Dabo Swinney Negatively Recruited Using Urban Meyer's Age (53) Against Him

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KBonay's picture
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brandonbauer87's picture

Which part is disappointing? The Clemson wins or saying everyone negatively recruits?

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bd2999's picture

Have to imagine the age. I doubt she would argue with OSU lost to Clemson twice and once badly.

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faux_maestro's picture

Probably that Dabo is shit-talking her husband.

P.S. Fuck Dabo AND his stupid name.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Homey1970's picture

Saban 66

‘Bama legacy Daboo 48 (not a miss-spell)

When the 66 year old rides off, who is the name the Tide will be calling?  

Hint: It’s not UFM

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CincyBuck's picture

Bingo.  Dabo and Meyer are, what, 5 years apart?  I think the odds that (1) Saban retires and Dabo takes over at 'Bama are much higher than (2) Meyer retiring over the next few years.

TBH, this is more enlightening about Carman than it is Dabo.  If he actually bought this line of reasoning, he's an idiot.  We already know Dabo isn't exactly overflowing with integrity.

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MDBuckeye23's picture

Agreed 1000%. Carman seems like a total tool. I would have said that even if he chose Ohio State. From his turd hair to his not cheering when attending Ohio State games and "distancing himself from other recruits" to his even making mention of this to the media. I bet Dabo's first piece of coaching is "hey big guy, now that I got your dumb ass locked in, how bout you do us all a favor and keep your fucking mouth shut, now go to sleep in our douche bag sleep rooms, or I will put you to sleep" 

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CLEbuckNUT's picture

Greatest comment of the day. 

“Turd hair”

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

P.S. Fuck Dabo AND his stupid name. 

Shandy is not beer

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Buckloving's picture

You can be childish all you want. You're definitely on the right sight. Ole Dabo is 2-0 against Urban. Sounds to me like he knows what he's talking about. If you're going to throw the whole team under the bus for one kid you have to be able to take some hits

bobbyd

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G.'s picture

Billy Chrissy Swinney

G.

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

Still fuck Dabo and his stupid fucking name. I guess it was from his younger brother not being able to pronounce "William" and calling him "Dat boi", or "Dabo" for short. 

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G.'s picture

Sounds like a made up story in case people don't like his self determined nickname..

G.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

are you serious clark?

I Hate Michigan.

 

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SilverState's picture

Also Shelley Meyer (obviously, she's talking about the negative recruiting, just thought kind of funny):

"Year for what?"

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kmp10's picture

Yeah, Swinney, long before this thread, was my most hated coach in college football. He's classless, at least as it pertains to Ohio State, and those aren't my hurt feelings talking, but his comments have been less than gracious by any unbiased standard. Having said all of that, Meyer (and his wife, who's vocal and who seems to love the media attention) has presented like a short(ish) timer since his days at Florida. Most of us on here have opined that Meyer isn't long for this job (or any other coaching job) because he burns so bright that he simply cannot maintain his pace. That's the perception out there, imo. Saban? He's perceived as a grinder who will continue on for the foreseeable future despite his advanced age. Meyer just does not present like that, at least to me. I think negative recruiting does happen, although it seems that Franklin is the only one in the B1G who's doing it, especially in the SEC and/or the south. I believe it was just a few hours ago that I read on here where Meyer was asked if he sees himself coaching at 65, and he "quickly" replied "no"... before saying "maybe". This is Meyer... it just feels like he always has one foot partially out the door. That's fine. I'm not knocking him at all for it. It's his life and career... but that perception does lend itself to being used against him in recruiting. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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ibuck's picture

 This is Meyer... it just feels like he always has one foot partially out the door. That's fine. I'm not knocking him at all for it. It's his life and career... but that perception does lend itself to being used against him in recruiting. 

OK, but remember, this is Ohio State, where all the non-interim coaches over the last 67 years are—or will be—in the College Football Hall of Fame. (As opposed to say, TTUN). What will happen to johnny-come-lately Clemson when Swinney is no longer there?

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stxbuck's picture

The difference between Saban and Meyer is that Saban is simply a phenomenal Xs and Os team builder. He's like an elite contractor who knows what he needs to get the job done to his satisfaction-and doesn't really care what everyone else thinks about his building materials as long as he knows they are of the highest quality, and what he needs to be the best. It's the same w/ Bill Belcihick. Meyer, otoh, has a very corporate marketing approach-it's not about knowing you make the best product, it's about selling your product better than anyone else out there and convincing the world that your product is the best-even if you know, deep down, your top competition is just as good or better-it's all about the selling. That is a much more stressful approach.

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CowCat's picture

I respectfully disagree. Meyer's success in winning and recruiting speak for themselves.

We have been in the title hunt every year since Meyer arrived. The NCAA ban and a few key losses have held us back. But that's college football. Only 1 team out of 129 teams gets to win. Only 4 out of 129 make the playoffs. It's not like the NFL where 8-8 teams have made the playoffs.

Saban is a great coach, but Alabama has capitalized on a weak SEC for years. Meyer has a better career winning percentage than Saban.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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stxbuck's picture

I'm not saying Urban isn't one of the best in the country at his job, just that his fundamental approach to maintaining success is different than Saban or Belichick. A lot of fans on here drink the recruiting kool-aid Meyer sells for the program-"How could any DL or DB even fathom making it to the NFL if they aren't coached by Johnson or Coombs!!!" "Real life Wednesdays are so revolutionary and will guarantee you success in life in a way a degree from USC or NW never could!!" "Read option is the only way!!!!". Guess what-that's just Urban's particular strategy for maximizing the legacy and advantages of tOSU. He does a great job of this, but he is not necessarily the football savant that Saban or Belichick is.

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Eph97's picture

No one was calling Saban a football savant while at MSU and the Dolphins, places where he couldn't hoard all the talent. Once he starts coaching in the lawless $EC he became a geniu$.

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Buckloving's picture

Saban doesn't have have a unexplainable attachment to a kid either. He'll pull a QB with no problem. He's proven it more than once

bobbyd

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Qujo's picture

what? One foot out the door? I must have missed every press conference and his recruiting schedule to understand he has a foot out the door. because Dabo said so makes UFM have a foot our the door? What? you agree with Dabo? Where are your facts... You are resonating with negative recruiters and with the stupid... you know the people who wanted Gene Smith fired, the people that wanted Luke Fickell fired, and it appears to set up that Meyer isn't on board with OSU? Sad Sad Sad faux fans everywhere. Oh and that little hit piece about Shelley Meyer.... Unless she is tweeting you personally I see very little "Vocalness" about Shelley than yours. And from what I understand... not one person is calling you a retard, just that there are dogs on the street that have more smarts than you. Many loath incompetent idiotic opinions without facts and sans legitimate details, not me I enjoy the fact that there are people out there that actually post moronic things and I can get a good laugh out of it. .No one is knocking you at all, it's your life and choice to say Pee Wee Herman type of things... but that perception does lend itself to being used against you. Merry Christmas Tinkerbell!

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NoMad Buck's picture

Per UM: “I’m used to the negative. I don’t agree with it. The one thing you won’t hear Ohio State do is go in and talk about someone else’s program. I wasn’t aware that was going on because I don’t read social media stuff. I was made aware by our staff, and Larry asked if I was OK if he did that. Larry is part of our staff,  and he will be for many years.”

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741's picture

Shelly Meyer is a treasure.

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DP71's picture

I have never heard any confirmation from anyone that Coach Meyer or any member of his staff negatively recruited.  And certainly, with Saban being 66 and Sweeney as his very likely replacement when he retires from Alabama, that bit of negative recruiting was certainly available in this situation.

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JAGSTYLE's picture

When the kid tried to have a twitter war with Herbie, I knew he was looking for attention outside of Ohio.  So be it.  Good luck on the dirt road son

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stxbuck's picture

Shelley Meyer is a "spinner' ......lol.......................

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mockjocks's picture

I want to be fair, but totally clear - even if it's not popular. Age is a secondary factor, not the primary.
Ohio State recruits as well as anyone in the country. Top 5 without question.
Ohio State is an elite program in every facet you want to focus on, plain and simple.
Ohio State’s 2018 class was, is, and will continue to be an elite class - regardless of the flips

BUT - losing Cox, Jones, Carman, and (maybe) Wooodbey to late flips (I know Carman never committed) to other schools is a loss, period. Urban says it best - “ if they’re keeping score, we want to win.”
No, it’s not the end of the world. Yes, we’ll be fine (great, even) with the guys who we have coming, but this is a loss, it’s a waste of typing trying to deny it.

