out offense was so blah. So onward,  lets all hope this new season will light both sides up consistently, have a reliable passing game. Without it I do not know what will happen.

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PapaBucks's picture

Ohio State also had a lockdown corner sit out vs. USC and they picked on his replacement. I doubt Ward sits out a playoff game. 

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stpetebuck's picture

Gotta respectfully disagree tmbucktoo

Bama had low yardage without the excuse of having recovered multiple turnovers on a short field. Those type of turnovers reduce yardage stats. USC had twice as many turnovers as clemson. 

And so much Bama rushing came on similar qb read options and scrambles. And Hurts badly underthrew a wide open touchdown. 

Eerily similar conservative playcalling.  

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Timbucktoo's picture

Stpete/Liegand, you're right that we outgained Alabama in our respective games, and apologies for not checking the stats before posting my assertion to the contrary.

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nm_buck's picture

Usually agree with you Navy but not sure our offense was better. USC has a very average defense. In fact they gave up just under 400/yds per game, playing in the worst conference in college football. Clemson has one of the best defenses in the country. If we could only manage 69 yds/quarter against USC, can't help but think Clemson would have shut us down. Again.

You never know until you play the game obviously... but I'm glad we didn't play them this year. Yesterday's games proved to me that our offense is not on the level of a top 4 team. Our defense certainly is... but our offense was disappointing to say the least, and has been for several years.

Really looking forward to next year. Go Bucks.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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Ardyb's picture

SC has access to the best talent is So Cal. Considering this program has struggled to beat the Trojans in the past you'd think people would be thankful.

Go Bucks!

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MNBuck's picture

100%. Agreed. Our offense was not good enough. Not aggressive or creative enough. Simple. The eye test is very very apparent.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

I don't get how the offense " struggled " against USC

You mean the offense that didn't turn the ball over once, ate up chunks of clock, and scored early to maintain a lead?

I swear half the posters here are clueless when it comes to football.. no way USC comes back from a 24-7 deficit. we played for clock control and not to turn the ball over. our offense scored on the first 3 of 5 drives in that game. that's not struggling.

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bonebuck's picture

We had less than 300 yards of total offense. That my friend is struggling.

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stpetebuck's picture

Not with 4 turnovers by the opponent. 

Those turnovers create scoring opportunities with low yardage.  And they happened early in the game.  So as the favored team,(by only 7.5 pts) osu went conservative and squeezed the life out of the usc offense. 

No reason for JT the speed up the offense with first and second down passes that would stop the clock if incomplete. Boring for sure.  But not a struggle necessarily. 

Gotta agree that I was agrivated with the 3rd down execution on occasions. 

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BrutusB's picture

"No doubt" seems a little extreme.  When they played well this year, OSU looked like one of the best teams in the country.  When they played poorly they looked like they could lose to almost anybody.  It was a coin flip as to which version you were going to get on any given week (or in the case of the bowl game, any given half).

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cdub4's picture

OSU could have beaten Clemson. I am not sure how likely it is that they would have.

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BrutusB's picture

Also, it takes an impressive level of mental gymnastics to say a 3 point loss to Syracuse should have been disqualifying while a 31 point loss to Iowa is totally forgivable.

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CincyOSU's picture

I have no doubt in my mind OSU would have beaten Clemson last night. Clemson is the weakest of all the teams. Their loss was forgiven to an awful Syracuse. 

I actually thought Clemson was the best of the bunch going in(and that doesn't say a lot), but boy was I wrong. If only we didnt shit the bed against Iowa, we likely dominate them just like Bama did.

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stpetebuck's picture

Cincy, agreed!

jalen hurts is JT Barret with weaker stats. 

They were not exciting to watch. I was switching back and forth between the bama Clem game and a replay of cotton bowl. 

Similar games except bucks had shorter fields due to turnovers which resulted in low yardage. Bama had Less yards overall without the short fields. 

Sorry but 261 overall yardage doesn’t a juggernaut make. Bucks are no worse than Bama by the end of the season. 

Make no mistake , I see I nconsistency in the  osu offense.  But Bama had some weak ass games too. 

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BbBnD's picture

Your comparison assumes USC’s defense is as good as Clemson’s. It’s not even close. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

LOL not even remotely close. They have probably 3 first round picks on the dline alone. It is not a fair comparison. USC is not the USC of old. They are a good team with some great players. However they are not Pete Carrols team

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stpetebuck's picture

BbB

True, Usc has a historically weak defense but it’s a moot point because the Bucks scored on short fields 3 times early in the game. So the bucks had all the points they needed with low yardage requirements. Then urban switched to a risk averse offense and the defense squeezed the life out of Usc. Very Tressel like  

In the end osu scored exactly the same amount of points as Bama. But many are so sucked in by sec hype that they see the 261 Bama yards as higher quality yards than the Buckeyes’ 288. LoL. Just ridiculous 

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TigerSweat's picture

I commented a few times early in the season that Clemson wasn't as good as they were getting credit for. A generational talent at QB is the only reason they were able to compete the last few years. The ACC is wack

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Silver Sniper's picture

I have commented the same and it appears to have been proven correct after their spanking at the hands of Bama.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Our offense would not score on Clemson.  

Or Alabama.  Or Georgia.

Our offense got stuffed by Oklahome and USC, both of whose defenses were vastly inferior to Clemson, Bama, and Georgia.  

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stpetebuck's picture

Nope. That was last year with 42 freshmen. You have somehow drank the clemson kool aid. No not guaranteeing the same outcome but Bama beat Clemson with an almost identical offense and a lower rated qb who under threw a wide open receiver. Lots of read option and qb scrambles. Eerily similar offenses and outcomes. This was not the 2016 clemson by a long shot.  They statistically got worse and osu ended up in the top ten in total offense and rush defense and total defense.  In short clemson got worse and osu got better.  The ou game was 12 games ago. 

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beavis's picture

then we shouldn't have lost to iowa by 31 - that is unforgivable. and don't tell me the committee doesn't remember that 31-0 embarrassment against Clemson last year - and how lost barrett looked in that game.

beavis

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'll say, just in my own opinion, I'm as big a Buckeye homer as there is, but even I think we struggle mightily against any of those 3 teams.

I think Bama's physical defense makes our offense slower than it is on it's own, OU's passing game would have given our secondary fits (again)... I think the defense could do pretty well against Georgia's offense, but it's another case where the UGA defense would humble our offense pretty much overall. I'd give us a solid shot against Clemson based off their new personnel, but overall I think any of those teams would rightfully so be favored against Ohio State.

Anything is possible, and it's all just conjecture now.  I think the Buckeyes put up a solid fight against any of those teams, but would not be favored.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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2morrow's picture

Agree - until we get an offense with a pulse vs. teams with a pulse, we have hit our ceiling on offense.

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CC's picture

It's funny but our offense was one of the most prolific in college football but for whatever reason they leave us with this feeling of an inability to score points.  I totally agree, I don't have faith that we can score big on anyone in the top 10.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I think its because there is such a gap in talent level against mid/good teams. When OSU has to play someone with talented players even if they are not on par with OSU(see USC) across the board they struggle. It will never be admitted and people will always down vote  and argue. But JT is just not elite or even that good. Yes I know records......Michigan.........However against good and elite teams since he has been here he has not been good save one or two games over three years.When you put up huge numbers against UNLV,Army,and Cupcake St. it inflates numbers as a whole. Yes I know everyone else also inflates numbers against these same teams. However other teams don't lay eggs all the time in big games.The offense is terrible in these situations. The national media agrees and that is one of the major reasons they didn't play in playoffs. No one in there right mind thinks OSU could beat any of those four. I would bet that Vegas would agree.No one has faith that the offense will show up in big games. They barely show up in mid tier games.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

True words. On to a new chapter. Hopefully we learn not to lean on the running QB crutch. If against whomever we have 320 yards passing and 225 rushing with the QB rushing twice for 19 yards sounds like a major winning improvement. Not going to hold my breath.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Bama's offense only scored 17 against Clemson, and they were all off short fields. The Tide's longest drive last night was 47 yards, and it ended in a field goal.  They also had a 41-yard drive that resulted in a punt.  Total yards for 'Bama were 261.  That ain't exactly stellar.

