The big ten should be winning these games. If osu was in the cfp, every team gets bumped up one spot, psu plays usc, Wisconsin plays Washington, etc. The results would be different.
You know this for a fact that the results would be different? Because tbh, I don’t think they would be. Psu wipes the floor with USC, Wisconsin beats Washington, etc. just because different matchups doesn’t change result. Big 10 just seems to be on a different level than pac 12.
I tend to agree with this. I'm fine w/ admitting that the B10 doesn't have one of the top 4 teams this year-but also has the 5th,6th, and 7th best teams-along w/ Sparty, who are top 15,imo, and NW and Iowa who are both very, very solid.
Perhaps the results would be different, perhaps not. The Pac 12 hasn’t shown much. It’s noy like Big 10 teams are playing trash competition. Miami was ranked 10 and Washington ranked 12.
Your point has some validity, since the B1G teams would all move up one bowl game. However, the B1G has had that situation before: received tough bowl draws in year's past and been dissed when its teams lost.
They usually are. As already stated many time. Big Ten 6 against somebody else number 3. And 5 against 2. The Big Ten has been elite my entire short life of 44 years.
Completely wrong. There is parity at the top echelon and any team can beat any other. Your reasoning for anticipated losses for Big Ten games due to a revised rack and stack if we were at #4 is flawed for the simple fact that Alabama would have played the same game we just played; USC. That being said; it is more likely that they would have been paired against MERCER instead... Had they played MERCER again I like our team's chances against the next level because I feel that all of our teams played very well this Bowl Season... with perhaps the exception of our very own Buckeyes who could not get the offense going (e.g. barely over 100 yards passing and our RBs averaged just over 3 yards per carry = not our best showing). Had we paired as #4 against Clemson I liked our chances IF our offense showed up - which if failed to do yet again against USC but that's not to say we couldn't beat Clemson we would have needed some luck on our side (like what happened with USC and their giving us several TOs).
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I like our chances against anybody IF our offense shows up because we are objectively the most well rounded, best team in college football when our offense shows up. BUT our offense usually doesn’t show up and It would be even less likely for our offense to show up against the talented Clemson defense.
Our 2017 offense not showing up is generally based off of one thing, can J.T. complete passes consistently enough to stretch the front 7 and keep defensive backs honest.
Amen to that. 100% agreement and as much as I loved JT for his leadership I very much disliked his QB efforts - he compiled a lot of yards and so on but it was not without tons of nail-biting.
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not accurate. We had 3 teams in the NY6. No conference had more only the SEC has as many. All the rest of our bowls were on parity and so were our NY6.
His two facedness is due to allegiance to his boss ESPN/SEC on the one hand and to his alma mater on the other hand. The boss always wins the big public arguments he puts out though because the boss signs his paychecks.
So let me ask this, IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
I never claimed it was the same thing. Damn you get jumpy over this. I was just pointing out someone who had made references specifically towards ESPN's tendencies to show favoritism towards SEC strength overall.
Only, he didn't make ANY references specifically about ESPN's "favoritism" towards the SEC. That's why I responded the way I did. See links below for what Kanell was talking about.
Holy cow I hate Herbstreit. He is one of the most immature, conceited, self-important guys in sports media. His inability to police himself on social media, as a nearly 50 year old adult person should, is pathetic, and the 'look down his nose' superiority toward anyone with whom he disagrees is infantile. I understand that he gets tweeted at by people who have no clue what they're talking about and that he gets accused of playing favorites, but to repeatedly and caustically reply to these people on twitter is just asinine... and the mark of someone who's not too bright. Stay off twitter, dumbass, because you clearly don't have the brainpower to manage it correctly.
Maybe he should delete his Twitter account if he can’t keep from tweeting back. Social media is definitely not for some people...makes them look very silly.
Hahahaha! I'm an asshole, NCB3, of that there is little doubt, so you're probably right. On the 'fun at a party' spectrum you have Belichick/Saban/Kelly on one end and Kiffin/Carroll/Switzer on the other, and I do fall closer to the Belichick end of that gamut. But in my defense, I'm much older now. I used to be looser... especially relative to the number of 8balls and hookers at the party.
And thanks, NorCal... I'll meet you at Varsity Club next time you're in for a game.
Have you read most TWATer feeds? Horrible. Are you the one? The legend that I've heard of that writes on TWATer with vetted and accurate posts that are so enlightening that Einstein would pay attention if he were still alive? Nice to meet your acquaintance....
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I disagree whole heartedly. Didn’t you all learn something with the last presidential election cycle. America, is just sick of this political correctness nonsense. We, the United States elected a president who like him or hate him tells it like it is. Herbie has been brutalized first by Buckeye fans for not standing up for Ohio State more. It was so bad, that he had to leave the Columbus area. I’m sure this wasn’t the only factor into why he moved, the last year he lived in the Columbus suburb, the city he lived in became so fed up with buckeye fan behavior that with the ok of the development he lived in, they had to limit access to the area with 24 hour police presence. The stationed a police officer at the entrance to his development 24/7. Are you serious.
The guy is by far the top college football play by play guy and may be one the best sports analyst in all of sports. An extreme talent to say the least. Desmond Howard in the other hand is such a UM homer, it is just ridiculous. So yeah tell that moron where to go and how to get there. Why is he the guy that has to be the so called adult in the room. It’s time to let em know what’s up
Herbie gave the BIG some kudos and he gets ripped by both sides. Unbelievable - It is to the point that no one can give arguments or opinions which espouses a particular position without getting called names or have derisive comments made.
If you have a salient point to make against someone’s “opinion” then do so with thought and clarity. If you have to resort to name calling; you have lost!
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He’s a bandwagon jumper, which is why he brings this stuff on himself. He has no compass. If he were to just post his opinions, which change as the wind blows, it’d be what it is. But to use it as a forum for his kindergarten-level retorts is just embarrassing himself. It will never help him, and definitely hurts.
C'mon guys... he works for an employer that is in bed with the SEC... His employer is more concerned with indoctrinating its audience with its perception of social justice-- as a result, they are going in the tank financially... Herbie walks a tight line at ESPN--- when you make a lot of money, you have a target on your back... Personally, I love the fact that he put the schrill Desmond in his place... For my money, I will take Herbie--- who's better than him? Desmond? Jesse Palmer? Robert Smith? The LB from Georgia?
i will take Herbie any day -- for his knowledge of college football...
Joey Galloway is better. Joel Klatt is strong, but I haven’t seen enough of him yet. Believe it or not, McElroy is very good, but he hasn’t quite figured out where he wants to be on the spectrum. Last year he was a college football fan. This year, I get the impression he wants to take over for Carrot Top Danielson.
And, while I haven't watched any non-Buckeye games on ESPN, I still have a relatively positive impression of Chris Fowler. Wish he could make the jump to Fox.
Who is better? Paul Keels. Gus Johnson. Mack Brown. Charles Davis. Yes, Herbie has to whore his soul for ESPN-that doesn't mean we should respect him for that fact.
No bias here......
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He reports sports news. Things change from season to season. That's not bandwagoning, that's reporting.
If you look at his original Tweet that started this exchange, he was merely praising the Badgers, their players and the B1G.