We’ll be fine, but we need to take this L for what it is. We got clipped for our top guys, and dammit it’s ok to be mad - cuz it sucks. Urban has never lost an Ohio guy rated this high since he’s been at Ohio State. It counts. Not gonna kill us, but it counts.

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InJTweMust's picture

Um, wasn't Tommy Kramer a top tier tackle a couple years ago? Believe he starts for Notre Dame right now.

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c11058's picture

There is no doubt that Carman would've been a good addition to the Buckeyes O line of the future.  However, it's a team game and Carman will only be as good as his surrounding cast, whether at Climzin or OSU.  

I remember all of the angst when R Gary went Blue.  He's a good individual player for their D, but as we all know, they're still looking for a "W" against a team with a winning record in 2017.  

I can't believe I'm quoting Aristotle but the "whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"

Let's move on from this Jackson Carman kid and acknowledge the studs who chose to play for the Buckeyes!

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Kraemer was a big miss but we never really had a shot with him.  He committed to ND 2 years before enrolling (Oct. 4th 2014) and never wavered.  

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awlinBrutus's picture

2 tackles that year to ND.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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TBDBITL DAD's picture

Both tackles attended Catholic HS's. Religion can out weigh a lot of things.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Kraemer and Liam Eichenberg, the 2 top tackles in Ohio.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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mockjocks's picture

I almost forgot about this, but after thinking about it yes - I remember it well, now.

Carman is the top rated tackle in the country - not just Ohio. Just stings more because he the best in the country AND from Ohio to boot.

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I've Got Laurinaitis and Feel Great's picture

Very well said.  It's okay to be mad... it is a loss, but damnit we are THE Ohio State University... we bleed scarlet and gray and we want our recruits to feel the same.  I can count countless players who came in underrated but had drive and heart, and ultimately prevailed! 

Shit Happens Bum Juice

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KBonay's picture

Now we know how Texas felt the last couple years.

Which, by the way, you can add Cook to that list above. 

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mockjocks's picture

Realest statement of the day, KB

Texas has been plundered and pillaged for a few years (until this year). Had to be nauseating to Texas schools.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Except that Texas was in the middle of sucking. Not hard to imagine why guys wouldn't want to go to a middling Big 12 school mired in a down turn. OSU is in no such place. These guys had a chance to play for a legend of the game at one of the premier programs in the country alongside maybe the greatest class every assembled in the midst of a tremendous run.

We missed on arguably the 3 biggest recruits - top OL, top DL and QB.

The only thing that could be worse is being a Michigan fan. Wow, that must suck.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

I get your point but we really don't know how Texas feels the last couple of years.....thank goodness:

Texas 12-13 Ohio State 22-4

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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D56GoBucks's picture

Very well said. To be disappointed with the ending of this class is not to say that the staff failed, or that we're going be in trouble in a couple years. But losing that much talent in rapid succession, especially two guys that were already committed and one that is an Ohio kid and a top-10 recruit, is a loss. Period. Much like this football season has been, it's a great reminder of just how great it is to be a Buckeye. We're sitting here disappointed about how a top 3 class finished up.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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buckeyeinWI's picture

meh...

I get your point, but I respectfully disagree.

I want players who want to be BUCKEYES! Not all of them do. they get lured to go elsewhere by this or that...

did you notice none of OHIO STATE signees today made a 'big deal' of it.  At least I didn't notice any 'hat dances' today...

I can do w/o the drama that seems to be around some of these kids (Jackson, Jones, and Parsons). Hopefully they have productive careers at their respective school of choice.

there are plenty of unsigned players out there who will continue to make OHIO STATE football great!

sorry for the ramble...

GO BUCKEYES!

beat SC!

15-1 is SWEET!

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mockjocks's picture

Totally fair WI, +1

I didn't think my opinion would be very popular. I want players who want to be Buckeyes, too. But I don't think what I'm hearing form Dabo was ruthless, either. 

We lost the top guy in state. It's noteworthy, whether we need him or not. It still happened.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

I'm not saying it doesn't disappoint, because it does, and it did happen, just like losing to Clemson last year.  I got over it, and I will get over J. Carmen going somewhere not named OHIO STATE.  But I'm not going to get to wrapped up into kids who don't want to play for our beloved BUCKEYES!  Meyer n' crew will still land a top class when the Feb. signing period ends.

GO BUCKEYES!

beat SC!

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stxbuck's picture

If you are going to criticize Meyer or complain about him 'whiffing' on Carman or whatever, you had best start criticizing Josh Proctor for leaving Oklahoma for Columbus. He had the same mindset as Carman-he wanted to leave home, which, coincidentally, was also ground zero for one of the Top 5 programs currently in college football.

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kmp10's picture

This is a really good point, Stx. Honestly, I hadn't even considered looking at it from that perspective. I've been very outspoken on here for months about my dislike for Carman's personality, and have repeatedly said how I'd personally prefer that he go elsewhere... but what I want relative to Carman doesn't necessarily align with what's best for the program, so all day I've been a bit conflicted about the loss of the state's top player. It's a bad thing when Ohio State loses Ohio's top rated player, no matter how much of an asshole I personally find that player to be. Bottom line... this OSU class, as of this moment, is still the top rated class in the country, and while the finish has been less than stellar for the third year in a row (losing two 5 stars, and a probable third tonight, and a high 4 star in the past ten days is bad no matter how much spin we put on it) the 2018 class, in all likelihood, will be top 3 come February. I get the disappointment people are feeling though. When you've led the race the entire way and then on the last lap someone passes you and you finish second, well, that's unfortunate. Here's some good news... Bill Greene said today on 97.1 that Ohio State has the clear-cut best class in the B1G, that PSU, at 4, built a very good class, and that *ichigan, at 12, has a good class, but that there is a "significant" difference in talent between PSU at 4 and TTUN at 12... which means there's a super significant difference between OSU at 1 and TTUN at 12. It always feels good to best that team up north. Always.

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stxbuck's picture

Amen to that. scUM recruiting is a level back from tOSU, and, at least this year, a tad behind PSU as well. FWIW, the kid PSU got who I think will really be a stud is Jesse Luketa, the LB/DE from Erie. Explosive and well coached and already a 6'3 250 frame.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Well, yeah, we all "want players who want to be Buckeyes." But with all due respect, that's what coaches always say when recruiting hasn't gone well, or when it's ended on a very down note. The key is talking the very best players into wanting to be Buckeyes. There are thousands of high school players in Ohio who want to be Buckeyes, but it isn't going to happen.

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another-navy-buckeye's picture

Of course we want every in-state player to pick Ohio State, but just because you grow up in the state of Ohio, and maybe even grow up rooting for the Buckeyes doesn't mean you're going to be a good fit for the school. I would rather have players that choose tOSU because they're all In. This kid obviously was not. I love my state, and I love the Buckeyes, but that wasn't always the case. I had to grow up first LOL

Blessed to be a Buckeye

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Qujo's picture

there will be blood on the field...

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

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tcm1968's picture

It was kind of weird end to the process. Schiano was gone and then back and word that LJ was close to retiring spread around everywhere late in the process. Both guys are back but that had to hurt on some level.

Also always important to remember these flips are late to us.... Coach Meyer and the staff could have known these were coming for weeks/months and already moved on behind the scenes..

Does make you wonder though... A number of experts said we had a numbers problem and Culver even went to VaTech because we told him to wait. Unless there's some late rush we clearly didn't end up with numbers problem so they must have thought some of these guys who were thought to be flipping late were still going to sign with Ohio State.. We saved some spots that went unused. 

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Not going to disagree but it cuts both ways.  Only the likes of OSU, Bama, Clemson, etc can recruit nationally and be in the running for literally anyone they want.  Therefore, while we will get our fair share of 4 & 5 star kids from TX, CA, FL, GA, every once in a while we will lose one of our own.  Personally, I'm happy with a top 5 class every year and don't take the rankings too seriously as many of the most celebrated 5 star kids don't pan out (depending on your definition of "pan out" i believe it's around 25-30% don't live up to the hype on the field, transfer, get injured, etc)

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mockjocks's picture

I agree with you. It's actually probably more noteworthy that Urban is just now losing out on the top rated player out of Ohio. Took 6 years for it to happen.

