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Sheridanclan11's picture

We will not make the playoffs. The committee will say we don't pass the eye test and that we didn't play well enough to overcome the Iowa loss. The committee won't say that we would get destroyed by Clemson and that Alabama has a better shot to make the game competitive. 

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Macke777's picture

This isn’t the same Clemson team and it isn’t the same Buckeye team. Bryant isn’t Watson and our lines are BAD ASS this year. On our best night, we beat them bad. We saw our worst night last year. I don’t think we’ll see a repeat either way the committee rolls. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!!

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Doesn't matter how bad ass our line is it was bad ass tonight receivers open and jt bum ass still couldn't hit our receivers dude was like 11 for 25 with all the time in the world. Clemson is better than us long as we have jt starting

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JCam061588's picture

Just ignore the drops & the fumble & the penalties. Lol!

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

He s right..if we can't throw the ball downfield, and stress a defense to keep em honest, to wide open receivers, a top level defense will be licking it's chops. Sorry, but JT cant hit the broad side of a barn when the opportunity is there.

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Macke777's picture

Passing and J.T. were not the biggest problems in the Clemson game. We didn’t run the ball because Weber got a case of fumblitis. That was the biggest problem. We went all in on the pass and that played to Clemson’s strengths, not ours. The team got flustered, lost their confidence, and one mistake piled on top of another. We are not and SHOULD NOT BE a pass first team, even with a great NFL quality QB. Balance is key to Championship offenses. I think the bigger issue right now is that J.T. keeps it on the option too much, especially with a bum knee. Defenses try to bait him into keeping it, instead of handing off. I think our offense can use that tendency against them to break some big RB runs, regardless of which team we play against. Also, we have the Trump card of Haskins if push comes to shove. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!

Ohio State: The best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

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Macke777's picture

It does matter. Our offensive line was one of our bigger flaws last year, especially after Jordan went down in the Clemson game. They were getting pressure on us with just the front four rushing and that allowed them to spy J.T. and have 5-6 defenders in pass coverage. Basically, nothing went right for us in that game. Call it bad luck, faulty execution, poor game planning, or whatever else, but it was not all on J.T. and the WRs.

This year, our two lines are our biggest strengths. We have Dobbins and Weber to pound the rock, as well as the toughest SoB in all of college football leading the way in J.T. Barrett. In case you were too young, Ohio State won the NC in 2002 with a hell of a lot less. In fact, I’d argue that J.T. is a more talented version of Krenzel and our current offensive line is a major step up from 2002 as well. Oh well. Let’s kick the everloving shit out of whichever team the community gives to us and bring the fire next year. Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!

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Chic'sGhost's picture

On the 2nd, Herbstriet says Ohio State. On the 3rd, just before the announcement, Herby says he changed his mind and it should be Bama. Then, at the announcement, he "acts" like he is super surprised, but it looked phony to me. 

I think he found out it was Bama and changed to suck up and make himself look smarter. 

Awfully fake surprise. 

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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CincyOSU's picture

He explained his thinking. He said before watching the Wisc game, he thought we SHOULD get in. After watching the game, he said he didn't feel we were a top 4 team, but that he thought we WOULD get in over Bama based on the selection criteria. He didn't act surprised because he was mad, he was surprised that the committee actually picked Bama.

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BuckeyesRwright15's picture

bama vs Clemson would be awesome.
Clemson vs us would be an ass whooping ala last year. What I just witness was our 59-0 game we couldve had but lost it because our 5th year starter is Brown water trash that sits on the gas station bathroom for 4 days and is finally found by a trucker trying to get a BJ through a glory hole (analogy spot on). Just as the Oklahoma game and the Clemson game and the Iowa game. He isn't a good QB defend him if you want but I'm done with him. I don't want to be embarrassed again with him as our QB. Nope will not

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BuckeyesRwright15's picture

If you we're honest with yourself you'll come to the same generalizations about this QB as I have he's shit shitty shit. I'm going to be taken a break from this board just as I did last year before we got blown our by Clemson which I predicted. I even made a note that if Deshaun Watson came to OSU he probably would've been JT backup because Meyer loves his leadership.

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B1Gspeed's picture

Sounds like you're not a fan of the HC or his decisions. STFU with this nitpicking and enjoy the win.

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Macke777's picture

With fans like these, who needs ttun. 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

 I'm going to be taken a break from this board

 Sounds like a good idea. See ya.

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jaxbuckeye's picture

I’m about the biggest JT critic around but Jesus man.  Ever hear of decorum?  This is so ridiculously over the top that I’m embarrassed FOR YOU. 