47 yards - FG
46 yards - TD
27 yards - TD
Pick Six
 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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stuckupnorth's picture

Clemson is nasty. Alabama doesn’t really ever put up big numbers. They run the crap out of the ball. How many points did OSU score against USC

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stpetebuck's picture

Last year clemson was nasty. This year they lost to a basketball school 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Clemson defense was nasty this year. Alabama didn't do a whole lot offensively against them.As stated they have a D line that is second to none.Including OSU. Yes they lost to syracuse.It was an upset. Those games happen.There is also a reason the committee put them at 1 overall with a young QB with a bunch of new starters on offense over a leadership driven 5th year QB led offense. OSU probably would not have scored anything offensively against Bama. We will never know, howerver when they struggle to score against Oklahoma,Indiana,Michigan,Wisconsin,Clemson they odds are in favor for Bama.There is a clear pattern of ineffective offense.

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stpetebuck's picture

No homerism here(yes I’m a fan)

Look at total offensive stats and osu is mikes ahead of this year’s Watson-less team. So there is s pattern of effective offense with two games that were ineffective.  

Osu also ranks ahead of clemson in rush defense which would be better when facing Bama.  And that’s with a slightly better but similar sos.  Note that weaker big ten teams beat ACC teams in bowl games.  Osu has a nastier d line than any school because of depth and rotation  imo  

The body of work is betrayed by that damn Iowa game but the victories over ranked teams, and the rival, and the conference championship,  are real  

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stpetebuck's picture

Hey st up north 

No homerism here(yes I’m a fan)

Look at total offensive stats and osu is mikes ahead of this year’s Watson-less team. So there is s pattern of effective offense with two games that were ineffective.  

Osu also ranks ahead of clemson in rush defense which would be better when facing Bama.  And that’s with a slightly better but similar sos.  Note that weaker big ten teams beat ACC teams in bowl games.  Osu has a nastier d line than any school because of depth and rotation  imo  

The body of work is betrayed by that damn Iowa game but the victories over ranked teams, and the rival, and the conference championship,  are real  

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stpetebuck's picture

The offense was good enough to beat all but two teams including #2, #5, #8, and whatever MSU was when they played. 

The offense exploded on two of those teams with very high ranked defenses  

2014 has really changed our expectations 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Was it the offense????Or the defense?PSU was game of his life. I wil give credit to that.Oklahoma crap,Michigan crap,Clemson crap,USC borderline crap nothing special against a very average team,Wisconsin same as USC.2014  did change expectations. Its called logical.The reality is most knows the offense has been the achilles heel for three years. 2015 should have won it all. However the offense laid an egg. We can talk till we are blue in the face but its no secret the national media called out the offense, recruits called out the offense, fans called out the offense, past players called out the offense. Only a select few will fail to accept it. The offenseMeyer/JT cost the team big.

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LCT's picture

The Buckeyes would have been stomped by any of the 4 teams in the CFP.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I disagree , we would have beat GA , no way Bucks give up all those quick hitter run plays, secondly clemson is a toss up I think we have a mental block with them , but if we make them one dimensional they way Alabama did yesterday we win that game . 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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TheShookster's picture

Here's my unpopular #TAKE I posted elsewhere but that thread/article was old:

Yes, if OSU did not shoot themselves in the foot against Iowa they would be in...however after watching last night's games I am damn glad we did not make it to the playoff. We would have been the 4 seed and gotten shut out by Clemson again. We probably would have gotten the B1G banned from the playoff for life.

After watching last nights games Urban and company better take a good look in the mirror because we are clearly behind Georgia and Clemson and probably Alabama. We need to stop the UrbanBall (TresselBall from Shotgun Formation) shit and we need to try and bury every opponent we play. Yes I agree the rest of the SEC is garbage but those two teams are unquestionably elite. 

We will see next year if Ohio State is able to establish a passing game for the first time since 2014. I think we are all praying that the record setting tenth year senior QB JT Barrett was indeed the reason the offense was held back...And on the bright side, while Ohio State figures out how to match the elites, our rivals are trying to figure out why they pay a 10 year old millions to coach them to 5 losses....it's not all bad! 

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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LCT's picture

I agree 100%. The good news is that Urban will be forced to make substantive changes now that his security blanket has moved on. Take this season for what it's worth; a really good one, but that Ohio State would have competed at a high level in the playoff is a fiction.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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BrutusB's picture

The good news is that Urban will be forced to make substantive changes now

...there's the annual offseason prediction. 

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LCT's picture

Fair/good point

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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LB U's picture

I think the only change that's needed is at QB.

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TomD's picture

That's what I thought after last year's 31-0 loss to Clemson. Although we saw flashes of change from Wilson/Day this year, too often the Buckeyes reverted to the old ways, which work against inferior defenses but generally don't work against good defenses.

I hope Coach Wilson is given much more in-game OC control, but it's been three years from 2014, and no significant, real change has actually been made. At least if Martell wins the QB comp, who who be closest to the ideal Urban Meyer system QB, he can sling the ball. But the over reliance on the QB run, and too simplistic an offense, may very well still persist. I'm cautiously optimistic that Coach Meyer will recognize that a new approach to the offense, and giving Coach Wilson more control, will most likely improve the offense.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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PapaBucks's picture

JT Barrett wasn't Meyer's security blanket - QBR is (see Tebow, T. and Miller, B.).

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Cooper's picture

Yeah, if watching the Playoff taught me anything, it’s that coaching is holding Ohio State back. Collectively, the Bucks have the second most talented team every single season. The same cannot be said about the offensive coaching, however. With J.T. gone, it’s time for this coaching staff to choose an identity that involves a passing game or they will continue to watch the rest of the blue bloods run right past them.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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TheShookster's picture

I agree. Urban's loyalty to JT was this team's undoing. 

I was a massive JT apologist until he went down against Michigan and Haskins stepped up. Oh hey look, somehow the receivers are open now, weird. 

What Tim Beck did with the 2015 offense was a crime against humanity, but 2016 and 2017 was JT's inability to throw downfield and Urban's refusal to change things up. 2016 also features some pretty bad receiver play, but I truly feel Zone 6 made some serious improvements this year.

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LCT's picture

Again, 100%

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Cooper's picture

Michael Thomas is the first Saints receiver to have over 100 receptions in a season. Zeke is a top RB. I can’t get started on 2015 without my PTSD taking into effect. 

I’ve said in the past confessionals that Ohio State could never win a national title with J.T., so I’m not going to rag on him anymore. The team did exactly what they were going to do with him at quarterback. Next year will be the first litmus test for this coaching staff to prove they have any sort of innovative ideology. It might be unfair to J.T., but I think the onus is on the coaching staff next year more so than whoever starts at QB.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree.  Painful as it is to say it, but I saw more Offensive creativity yesterday, in one day, than I have seen collectively at Ohio St since 2014.   It’s also time to remove the pitchfork from Tim Beck’s chest because the common theme in this Offense’s stubbornness and staleness is not him, not Tom Herman (obviously), not Ed Warriner.  It’s Urban Meyer.  

This fan base won’t have J.T. Barrett to vilify next year.  That makes any potential finger pointing very simple and clear.  

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LCT's picture

This fan base won’t have J.T. Barrett to vilify next year.  That makes any potential finger pointing very simple and clear.