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Angry Panda's picture

To me there is no "but"....This is a great top 5 class.....end of story....no qualifier, no buts, no what if's....It's an incredible class. Talking about the guys who aren't signing, regardless of circumstances or hype, is not concerning to me. 

If this was a 15th ranked class or 4th best class in the BIG then i'm with ya and there may be a systemic recruiting problem...as is....I'm good...and I imagine a couple guys we don't know about will be added in February.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

This was the runaway #1 class for over a year. Forgive me if I'm not psyched that it's now a top 5 class. Bama has been Bama for this run because they recruit better than anyone else. The difference between great classes and legendary classes ends up being the difference between being national champs and playing USC in the Cotton Bowl.

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Angry Panda's picture

I dunno....I think the 2013 class turned out alright and this years class currently has a higher per player average and overall grade.

My point is people are crying over spilled milk and i just don't see any reason to to claim Urban and this staff has lost their recruiting chops. 

Much like the NFL Draft, we won't really know how good the class is/was for a couple years, This could very well be a legendary class it's not like the talent isn't there. 

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Northern Nevada Buck's picture

It's still #2 and it will be #1 once the DE out of Cleveland commits and they take an OT to replace Carman.

Too funny. 

"Give your dream an aspiration date."

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saintstephen11's picture

Excellent post.  You succinctly posted what many of us were thinking. We had a shot to have a legendary class and it looked like we would in September, but then the season happened and the wheels came off the bus a little. Still a great class, just disappointed at the finish.

If you are looking for an analogy, we were 100 meters from an Olympic gold and shattering the world record in the 1500 and then ran out of gas and finished with a bronze.  Should we be happy with an Olympic medal? certainly. Did we blow our chance at a world record? yep.  

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stxbuck's picture

"Legendary" class-so what. Is it good enough to win NCs w/ the correct input from the staff-I think so. That is all you can realistically ask for. One bad decision late night by a recruit or one tweaked hammy or 85 XL pizzas can totally flip the trajectory of a recruit's career-and theoretical impact of the #1 class vs. the #3 class or whatever.

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Buck911's picture

So what... Look at who we did get, and not who we didn't get.

We will not sign a lot of kids, we wish we could, and if you consider it to be a "loss", so be it, I think of it more like a failed third down conversion, yeah a loss, but no big deal. Easy come, easy go, he was never all in anyway.

Nobody wants a player on their team who doesn't really want to be there, they can be toxic.

We have a GREAT group of young men headed our way, that really want to be here. The future is bright at The Ohio State University, and will be for years to come.

Congrats to all who chose The Ohio State University.

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ibuck's picture

*he was never all in anyway. . . . Nobody wants a player on their team who doesn't really want to be there, they can be toxic. . . . We have a GREAT group of young men headed our way, that really want to be here. 

Yep. I prefer the high character, "want to be here" guys who are all in, want to learn and get better, and "fight to the end" over guys who may be prima donnas with questionable work ethics.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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bafiesta's picture

Great post mocks. We can be disappointed about not landing what could have been a legendary class without bashing the teenagers who made a major live decision to attend a different university. 

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Three players. That’s what this is. Maybe they will be great. Maybe not. But this is still an amazing recruiting class. On paper it’s one of the best in Ohio State history. Let’s try to remember that. Ohio State didn’t lose today. Ohio State won today. 

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Sorry, just not gonna get worked up about choices 17 year old kids make when we have a top tier program and recruiting classes routinely in the top 5 year after year.  Too many other things to worry about and life is too short.  We'll be fine.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Flacky's picture

Say it with me now: Fuck Clemson! Fuck Dabo!

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Chic'sGhost's picture

I can't stand the guy.  He's one of those people who you know is someone different in private. He plays the affable Southerners who, shucks, would just be a great guy to have a beer with. I see right through it and can't stand him.  I saw him in an interview speaking up the greatness of the slide they have in their facility. 

What a phony.  

Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

Ive been saying that for awhile. He’s almost creep level fake with his public approach but has shown just enough to really get a feel for how he probably is privately.

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stxbuck's picture

Jesus had a word for people like Dabo-pharisees.

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

My hatred for a man named Dabo is growing and growing.

The Future is Bright at Ohio State

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Oh.a.Shoe's picture

Dabo is dead to me. It's William Swinney now.

"Ohio fullbacks should stay in Ohio and play at Ohio State." - Earle Bruce

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buckeyeinWI's picture

F Dabo...

F Clemson...

GO BUCKEYES!

beat SC!

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Belliott's picture

If OSU isn’t pushing Dabo to bama on the recruiting trail for the next few years...

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LTWilliams's picture

By Dabo logic I'm in throes of middle age at age 30. 

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Hell even coaches out there saying Larry Johnson is old and going to retire.. he's still younger than Saban as well.  

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KidfromAK's picture

And Urban has been more relevant and a better coach for more than a decade don't think age affects your ability to coach like it does playing but hey clemson logic

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Looks like I have to cheer for Georgia or Oklahoma to win it all. Fucking southern teams. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Carpet baggers, the entire lot of them. 

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45has2's picture

Carpet baggers were northerners that went south after the Civil War to profit from reconstruction.

Censores irrumasti.

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

I think Oklahoma would be the best to root for.  UGA winning it all would make it extremely hard to pluck the top talent out of that state for a few years at least.  UGA is probably going to have the #1 recruiting class this year, and already have 3 of the top 8 overall recruits committed for the '19 class and are favorites for Owen Pappoe which would give them 4 in the early top 8.  And there's another 11 recruits in the state of Georgia for that class that are still uncommitted and ranked in the top 100.   

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jamesrbrown322's picture

UGA is probably going to have the #1 recruiting class this year, and already have 3 of the top 8 overall recruits committed for the '19 class and are favorites for Owen Pappoe which would give them 4 in the early top 8.

At a minimum, they add Cox and Mays. Bucks lose Woodbey. That alone puts UGA #1, even if they add no one else. Bama's streak is finally ending, but dammit, did it have to be ANOTHER Bama guy at an SEC school that ended it!?!?!?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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stxbuck's picture

Georgia has homecourt advantage in the top recruiting state in the nation. It is what it is.

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Bucks19's picture

Georgia is in the south. 

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Grand Lake Celina's picture

Well, lets hope Urban takes this as a true competitor would and skull fucks him the next time the two teams play.  That might put a bit of pep into my step.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Holy shit, what did he have to say about Saban, who's a good 10 years Urban's senior? 

He must have referred to Bill Snyder as dead. 

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ControltheGlassdoor's picture

All's fair in love and recruiting. Right, wrong, or indifferent - don't ever forget that.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Maybe, but some of us believe in character and integrity. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right. 

Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019

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ControltheGlassdoor's picture

Agreed. Like I said earlier, right, wrong, or indifferent...

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

If this doesn't light a fire under Urbans ass I don't know what will. Whats sad is at one time I liked Dabo now hes just became a little yappy bitch that runs off at the mouth. I change my mind I Hope Bama Blows Clemson out.

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741's picture

Light a fire to do what, will himself younger? If you are questioning his motivation or effort you are not paying attention.

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Brutus865's picture

Only Carmen would buy into this. 21 other top ranked recruits didn't.

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Exactly. He chose Clemson-- end of story. Throwing Dabo under the bus is his way of trying to weasel out of some of the responsibility in his choice.

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I know USC did not say it but I hope Meyer absolutely takes it out on the Trojans...to prove they were the 4th team and that Dabo is full of shit

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Barfolomew's picture

Did people expect more integrity from a team known for jamming their fingers in opponents buttholes?

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Doug James's picture

And Dabo said it was no big deal.

DJ

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Solid move not going with a gif on this excellent comment Barf.

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Nutinpa's picture

What did it say about the team that stood by and took it?

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Symbolic47's picture

Dabo is a douche. This shouldn't surprise anyone. This says more about Carman than Dabo imo

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

This is on Meyer. Negative recruiting happens and the coach must be ready for it. You only have to tell a recruit ... "Any coach that tells you something about me that worries you ... You come and ask me, and I'll tell you if it's a lie or not. You want to play for a coach who lies to you?"

This is on Meyer for not being aware and fighting that nonsense. 