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Unbelievable - It is to the point that no one can give arguments or opinions which espouses a particular position without getting called names or have derisive comments made.
Were you just looking at my Facebook & Twitter feeds?
My only problem with what he said is the fact that it looks like it was tweeted by a drunk person. So many caps and exclamations. Why? It discounts what you say.
dO PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS EXSPUNGE useless conversation as does Kirk Herbstreit, you cannot be a Buckeye fan and not know Kirk was an AP Voter who voted OSU #5 in the poll to help put Red Junkies in CFP....... get your crap together, and KNOW the circumstances "As you say"
I don't care what he says/does. It's his account - if his employers don't care, why should we? My guess is that they like it - brings in viewers and creates 24 hour "news" of sorts
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Big 10 is clearly the best conference top to bottom. This doesn't mean the committee got it wrong or right necessarily. Top 4 teams could still be the best 4. But top to bottom Big Ten is more competitive.
This rings very true for 2017. This doesn’t mean committee got it wrong. What happened was best result possible. We get to end the season with a good win against a solid team. The rest of the Big Ten got better bowl matchups because we missed playoffs. Imagine if we had made the playoffs and then had to watch our hopeless offense get pasted by Clemson’s D-line. Instead we enter the off-season with momentum and the Big Ten will get kudos for undefeated bowl season (if Harbs takes care of business) and for completely pasting the finest the PAC-12 had to offer.
Totally agreed. With such an anemic offensive output we might be looking at another 31-0-type shellacking and the non-OSU fans would be howling for years (like they did when the Buckeyes got favorable placement for BCS games due to ratings/tickets).
The conference didn't get better matchups because Ohio State was left out of the playoffs. If the Bucks were in, Alabama would have faced USC and Wisconsin/Penn State would have still drawn Miami and Washington.
If you read the Tweet in context, he is defending the Big 10. Someone accused him of “bias” for congratulating Wisconsin and the Big 10 on their winning.
Another thanks from me. On first read I interpreted as supporting B1G. Then I thought it was supporting CFP committee to put Alabama in. Finally I was just confused.
Yes, thought the same thing when he said it, then realized he was just trying to pump the game he was announcing. Gotta build that buzz for every game to keep your employer solvent!
He repeatedly said he thought PSU was the best team, and that McSorley was the best QB in the conference (largely due to Baker Mayfield-esque moxie, which is apparently his gold standard).
ESPN is creating it Bowl Game Wrapup highlight montage to play on New Years Day, and wondering if anyone will notice they are only showing clips of Mississipi State.
The committee disrespected Ohio State's win over Wisconsin as a non-achievement. Had we beaten Miami, we would have been in--it's all about Southern bias
In all honesty, if you saw any of the selection show, Rece Davis downplayed the entire Buckeye schedule, not giving credit for any quality wins, all while hyping up the Iowa loss. He did acknowledge that the Penn State win was good, then someone on set started talking about the win over Wisky. Now, Wisky was sitting on ESPN’s board as the #6 right over his shoulder, and he summarily dismissed it as not a great win, only to have to walk that ball later in the show. It was ridiculous. And where was Herbie? Off screen, texting Saban his congrats.
How about the graphic they used during the Cotton Bowl to compare OSU and Bama's resumes? Did anyone else notice that they had Bama's record v ranked teams at 3-1 and equal to ours? Did anyone else notice that that statistic is QUITE LITERALLY "fake news?" Alabama ACTUALLY had a record of 2-1 v ranked teams when the selection show aired bc Fresno got beat by Boise and dropped out of the rankings from #25.
So, as the SEC is being forcibly sodomized by everyone during bowl season on national TV, and Ohio State is in the process of embarrassing USC, they panicked and resorted to bold-face lies (and a made-up ESECPN stat called "strength of victory" that probably has 'SEC team' being raised to an exponential power in it's algorithm somehow) to sell a failed and false narrative.
That's where we are, folks. The emperor wears nothing but a cloak of lies.
yep ... and the bamas and georgias of the sec get to count that as a "quality win" when they beat the puppets. just curious to the people who say there is no sec bias ... when was the last time a B1G team ... or any other non-sec team ... was ranked as high as #23 in week three, and then went WINLESS in their conference?!?!?!?!?!
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Tennessee will ironically be ranked too next season because they hired a new coach. That's worth 7 wins. Add on the bonus they get from two teams in the playoff and that's 5 more wins.
Spot on, Scooby. It's the circular logic of SEC "greatness".
They all, basically, play nobody OOC, but because 5 or 6 of the 7 teams in one division are ranked, no matter who wins it, they'll have like 6 wins over ranked teams. Never mind that those other teams ultimately end up largely in the trash heap themselves, the survivor is the king of the toughest division in boxingfigure skating college football!
You think next year is the year of Kentucky then? Narrative could be they would have blown out their game if the ref didn't eject Snell, while interns are in the basement destroying all footage of NW losing players.
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
It obviously happens for a number of reasons. First, I highly doubt there are any meetings or formal discussions that directly tell on air personalities to pump one and shit on the other. However, there would be opportunities - all day, every day - to discuss which stories to air and what to leave on the scrap heap, how to present each story, which are going to be one-offs and which will have a multi-day or multi-week story arc, which are going to feed into segments by analysts like Finebaum, whose job it is to pump up the SEC, lead-ins, etc. it also becomes pretty obvious indirectly with who gets chosen for what assignments, etc. Every workplace has rules that are well understood, even if they cannot be explicitly stated. The preferred focus is rewarded by promotions, inclusion, etc., while lack of adherence is shown by telling people to go sit at their desks, and someone will let them know when they’re needed. Pretty standard stuff.
For the last two decades, if any employee wanted to call them out and go elsewhere, what options do you have? They dominate TV, radio, and even local radio coverage. Other networks like One on one sports have come and gone, and Fox never seems to get strong in the national market, only spotty regional coverage so far. The on air personalities know that, and ESPN knows that. That’s why the quality of their product has been in serious decline, yet they still call all the shots because there’s no other game in town.
Come on man, you're reaching here. There are PLENTY of ways to get this type of info out...SI, FOX, regional media outlets, personal blogs, podcasts, etc. All it takes is ONE disgruntled ex employee, of which there are MANY, that talks about his or her experiences working at ESPN and the pro-SEC push they force on employees...but not a peep. We have multiple ex OSU football players who used to work at ESPN...still, not a peep. For all of this talk about ESPN forcing it's employees to be pro-SEC, you don't find it odd that we can't even find ONE person to corroborate these claims of internal bias? Not one.
And everything you described in you first sentence....that has to come from somewhere. If producers are cherry picking what stats to show or what stories to push, that comes from somewhere. You don't find it odd that not ONE person has spoken out on this? Not one. And if people no longer work at said employer, then they aren't bound by the "workplace rules" you speak of.
Some folks are of the opinion that ESPN is in it primarily for the profits. Do profits happen without any discussion about which stories to run with? If so, where would that come from? Or does it just sort of happen? Again, pretty standard stuff.
Some folks are of the opinion that ESPN is in it primarily for the profits. Do profits happen without any discussion about which stories to run with?
OK, lets run with this.