You're right, but Urban Meyer's uncriticize-able for great swaths of the fan base.  That much was clear when Beck & Ed W were run out of town on a rail while DVs fell like rain on anyone who reminded folks Where The Buck Stops (hat tip: Give 'em Hell Harry). 

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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PapaBucks's picture

Alabama is trotting out the exact same offense as Ohio State with Jalen Hurts. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Yep. Tom Herman sold Saban the OSU offense after the '14 season. It's on record

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BrutusB's picture

I mean, all of our games are on film.  You could piece together the OSU offensive playbook without Herman's help.

Actually knowing which plays to call and which adjustments to make is another matter.

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RBurgundy4's picture

That post belongs in the 11W Hall of Great Posts, Shookster. That's some truthfully truthy truth.

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TheShookster's picture

Thank you sir

I've had many bad takes (mostly basketball ones), so I was due for a good one haha

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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Buckskin007's picture

I agree with most that you said, but will disagree that Georgia is elite. They have a very week defense and the offense is good not great (sands the RB's), but stop their run and they are easily beaten.  

That's right, that's right, we bad

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

Facts. I don't think we're that far off though. I think it's simple. For us to contend, we just need Urban to let the offensive coaches use their own playbooks and call those plays to create TD-scoring sustained drives. Spreading the field, getting ahead of the chains, unpredictable play calling, etc. is missing against good teams. Apologies to JT, I am a JT fan, but he's not the QB for what I'm talking about. Especially now that he has moved on, I think we have the players and the talent to execute them. I think it's that simple.

Given our recruiting, our current roster, and our coaching staff (minus LBs, sorry) there really is no reason we should not be in the mix. There are components of the overall product that are playoff-deserving. Other defenses were certainly impressive this season, but consider we held OU (hard to not say the best offense in the country) to its 2nd lowest total of the season. I'll agree the final score did not reflect the beating, but remember it was tied 3-3 at half. That's significantly better than the UGa defense, for example.

We don't necessarily need an all-time elite offense to be in the mix, either. Bama and Clemson's offense are in no way elite; they're serviceable though. Just as UGa and OU's defenses are. The thing we do need is an offense that can score on a good defense. We're just not even close right now in that regard. We have rarely seen that since 2014. We've heard, "We've got to get the damn thing fixed, and we will." more often than I've been impressed by our offense against a good team. Q4 against PSU this year was an extreme outlier, was it not?

  • If we could have sustained drives in the fall to keep Baker off the field we could have led at half and even won that game.
  • If we could have sustained drives in a hypothetical game against UGa and limited the explosive plays by the RBs we could have played them close
  • If we could have sustained drives in a hypothetical game against Bama we could have played them close or beaten them given Hurts as QB
  • If we could have sustained drives in a hypothetical game against Clemson we could have beaten them
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Doug James's picture

If all the current OSU players, that realistically can go early to NFL,  do go then I think on paper OSU has a really good team.   Plus, the punter and field goal kicker are back.   

However, on paper I'm not sure if next years team is better than this years.  The biggest question is if next years QB gives us better chance to win than Barrett did.    Only time will tell.

DJ

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OH-IO's picture

Buckeyes did not belong. See Iowa and Offensive production vs. USC. Better to have won the Cotton/B1G  and wonder than been exposed (again) as a playoff fraud. Hate to say it, but it's true. 

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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LB U's picture

I am still of the belief that not making the playoff was the best thing that could have happend to us. There's no way we were beating Clemson with our offense and Barret.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Getting humbled again last night would not have been fun. The number one team in the nation didn't show up which is surprising.  

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

I think it was a combo of Clemson's flaws being disguised throughout the year and a poor showing. Clemson played an equivalent first half to us vs. PSU with all the mistakes. Still, I think if William Swinney dialed up a perfect game, I think it could have come down to the wire. Clemson 2018 < Clemson 2017. 

Btw, that Bama offense was not impressive by any means. 

But... you're right, those two defenses were damn solid and I don't know which OSU offense would show in a semifinal

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CC's picture

Agreed, but the #4 team is the reason the #1 team didn't show up.

While I think our defense is as good as anyone, our O simply would not have been able to score.

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Tyvis&#039;sGrandpa's picture

Good conclusion, I have to believe "not enough offensive power" is the general consensus among 11W followers

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Go1Bucks's picture

Just because 'Bama won doesn't mean they deserved to be there. OSU would have beaten Clemson and would be playing for the 'Ship.

CFP made sure of keeping SEC happy by giving them a 50% chance of winning it all, now its 100%. Here's to Georgia beating 'Bama ass.

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TheShookster's picture

"OSU would have beaten Clemson"

We may have won the coin toss, but the winning would have stopped there. Like I said above, there's no way we can beat Clemson running Shotgun TresselBall. 

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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Tyvis&#039;sGrandpa's picture

+1 but I still believe the talent alone on this roster could stack up with any roster in the nation, just depends on execution and coaching willing to roll the dice

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TheShookster's picture

I absolutely agree

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SEQUOIA473's picture

A team doesn't lose to Syracuse, period. Bucks were completely capable of beating the 2017 Clemson Tigers. 

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Nutinpa's picture

A team doesn’t lost to Iowa by 31 points either.   Somewhere a legion of Clemson fans are laughing so hard they can’t catch their breath — even after losing last night. 

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PapaBucks's picture

Why not, it worked for Alabama. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

With all due respect. There is no way in all creation that OSU beats Alabama. OSU has a hard time scoring on just about everyone. Not just elite teams. They struggled against Indiana,Wisconsin,USC,Oklahoma,Michigan to get anything that even remotely resembles an offense.Alabama would have held this group to less than 100 total yards.Yes Alabama deserves to be there. They just dominated the #1 team they have one loss. They have not constintantly looked horrid for Two years. The media has not been asking if they need to make a QB change. The recruits have not been calling them out. The fans have not been questioning them(some of them).The alumni haven't been calling for change. The former players haven't been calling for change.They didn't lose to an unranked decent team by 30+,They didn't get embarrassed at home by a playoff team.Why didn't they deserve to get in?Is it because it is Alabama?There are a lot of haters. Alabama does get the benefit of the doubt most times. More than they should. I feel that there is a some biased towards them. I also think that they are allowed to lose a game every year and still get in.That said they show up every time. You are not gonna blow Bama out. It aint gonna happen. When is the last time someone watched Bama play and say its over for them at halftime. I can think of three times in the last year or so I thought that about OSU.We can hate all we want. Mama has earned their reputation. They get benefit of the doubt because they don't crap the bed. Its ok to lose sometimes but they don't lose by 30 once a year. OSU got the benefit of the doubt last year because of the reputation they earned of winning. However they crapped the bed then continued it this year. Clemson also has earned the benefit of the doubt. they have lost their fair share of games. They even have had some spankings, but they show up. In the last couple years they have beat Bama,Georgia,FSU,OSU,Auburn. They have earned respect. Until OSU earns respect back they won't get it. It has nothing to do with playoffs wanting the SEC. It is a business. OSU sells huge ticketsprobably mor ethan any school. As does Notre Dame. Look at ratings in games in which OSU plays in. They set records. the alumni travel. The committee $$$ wise love OSU.There is no conspiracy for SEC.Is there any doubt Georgia and Alabama are the best Two teams? Oklahoma is up there as well.