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D56GoBucks's picture

I'm trying to do the mental gymnastics required to get on the level of this comment. So it's ultimately on Urban for not being aware of what Dabo was saying to a recruit in their own visits? The only way Urban could ever have known about those comments is if Carman decided to share them with Urban, to which you don't think he would have responded strongly? Also, if those comments by Dabo had any impact whatsoever on Carman's decision, it's probably safe to assume he wasn't ever going to be a Buckeye anyways.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

No gymnastics needed. I didn't say Meyer needed to know the specifics of any lie told about him. That's why he should beat any lie to the punch and tell recruits ... "Cool, you're going to go visit other schools? No prob. But if you hear anything negative said about me, I'd like you to give me the chance to be open with you and respond."

It's also very easy for Meyer to make general comments to any recruit ... about how nice it is to be in Columbus and how you look forward to being the head coach for at least the next 10 years. You can beat the lie to the punch. The kid then hears Dabo say Meyer is at the end ... the kid knows Meyer said he'd be there for 10 years ... the kid knows Dabo is lying and possibly signs with the Buckeyes. 

This isn't that hard to get. And any coach with Meyer's prowess and standing with a team should be aware of the negative recruiting angles. 

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Too bad you weren't there to mentor Urban on the whole recruiting thing, since he doesn't know what he doing.

Clearly, the loss of Carman falls entirely on you.

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Insults are fun, but I'm actually trying to be constructive. Meyer is no doubt an excellent recruiter. But he should also be more aware of the games that are played. Negative recruiting isn't new. So why didn't Meyer or the staff head the negative stuff off at the pass? It took 2 weeks for the team to officially release a statement saying Larry Johnson was not retiring. Meanwhile, top DE recruit, Cox, de-committed. Why did the statement take so long to come out? Why didn't Cox already know Johnson wasn't going anywhere ... just like Carmen should have been informed Meyer isn't going anywhere. Seems like an easy solution. 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

these comments are off base. Im sure if meyers age or johnsons potential retirement came up, they were talked about. More than likely these were made by the schools to the recruits and never brought to osu’s attention. Meyer is 53. What 53 year old college coach prepping for a huge bowl while completing a recruiting cycle would think to himself “i better take a preempitive stand with recruits in regards to my age”?

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InJTweMust's picture

Guy is only 53 years old. Of all the ammo Dabo had to use against Urban, age was probably the furthest thing from his mind. I mean, it's not like Dabo is Lincoln Riley's age.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I would think, "I've kicked his ass twice and Clemson's playing for championships, they're not" would have been a strong enough argument.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

This is on Meyer.

Technically it's on his parents. If they hadn't conceived so soon he wouldn't be 53 right now.

Shandy is not beer

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stxbuck's picture

Well, maybe Meyer knows he might only be here 3 more years or what not. Basing your entire career/retirement trajectory on 'telling the truth' to one recruit is just an idiotic scenario. If you have $$$ in the bank and want to escape the stress, making promises to 18 year olds is pretty irrelevant.

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steve-OH's picture

I no longer buy the "good guy" pitches we hear about these coaches (before this came out obviously). Hugh Freeze talked a big christian game and everybody lauded praise his way about what a great man of integrity he was. Ain't buying the Dabo "good guy pitch" either.

The "Aww shucks" style is a front. 

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Doug James's picture

Dabo claims to be Christian but he said the Clemson players grabbing opposing players crotches was no big deal.    

DJ

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InJTweMust's picture

If he wants to buy what Forrest Gump is selling, have at it.

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merinobuck's picture

This kid’s lust for attention won’t be missed in Ohio.  Future got even brighter in Columbus today!  Well done Coach Meyer.

Beat SC!!

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joebuckeye5's picture

Remember when Dabo was fun and quirky?  Then he gets the taste of a little success and now he's an a-hole.  Success does indeed change people.

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

Like Red Sox fans. Years of depression and self-deprecating humor, then they win a World Series and suddenly they're the greatest team in the history of baseball and not even the Yankees come close. Power corrupts, as they say.

I aim to misbehave.

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Dmac3212's picture

Any true Sox fan is negative down to his/her core.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Dabo seems to be a pompous asshole these days. I guess the days of sleeping with his mom in the same bed and his humble roots are long forgotten 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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youra6's picture

I hope Bama shits on Clemson in the CFP. 

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Wesleyburgess1's picture

Me too but they won't. Bama isn't the same as they used to be.

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martin anderson's picture

And if they do it just adds legitimacy to the committee picking Bama over OSU

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Seattleosufan's picture

I think he means Meyer’s health issues rather than his age. 

And let’s be honest here. Lots of people here on this very forum think Meyer retires in the next couple of years. It’s a lame recruiting approach by Clemson but as a previous poster above said it’s more on Carman for  using it as an excuse. He was never coming to OSU. 

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Lots of people here on this very forum think Meyer retires in the next couple of years. It’s a lame recruiting approach by Clemson but as a previous poster above said it’s more on Carman for  using it as an excuse. He was never coming to OSU.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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OSU725's picture

Bum juice, time to move on!!!

Go Bucks, stomp USC!!

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Saying Meyer is almost done coaching is crazy IMO. Furthermore, 53 is still pretty damn young for a successful, multi-championship-winning head coach. However, I'll take the unpopular stance of arguing that Meyer's history is indicative of a guy who doesn't like to be in one place too long. Therefore, it's not that far fetched to argue that he's on the "back end" of his OSU coaching tenure.

But, let's be real - how the hell would Dabo know if Meyer was close to done?!?! That's ridiculous. Carman was looking for a reason, any reason, to go anywhere but OSU. Obviously, he found at least one.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Doesnt like to be in one place, or continued to rise due to his success.

If it's the former, I have a team member in an entry level role who is retirement age. He must be doing it better than the younger guy that he reports to who's been promoted 4 times.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Even if Meyer coaches the next 12 years in Columbus and wins multiple conference and national championships, t he way things ended at UF will sadly haunt him (for some people) for the rest of his career.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Seattleosufan's picture

Btw, this is the player Dabo gets. A kid that will be a great player but will start stuff with his mouth.

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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avail31678's picture

This.  Think about it - Dabo's brand new super recruit just ratted him out. 

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swflbuckeye1's picture

never thought Id see the day I would say this....But roll damn tide! I hope Saban drops 60 on that snake!

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

You know - the more I am exposed to Dabo, the more he appears to be a complete douche nozzle!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Cooper's picture

I’m not saying for Ohio State to negatively recruit Clemson’s head coach and how much time he has left, but I heard inbreeding reduces your lifespan...

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Well, Saban is 66, and I'd expect that either the NFL or Bama comes calling for Dabo within the next 2-3 years.
 

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Cooper's picture

I tried to make a funny and I failed. 

In all seriousness, I don’t see Dabo going anywhere else but Bama or Clemson. I actually think he will try to stay at Clemson for a long time.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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funky123's picture

I want guys that are true Buckeyes. Obviously Carman was not.

GO BUCKS!!!

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Buctor's picture

Dabo also promised Carmen he could pick the starting above each week.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

I'm curious how this one ends up.  High profile athletes that want to avoid high expectations typically don't live up to the hype.  Not wishing ill on him, but pointing out that great athletes typically don't become great while avoiding expectations or pressure.  

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

I agree. He's obviously a great talent, but the commitment to excellence that is required for him to be a great player seems to be in question.

I saw someone make a Seantrel Henderson comparison that seems like it might fit for him.

"Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect." -- Woody Hayes

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Jamie Lannister's picture

How’s he avoiding high expectations? He’s going to Clemson lol. You know the reigning national champion and favorite to win it all again. The kid doesn’t like OSU, so be it. Best of luck to him 

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KidfromAK's picture

at clemson he is just another dude on the team in cbus he'd always be the top Ohio dude on the team the spotlight would be on him, that's how he is avoiding expectations and players that do just don't have that fight to compete in them typically

Running back not Blocking back

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Jamie Lannister's picture

Man what? Just another dude? So you’re telling me the number 1 OT in America is just another dude? Or are you telling me that the spotlight wouldn’t be on him playing for reigning national champion and number 1 team in the country? Hilarious lol 

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KidfromAK's picture

His entire recruitment he talked about the pressure and attention on him by FANS when he would visit OSU and how it was assumed he was going to OSU, he was spotlighted by us fans here was never spotlighted like that by clemson hence just another dude referring to the obsessive fans who tweet at guys and basically harass recruits especially in state ones that is the spotlight I am referring to.