ESPN cares about profits. ESPN cares about ROI. So it ESPN cares about profits and ROI, why don't they care about profiting from their investment in the B1G TV rights? If, according to you, there are "discussions" taking place, then why haven't we heard about why ESPN pays the B1G more money than the SEC for the next 6 years, yet still chooses to shit on the brand and potentially lose money on their investments.
If so, where would that come from? Or does it just sort of happen?
Again, who is pushing this? Producers? Where do they get their orders? You're still telling me it's perfectly normal that over the last 10+ years we haven't heard ONE person who worked for ESPN corroborate these claims if forced bias?
You're trying to oversimplify a complex conspiracy.
No, think you’re trying to make a pretty easy concept somewhat complex.
Executive committee establishes a vision for where a company wants to be and where they see their core business.
Senior leadership puts together a strategy for growth in the direction to support the vision and strengthen the brand.
Producers line up talent, guests, content, segments, etc. that support the growth that supports the vision and strengthens the brand.
Directors put together the execution strategy for the individual shows as they are aired to support the vision and strengthen the brand. They choose the stories (time is limited), the pacing, the priority (only one story can be chosen as the ledge - is it the best sports story, or the one that best supports the overall vision?)
On air talent delivers the facts and messaging under the guidance of the directors to support the concepts from the producers to support the vision and strengthen the brand.
The off air support staff...
Everyone employed wants to get the attention of their colleagues and bosses for a job well done, which isn’t about quality work. It’s about hitting on the keys that support whatever it is to get their bosses accolades from their bosses, and get themselves a better payday. Again, every big business is run this way. It’s not unique to ESPN, and it’s not hard.
I mean, do you really think that Dr. Drake or Gene Smith are working on the detailed aspects of how a fake punt gets executed in a game?
That's very well thought out, and I don't disagree. But you're proving my point. Through ALL of that, still, not ONE person has come out and talked about the top down vision of the company to push the pro-SEC/anti-B1G narrative. Not one.
If ESPN doesn’t do any planning or coordination for what stories to tell and how to tell them, then why have we NEVER seen the “story segment random roulette wheel” for news and live sports coverage? Seems that NOT ONE person has ever shown it, or even verified its existence. wHY NOt?
That's not the same thing at all, and you know it....up until now you've been very logical but that comparison is just absurd. You, and many others, are alleging a top down conspiracy at ESPN with the end game being to ensure the pro-SEC/anti-B1G narrative is pushed at all costs. If that were true, we would have, over the course of the last 10+ years, heard at LEAST one person who has worked for, or has ties to, ESPN corroborate this.
What you're saying just doesn't make any sense. On one hand, you make the correct claim that ESPN(like all media outlets) plans what stories to tell and how to tell them. On the other, keeping in mind that ESPN tells it's staffers what to push(your words), you refuse to believe that this information would ever leak out to anyone outside of the ESPN circle of trust.
Highly unlikely, but let's say this is the case. We still haven't heard ONE instance of an ex employee confirming any of this. Nothing. We've heard nothing from colleagues of ESPN employees who work at other media outlets hearing whispers about ESPN forcing employees to push a certain product. That's one awfully tight conspiracy.
I'm in the camp that he is defending his right to commend the BIG on the Bowl record. Trying not to get caught up in the drama of conference bias. The Buckeyes won their Bowl game, the rest is just dessert since college football won't be on until late August again. That being said, go Gamecocks because I could never cheer for michigan.
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Agree. I don't think he is showing bias, I think he's just cheering as a fan of the sport and giving props to a conference that is 7-0. If it was any other conference I think he would do the same.
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He is defending the big 10. Read his feed. He gave Wisconsin and the big 10 props and people said he was biased. He’s saying that he’s giving credit where credit is due because the big 10 is always fighting a stigma that they are weak. He is sticking up for the big 10 here
He’s not. He’s trying to play both sides. He was the most vocal about the ‘courage’ of the committee (ESPN) to ‘do the right thing’ and ignore the conference championship and put Alabama in the playoffs over OSU. He was the biggest cheerleader of Alabama being worthy, ‘because by then they’ll be healthy’ by then (Hamilton and Moses will be out, potentially with others still hobbling). Couple that with the SEC’s bowl performance so far, and it’s becoming the worse case scenario for ESPN’s pro-SEC narrative.
Unless Alabama beats Clemson, ESPN will get backlash for their selections, which Herbie will undoubtedly defend by saying two things: 1. ESPN is only reporting news and has nothing to do with which teams ultimately get selected (bullshit), and 2. He is pro-B1G because he tweeted some stuff after the B1G was already 7-0 in the bowl games. He’s trying to protect his personal brand, nothing more.
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line of SEC love?
Herby is not going to do anything to piss off his bosses. That's what people forget. He chose his career over appeasing fans. I lost all respect for him a long time ago and think he's nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece, but he has a right to protect his job. Doesn't mean we all have to give a shit what he has to say.
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I always got to keep Pointing out the Obvious.. FOLLOW the $$. on why Bowl team go where.. and Why playoff Conferences schools got in over others. Disney/ESPiN is Losing Tons of $$ twice this year many layoffs.. over 200+ maybe even 300. Kirk may not be there in a year or so.. bet they Cut him to save a BUCK.. That network not dumb Always Over hype your investments, thats SEC/ACC and Playoffs. SO Disney will Support news Articles or there talking heads that ALWAYS give SEC/ACC or Playoff Picks in Positive light. TROLL anyone's Disagreements as if they are Stupid. HYPE HYPE HYPE.. = $$$$$ eyeballs to watch there Product.. they needed BADLY to Show with a big BOGUS lie that SEC/ACC best in college football so getting three in was BIG OVER HYPE WIN for Disney/ESPiN .. they will cash in next year in Regular season advertising tv commercials $$$$.. don't matter how those Team do.. they got three in.. PERIOD.. ALso ACC/SEC will use it Conference wide to get Recruits in 2019 some this year to hope on aboard .. over BITTEN,BIG12, PAC12..conferences...this is BIG $$ Propaganda technique. Good Manipulation if the Audience Is Ignorant to what they are really doing and Not calling them out on it... by Stop or Not watching Playoffs.. and Not watching ESPiN ... Of Course there Weak defense is to call those calling them out on there Propaganda is to use Old CIA bull crap terms like Conspiracy Theory again hoping Audience is to Dumb to think for themselves and will believe there more Propaganda.. that ESPiN is or won't Ever REALLY do it which they CLEARLY ARE for Financial Benefits...well DAHH they are in Business to make $$$$$.. So again the OBVIOUS I'll point OUT !!!! Follow the $$$ .. and why they making $$$ or need too...