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Go1Bucks's picture

No matter how many times you say it, does not make it true... Bama is easily beatable and we woukd have had as good, if not better shot than most teams with our D.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Its funny. Throw logical thinking out the window. Just gotta believe right. I also think Western Michigan was the best team in the nation and would have won the title. In fact i would favor them over the NE Patriots by 7.No matter how many times you say Bama is easily beatable does not make it true.You do realize that same defense you are hyping up lost Two games correct?Gave up 350 yards with Two different receivers going for a 100 against a decent USC team. Have you watched USC at all this year?They are not all world. ND destroyed them.That same "D" gave up 410 yards to Lagow and S Cobbs 150.You do realize that same "D" gave up 385 yards to B mayfield with 3 different receivers going over 60 yards. You do realize that same "D" gave up 225 yards /5td with Wadley going for 118 and Butler for 75 and the TEs went berserk.Yeah you are right i would bank on that defense too.The committee wasn't ready to make that mistake neither would vegas.

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Buctor's picture

I too am a Buckeye homer.  No apologies for that.

I also admit that ranking these teams is incredibly difficult.  But it certainly looks like Clemson has been over rated all year.  Caveat, maybe last night was Clemson's Iowa.

But I do have guidance for ranking teams.  Begin with Ickigan, ND, & Clemson in last place and tOSU in first place.  Work it out from there.

It would serve everyone if there were no rankings until after week six.  For the usual reason, that will never happen.

  Fttdk, money.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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CC's picture

Last night was not Clemson's Iowa.  You can't use that card when the other team was supposed to win.  The Iowa mystery begins with the fact that OSU should beat them 9 out of 10 times and should never get blown out.  You cannot say the same about Alabama.

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Hovenaut's picture

The "snub" is beyond me.

Again, I find value in winning the B1G, as well as finally getting a win over USC.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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stuckupnorth's picture

I agree with winning the big ten and beating USC. That was the top this team could do. They were what they were. Beating USC was cool. i wish it was named the Rose Bowl,but hey I will take it. Hopefully it launches the team off for next year.

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TMac's picture

IF Only, Alabama had beaten Auburn and set up an elimination SEC title game with Georgia, and the Buckeyes had shown up in Iowa City. (But our offensive performance in the Cotton Bowl wouldn't have been good enough to advance.)

 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Freaks number 75's picture

Alabama isn't the best team, talent wise, it's the best coached team in America. Ohio State and Clemson are tied for second. Imho

"and there he is... The Big Kat"

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BrutusB's picture

How is Bama not the best team talent-wise?  Their roster is made up of 4-5 straight years of #1 ranked recruiting classes.

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stuckupnorth's picture

It is people being haters. There is absolutely no doubt Alabama is one of the most talented teams in nation. Like you said they have won the recruiting crown every year. They number one running back in the nation is third string there.They pull in 4-5* religiously. To say they are not talented is foolish. Look at the NFL draft every year and tell me they aren't talented. OSU can give them a run for their money on talent. They can mach up talent wise. The coaching is another story.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I contend that OSU's defense could have done to Clemson what Alabama's defense did to Clemson. This would have set them up with short fields and thus made it easier on the OSU offense.

Clemson's offense is putrid. And their defense back 7 not nearly as strong as last year. OSU would have been fine vs them. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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CC's picture

We scored 24 against USC, what makes you think we would score even 24 against Bama or Clemson who both have better defenses.

I agree our D was great and would be a bad matchup, but at best we win a 14-10 type game against either but more likely we get down by 2 TD's and have no shot of coming back.

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buckeyedude's picture

I wish we could have been in the CFP, but I don't think our awesome defense could overcome the offensive inconsistencies vs. the top teams.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

People might not agree with me on this and that’s okay, but I think that we would beat all 3 teams.

Oklahama couldn’t stop the run last night if their lives depended on it. We would have a field day, even if Barrett had 15 carries, which I don’t think he would after Dobbins and Weber repeatedly slashed the defense with ease. Also back in September, Oklahoma only scored 31 on us. It sounds like a lot but it’s actually among the least they’ve scored all year. Factor in our defense is much better than it was,  and this is a Buckeye win.

Georgia and Alabama are very similar. Their M.O. is running the ball. Their passing game is alright, but it can’t carry the offense by itself. They’re much like Wisconsin and Michigan St. in this manner. We we would play it the same way with the same outcome. Loading up to stop the run and letting our NFL caliber secondary man up and shut down the receivers. The offense isn’t gonna light the world on fire, but they will score and Bama and Georgia won’t.

Last night, Clemson looked like a dumpster fire. The ACC as a whole hasn’t been impressive, suggesting Clemson isn’t as strong as previously believed. Bama ran many quick WR screens to slow down and neutralize the best part of Clemson’s team, their DL. We also happen to run a lot of those screens, and have just as capable playmakers on the outside (when they already have the ball in their hands). The Clemson offense looked like trash, and I genuinely believe that our defense is better than Bama’s. They only reason they’re “more consistent” as Dan stated is because they’ve played exactly one good team. In the last 4 or 5 games, we’ve consensusly played better teams than Bama and our defense has played just as well. So if they can shut down Clemson, so can we.

We can beat all 4 teams, and I firmly believe that. If we wanted in the playoff, we shouldn’t have lost by 31 to Iowa, but there’s no doubt in my mind we’re one of the four best teams in the country.

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CC's picture

Honestly I need some of whatever you are smoking.  Our offense couldn't score against any of those teams.

Oklahama couldn’t stop the run last night if their lives depended on it. We would have a field day, even if Barrett had 15 carries, 

You do realize we played them at home and that's not how it worked out right?

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I believe we're a better team than we were in September. Actually, much much better.

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poop's picture

And Oklahoma just kind of leveled off in September? No, they are also a much better team than they were when we played them.

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BrutusB's picture

We played 2 of the playoff teams in the past calendar year.  We lost embarrassingly both times.

Yes, if things had broken right we CAN beat anyone, that much is true.  But it's also possible that each of the four playoff teams would have smoked us.  In either case, we'll never know.

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Nutinpa's picture

No.   No.  No.  put the S&G glasses back in the drawer. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Basically Clemson defense was the same as last years. Except a year older. They scored 31-0. They had a chance at home against OK. They got spnaked at home. If Oklahoma didn't shoot themselves in the foot in the first half they could have beat OSU by 40.OSU offense had 277 total yards against USC. They had 350 total against OK.When they played Clemson last year with basically the same but more expieranced defense they 215 total yards.Oklahoma had 490 yards/USC had 413 yards/ against them.Fact of the matter is that the offense does not give them a chance to win big games.What is it that would give OSU a chance to win. They have not progressed offensively. They are the same team as last year on offense. The same as the one that got blanked by Clemson. Look at total yards against decent teams. It is non existent.No one in Vegas who have a lot of money on it would favor OSU

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stpetebuck's picture

Buckeye Ben 

you go man. We ended up in the top ten in total offense and defense and beat 3 top ten teams.  There’s no one who can prove you’re wrong.  And there’s some stats to back you up.  

Im not gonna day we deserved to be ahead of any of  the top 4 teams. But only Georgia looked like the complete team. But neither Bama or clemson impressed me offensively in the least. 

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Go1Bucks's picture

Absolutely.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

It is time for OSU to put it all together. Defense and offense,. Coaching and development. Too much talent to run a 1950's offense. Meyer needs to let Kevin Wilson develop a passing offense around Haskins. I believe the receivers will benefit from a guy who can throw and makes quick reads and throws guys open. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Buckabroad's picture

This comment is spot on for so many reasons (full realization of playmakers' potential, creating a smoothly running and deadly offense, better development of all offensive players, generating more recruiting appeal, etc.).

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Alabama rode a superior defense last night from what I have read. Their offense had 266 total yards. Their defense set them up for a short TD drive and scored once. The won 24-6. Sounds very familiar.