Running back not Blocking back

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Spotlight? He's a tackle. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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MichiBuck12's picture

For one, he has said repeatedly that he wants to go somewhere that he won't feel as much pressure. And he has complained about people expecting him to be a Buckeye the whole time. One way or another, he has rebelled against expectations in some fashion every step of the way. He wants all the attention, but he complains every time that attention comes with expectations.

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

He said it himself.  "I don't feel like there's as much pressure on me at Clemson."

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

Take it for what you will but it just seems that we get the locks and miss on nearly all the toss ups.  What’s the last big toss up that we’ve gotten? I’m genuinely curious because I don’t follow the recruiting trail super close.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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NObuck-I-inTEAM's picture

Idk if it's the most recent but Vonn Bell definitely wasn't a lock.

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stxbuck's picture

Getting Josh Proctor out of Oklahoma is kinda mind-blowing.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

So Jackson Carman must know something that the other 20 kids who committed to Ohio State didn't?  C'mon... This kid is mentally weak to allow someone talk him out of committing to a great school, especially given how black and white the scenario is.

Unreal.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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EMoThaGr8's picture

Everybody negative recruits (yes, even Ohio State)

and

Still, weird to see Dabo take that route

How is it weird, if everybody does it? 

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

He is 2-0 against Meyer and 31-0'd him out of the playoffs and is the reigning national champion. At least leave that pettiness to a surrogate like a wide receivers coach.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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EMoThaGr8's picture

The Buckeye behind enemy lines...

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JCM's picture

I guess Dabo forgot about WWJD...

(eyeroll)

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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JarheadBuck's picture

Just an excuse.  Dabo did nothing wrong.  If a kid really took any stock in a 48 year old saying a 53 year old was over the hill, then good for Clemson (and I feel sorry for Carman).

We've gotten battered in recruiting the last couple weeks.  We'll still book a top class.  However, we have real holes to fill at OT and DE and could use some more DB help too.

#firstworldproblems

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Jamie Lannister's picture

Fellas I know it sucks, but guess what? Recruiting is a dirty game. This is the same Urban Meyer who lied to recruits and told them they were recruiting Tebow to play LB.. And while I think Urban still has plenty in the tank, are Dabo’s comments really that far off? This is by no means a complaint, because life could be much worse (glad I’m not a Volunteer or Scarlet Knight). But Urban has left A LOT of meat on the bone over the last threee years.. 2015 season was a blunder and total mismanagement, getting blown out by Clemson, the JT Barrett conundrum, losing to Iowa, missing the CFB playoff and etc.. Just a lot of bad buzz for the Buckeyes recently Its not the truth in the comments that has people buzzing over the comments, it’s the narrative that’s being painted. 

Yes we’re sending guys to the NFL and not only that, they’re turning into stars at the next level.. But if I’m a recruit or even a coach recruiting against Meyer how can I overlook that you had Mike Thomas, Zeke, Decker, Bosa, Apple and etc and manage to field a clunky and inefficient offense? How do you manage to get completely dominated on CFBs biggest stage with a plethora of 4 and 5 star guys? 

I think we’re fine, but hey when you make these types of mistakes at a program like Ohio State, EVERYONE is keeping notes and this is what happens as a result 

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NorthBerg's picture

The truth or at least hints of the truth hurt at times. Ohio State has honestly not been a CFP caliber team in performance the last two seasons. Recruiting rankings say Ohio State is elite. Actual performance state other wise. Can argument be made that UFM while not necessarily "old", is on the downhill side of being able to develop talent?

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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Steelydan54's picture

What the hell s going on with all these “roll tide” comments. Are you really gonna let one teenage kids decision to sign at a low class school and coach instead of Ohio State make u forget the last few weeks and how Saban managed to steal a playoff spot from us? (Whether we really deserved it or not).  This kid was never gonna be a Buckeye, and if any of you really want to see Bama beat Clemson after today I have questions about your Buckeye “bona fides” as well. “Remember who the real enemy is.”

Steelybuck54

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Eph97's picture

LOL feels like Star Wars or something...everyone assumed the villain was Franklin but the shocking reveal when Dabo steps out of the shadows. So Dabo was the one talking about LJ and Urban's age to all the recruits?

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thedewman10's picture

BS....If he believed that I have a bridge to sell him. What a crock way to flat out lie about why you went elsewhere. Git gone already.

TheDewMan10

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

The simple fact that we were in the running for these kids and had a real legitimate shot at pulling them in and finishing with the highest recruiting score in history, should speak volumes to where this program is.  No other team in the B1G can say that.  Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia can't say that.  Heck even the SEC's crown jewel in Alabama can't say that.  All playoff teams.  Perspective shouldn't be lost just because we missed out on some higher regarded recruits.. We're still going to end up with a pretty great class. 

“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.” 

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GoBucksForever's picture

I really don't get this move by Dabo. Jackson could have easily picked up the phone and asked Urban himself. I would think "I'm undefeated against Urban" would work better on a kid than prophesying a coaches retirement. Plus, Urban doesn't have an upward move from here unless he goes to the NFL. The odds of Dabo going to Bama in Carman's tenure at Clemson are much greater than Urban retiring IMO. Its a big loss for OSU and big get for Clemson, but Jackson Carman just reeks of prima donna. I won't lose sleep over this, and will be happy to cheer for any 3 or 4 star guy who wants to be here and comes ready to work hard every day, over someone who just ratted out his new coach. 

Because I couldn't go for 3

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Barnsey69's picture

We'll see how he feels when Dabo takes the Bama job in a year or two...

Go Bucks! 

Thank the Maker that I was born in Ohio, cradle of coaches, US Presidents, confederate-stomping Generals, and home of The Ohio State University Football Buckeyes- 2014 UNDISPUTED National Champions!

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I'm sure Swinney doesn't know what the hell he's talking about here, and has no information one way or the other. I'm also wondering if he's forced to tell recruits (i.e. lie)  that he won't be interested in the Alabama job when that comes open, as there's a good chance it will during Carman's time at Clemson.

But let's be honest: the notion that Urban isn't going to die on the sideline but will want a relatively early retirement instead is speculation I've seen on 11W a great many times.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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KBonay's picture

Is it just me?  Or does that dude have some big, fucking ears?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Well he was the inspiration behind the phrase "pin your ears back"...

Shandy is not beer

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MindSurfr's picture

If dabo is saying urban (53) is on his tail end of coaching, what position does he take on his offensive line coach robbie caldwell (63) who will do the actual coaching of carman? Coach stud is 50?

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

I really don't like the vibe I'm getting from these comments. Even without Carman, Parsons, Jones, Cox, etc., we are still poised to have this year's top-ranked recruiting class... and that's not enough? Do you honestly expect to get every 5-star we pursue? And because one kid who's been hearing how great he is for years decides to head elsewhere because Dabo Swinney suggested that Urban Meyer is long in the tooth, we're suddenly going to focus, not on the unprecedented success we've had these past several years, but on the notion that the success we've had isn't successful enough?! We need to enjoy this while it lasts, people. Because it will NOT last forever.

I aim to misbehave.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

we are still poised to have this year's top-ranked recruiting class...

Unfortunately that title will remain in the SEC. UGA is going to add a minimum of two more 5 stars. The Bucks are going to lose one tonight, and there aren't any left with legitimate interest in the Buckeyes. In fairness to people who are disappointed, it looked for quite a while like the Bucks were going to land the #1 class easily. It was going to be historically good. However, when it's all over, this will still be a top 3 class, but one without guys who were very highly ratted and committed or considered heavy Buckeye leans at several key positions -
5* - Cox, Cook, Woodbey, Parsons, and Carman
4* - Jones, Oweh, and Chatfield

Imagine keeping/landing even half of that group, especially the DEs. So, you can understand why it's a bit disappointing. Both expectation and entitlement (unfortunately) go hand in hand with success.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

Fine, top 3. Who cares? 99% of other teams would kill to have what we have. We act so damned spoiled that these guys go elsewhere. Well, good riddance and good luck to the lot of them! The ones who stay will be in contention for the playoffs on an annual basis, at least until Meyer retires. After that, this fanbase is going to implode because we've had it so good for so long that we don't know what taking a step back even looks like, let alone feels like. 2011 was an aberration, easily dismissed because it was only one year with an interim coach. I'm not hoping for it, but a few years of Outback and Pinstripe Bowls might be the only way we get some damned perspective again.