Kirk Herbstreit "THE NEW MARK MAY" and largest anti-Ohio State EX I have ever had the displeasure of listening to, your paycheck speaks as loud as your anti BIG words kirk....you were a suck-ass quarterback, and I view you in the same category as Art Schliester, a thief and a lie, you WERE A BUCKEYE and still you diss on the school that gave you your life as you have it now, I would be happy if ESPN fell off the planet earth, and your pretty wife had to find another to help raise your kids because you became a "HOMELESS LEGEND" A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND TO PUT A CORRUPT ORGANISATION AND PAYCHECK ABOVE WHAT THE TRUTH IS ! On selection day for the CFP, all I heard from you was HOW DAMNED GREAT Alabama was, even in the game against MERCER......... we may have lost against IOWA but at least it was not a freakin Class III school we played, YOU ARE A TWO-FACED JERK.............. AND I PRAY KARMA PAYS YOU A VISIT AND KICKS YOU IN THE BALLS BOY ! MAYBE THEN YOU WILL REALISE NOT TO SELL OUT THE HAND THAT FED YOU ..............JERK OFF
The CFP Committee/ESPN clearly have a Southern bias. They have had no consistency, logic or reliability in their history of selections. As a matter of fact they lied this year. You need to watch Joel Klatts video after the playoff selection. He nails it. Bottom line I’ve only watched Big Ten games and don’t plan on watching any of the playoff games. Know quite a few non SEC fans doing the same.
You can't honestly believe that. Bucks are conference champs. Before the bowl they had two current top ten wins. Both those wins had teams win the Fiesta and Orange. MSU won their bowl as did Army. Bucks went 5-1 against teams that won 10 games or more. Bama's best win so far is against 10 win Fresno State. They have zero top 10 wins and have only two top 25 currently against LSU and MSU. Bama took a loss to AU when Bucks beat scUM and then beat Wisky. Their resume is no where near OSU's regardless of their two losses.
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
buckeyes had better wins than anyone this year. the iowa game was a fluke which anyone with eyes can see, nobody dissing clemson for losing to syracuse or alabama for beating nobody at all, watch that bullcrap game if you want, I wont
Man, Herbstreit gets flamed by OSU fans when he doesn't talk up the Buckeyes and gives kudos to other teams, and he gets flamed by everyone else when he tries to talk up the Big Ten, a conference which actually did very well in the post season.
What's a dude from Cville gotta do?
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I did find it really disingenuous how ESPN threw up a stat using the USC game making it look like Bama and OSU had identical schedules being like 3-1 verses top 15-20 teams. But OSU had two losses.
Didnt see the Mercer game listed. Or the fact that OSU was beating too 5-10 teams and Bama wasn’t.
The ESPN-SEC narrative is overstated sometimes but real.
It’s definitely there. My old neighbor was an associate producer for NBA countdown, and he literally said ESPN was the ‘bane of my existence’. All the rumors about how the pay grind their employees and spit them out are true. He gave me the goods on a lot of their ‘personalities’. He said 100% that they try to drive the narratives with their shows. He didn’t work on Gameday, but he did have a lot of interactions with them and especially hearing things from the producers of that show. You can squarely put Fowler, Davis, Vilma, most of the SEC Network team, and Pollack (on the better end of this spectrum) in the ‘best conference’/look test camp. And yes, they do receive direction from higher ups to embrace their ‘network’ and ensure that the product receives ‘their full attention’.
Really? Funny how this has NEVER come out from a single person who used to work as either a writer or analyst....several of which are ex OSU or B1G players.
Are they still in the business? With Fox or BTN? Why would they raise it if they are? My old neighbor works for SI now, done with production and happier for it. Hit me up if you’re ever in Atlanta, I’ll introduce you and you can hear it first hand. He’s got his Emmy and about 50+ pictures of him on set and in studio with the media members, celebrities, and players.
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The one wearing the tie for the wrong reasons
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
I think he's referring to Desmond.
#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld
The big ten should be winning these games. If osu was in the cfp, every team gets bumped up one spot, psu plays usc, Wisconsin plays Washington, etc. The results would be different.
High and tight boo boo
You could say the same about all the Pac12 matchups
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Wouldn't Bama have played USC, maybe?
You know this for a fact that the results would be different? Because tbh, I don’t think they would be. Psu wipes the floor with USC, Wisconsin beats Washington, etc. just because different matchups doesn’t change result. Big 10 just seems to be on a different level than pac 12.
People will always find a way to rag on the B1G. Such is life.
Bowl games don't work like that, for example Sparty finished better than ttun, yet got the shittier bowl. That's an sec excuse, and a bad one at that.
I tend to agree with this. I'm fine w/ admitting that the B10 doesn't have one of the top 4 teams this year-but also has the 5th,6th, and 7th best teams-along w/ Sparty, who are top 15,imo, and NW and Iowa who are both very, very solid.
Perhaps the results would be different, perhaps not. The Pac 12 hasn’t shown much. It’s noy like Big 10 teams are playing trash competition. Miami was ranked 10 and Washington ranked 12.
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Your point has some validity, since the B1G teams would all move up one bowl game. However, the B1G has had that situation before: received tough bowl draws in year's past and been dissed when its teams lost.
They usually are. As already stated many time. Big Ten 6 against somebody else number 3. And 5 against 2. The Big Ten has been elite my entire short life of 44 years.
#walkaway
Completely wrong. There is parity at the top echelon and any team can beat any other. Your reasoning for anticipated losses for Big Ten games due to a revised rack and stack if we were at #4 is flawed for the simple fact that Alabama would have played the same game we just played; USC. That being said; it is more likely that they would have been paired against MERCER instead... Had they played MERCER again I like our team's chances against the next level because I feel that all of our teams played very well this Bowl Season... with perhaps the exception of our very own Buckeyes who could not get the offense going (e.g. barely over 100 yards passing and our RBs averaged just over 3 yards per carry = not our best showing). Had we paired as #4 against Clemson I liked our chances IF our offense showed up - which if failed to do yet again against USC but that's not to say we couldn't beat Clemson we would have needed some luck on our side (like what happened with USC and their giving us several TOs).
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I like our chances against anybody IF our offense shows up because we are objectively the most well rounded, best team in college football when our offense shows up. BUT our offense usually doesn’t show up and It would be even less likely for our offense to show up against the talented Clemson defense.
Our 2017 offense not showing up is generally based off of one thing, can J.T. complete passes consistently enough to stretch the front 7 and keep defensive backs honest.
Clemson student. GO BUCKS!
Amen to that. 100% agreement and as much as I loved JT for his leadership I very much disliked his QB efforts - he compiled a lot of yards and so on but it was not without tons of nail-biting.
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I like Wisconsin over Washington. Northbrook is the real deal.
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not accurate. We had 3 teams in the NY6. No conference had more only the SEC has as many. All the rest of our bowls were on parity and so were our NY6.
Cotton B1G #1 vs Pac #1
Fiesta Big #3 vs Pac #2
Orange Big #2 vs ACC #2
Does he have two Twitter accounts - one for each face?
LOL, great point...So true.
His two facedness is due to allegiance to his boss ESPN/SEC on the one hand and to his alma mater on the other hand. The boss always wins the big public arguments he puts out though because the boss signs his paychecks.
So let me ask this, IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
Kanell has been one that mentions their tendency to prop up the SEC while not giving the same treatment to other conferences.
Where has he said that ESPN brass DIRECTS its employees to be pro SEC. Calling out media bias in general isn't th same thing.
I never claimed it was the same thing. Damn you get jumpy over this. I was just pointing out someone who had made references specifically towards ESPN's tendencies to show favoritism towards SEC strength overall.
Only, he didn't make ANY references specifically about ESPN's "favoritism" towards the SEC. That's why I responded the way I did. See links below for what Kanell was talking about.