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Chieftain7759's picture

I'm not arguing the top 4, but what if there was 8. Would OSU compete, yes. Would USC compete, no, they would of got hammered by every team. Would PSU compete, only for a half. Would Auburn Compete, they did beat Georgia and Alabama, but there flame burnt out after those 2 games. Could Wisconsin compete, for 3 quarters they looked great against Miami, but then again, Miami like Auburn they lost their mojo. Like PSU, Wisconsin would compete for a half against those 4 teams. UCF would have been my sentimental top 8 team that would have made it interesting for the other 7 teams. So in all I think the committee got it right, but again this year would of loved an 8 team playoff. The only argument with 8 is UCF would have been left out, that would have been one of a few arguments I'm sure. Again, just my opinion.

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CC's picture

Would PSU compete, only for a half.

Did you watch PSU play this year?  I seem to recall them going late into the 4th against OSU.

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Nutinpa's picture

You seem pretty dismissive of a Penn State team that we beat by a point after they bitch slapped us for 3 quarters.  Color me not so sure that we beat them on a neutral field.  

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SEQUOIA473's picture

The SEC has a business formula that works and they're not changing for anyone. Why should they?Why study for quizzes when you know for a fact you'll get a chance to ace the test to pass the class? 

B1G, PAC, Big 12 need to be smarter with scheduling. Making it harder on themselves scheduling wise isn't going to neutralize the built in advantages that the SEC possesses, aren't going to lose and will never relinquish because they're not being forced to. In Bama's case their lazy ways still got them a place at the table. The committee? They're a fraud who has set themselves up to not be held accountable to the game. Claiming that their job is to select the best teams is subjective when there are no strict and set rules. Everyone knows Bama is capable and has potential. They've had the best players because of the best recruiting. On paper though they had no where near the resume and were still allowed in because of who their program is. The 2015 OSU Buckeye Football Team was screwed over BIGTIME. 

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BuckeyeBoiler's picture

This was my entire issue with the committee choosing Alabama.  They may well be the best team in the country, but the committee rewarded playing in an an average conference with 8 game schedule and no true road games against elite opponents.  Sets up for exactly what you described: schedule cream puffs and make the CFP.  Bad for college football in the long run.

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CincyBuck's picture

B1G, PAC, Big 12 need to be smarter with scheduling. Making it harder on themselves scheduling wise isn't going to neutralize the built in advantages that the SEC possesses, aren't going to lose and will never relinquish because they're not being forced to.

Agreed.  At least, assuming the ultimate goal is to make the Playoffs -- i.e., scheduling interesting early season matchups isn't a goal in and of itself.

The perception of SEC superiority is here to stay -- at least for the time being -- and there's nothing that will change that.  SEC teams are simply seen as superior to their comparable counterparts in other conferences.  Facts don't change this perception.  And I don't blame the SEC for doing everything they can to perpetuate this status quo.  Heck, they'd be fools not to.

For the other conferences, I think the best bet is to schedule the worst OOC matchups that you can.  Regardless of how difficult your schedule is, it will not be compared favorably to an SEC school's (whether that be by simply lip service, or by inventing yet another metric that measures strength of [insert BS jargon]).  The fact that ESPN seemed to be pimping 'Bama's strength of schedule (LOL) is the most recent example.  However, I still think the Committee would have a tough time putting in a team with the same (or superior record) and a conference championship.  Were that to happen, that'd be the end of the Playoff system as we know it. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Alabama's offense looked very pedestrian last night. They rode their defense, much like OSU did. Clemson's offense was terrible. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BrutusB's picture

Alabama had a lead the entire game.  If you're winning, and the other team's offense isn't being a threat, there's no need to run some crazy hurry up offense and chuck it all over the field 50+ times.  Just keep running the ball and doing safe passes and take the win.

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PapaBucks's picture

Yet people are bitching when Ohio State did the exact same thing against USC. 

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FunZone's picture

Ohio State and USC had their chances. UCF didn't get one. I'll start feeling sorry for the Bucks when they don't lose games by 31 points

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Buckabroad's picture

You mean like in 2015?

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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CC's picture

Yes that was bullshit.

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UrbanCulture's picture

I don't see the argument for 2015 here. Who would we jump? Every team in the top 4 was a 0-1 loss conference champion

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Nutinpa's picture

I will never feel sorry for the 2015 team.  They mailed in the season more worried about stats, touches and the draft.  Not to mention a coaching staff that did not know what to do with or motivate the supreme talent it had. 

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Davep160's picture

Agreed.   

The lord of brevity.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Fuck Michigan.......

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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Davep160's picture

They had one job...

The lord of brevity.

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gbuck51's picture

Figure out how to beat iowa 1st

gbuck51
 

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Schizo's picture

Why is he wearing a Cubs hat???

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Davep160's picture

I probably will not be watching the NC game...mostly because my season ended Friday.   

And heck, if enough people skip the SEC championship game part II, then ESPiN will lose out on some major money.  I am PERFECTLY ok with that.

The lord of brevity.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Well, the good news is I'll have some extra time on my hands. I won't spend one second watching SEC championship game part 2. (Disclaimer: I didn't watch part 1 and can gladly say I haven't watched an SEC team play all year) I expect the viewership of this game to be very regional.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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obsessed_buckeye's picture

Typed up a long winded post about focusing on the future and not dreaming about what might have been & then deleted it to write this drivel.

The King is dead, long live the King. I'm over it. September 1 & the Oregon State Beavers can't get here soon enough. Roll on 2018 Buckeye Football!

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Taking my scarlet and gray colored glasses off for a second I'm not sure we coulda played with any of the 4 teams in the CFP this yr. Our offensive play calling and execution were abysmal for much of the year - and that carrierd though after having 6 weeks off. Let's be happy with beating USC and winning the cotton bowl -cause we didn't have "it" this year.

I think next yr is gonna be something special. Especially if urban let's the OC and company do their magic!

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TheShookster's picture

It seems like all of us are kind of on the same page here...

We have more than enough talent, but if we don't fix our offensive philosophy we're going to start losing more games and recruits to the elite programs who already appear to be about a half step ahead of us right now. That's all I'm saying, and I could absolutely be wrong about this and I think everyone's opinions so far have valid points.

The good news for us is we have the best coaching staff we could ask for (although I'd love to have Fickell back) and I do have faith that they will figure this out.

He ain't even stretch doe!!

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FROMTHE18's picture

"What could have been": The Story of Ohio State Football...how many potential titles have been choked away by OSU teams over the years? Id say its between 5-10. 1995, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2015 teams blew it in the season, 2006 and 2007 teams blew it in the title games. OSU is on par with Oklahoma as notorious chokers when it comes to the big games. 

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LB U's picture

That's pretty harsh considering Gerogia and Clemson combine for a whopping 3 national titles in their entire existence. Nick Saban is simply a cut above at the moment. It's hard to expect that level of consistency when it's never been done before.

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BucksHave7's picture

Committee needs to change the rules then for choosing between 2 comparable teams, which is as follows: 

1) Conf Championships: tOSU

2) SoS: tOSU

3) H2H: n/a

4) Common opponents: n/a

If the committee wants to add a 5th, 'best deemed team in eyes of committee', do it, but dont try and tell me committee followed the written rules in picking Bama.  

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Nutinpa's picture

We  say “what if” all we want.  But imho the team that was screwed out of the playoff was not OSU.   It was UCF.   

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JoeCleveland's picture

Both UCF and OSU were screwed out of the playoffs......     It should be an 8 team playoff.....99% of the viewers of college football want it.....

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BucksHave7's picture

Buckeyes have #3 SoS, Alabama #6 and UCF #54. 

Using the committee's written criteria, how?

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

We all know they don't actually have criteria... except for fewest wins, which btw UCF actually comes out on top of.

Given transitive property is a myth but hear me out.... UCF beat a team that beat Bama and Georgia. They literally beat a team that beat both teams in the national championship game in the same month, just 90 miles from Auburn's campus. Auburn also nearly beat the ACC champ, who was in the playoff. UGa beat OU, the Big12 champ. OU beat the B1G champ, who beat the Pac12 champ. This might sound silly, but given that mental exercise, only them and UGa are within 1 or 2 degrees of separation from saying they essentially are on par with or better than all the conference champions.