I aim to misbehave.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I'm not arguing that your grander point isn't accurate. I'm just saying that hype led many people to believe that this was a slam dunk #1 class. But the revival at UGA and OSU's subsequent disappointments on the field really slowed their momentum. It's still a very good class, one for which quite literally all but 2 other programs would trade theirs. However, it's like going into a movie expecting it to be a once in a lifetime experience, and instead it's really, really good, maybe even great, just not as good as you'd expected.

We've all learned a minimum of 4 things -
1. In addition to not believing what they say, we can longer even believe what a recruit does.
2. No one is "signed, sealed, and delivered" until they're literally signed, sealed, and delivered, no matter what insiders/experts say.
3. Ignore the Crystal Balls. They're absolutely meaningless.
4. Urban still is one helluva recruiter.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Matt M.'s picture

Ohio kid chooses Clemson and Dabo over coming to Ohio State? Good riddance, I say. Not much more I hate worse than an Ohio football guy who doesn’t grow up bleeding scarlet.

His heart wouldn’t have been in it. Good luck at a program that is still trying to understand the whole “act like you’ve been there before” thing — because they’ll be irrelevant again before you know it.

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cdub4's picture

Not sure about the last one. I also got more important things to worry about than having 17 year old kids I never met, Ohioans or not. Especially with all of the OOS recruiting this program does.

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Matt M.'s picture

Nice to see my statement being taken so literal as to picture me sitting around at the house hating 17 year old kids. You really understood the point I was making by pegging me as such a cruel Grinch. Also, I must have missed the part where I said “Cdub4” hates Ohio guys that don’t grow up bleeding scarlet, because what you actually do with your time matters to me.

Notice I said “Ohio guys” twice now and made no mention of hating teenagers, although many of them can be a pain in the ass and need to be called out on their shenanigans, if we’re all being perfectly honest.

Hell, my 7 year old doesn’t get babied as much as some of you try to baby these 4 and 5 star athletes. Let’s try to be a little more rational when recruits are being discussed, especially when a lot of them already think they walk on water. It’s getting old.

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cdub4's picture

Obviously I am biased, but I feel my post come across as more rational than your two posts, especially your first post. Just sayin'.

How is one supposed to take your post if not literally?

I follow recruiting, but at the end of the day, I am not going got lose sleep if an Ohio prospect goes out of state or hates Ohio, or snow, or Columbus. It's his life, not mine.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Even before beating OSU twice I never had any respect for Dabo. This just reinforces it.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Go ahead and downvote this, but Dabo say anything that was wrong? Urban's been head coach for how many years? 10-15 years? You guys really think he's going to coach another 10-15 years? Because everything I've read suggests he's not going to be around that long.

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Octobersownlibra's picture

Nick Saban is still coaching....lol I don't know what you have been reading but it's wrong....and urban is still a top 2 coach in cfb ...cmon now

Ryan Day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I'm just going by what Urban's actually said about his career longetivity. I would bet that he's not coaching into his 60's. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. And Urban probably acts older than some people in their 60's. I love the guy (frat brother), but he's  a serious dude.

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Octobersownlibra's picture

Well I mean .....if the coach of a program like Clemson and Pennstate have to negative recruit to recruit a player from Ohio state.....on think urban doing a good job (also considering that Dabo is literally undefeated vs urban and still had to negative recruit just to get a recruit away from ohiostate)

Ryan Day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time.

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

I think the only interesting question here is: why did it work? I would argue that since the departure of Herman the overall trajectory of the program is slightly downward. Yes, that's downward from the peak of winning the NC in 2014, and it's not like winning the B1G and playing another conference champ in an NY6 bowl is much of a low point, but most talented team in CFB playing poorly on offense and missing out on CFP because of one close loss -> talented but flawed team playing exceptionally well on defense but poorly on offense making the CFP and getting blown out -> talented but flawed team playing unpredictably both on offense and defense and missing the CFP because of two losses is a downward trajectory. And the coaching staff has gotten older. Yes Schiano and Wilson are SUPPOSED to be very good and are obviously very experienced, but the team got worse after losing Herman and then worse again after losing Fickell. At the same time Clemson is ascending with NC runner up -> NC -> seeded #1 in CFP. And yes, Saban is much older than Meyer, but he has proven that he can repeatedly recover from down swings to win NCs again.

So yes, outside of Alabama and Clemson pretty much every other program is still looking up at OSU, but this feels like an inflection point. Does OSU recover to Alabama/Clemson level, or does it slip down to the level of Bob Stoops' Oklahoma? I think this is not at all about players and entirely about the coaching staff, starting with Meyer. The staff as a whole has to get younger and more flexible. The offense struggled because it became too predictable, and even with certified genius KW at its helm this year Meyer's outdated fingerprints were all over it. OSU's defense got completely embarrassed by Iowa of all teams because the staff didn't prepare it for Iowa's scheme and failed to develop the players' fundamental skills to where they could slow down Iowa by simply playing sound defense from base packages.

I know there about CFP 120 fan bases that would kill to switch places with us, and this would sound incredibly spoiled to them. But it doesn't make it any less painful to watch OSU get passed by Clemson while slowly, but steadily losing ground. No one on OSU's roster next year will have been around for the 2014 NC, which will be 4 years removed. If OSU fails to make the CFP again, 2014 will start looking more like punching above its weight than a reasonable annual expectation, the way it is at Clemson and Bama.

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Jamie Lannister's picture

Couldn’t have said it better.. Yes we’re still an elite program but one has to wonder considering what’s taken place over the last 3 years.. We’ll definitely know more; was JT this bad or was Urban this bad.. Remains to be seen 

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Thanks JL!

I would argue JT setting the ceiling - if that's what it was - is still a shortcoming by Urban. There are only about 3-4 games a season that have any business being competitive for OSU, given the giant talent gap with most opponents. It doesn't matter what kind of stats JT runs up in the other games, because the season comes down to those few. And if JT doesn't give you the best chance to win, then you're hurting the team (not to mention the fans) by being stubborn.

I'm betting it's not simply JT though. I'm betting if Urban turned the playbook over to KW last January and got out of his way, we wouldn't have seen the problems we saw. Maybe KW would have picked JT, maybe Haskins or Burrow, but we wouldn't see the offense we saw against Oklahoma. And we wouldn't have gotten to see the 4th or 5th INT by JT against Iowa because Haskins would have been in after the 3rd INT, handing off to Dobbins/Webber 2/3 of the time and hitting 10+ yard passes 1/3 of the time.

And what we saw from the defense this year concerns me even more. Meyer replaces Fickell with an NFL castoff who happens to be his buddy, and all of a sudden LBs give up 100+ passing yards to TEs in multiple games. Overall the defense seemed to be entirely predicated on getting to the QB within 3 seconds while rushing 4, and every time a team could negate that SCHEMATICALLY, not with exceptional OL play, the defense struggled. That is 100% a coaching failure.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

TL;DR

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Blackcoffee's picture

Oh sheesh,and no disrespect but its obviously gonna sound that way, but what a load of hogwash, good evening

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

"It's a great class! 72-8! What more do you want?!" is a perfectly reasonable position, but which part of what I said, exactly, is "hogwash"?

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KidfromAK's picture

Sounds like you want the team to be undefeated in season and play in the NC game every year which is totally realistic if we lived in a  video game world but guess what we don’t get realistic man and yeah it still stings losing to Clemson but Carman never wanted to put on the scarlet in grey to begin with. So take a break this isn’t doomsday of Ohio State  R-E-L-A-X and realize these are 18-22 year old kids just trying to figure life out they’re not pros they’re kids. 

Running back not Blocking back

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2morrow's picture

You are right WildBear. You only get so many shots at the NC and you can't afford to blow them. 2015 was a big blown opportunity. With our offense, we should have never been in the playoffs in the first place last year.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

I'm suspicious of the Clemson program in general. I'm basing this on absolutely nothing concrete, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a major scandal heading their way in the next few years -- it's just always eyebrow-raising when a formerly middle-of-the-road program becomes an absolute juggernaut in a brief period of time. Their success is probably owed simply to the fact that Dabo is an elite coach (albeit a pretty corny and unlikable one), but you have to wonder if there are other factors at play.

Either way, they'll likely fade back into middling status when Dabo inevitably takes the Bama job in 2020 or so.

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Bucksfan's picture

Easy for Urbz to turn the tables here:

"You know, Dabo is likely going to be the next head coach of the Chargers within the next 2 years.  Are you sure you want to go all in with that guy?"