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/danny-kanell-goes-ridiculous-anti-sec-twi...
https://247sports.com/ContentGallery/Danny-Kanell-not-satisfied-with-two...
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/danny-kanell-talks-sec-wi...
Dont tweet, kids.
I hate the offseason.
Holy cow I hate Herbstreit. He is one of the most immature, conceited, self-important guys in sports media. His inability to police himself on social media, as a nearly 50 year old adult person should, is pathetic, and the 'look down his nose' superiority toward anyone with whom he disagrees is infantile. I understand that he gets tweeted at by people who have no clue what they're talking about and that he gets accused of playing favorites, but to repeatedly and caustically reply to these people on twitter is just asinine... and the mark of someone who's not too bright. Stay off twitter, dumbass, because you clearly don't have the brainpower to manage it correctly.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Maybe he should delete his Twitter account if he can’t keep from tweeting back. Social media is definitely not for some people...makes them look very silly.
You must be a ton of fun to go out and party with
I'd buy KMP a few rounds.
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Nope. I’m pretty bland. From the school of thought that nothing good happens after 10pm. How’s that for ya? Lol
My bad. Thought that was meant for me.
Hahahaha! I'm an asshole, NCB3, of that there is little doubt, so you're probably right. On the 'fun at a party' spectrum you have Belichick/Saban/Kelly on one end and Kiffin/Carroll/Switzer on the other, and I do fall closer to the Belichick end of that gamut. But in my defense, I'm much older now. I used to be looser... especially relative to the number of 8balls and hookers at the party.
And thanks, NorCal... I'll meet you at Varsity Club next time you're in for a game.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
This picture makes me so happy and I don't understand why...
Let's have a bachelor party with chicks and guns and fire trucks and hookers and drugs and booze!
Have you read most TWATer feeds? Horrible. Are you the one? The legend that I've heard of that writes on TWATer with vetted and accurate posts that are so enlightening that Einstein would pay attention if he were still alive? Nice to meet your acquaintance....
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Excellent post. I wonder if the 8 DVs are twitterholics, or unhinged Herbie worshippers.
Are you sure this is about Herbsreit and not a famous world leader? ;)
I disagree whole heartedly. Didn’t you all learn something with the last presidential election cycle. America, is just sick of this political correctness nonsense. We, the United States elected a president who like him or hate him tells it like it is. Herbie has been brutalized first by Buckeye fans for not standing up for Ohio State more. It was so bad, that he had to leave the Columbus area. I’m sure this wasn’t the only factor into why he moved, the last year he lived in the Columbus suburb, the city he lived in became so fed up with buckeye fan behavior that with the ok of the development he lived in, they had to limit access to the area with 24 hour police presence. The stationed a police officer at the entrance to his development 24/7. Are you serious.
The guy is by far the top college football play by play guy and may be one the best sports analyst in all of sports. An extreme talent to say the least. Desmond Howard in the other hand is such a UM homer, it is just ridiculous. So yeah tell that moron where to go and how to get there. Why is he the guy that has to be the so called adult in the room. It’s time to let em know what’s up
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Herbie gave the BIG some kudos and he gets ripped by both sides. Unbelievable - It is to the point that no one can give arguments or opinions which espouses a particular position without getting called names or have derisive comments made.
If you have a salient point to make against someone’s “opinion” then do so with thought and clarity. If you have to resort to name calling; you have lost!
GO BUCKEYES!!!!
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Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
He’s a bandwagon jumper, which is why he brings this stuff on himself. He has no compass. If he were to just post his opinions, which change as the wind blows, it’d be what it is. But to use it as a forum for his kindergarten-level retorts is just embarrassing himself. It will never help him, and definitely hurts.
C'mon guys... he works for an employer that is in bed with the SEC... His employer is more concerned with indoctrinating its audience with its perception of social justice-- as a result, they are going in the tank financially... Herbie walks a tight line at ESPN--- when you make a lot of money, you have a target on your back... Personally, I love the fact that he put the schrill Desmond in his place... For my money, I will take Herbie--- who's better than him? Desmond? Jesse Palmer? Robert Smith? The LB from Georgia?
i will take Herbie any day -- for his knowledge of college football...
Joey Galloway is better. Joel Klatt is strong, but I haven’t seen enough of him yet. Believe it or not, McElroy is very good, but he hasn’t quite figured out where he wants to be on the spectrum. Last year he was a college football fan. This year, I get the impression he wants to take over for Carrot Top Danielson.
I'll take Joel Klatt and Gus Johnson, please.
And, while I haven't watched any non-Buckeye games on ESPN, I still have a relatively positive impression of Chris Fowler. Wish he could make the jump to Fox.
Plenty on this board alone, have the same ‘knowledge’ of college football.
I don't mind Pollack. He calls it pretty unbiased, except for UGa, his alma mater. They all do that, though.
Who is better? Paul Keels. Gus Johnson. Mack Brown. Charles Davis. Yes, Herbie has to whore his soul for ESPN-that doesn't mean we should respect him for that fact.
Paul > Gus + Joel. Gus replaced Charles as the latter was reassigned to call NFL games.
Sorry, but Mack Brown's voice just grates on me. Gus Johnson rocks however!
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
He reports sports news. Things change from season to season. That's not bandwagoning, that's reporting.
If you look at his original Tweet that started this exchange, he was merely praising the Badgers, their players and the B1G.
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Were you just looking at my Facebook & Twitter feeds?
I don’t do twitter or Facebook- the only twitter or Facebook posts I see are those that are put on 11W as material.
Cheers and Have a Happy New Year!!!!
GO BUCKEYES!!!!!
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"I don’t do twitter or Facebook- the only twitter or Facebook posts I see are those that are put on 11W as material."
This is the correct answer.
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A man after my own heart.
My only problem with what he said is the fact that it looks like it was tweeted by a drunk person. So many caps and exclamations. Why? It discounts what you say.
I read the tweet, but I'm really not sure what he's trying to say.
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Dunno, may be crossing the line here.
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Fuck it. Nevermind.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
yep ... first thing i thought of too. 11:50pm ... plenty of time to have had more than your limit ... leads to bad tweeting!!!
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dO PEOPLE LIKE YOU ALWAYS EXSPUNGE useless conversation as does Kirk Herbstreit, you cannot be a Buckeye fan and not know Kirk was an AP Voter who voted OSU #5 in the poll to help put Red Junkies in CFP....... get your crap together, and KNOW the circumstances "As you say"
I don't care what he says/does. It's his account - if his employers don't care, why should we? My guess is that they like it - brings in viewers and creates 24 hour "news" of sorts
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I thought a tweet didnt mean anything until you add a “100”
#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
Big 10 is clearly the best conference top to bottom. This doesn't mean the committee got it wrong or right necessarily. Top 4 teams could still be the best 4. But top to bottom Big Ten is more competitive.
This rings very true for 2017. This doesn’t mean committee got it wrong. What happened was best result possible. We get to end the season with a good win against a solid team. The rest of the Big Ten got better bowl matchups because we missed playoffs. Imagine if we had made the playoffs and then had to watch our hopeless offense get pasted by Clemson’s D-line. Instead we enter the off-season with momentum and the Big Ten will get kudos for undefeated bowl season (if Harbs takes care of business) and for completely pasting the finest the PAC-12 had to offer.