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NOBLUE's picture

i still don't understand why Meyer hired Wilson and is not letting him run the offensive offense 

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JoeCleveland's picture

We didn't have a QB that could throw the football down the field..... Next year we will

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The Rill Dill's picture

To keep someone else from getting him.

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NOBLUE's picture

No and i'm not lying and now have even less interest in watching an SEC championship game called the national championship

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Gobucks2112's picture

Somewhat of a hot take here, OSU beats Clemson if we play them, our defense is just too good up front, but the even hotter take is that I think we beat Georgia too if we play them and let me explain quickly why. Georgia is a run heavy offense, as clearly shown last night. We held the Heisman front runner RB to 47 yards on 21 carries. So I think we could have shut down their running game or at least enough to keep them from doing what they did to OU last night. The second point as to why I think OSU could have is we completely shut down a good USC offense and made Darnold look silly. I do not think Fromm is better than Darnold, he may be equal or slightly behind, but not better. The only team I would have worried about for OSU to play is Oklahoma again, only because I think we over think ourselves against them again. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

So tired of hearing that the Alabama win "validated" the CFP committee selection of Alabama. It did not. Alabama, with their weak resume and strength of schedule, did not deserve a spot in the CFP. You could pick a hand full of teams outside of the top four and they could win the CFP title. 

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Nutinpa's picture

True.  Then again about a million people from Texas said the same thing about us 3 years ago.  

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ApexBuckeye's picture

The only thing Alabama validated was that this committee, and this system is a joke.  Looks like Clemson shouldn't have been in after all.  The Buckeyes could have played with any of the four teams in the playoff...  They better fix this thing soon.  I hope the rankings tank for the Natty game.  

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JoeCleveland's picture

Clemson invalidates the CFPs selection of them perhaps?

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JoeCleveland's picture

The CFP Committee needs to fix this once and for all..............   GO TO 8 GD teams already.!!!!

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rkylet83's picture

I wouldn’t like our chances against Clemson.  I think it would have been closer than last year with their offense struggling but I don’t think we could have moved the ball on them.  They would have bottled up the run and forced JT and the receivers to beat them.  

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JoeCleveland's picture

I would....  Clemson is terrible against a stout defense....   

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Dillon G's picture

The only thing validated last night is the fawning over Linccoln Riley was premature starting at the squib kick, which gave Georgia motivation. And that Clemson OOC without Watson looked horrible.

#walkaway

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KENTACOHUT's picture

agree 10,000 % . That squib kick while improperly executed  was the flip in momentum GA needed to  get back into the game. I literally said going into half GA will win this game smh 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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Brandon26841's picture

After the initial disappointment, I came to realize it was a blessing in disguise when they didn't make the playoffs, and now after having watched all of the bowl games I feel even more strongly about that. Ohio State's passing game would not have allowed them to win against Bama, Clemson, and probably even Georgia, and we all saw how Ohio State matches up with Oklahoma this season. I like the OSU defense against Bama and Clemson though, but I just don't think the offense would have moved the ball. I could see a 12/29, 129 yards, 1 INT, 18 carries for 31 yards stat line had they played those teams. 

Maybe next year? 

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JoeCleveland's picture

I disagree..... the OU game was game 2 of the season..... OSU vastly better than that now.... see USC game

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Brandon26841's picture

Who's to say Oklahoma didn't get better as the year went on as well?

I know what you're saying though. Who would have thought that the 2014 team that got bitch-smacked by Virginia Tech would romp through the post-season trampling Wisconsin, Bama, and Oregon? Not I. I think most people were thinking "7-5 season" after that Tech game, myself included. The problem is... the defense DID get better as the year went on. The offense? I don't think it really did. 

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CowCat's picture

We were just too inconsistent.

Losing to Oklahoma is respectable, as we had dumped a 21 point win on them in 2016. They were motivated, but only won by 15 points and ended up in the playoffs.

Losing to Iowa by a large margin sealed our fate. But it also didn't help that we barely squeaked by PSU by 1 point at home. It was a thrilling win, but not really a convincing one. If not for JT's perfect passing at the end, we lose that game.

Overall I'm happy with the season. No playoff, but we got payback against the #2 team I hate (USC), beat TTUN soundly in AA, and beat Sparty at home, which is not trivial, as Sparty's been beating us in the Shoe for years.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Dmac3212's picture

I said this on a couple posts. Looking back the Oklahoma is the biggest indictment of the season. The fact the Ohio State only managed 250 yards and 16 points against that putrid defense. That is the equivilant to getting shut out to Clemson last year. 

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Osusam77's picture

This should have been our year with 6 5-year seniors and all top players at their position. We know that JT wasn't the best at the long ball, but Alabama has won several Nattys with just a better than ave Q. I have to believe that better play call, better adjustments and readjustments, and overall game preparation would have allowed us to go the distance and win 14 games. 

I know we are spoiled and that winning the B1G & beating USC are great accomplishments, but we are left once again felling like we left something on the table. We are fans and entitled to complain, but always a Buckeye and I will always love this team.   

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Timbucktoo's picture

Yep, all of Saban's championships at Alabama and LSU have been achieved with average, game manager QBs. I think the difference with Saban is he rarely relies on his QB to win games as a strategy - just don't lose it. Instead, his teams rely on defense and running backs to win the game. It's my belief Urban put all his offensive eggs in JT's basket as a strategy, such that the offense went as JT went. I hope going forward the QB becomes more of a distributor to allow others to carry the offense more and lift some of the burden of the QB and become more unpredictable.

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BucksHave7's picture

We dont need more teams in the playoff. We need the written rules followed for selection criteria.

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Bratwurstcapitalbuckeye's picture

Auburn beat Alabama. Auburn loses to UCF. I'm not sure these teams are so great this year. Alabamas defense is impressive, so is the Buckeyes. Clemson was not good last night.

Go Bucks!

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Cruiser79's picture

The Crimson Tide beat the Tigers down in a manner the Buckeyes likely would not have been able to do. WOW!!! 

Cruiser79

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LWiegand91's picture

Watching the outback bowl, the commentators were quick to state that the Big 10's bowl record doesn't mean the committee got it wrong, that being said, you cant also say that because Alabama won their game the committee got it right.

The issue is that there is not enough cross conference games to assess what conference is better than others. While everyone wants to make the comparison of OSU getting in last year to Alabama this year the main difference is last year the committee was selecting between 2 teams from the same conference! I would propose that either conference champions OR a representative from each conference be the first criteria for the committee. In other words, Georgia, Clemson, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma would have been the clear starting point to choose from. That would be an actual playoff, would mean the regular season means something as well as the conference championship. If by some chance a team wins a conference championship that the committee doesn't think should be there, they must choose someone from that conference to be the representative of the 5 choices, ie. OSU versus PSU last year although I think they should have still selected PSU over Ohio State last year because of the head to head and conference championship. Yes, this also means the group of five tams and Independents (Join a conference ND) would be out of the playoff.

To add potential teams outside the Power 5 conference champs, go to an 8 team playoff, eliminate conference championship games (Go back to how conference champions were done before) all 5 conference champions get in and 3 wild cards. seed the 8 teams and the first 4 seeds get home games for the first round, the following rounds are done similar to today. Could do the first games during the week they do the conference championships then do the bowl season as is today, so even the teams losing the first round would get a bowl game also. Same time schedule and number of games as now, more participation by potential teams (UCF this year plus), teams that did not win conference championships (Alabama, Wisconsin...). Drawback - conference money for championship games, but I think that would be made up by the money fro the first round?