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Berg2004's picture

We still have a great class but it’s simple to me. We have underperformed on the field the last 3 years and the recruits take notice. The underperforming 2015 hurt, the 2016 Playoff shutout hurt, and getting our asses handed to us by Oklahoma and Iowa really hurt. Why go to Ohio State and lose in big games when you can go somewhere else and win them?

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

And yet, we still have the top recruiting class in the country. Agree that we've underperformed, but I'm not sure it's been that much of a negative on the recruiting trail as a whole.

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buckeyenut74's picture

A wise man once said, “you don’t commit to a coach, you commit to the program”. I hope carman listened to that advice because you never know how long Dirty Dabo will be at Clemson. 

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Shockersmad's picture

I hate clemsux as bad as i hate ScUm and those whiney Gators. Lets put this in perspective Urban once said that Clemsux has one of the best campuses in the country. So to lose a kid to them is understandable. Im not upset like some of you and dont see this as a loss. When he publicity called out JT i was done with him and i know he a kid but we dont need guys that thrash teammates or future teammates publicly. Dabo love him or hate him has the same rockstar view to these recruits as Meyer did years ago. We have been trashed by teams lately and to get back that status we going to have to trash Clemsux in the near future. I believe he negative recuited saying Meyer getting old and lost it and look at these blowout losses osu has been in. I think Urban turns it around next year I believe in day and wilson. It was just to much to ask them to improve a Jt Barrett that regress because of bad coaching. Clemsux will make the playoff next year and I'll reiterate we neeed to trash them and I believe we will. You heard it hear first!!!!! That fake ass Spurrier wanna be

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mmit's picture

Meyer is high mileage, which is unfair to him.  He's younger than Harbaugh (who is considered a relative newbie to the college head coaching ranks), he's much younger than B. Kelly at ND, he's almost a south of the mason-dixon line generation younger than Saban, but because he's coached in so many games, so many high profile games, he gets unfairly viewed as a senior citizen.  

O-H

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Reminder #165 that Dabo's "aw, shucks" family values preacher shtick is totally FOS. He's one of the sleaziest dudes in a business that is full of used car salesmen.

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martin anderson's picture

If Carmen can't understand that 53-48 only = 5 he may struggle to learn the playbook at the collegiate level

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BeatTTUN's picture

F Dabo 

Roll mfing Tide

Go Buckeyes 

Beat Michigan 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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steveinkc's picture

I have doubts that Dabo really said that about Meyer but regardless, I'm not upset about not getting Carman. I think he has trouble written all over him! Start with his comment about who should be the QB at OSU! That was really out of line and he should shut his piehole when you know nothing at age 18!!

Secondly, all these can't miss superstar seniors who have only played against other kids, don't always turn into the superstars everyone thinks they will!! Lots of potential but haven't proved anything yet!!

let's concentrate on who we have, not who we don't have!!!

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thedewman10's picture

So clemson wins 1 game and has 2 NC (1 claimed--LOL) and they get the big heads. LOL

Now THATS funny

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Ol' Dabo wins again.....but.....Bama knocks them out of the playoffs.....pencil it in now......Dabo will need to buy his team a pallet of kleenex.....

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Urbanbuck's picture

Maybe Meyer ought to take his own advice and get fired up about this guy so next time we meet we're prepared and hand him his ass.

Wahoo! Wahoo! Rip, Zip, Bazoo! I Yell. I Yell. For O.S.U.

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elitesmithie's picture

Bet ole Dabo is thrilled his new recruit threw him under the bus on day 1. Also, I bet this had about zero to do with him not coming here. He is just immature and blamed something Dabo said. Yea yea, he's only 18....

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keato's picture

I say we concentrate on the kids coming in and remember what comes around goes around!!!

Keato

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erniefurgler's picture

This would be a more accurate recruiting tactic against Saban. And really in this day & age, I would say Urbs is as likely to still be your coach in four years than about anyone else in the country

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Great recruiting class for the Bucks. Let's hope the #1 ranking and other highly ranked classes of recent years past can lead to winning big games and titles. After all, isn't winning the biggest games and titles the POINT of getting all this top talent? 

Go Bucks

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buckeyewalt's picture

OK, we lose out on Carman maybe one or two others, we'll still end up with a great class and possibly the best. You want to go to a school that you are passionate about and it seems like he wasn't all that giddy about going to tOSU. Possibly his loss but that what he chose and well so be it.  It's not the stars but how they develop...ask AJ! 

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Hova9Strong's picture

First Dabo is a tool. Phony Christian cut in the Saban mold (not the good one). Absolutely believe he neg recruited the kid. But the kids mindset is what's in play here. Go to OSU, compete for starting job immediately. OR Clemson, 3 deep full of Sophs, Jrs and Grs. Does he want to play now? Also, someone suggested he might want to go to a more winning program, than why not solid commit to Tigers, Tide from start then? Don't know his heart, but if he wanted to play early, OSU was the call. Hands down. 

Meyer has flipped the switch on the prog. First years he grinded to get SEC competitive talent on the 2 deep. After '13, he has the talent, but many don't have the fire (see Worley/Webb/Prince/Dunn). Which is what made the '13/'14 teams so good, they had a mix of blue chip talent and 3/4 star grinders who couldn't dream of NFL, had to play for now. I think his mindset about Jones, Carmen is that he wants guys who wants to compete from DAY ONE (see Dobbins). Look at how much more critical he is of certain players work ethic now (Knox) Who if he would have grinded like he did this season, would have been a starter long ago. He wants guys who will push Victor, Bowen, Prince, Haskins, etc. because he knows that the greatest competition teams like Alabama face is in practice, which keeps their edge, year after year.

UFM has said it a few times, they've missed on a few guys they thought would be sure fire producers. Main reason they're not in CFP. Alabama (and now Clemson) can afford to miss. UFM is trying to get roster there. Good luck Carmen, you weren't the right fit.

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Grisle's picture

Clemson has been in the playoffs the last 3 years, the champ game the last 2 years, and won it last year. But yeah, Dabo doesn't want kids that are hungry and want to win. How is it that Clemson and Bama can afford to miss but tOSU can't? Are you saying Meyer's evaluations have been so bad that we have a bunch of prima donna's on the team that only care about making to the NFL? Seriously, this entire post and most of this thread just reeks of sour grapes.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Definitely don't think that Dabo's players don't work hard or want to win, but I think there's something seriously wrong with the culture at that program. And I'm basing that mostly on the fact that Clemson's defenders were literally, repeatedly, sexually assaulting Curtis Samuel throughout last year's Fiesta Bowl. I'm aware that all kinds of dirty shit goes down in the trenches, but the stuff that got caught on video in that game was beyond the pale.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

^^Why the fuck would anyone downvote this? There's a problem with reminding people that Clemson players were grabbing Samuel's balls and trying to stick fingers up his ass throughout the game? 

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ddilley2000's picture

We need "All Hands on Deck" to sign (not dance with) 4-5 high caliber OLs next year...and the following..
and the following.and so on. If a "Juice" Scruggs type wants to part of the program, you take him and live with a miss somewhere else. The philosophy of we're gonna screw around with some dude (and there were multiple this year) that is searching for reason to not be part the program you move forward. It's like working for a corporation, you don't put so many or all of your eggs in one basket. Now, once again, there's gotta be a scramble AND spin to get something to fill this continual lack of OL depth. S**t sign 6..7..8..lineman next year. We need it

PumpHandleSlam

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sharks's picture

This doesn't bother me. First, it could be true: see Mrs. Meyer's comments cited much earlier on. Second: all's fair in love and war. Swinney gets paid millions to produce results, if he has to fudge or speculate to get guys to buy in, then that's what it takes. We bag on Bert for crying about Urban's tactics right before running down south and doing the same things, but he did what he had to do. Fans don't care how the sausage is made, the end product is what counts.

A man got to have a code...

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DP71's picture

The more I hear about and from young Mr. Carman, the happier I am that he chose Clemson.  We do not need prima donnas on this team and we will be fine without him.  Our three OL recruits from last year are going to be stars and we have some great OL talent returning.  We also have a great OL Coach, two more great OL committed today and the possibility of adding one or two more OL by January.  I am glad Carman is not part of our future.  If Carman was concerned about Meyer leaving or retiring, why did he not ask?  and, most importantly to me, and probably other Buckeyes, what 17 or 18 year old HS Senior would ever question J. T.  Barrett or Urban Meyer.  Carman is the only one I know of.  Good riddance.   