Totally agreed. With such an anemic offensive output we might be looking at another 31-0-type shellacking and the non-OSU fans would be howling for years (like they did when the Buckeyes got favorable placement for BCS games due to ratings/tickets).
1526
The conference didn't get better matchups because Ohio State was left out of the playoffs. If the Bucks were in, Alabama would have faced USC and Wisconsin/Penn State would have still drawn Miami and Washington.
Herbie you're a clown, get back into bed with the SEC like the rest of eSECpn.
If you read the Tweet in context, he is defending the Big 10. Someone accused him of “bias” for congratulating Wisconsin and the Big 10 on their winning.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
Thank you.....i really had no idea what he was saying
Another thanks from me. On first read I interpreted as supporting B1G. Then I thought it was supporting CFP committee to put Alabama in. Finally I was just confused.
Out of context here but did any one here catch Mcelroy saying Cotton Bowl did not have best Big 10 team. His concluson: PSU was the best. What a hoot.
Yes I did. What a turd.
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He also said it did not have the best Pac-12 team either.
linepilot
Yes, thought the same thing when he said it, then realized he was just trying to pump the game he was announcing. Gotta build that buzz for every game to keep your employer solvent!
He repeatedly said he thought PSU was the best team, and that McSorley was the best QB in the conference (largely due to Baker Mayfield-esque moxie, which is apparently his gold standard).
i did catch that, wasnt sure who said it though, espn has some sucky announcers thats for sure.
actually he said it abotu 3 times
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
Thanks Shawnee, without seeing what he was replying to it makes it more difficult to understand.
Glad he was defending the B1G, because he's right, they do get ripped every year.
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Read on. People say to him that it was a mistake leaving the B10 out, and he’s basically calling them idiots. Herbstreit is an immature clown.
Agreed. And the original context becomes meaningless when you go off the rails and tweet like a childish WR coach.
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7-0 this bowl season..SEC 1-3...bias, or telling the truth!?!? I'd say the proof is in the pudding here
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The way he has been knobbing Penn State lately is vomitous.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
+1 just for the use of "vomitous" ... well played sir!!!
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
+1 for knobbing, too
+1's for all ya'lls accounts.
This post is leasable space for this dude right here BeatTTUN
Thanks! It’s not the most prestigious moment to confess that I am a girl though.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
Doh!
"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams
is Herbie biased??? ...
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
TFW you realize you’re sleeping in the enemie’s camp. Wake up, Herbie. Move to Fox. Improve their shit broadcasts.
OH-IO!
ESPN is creating it Bowl Game Wrapup highlight montage to play on New Years Day, and wondering if anyone will notice they are only showing clips of Mississipi State.
Auburn may represent, as well. Sure hope not...
They can always show the SEC making tackles without mentioning the score.
OH-IO!
The committee disrespected Ohio State's win over Wisconsin as a non-achievement. Had we beaten Miami, we would have been in--it's all about Southern bias
Matt
I think you meant Mercer.
OH-IO!
In all honesty, if you saw any of the selection show, Rece Davis downplayed the entire Buckeye schedule, not giving credit for any quality wins, all while hyping up the Iowa loss. He did acknowledge that the Penn State win was good, then someone on set started talking about the win over Wisky. Now, Wisky was sitting on ESPN’s board as the #6 right over his shoulder, and he summarily dismissed it as not a great win, only to have to walk that ball later in the show. It was ridiculous. And where was Herbie? Off screen, texting Saban his congrats.
How about the graphic they used during the Cotton Bowl to compare OSU and Bama's resumes? Did anyone else notice that they had Bama's record v ranked teams at 3-1 and equal to ours? Did anyone else notice that that statistic is QUITE LITERALLY "fake news?" Alabama ACTUALLY had a record of 2-1 v ranked teams when the selection show aired bc Fresno got beat by Boise and dropped out of the rankings from #25.
So, as the SEC is being forcibly sodomized by everyone during bowl season on national TV, and Ohio State is in the process of embarrassing USC, they panicked and resorted to bold-face lies (and a made-up ESECPN stat called "strength of victory" that probably has 'SEC team' being raised to an exponential power in it's algorithm somehow) to sell a failed and false narrative.
That's where we are, folks. The emperor wears nothing but a cloak of lies.
....and people keep on watching. National Enquire Sports.
i did notice that, obviously espn had a hand in bama getting in over us and ofc theyre going to prop up their own BS
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
He is a schill for the man. I discount the fake SEC sports machine.
Tennessee was ranked #25 in the AP pre-season poll this year ... #25!!!! they went 4-8 (and 0-8 in conference!!!) ... nothing to see here folks ...
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
They've been propping up Tennessee for the past 2-3 seasons. Before that? Arkansas. Before that? A&M
Go look at their narrative, they keep trying to make something out of nothing with the middlings of the SEC.
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yep ... and the bamas and georgias of the sec get to count that as a "quality win" when they beat the puppets. just curious to the people who say there is no sec bias ... when was the last time a B1G team ... or any other non-sec team ... was ranked as high as #23 in week three, and then went WINLESS in their conference?!?!?!?!?!
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
Tennessee will ironically be ranked too next season because they hired a new coach. That's worth 7 wins. Add on the bonus they get from two teams in the playoff and that's 5 more wins.
This post is leasable space for this dude right here BeatTTUN
Absolutely, Elk! Jeremy Pruitt came from Alabama, that pushes it closer to 10 wins.
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Spot on, Scooby. It's the circular logic of SEC "greatness".
They all, basically, play nobody OOC, but because 5 or 6 of the 7 teams in one division are ranked, no matter who wins it, they'll have like 6 wins over ranked teams. Never mind that those other teams ultimately end up largely in the trash heap themselves, the survivor is the king of the toughest division in
boxingfigure skatingcollege football!¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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You think next year is the year of Kentucky then? Narrative could be they would have blown out their game if the ref didn't eject Snell, while interns are in the basement destroying all footage of NW losing players.
This post is leasable space for this dude right here BeatTTUN
South Carolina, provided they win tomorrow, will be the next big thing.
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i also noticed Miss St was ranked 23 durign their bowl game where they squeaked out a win vs unranked loiusville
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
It obviously happens for a number of reasons. First, I highly doubt there are any meetings or formal discussions that directly tell on air personalities to pump one and shit on the other. However, there would be opportunities - all day, every day - to discuss which stories to air and what to leave on the scrap heap, how to present each story, which are going to be one-offs and which will have a multi-day or multi-week story arc, which are going to feed into segments by analysts like Finebaum, whose job it is to pump up the SEC, lead-ins, etc. it also becomes pretty obvious indirectly with who gets chosen for what assignments, etc. Every workplace has rules that are well understood, even if they cannot be explicitly stated. The preferred focus is rewarded by promotions, inclusion, etc., while lack of adherence is shown by telling people to go sit at their desks, and someone will let them know when they’re needed. Pretty standard stuff.
For the last two decades, if any employee wanted to call them out and go elsewhere, what options do you have? They dominate TV, radio, and even local radio coverage. Other networks like One on one sports have come and gone, and Fox never seems to get strong in the national market, only spotty regional coverage so far. The on air personalities know that, and ESPN knows that. That’s why the quality of their product has been in serious decline, yet they still call all the shots because there’s no other game in town.