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Osusam77's picture

The issue is that there is not enough cross conference games to assess what conference is better than others. 

This is why I always wanted to have a 6 team playoff. All power 5 Conf champs need to be in with 1 wild card. OSU and USC would have been in and then the discussion would have been Alabama or Central Florida. 

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CowCat's picture

I agree with LW. If conference championships don't mean anything, why have them?

The B1G and the Pac 12 champions were both shut out, as was an undefeated UCF. Everything comes down to $$ and when you shut out a major market team like USC, the school with the largest fanbase in TOSU, and a school from a talent-rich state with one of the largest student bases in the country (UCF), that can't be good for the bottom line for ESPN or any other network.

Nah, we're just forced to watch a glorified SEC championship where two of the deep southeast teams duke it out, alienating 90% of the CFB fanbase.

At a time when sports channels are struggling to make a profit, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense (but thanks ESPN for laying off Mark May).

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

They didn't "validate" shit. ANYONE would have beaten that pathetic Clemson team. DEFINITELY OSU and Wisconsin. That's the narrative that pisses me off more than anyone. It started with OSU in 2014, WHO LEGIT LOOKED UNSTOPPABLE and was. Alabama backed into the playoffs, into a weak field of teams that a number of others INCLUDING UCF could beat. So the fact that Alabama has a one game "season" to show up "looking fresh and rejuvenated" is irrelevant. The fact that they didn't EARN their trip is ALL THAT MATTERS. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Timbucktoo's picture

Wholeheartedly agree! I didn't think Ohio State deserved a spot after the Iowa loss, but also didn't think Alabama deserved to get in, though I suspected the Committee would choose them.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I actually have zero problems with Ohio State being on the outside looking in on the CFP. I'll keep beating the dead horse - if you want in the Playoff, don't lose by 31 to a mediocre football team. If OSU were on the other side of this, ranked 4th ahead of a two loss SEC Champ Alabama that lost by 31 to Texas A&M, we'd all be screaming from the hilltops regarding getting outcoached and out played in every facet by an unranked football team should keep ANY team out of the Playoff.

Based on all of the evidence available a the time, The Committee got it right. Even when it comes to UCF, I'm thoroughly convinced that they'd struggle to beat a team like Michigan State, let alone Penn State, Ohio State, or the teams actually in the Playoff field.

Now, on to 2018 When does spring football start?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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buckeyepastor's picture

Here's the problem with Bama's selection, even though they won their semi-final and are likely to win it all.   In short, their selection and the explanation of it and even the "vindication" claimed from last night just undermines the whole idea of teams competing all year long to get a playoff spot.   

Going back to the committee explanation, their case wasn't that Bama had one loss and it was a better loss than the others who even with conference titles had two losses to Bama's one.  Their case was that from Week 1 to Week 11, Bama just looked better.   To me, the only way one can say that is if one goes in with the assumption that since Bama has superior recruits and has been at or near the top for years now that a close win just means they played a very good opponent and a big win can still mean they played a very good opponent.   Bottom line is Bama's wins were good wins by virtue of them being Bama's wins, which is to say that the committee appeared to have Bama from week one in a position of "you're in until you do enough to lose that status" whereas everyone else starts out on the outside of the playoff and is working to earn their way into it.   

Truth is, any year in the foreseeable future, especially with Saban at the helm, even a two or three loss Bama team is going to be a squad that has the talent and intangibles with a month to prepare for the playoff committee to deem them a team that is among the four toughest in the country.   And that's what their selection was about this year.  The committee was awarding not a body of work so much as a roster and a "brand."   Yes, they showed themselves up to the challenge by handling Clemson, but even if they win convincingly next week their path to being the #4 and the thinking behind it really undermines the whole process.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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nvbuckeye's picture

Speculate all you want, after that debacle in Iowa City, the Buckeyes got what they deserved.  I can forgive the loss to okie as a revenge game.  Losing to the hawkeyes was unforgivable to Buckeye Nation and to the joke CFP committee.  2018 is the time to erase all doubts about Buckeye football and win the whole thing outright.

GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BuckPooter's picture

Given that, being snubbed from the playoff might have actually been a blessing in disguise for the Buckeyes. A second straight playoff semifinal loss to the Tigers certainly would have furthered the narrative that Clemson’s football program has surpassed Ohio State’s.

My thoughts exactly. While I think OSU could have beaten any of the playoff teams I also think OSU could have lost badly to any of the teams.

Happy with the season and a top 5 finish. With the departures last year I had OSU pegged for 3-4 losses and was pleasantly surprised with the end result. The Iowa loss still stings, though.

Have my fingers crossed for 2018 but expect growing pains with a new QB and new personnel on the offensive and defensive lines. Hopefully the LB play improves to help mitigate the departures on the D line.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Look, Ohio State's offense did not play well against USC. But I am reminded of the wise old saying, "necessity is the mother of invention." After Ohio State jumped up 24-0 in the Cotton Bowl, at no point after that was Ohio State's offense put into a situation where it had to take, or retake, command of the game.

In the first half, when the game was still in doubt, the Buckeyes offense score on 3 of its first 5 offensive series:

  1. 5 plays, 21 yards for a TD after USC fumbled on its first offensive series of the game
  2. 5 plays for 7 yards
  3. 13 plays for 83 yards and a FG. This drive started with about 5 minutes left in the 1Q and ended at the beginning of the 2Q; on USC's next offensive series, it was pick 6, Ohio State 17-0.
  4. 3 plays for 9 yards
  5. 2 plays, 59 yards, TD. Ohio State now up 24-0!

As for Ohio State's defense . . . if they had made the playoff and played as well against Clemson as they played against USC - which has a much better offense than Clemson does - it would have been a bloodbath for Clemson's offense.

Keep in mind that Bama only got 260 total yards against Clemson even though it was a 10-6 game well into the 3Q. Bama's offense had a strong sense of urgency coming out of the locker room in the 2H and proceeded to go 1 play, -2 yards and a fumble; 7 plays for 27 yards. Thankfully, for them, they got a pick 6, too, that broke the game open.

But here's a juicy stat for the "realist" faction of the Buckeye fan base: Alabama never had an offensive series against Clemson travel farther than 47 yards!  Here is their yards gained per series: 8, 47 (FG), 46 (TD), 41, 39, -2, 3, 27 (TD), 15, 3, 22, 11. 

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wojodta's picture

I definitely think being up big contributed to the offense looking so shitty in the 2nd half. I think the coaches felt that there's no point in taking any risks. The only way USC had a chance was if we did some dumb shit on offense.

Regarding Bama, the key in hanging with them is don't turn the damn ball over. Their offense is actually very average. They always win with great defense. I swear every time I watch Bama play, they get a pick 6 and then the game is basically over. Teams just can't avoid making those mistakes against them.

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

All 4 of those teams would beat Ohio St. Partly because we don't have great q.b. play, and our line backers aren't house old names who can dominate.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

We don't have good QB play but Clemson does? lol don't make me laugh Bryant looked terrible. JT would NOT turn the ball over like he was in that game.

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Buck68's picture

LEFT to wonder what might have been,

is the rite of irrelevance now and then.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Glaringly obvious but Ohio State's offense was not championship caliber if you want to be honest.... I have no idea why Wilson didn't light it up as expected/hoped, but it really never happened.  We also got our asses completely kicked by Iowa... I'm good with how this season ended because it absolutely sets the tone for this coming season!

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OSUBias's picture

As painful as this is to say, it’s not a narrative that Clemson has surpassed us. 3 playoff appearances vs 2, 2 title game trips vs 1, 1 championship (tied), 1 ugly loss (tied), and 1 head to head ass whooping. They are objectively consistently closer to winning championships. 