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apack614's picture

I didn’t like this kid the second after I saw his tweets post-OU. Causing locker room problems before you’re even in the locker room isn't the impression I’d want to see as a coach. The worst part about all of this is they just railed our asses out 31-0 so we can’t even pull the “scoreboard!” Comment to save pride. Let’s just hope we get the chance to redeem ourselves in the near future. Fuck Dabo

Earle for MOD in 16', it'll be the last best thing to ever happen to him.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Funny - and I feel dirty for saying this - but I hope Urban kicks the ever living shit out of Dumbo, er Dabo....

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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stxbuck's picture

Agreed-Urban is going to have to look in the mirror and ask himself what he needs to do as a football coach-NOT a recruiter-to beat Clemson on the field.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Fuck Jackson Carmen. He will forever be mentioned with names like Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard and trey Dupriest as a trader. As for Dabo, if this does not inspire Urban to turn back the clock next year and coach the way that got him known, then I don't know what it will take.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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stxbuck's picture

Couple of takes about this

A-Carman was looking for an excuse to throw to the media for why he made his decision-not that he needed to justify it in any way-it's the choice he had as a recruit w/ offers from literally coast to coast. He didn't want to flat out say 'I liked Clemson's vibe better and it's where I feel like spending the next 3-4 years, end of story. He had to find "something" to tell the media justify his decision beyond his own personal preference, and this, somewhat bizarrely, is what he came up with. 

B-Urban has a very corporate, businesslike mentality. It didn't click w/ Carman, and the lure of going to tOSU wasn't enough of a draw on it's own. 85% of Ohio kids would sign w/ tOSU given the opportunity even if Spongebob Squarepants was coach. The other 15% aren't necessarily anti-tOSU but they need to be recruited. Some of those you win, some of those you lose. I'm sure Max Wray was contacted plenty by Clemson-but he obviously wasn't very interested in what they had to sell.

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DP71's picture

I hope that Alabama crushes Clemson and then gets blown out by Oklahoma.  Would be nice to see the Buckeyes leap over both schools in the final ranking.  And, I cannot wait until the 2018 season.  No prima donnas, but lots of talent and character.

The icing on the cake would be if Saban retires and Sweeney replaces him - leaving Mr. Carman stuck at Clemson without either Meyer or Sweeney. 

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allbucksallthetime's picture

I just prefer to celebrate the young men who did sen their paperwork in today.  Every young man, whether from Ohio or not, isn't going to be a Buckeye.  Let's appreciate those who do and be happy for what we have going on in Columbus.  Go Bucks!

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AlwayzABuckeye614's picture

Its like a lot of people, including this article are  OK with the fact that Dabo told Carmen this because Dabo has beaten Meyer. But me, im like WTF, so in order to get your recruit, you stoop this low and say something that is not true? That pisses me off and it should others as well. I can stand DABO's punk ass even more now. 

Just because Dabo is 2-0 vs Meyer doesnt make it OK to say this dumb shit. 

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Homey1970's picture

I figured out what the draw was. 

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Mmw93420's picture

Couple thoughts:

(1) This is one of the best recruiting classes in Ohio State history...from a potential perspective.  Couple late switches should not alter an A grade for the class and the coachs’ recruiting.  And, the class is not done.  I believe they can fill out the remaining spots strong at the next signing period.

(2) I see three parts to Urban’s success — (a) bring in talent, (b) then mold them to the culture and develop needed skills, and (c) use them for best results on the field.  I’m sure Carman will be a solid player in college and likely beyond.  But, I’ve doubted he’s a good cultural fit.  Seems to me the Clemson culture is a better fit for him.  

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James Varney's picture

I think Homey has it exactly right: I'm much more upset/bothered by losing to Clemson twice in the last few years than I am by an OT, even a really good one, signing with Dabo. Who knows, maybe Jackson will turn out to be like Munoz's son, who looked like a surefire huge stud from Ohio (and whose HOF father wanted him to go to either Ohio State or Southern Cal, I believe) and was a starter but never a great star at Tennessee. There will be other recruiting battles. Will there be another Ohio State v. Clemson playoff? Will we ever avenge that disgraceful embarrassment? Is anyone else at Eleven Warriors concerned that if it *was* us against Clemson on Jan. 1 it might be something like it was a year ago, given the way our offense performs? Indeed, it seems to me the collection of other players that turned away from Ohio State is worse than Dabo's steal (although I know we lost an Ohio kid). Win on the field, all this will be forgotten.

Beat Michigan!

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OSUNut's picture

Has everyone forgotten the class is not finished.  We are still in the running for at least two top 100 players.  This is not over

OSUNut

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Hockinghillsbilly's picture

I'm glad the wine I'm drinking now wasn't made with all the sour grapes I've seen here !

Go Bucks ! 

Beat SC !

Hockinghillsbilly

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Nutinpa's picture

Recruiting, like politics, is a dirty business.  I can only imagine what Swinney said is similar to what many other coaches say routinely about Meyer, considering how long he has been here already. 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Sucks that an Ohio kid wants to go elsewhere, but if he hasn't bought in, and isn't committed to what you offer, then you just don't want him on the roster period.

Agree that Swinney's Aw Shucks Gomer Pyle persona has grown thin. Hope to see a Tom Rinaldi piece in the future exposing the graft and corruption spearheaded by the Hillbilly Mafia Don of Clemson.   

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Fairfield (OH) five-star 2018 offensive tackle Jackson Carman shocked the recruiting world Wednesday when he chose Clemson over Ohio State.

It seems that it would be easier for an OL to go to a school other than OSU so you don't have to face the OSU DL every day in practice. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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mbarnhead16's picture

LOL  have you happened to see Clemson's DL the past few years?

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slobberknocker's picture

Swinney is nothing but a big piece of dog $h!t.   F him and his school.   And F carmen also.   I wish the kid all the best, "BREAK A LEG."   The Buckeyes are better off with nobody than with your sorry @$$.   His name will be remembered.   

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mbarnhead16's picture

No real problem with "negative recruiting" if other schools want to do it.  Carman snitching on his new coach is a major red flag IMO.  Still got Davis and Myers along with Jones and Wray.  Not too worried about OL depth.

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Buck68's picture

IF i 'wanted this to happen'... i would 'have' ...a sense of foreboding.

So much of the present plethora of feelings... are "full of sound & fury, signifying nothing."

While the boy-men approaching The Arena of 12/29... 'go for us'... 'come what may'.

Which... will.

And the ones who think they stand, MUST 'take heed'... lest they fall.

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Buck68's picture

The descent from the mountaintop is... precipitous.

While 'staying on top' is...

a unity overcoming... diversity.

12/29... watershed day.

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KBonay's picture

This is funny

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Sevenandcounting's picture

Good luck to the kid, I hope it works out but I know Ohio and a lot of people will resent the decision. Either he doesn't pan out and he was the over hyped loser that didn't amount to anything or he's a superstar and he's a traitor (Charles Woodson-that was 24 years ago and people still think of it today). I wouldn't want a kid that thinks like this on the team for one second. Say it doesn't work out down at Clemson, tell him Cincinnati probably has a spot. If you are not locked in 100% then there isn't a place for you because there are 100 guys that would kill for that. And I'm the teammate I know who I want next to me. 

Because I couldn't go for three...

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Crumb's picture

My Dad saw this as he was telling me how good the Buckeyes day was going. He asked 'Why would a kid from Fairfield, wanna go to Clemson?' And just so ya'll know my Dad was born and raised in Tennessee, moved to Ohio when he was in his early 20's. He's a Buckeye cause he always says Ohio has been better to him than Tennessee ever was. And in his Tennessee accent he asks me; "Who is Day-bo Swhiney?" I tell him he coaches Clemson. My Dad asks why he's calling Meyer old, when Urban is 53? When I shrug, he says, 'that ain't old, he don't know what old is.' I love my Dad, so glad he came Ohio and raised me a Buckeye, and not to do bush league crap like Day-bo and his butthole grabbing players do. 

P.S. Clemson's coach is forever Day-bo to me now. 

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

Every coach has dirt, some more than others. Shelly Meyer tweeting this is disappointing, 55-24 was VERY disappointing.

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Qujo's picture

Dabo went four fingers deep. It is a southern thing i hear.

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

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