Come on man, you're reaching here. There are PLENTY of ways to get this type of info out...SI, FOX, regional media outlets, personal blogs, podcasts, etc. All it takes is ONE disgruntled ex employee, of which there are MANY, that talks about his or her experiences working at ESPN and the pro-SEC push they force on employees...but not a peep. We have multiple ex OSU football players who used to work at ESPN...still, not a peep. For all of this talk about ESPN forcing it's employees to be pro-SEC, you don't find it odd that we can't even find ONE person to corroborate these claims of internal bias? Not one.
And everything you described in you first sentence....that has to come from somewhere. If producers are cherry picking what stats to show or what stories to push, that comes from somewhere. You don't find it odd that not ONE person has spoken out on this? Not one. And if people no longer work at said employer, then they aren't bound by the "workplace rules" you speak of.
Some folks are of the opinion that ESPN is in it primarily for the profits. Do profits happen without any discussion about which stories to run with? If so, where would that come from? Or does it just sort of happen? Again, pretty standard stuff.
OK, lets run with this.
ESPN cares about profits. ESPN cares about ROI. So it ESPN cares about profits and ROI, why don't they care about profiting from their investment in the B1G TV rights? If, according to you, there are "discussions" taking place, then why haven't we heard about why ESPN pays the B1G more money than the SEC for the next 6 years, yet still chooses to shit on the brand and potentially lose money on their investments.
Again, who is pushing this? Producers? Where do they get their orders? You're still telling me it's perfectly normal that over the last 10+ years we haven't heard ONE person who worked for ESPN corroborate these claims if forced bias?
You're trying to oversimplify a complex conspiracy.
No, think you’re trying to make a pretty easy concept somewhat complex.
Executive committee establishes a vision for where a company wants to be and where they see their core business.
Senior leadership puts together a strategy for growth in the direction to support the vision and strengthen the brand.
Producers line up talent, guests, content, segments, etc. that support the growth that supports the vision and strengthens the brand.
Directors put together the execution strategy for the individual shows as they are aired to support the vision and strengthen the brand. They choose the stories (time is limited), the pacing, the priority (only one story can be chosen as the ledge - is it the best sports story, or the one that best supports the overall vision?)
On air talent delivers the facts and messaging under the guidance of the directors to support the concepts from the producers to support the vision and strengthen the brand.
The off air support staff...
Everyone employed wants to get the attention of their colleagues and bosses for a job well done, which isn’t about quality work. It’s about hitting on the keys that support whatever it is to get their bosses accolades from their bosses, and get themselves a better payday. Again, every big business is run this way. It’s not unique to ESPN, and it’s not hard.
I mean, do you really think that Dr. Drake or Gene Smith are working on the detailed aspects of how a fake punt gets executed in a game?
That's very well thought out, and I don't disagree. But you're proving my point. Through ALL of that, still, not ONE person has come out and talked about the top down vision of the company to push the pro-SEC/anti-B1G narrative. Not one.
Then if that’s the game we’re going to play:
If ESPN doesn’t do any planning or coordination for what stories to tell and how to tell them, then why have we NEVER seen the “story segment random roulette wheel” for news and live sports coverage? Seems that NOT ONE person has ever shown it, or even verified its existence. wHY NOt?
That's not the same thing at all, and you know it....up until now you've been very logical but that comparison is just absurd. You, and many others, are alleging a top down conspiracy at ESPN with the end game being to ensure the pro-SEC/anti-B1G narrative is pushed at all costs. If that were true, we would have, over the course of the last 10+ years, heard at LEAST one person who has worked for, or has ties to, ESPN corroborate this.
What you're saying just doesn't make any sense. On one hand, you make the correct claim that ESPN(like all media outlets) plans what stories to tell and how to tell them. On the other, keeping in mind that ESPN tells it's staffers what to push(your words), you refuse to believe that this information would ever leak out to anyone outside of the ESPN circle of trust.
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(just messing with you)
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
Non disclosure agreements.
Highly unlikely, but let's say this is the case. We still haven't heard ONE instance of an ex employee confirming any of this. Nothing. We've heard nothing from colleagues of ESPN employees who work at other media outlets hearing whispers about ESPN forcing employees to push a certain product. That's one awfully tight conspiracy.
Smacks of SEC! SEC! which I thought we were all above in the B10.
Even the smartest and nicest dog will bite after being abused. Keeping with animal metaphors, how high is the horse that you ride? :-)
Moved to College Sports.
I'm rarely on Twitter, but I have laughed at suggestions to follow Kirk Herbstreit.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
If I was on the Twitterverse .
I would tweet to Herbie.
I don't know why I'm so afraid of pruppets...
I'm in the camp that he is defending his right to commend the BIG on the Bowl record. Trying not to get caught up in the drama of conference bias. The Buckeyes won their Bowl game, the rest is just dessert since college football won't be on until late August again. That being said, go Gamecocks because I could never cheer for michigan.
"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams
Agree. I don't think he is showing bias, I think he's just cheering as a fan of the sport and giving props to a conference that is 7-0. If it was any other conference I think he would do the same.
This post is leasable space for this dude right here BeatTTUN
He could’ve said it on the set.
Yep. Single Tweet reponse to a troll on his feed.
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He is defending the big 10. Read his feed. He gave Wisconsin and the big 10 props and people said he was biased. He’s saying that he’s giving credit where credit is due because the big 10 is always fighting a stigma that they are weak. He is sticking up for the big 10 here
Go Buckeyes!
You're right of course but people hate him for whatever reason so the mere mention of his name will produce these posts.
linepilot
He’s not. He’s trying to play both sides. He was the most vocal about the ‘courage’ of the committee (ESPN) to ‘do the right thing’ and ignore the conference championship and put Alabama in the playoffs over OSU. He was the biggest cheerleader of Alabama being worthy, ‘because by then they’ll be healthy’ by then (Hamilton and Moses will be out, potentially with others still hobbling). Couple that with the SEC’s bowl performance so far, and it’s becoming the worse case scenario for ESPN’s pro-SEC narrative.
Unless Alabama beats Clemson, ESPN will get backlash for their selections, which Herbie will undoubtedly defend by saying two things: 1. ESPN is only reporting news and has nothing to do with which teams ultimately get selected (bullshit), and 2. He is pro-B1G because he tweeted some stuff after the B1G was already 7-0 in the bowl games. He’s trying to protect his personal brand, nothing more.
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line of SEC love?
I'll take your word for it. No need to follow Herbie
The only Herbie I ever liked was a Volkswagen.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
53 > 4?
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3M for the win. Old school bro!
Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Sultan of the sythe. Give it hell CalPoppy.
Hancock?
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Well, he didn't mean Hocutt.
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Ocho?
Herbstreit does what's best for himself. He's a clown!
Go Bucks!
I still don't have a twitter or facebook account. It was obvious from the start it was dumb.
#walkaway
Unless you're the
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My statement excludes the obvious. Their control over the minions is noted.
#walkaway
I hate when Herbie gets drunk and tweets.