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Bamabucknut's picture

Loss to Iowa.....poor performance in 2nd half of Big 10 Championship.....poor offensive performance in Cotton Bowl  ....all point to OSU not good enough to be in the final 4.

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gmonnie's picture

Feel like a SEC writer wrote this article. What a bunch of pussies in the comment section. You can't win if you're too scared to play. 50% of success is showing up. Damn!  Thank god those of you who were glad we didn't make it weren't around when we stormed Normandy. 

Gmonnie

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Nutinpa's picture

General Patton back from the dead?   Great to have you back sir!  Polish that revolver of yours?

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Osusam77's picture

It seems like the last 3 year - and esp this past year - we forgot how to put our foot on our opponents throat and end it when we had them down. We just let them hang around until the middle or end of Q4. We should have scored 2 more TDs against USC which would have ended 38-7 and beat Wisky by at least 13, but it seems like we lost our killer instinct. Although both are good teams, we took our foot off the throttle.  

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tcm1968's picture

It wasn't the loss to Iowa imo it was the 55 points. We lose 20-17 and we get in imo... That 55 was just unforgivable..

Will never understand the take "we only scored 17 points against USC so we can't score against team x".... anybody who watched the USC game knows we got up and went pure Tressle Ball... no telling what we could have done if we actually ran plays or if we got behind and were forced to run plays. USC couldn't do anything. We just ran between the tackles because it severely limits turnover possibilities. Tressleball, punt, defense and repeat... 

I think we were setup to hang with both Georgia and Clemson... still not sure we could beat that Oklahoma team... it's maddening. That's probably Saban's weakest Bama team and they may hoist the trophy..

Go Bucks!

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

this * 100

losing a close game to Iowa in Kinnick is forgivable.. getting blown away is not.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Agreed a close loss on the road would have been explainable. Blowout and 2nd loss just inexcusable 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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kjonesATX's picture

And Ohio State validated them (playoff committee) in 2014. I never had an issue with Bama making it as there was always going to be a good argument that they were one of the four best teams. What bothered me, is the justification for them being there was just that, "we think they are one of the four best teams." 2015 Ohio State would like a word.

That being said, if you watched those games yesterday and feel like this year's team 'stood no chance' against any of those 4 teams, then you are just simply suffering from PTSD from Clemson and OU in the past 12ish months. I felt the same way about Ohio State in 2008 after what happened in 2006 and 2007, so maybe you will get back to having hope/faith again. I didn't see teams that were unbeatable. Far from it. This year's defense could have made Georgia, Clemson, and Bama all very one-dimensional on offense, while doing enough with our offense to win. And OU would have had all kinds of motivation/revenge and I think we could have held them under 30 while scoring that much or more to win. Are those guaranteed? Nope. But I would have liked our chances. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Ohio State's read option offense needs to be put on the football scrap heap. Watching the other offenses in the playoff showed much more creativity in play calling and imagination. 

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Eph97's picture

The most frustrating aspect of this is that Alabama's recent success could have been Ohio State's:

2012 - Gene Smith's boneheaded decision not to self ban in 2011 prevented what would have been easy wins over Nebraska and ND for a title. Should have punished the 2011 team, as it was the team that had the players of tat gate on it. Sure, NCAA could have been very harsh and banned them for 2012 also, but that was  a risk worth taking. Highly unlikely 2012 bowl ban was coming in that scenario because banning a team from a bowl for 2 straight seasons just does not happen barring an SMU type case. Why exactly did playing in a crap bowl game for 2011 matter so much? All it did was stick OSU with a losing record for the first time in a long time and of course cost the 2012 title shot.

2015 - Now we know conference titles don't matter. Committee could have kept Alabama home and put OSU in saying OSU was "unequivocally" better. Put MSU and OSU in, leave the SEC out. Alabama lost to Ole Miss. This team was OSU's most talented in a long time with a record setting number of first rounders.

2017 - We all know the arguments why OSU could have been selected. All it took was either not scheduling Oklahoma and instead an in-state cream puff or beating Iowa.

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NYWoodyFan's picture

Alabama's defense looked extraordinary last night. Every unit looked like not just NFL, but first or second round caliber. 

We shall see if this was a case of Clemson's offense being woeful, or if the recovered health and weeks of preparation made them potent. Shorter lead time for Georgia.

But, really, freshman QB and a run-heavy offense, I doubt this game is any closer.

Matt

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Well, I'm sorry the Seniors(And the underclassmen leaving early)did not have a opportunity to play for a National Championship, but the offensive woes against good defenses would have been magnified in another CFP game. After the debacle against Clemson last year I think it would have hurt the Buckeye brand to take another big game beating. Yes, this team had a Championship level defensive line, and one of top overall defenses in the country, but the dysfunctional passing game seems to reappear every time they face a top defense......that is the simple truth. Clemson laid an egg last night against Bama, but you can't assume they would have also played that poorly against the Buckeyes in a hypothetical playoff game. Let's celebrate a VERY good season and try to fix the passing game this spring.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

Passing game looked good against MSU and PSU 2 good defenses.

It's clear in the USC game we were going for ball control and security in the second half.. 

 

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Yoda888's picture

there's just too much subjectivity at the moment in terms of how teams should be ranked.  There needs to be clearly defined, tangible criterias that every member follows and every team should play to.  It seems that everything really starts with pre-season rankings and this has an out-sized impact on rankings the rest of the season.  You can have a team ranked #1 in the pre-season poll and played 10 mid-tier teams and beat them all, and the first CFP ranking will have them as #1, while another team who's ranked #20 pre-season and have beaten 3-4 "top 25" pre-season ranked teams and it will never overtake the #1 pre-season ranked team.  This has happened more often than not and it clearly shows the influence of pre-season polls.  

Yoda888

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

People want to piggyback the "Buckeyes should be in the playoff" argument on top of "we need to change the playoff" argument and they're two different arguments. The loss to Iowa gave us two losses, which is historically bad enough as a two-loss team has not made the playoff yet, as well as mathematically bad to the tune of 31 points.  You are hard-pressed to lose twice in any season and make the playoff and cannot lose by 31 to a mediocre team and make it. The fact that Buckeye fans cannot admit this is laughable as they would be the first to crucify another conference champion that had a similar loss. The second argument is worth having and most seem to like the eight-team format (five conference champions, three at-large teams). Enough already, though, with how we should have been in the playoffs and how we would have beaten all of the teams in the playoff (despite the inconvenient fact that Oklahoma kicked our asses at home).  Time to move on.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

I'm going to disagree.  

Alabama DIDN'T look like the best team in the country.  If OSU showed up, we could have beaten either Bama or Clemson last night.

Georgia and Oklahoma, on the other hand - THEY look like the best teams in the country. 

Anyway, on to 2018.  Go Bucks!  Beat Oregon State! 
 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

I think it's very telling that a group of die hard buckeye fans, who follow the team so closely, can't even agree if osu should have gotten in or not. The CFP committee has an incredibly difficult job.  I don't believe there was a conspiracy or SEC bias to it at all. I think with all else being relatively close, it was easy to look at our blowouts this year, primarily IA, and say "well, lets put in bama I guess." 

Personally, I think we forfeited any right to bitch after IA hung more than 50 on us. Did any of you feel we deserved to be in after that game? The only thing that changed after that was Bamma dropped one game, on the road to a good to really good team in a rivalry game. In my mind Bamma deserved it's spot. 

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beavis's picture

all of this talk about what might have been. I know this - jt barrett has NEVER played well on the big stage. and I wouldn't like our chances vs any of the 4 playoff teams.

good luck to jt in his life; but, I'm ready for a change at qb.

beavis

HS
GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

Don’t kid yourselves o state would’ve been pounded by Clemson and the rest...

defense would have been good enough but the offense...

I don’t see it.

HS