Here's all you need to know about Twitter....Katy fucking Perry has the most followers - 108M.....we are doomed
http://twittercounter.com/pages/100
Orange Whip? Orange Whip? 3 Orange Whips!
Herby is not going to do anything to piss off his bosses. That's what people forget. He chose his career over appeasing fans. I lost all respect for him a long time ago and think he's nothing more than a corporate mouthpiece, but he has a right to protect his job. Doesn't mean we all have to give a shit what he has to say.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
I don't think he used enough exclamation points, or put enough words in ALL CAPS to get his point across.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
I always got to keep Pointing out the Obvious.. FOLLOW the $$. on why Bowl team go where.. and Why playoff Conferences schools got in over others. Disney/ESPiN is Losing Tons of $$ twice this year many layoffs.. over 200+ maybe even 300. Kirk may not be there in a year or so.. bet they Cut him to save a BUCK.. That network not dumb Always Over hype your investments, thats SEC/ACC and Playoffs. SO Disney will Support news Articles or there talking heads that ALWAYS give SEC/ACC or Playoff Picks in Positive light. TROLL anyone's Disagreements as if they are Stupid. HYPE HYPE HYPE.. = $$$$$ eyeballs to watch there Product.. they needed BADLY to Show with a big BOGUS lie that SEC/ACC best in college football so getting three in was BIG OVER HYPE WIN for Disney/ESPiN .. they will cash in next year in Regular season advertising tv commercials $$$$.. don't matter how those Team do.. they got three in.. PERIOD.. ALso ACC/SEC will use it Conference wide to get Recruits in 2019 some this year to hope on aboard .. over BITTEN,BIG12, PAC12..conferences...this is BIG $$ Propaganda technique. Good Manipulation if the Audience Is Ignorant to what they are really doing and Not calling them out on it... by Stop or Not watching Playoffs.. and Not watching ESPiN ... Of Course there Weak defense is to call those calling them out on there Propaganda is to use Old CIA bull crap terms like Conspiracy Theory again hoping Audience is to Dumb to think for themselves and will believe there more Propaganda.. that ESPiN is or won't Ever REALLY do it which they CLEARLY ARE for Financial Benefits...well DAHH they are in Business to make $$$$$.. So again the OBVIOUS I'll point OUT !!!! Follow the $$$ .. and why they making $$$ or need too...
Kirk Herbstreit "THE NEW MARK MAY" and largest anti-Ohio State EX I have ever had the displeasure of listening to, your paycheck speaks as loud as your anti BIG words kirk....you were a suck-ass quarterback, and I view you in the same category as Art Schliester, a thief and a lie, you WERE A BUCKEYE and still you diss on the school that gave you your life as you have it now, I would be happy if ESPN fell off the planet earth, and your pretty wife had to find another to help raise your kids because you became a "HOMELESS LEGEND" A LEGEND IN YOUR OWN MIND TO PUT A CORRUPT ORGANISATION AND PAYCHECK ABOVE WHAT THE TRUTH IS ! On selection day for the CFP, all I heard from you was HOW DAMNED GREAT Alabama was, even in the game against MERCER......... we may have lost against IOWA but at least it was not a freakin Class III school we played, YOU ARE A TWO-FACED JERK.............. AND I PRAY KARMA PAYS YOU A VISIT AND KICKS YOU IN THE BALLS BOY ! MAYBE THEN YOU WILL REALISE NOT TO SELL OUT THE HAND THAT FED YOU ..............JERK OFF
It's one thing to not like the guy, but what you just said was well, umm, freaking crazy. Wow.
The CFP Committee/ESPN clearly have a Southern bias. They have had no consistency, logic or reliability in their history of selections. As a matter of fact they lied this year. You need to watch Joel Klatts video after the playoff selection. He nails it. Bottom line I’ve only watched Big Ten games and don’t plan on watching any of the playoff games. Know quite a few non SEC fans doing the same.
Kieren
Actually there is consistency. They picked the 4 teams with the best resume each and every year thus far. They nailed it 16 out of 16 times.
You can't honestly believe that. Bucks are conference champs. Before the bowl they had two current top ten wins. Both those wins had teams win the Fiesta and Orange. MSU won their bowl as did Army. Bucks went 5-1 against teams that won 10 games or more. Bama's best win so far is against 10 win Fresno State. They have zero top 10 wins and have only two top 25 currently against LSU and MSU. Bama took a loss to AU when Bucks beat scUM and then beat Wisky. Their resume is no where near OSU's regardless of their two losses.
IF ESPN indeed tells its employees to prop up the SEC and shit on the B1G, then why haven't we heard this from ANY of the hundreds of ex ESPN employees, several of which are ex OSU players? You don't think at least ONE person would spill the beans that ESPN brass wants its writers and on air talent to follow the company line?
How many times are you going to copy and paste the same reply in this thread?
Are you just trying to start an ESPN argument with several people?
Ring the f**king bell, you pansy
No, I want a LEGIT question to be answered.
I'd advise not holding your breath.
buckeyes had better wins than anyone this year. the iowa game was a fluke which anyone with eyes can see, nobody dissing clemson for losing to syracuse or alabama for beating nobody at all, watch that bullcrap game if you want, I wont
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
Sorry I'm late. Glorious thread title. Lulz. Happy New Year Herby Twitter Meltz!
So, I’ll have the Club Sandwich and my date will have the Herby Twitter Meltz.
Send the Earth Reverberating
Man, Herbstreit gets flamed by OSU fans when he doesn't talk up the Buckeyes and gives kudos to other teams, and he gets flamed by everyone else when he tries to talk up the Big Ten, a conference which actually did very well in the post season.
What's a dude from Cville gotta do?
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I did find it really disingenuous how ESPN threw up a stat using the USC game making it look like Bama and OSU had identical schedules being like 3-1 verses top 15-20 teams. But OSU had two losses.
Didnt see the Mercer game listed. Or the fact that OSU was beating too 5-10 teams and Bama wasn’t.
The ESPN-SEC narrative is overstated sometimes but real.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
It’s definitely there. My old neighbor was an associate producer for NBA countdown, and he literally said ESPN was the ‘bane of my existence’. All the rumors about how the pay grind their employees and spit them out are true. He gave me the goods on a lot of their ‘personalities’. He said 100% that they try to drive the narratives with their shows. He didn’t work on Gameday, but he did have a lot of interactions with them and especially hearing things from the producers of that show. You can squarely put Fowler, Davis, Vilma, most of the SEC Network team, and Pollack (on the better end of this spectrum) in the ‘best conference’/look test camp. And yes, they do receive direction from higher ups to embrace their ‘network’ and ensure that the product receives ‘their full attention’.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
Really? Funny how this has NEVER come out from a single person who used to work as either a writer or analyst....several of which are ex OSU or B1G players.
Are they still in the business? With Fox or BTN? Why would they raise it if they are? My old neighbor works for SI now, done with production and happier for it. Hit me up if you’re ever in Atlanta, I’ll introduce you and you can hear it first hand. He’s got his Emmy and about 50+ pictures of him on set and in studio with the media members, celebrities, and players.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
Can he do a AMA?
I like that idea. I'm not against changing my opinion on the matter. But I would need to hear solid intel from a legit source.
Lol, he’s a UNC grad so probaly not
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"