I don’t know if you’re trying to be funny, be a dick, or both. But neither is a good look. 

I’d love to hear your football exploits that give you the authority to so trash a Buckeye player, any player.  

Dont bother. NOTHING gives you that right. 

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

The Constitution of the United States allows for the freedom of speech. Look it up. You may not like what someone says, it may be horrible, but they are allowed to express their opinions. Thats what makes this country great. We are not North Korea, or Russia. We won't get shot or thrown in jail for expressing unpopular opinions..usually, give it a day for the emotions to settle, and realize we won the Big Ten. I'll take it, it's only Urban 2nd Big Ten Title, which seems hard to believe. Wish we could have won the title in 2012...they allowed us to win the division.

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jpbuckeye's picture

Never mind.

Great win last night. Am just going to savor that today. Have a great day Buckeye Nation! :-)

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Sounds like you need to reread it...

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jaxbuckeye's picture

It’s not about what you’re technically allowed to do. I know I’m guilty of it.  It’s right there in my history.  I’m embarrassed to read some of the things I’ve written. I’d love to delete them. But they are a stark reminder of how I took it too far. 

It’s about being a halfway decent fan. Imagine he was your son and you had to read that.  I think we all know his struggles passing. Everyone has the right to comment on it. But those comments, the ones I’m referring to, just support the narrative that some feel about our fan base. What’s so difficult in expressing the same thought without completely trashing the guy?  

Even the worst Buckeye is still a Buckeye. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

he's shit shitty shit

Just like your comments

I'm going to be taken a break from this board just as I did last year before we got blown our by Clemson which I predicted

Don't hurry back

Shandy is not beer

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

I'd upvote this if I could... not because I agree but because it made me laugh lol.  

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Toilrt Paper's picture

BuckeyesRwright has ignorant ugly mouth

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dbill27's picture

Barrett guarenteed us not in the playoffs. no one in college football history does less with more. we simultaneously made Wisconsin look bad while also looking like we aren't great, hard to do really

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Mississippi_buck's picture

I agree. Our entire team around him is elite but he's poo. People complain about play calling but they can only call so much when the qb can't hit wide open receivers. It's laughable. Dude has so much talent around him to be so bad

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Beating Wisconsin by a big score would be meaningless this year. SEC Alabama only had one loss. 

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

This basically comes down to who's the better team (Bama) vs the more deserving based on body of work despite having an extra loss (tOSU)

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brunstar's picture

Playing Mercer in mid-November should count as 2 losses.  Therefore we now have 1 more win than Bama.

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Yeah I had replied to Gene Cheesedick on twitter who said Bama over tOSU based on the tape etc etc.. saying that the Big 10 should just drop back to 8 conference games then like the SEC that way we wouldn't have played Iowa and could have scheduled some shit FCS school instead and finished 12-1 and there wouldn't even be a discussion. 

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NutBuckz's picture

lol based on the tape. which he must have turned off while they were GIFTED their best win of the season???? which is equal to our 4th or 5th best win. ok, bama trolls, no end to em

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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Buckabroad's picture

Let's assume Bama really does pass the eye test better. How would they be any different from the 2015 Buckeyes who were, without question, the nation's best team but missed the playoffs because of that late loss to Sparty that kept us out of the conference title game? 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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buckeyetjn80's picture

What happened to the 'late season losses will kill you' argument?? The media hasnt mentioned that ONCE. In '15 our late season loss to Sparty killed us and that was the reason we got left out...that and the fact we didnt play in conf title game. It was all the media could talk about..'They lost too late in the season!'  We had lost to the best team we faced all year and got left out. Very similar for Bama this year...lost to the best team they faced all year LAST WEEK. This is absolute garbage if they get in...I dont think they will, I think we got it....but just saying.

Love the game over any team fandom.

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PittBuckeye's picture

Any chance that's actually how Herby feels? I just had a buddy ask me if I had to bet $1000 on a game between tOSU and Bama who would I take. Honestly I'd take Alabama and I'm as big of an Ohio state fan as anyone.

Resume wise I think they deserve a spot in the playoff, but the argument for Alabama is not as hard to make as I'd like it to be.

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WestsideCincy's picture

I'd take OSU vs. Bama.  But I sure as hell wouldn't take OSU vs Clemson or Oklahoma

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I don't think Alabama is a better team than Wisconsin. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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PittBuckeye's picture

Youd put money on Wisconsin in that matchup? I'd need at least +10 to take wiscy.

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Dmac3212's picture

Vegas would have them double digit dogs.

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Osu1997rk's picture

Alabama is definitely down this year and I think we could beat them but for Clemson and Oklahoma, wow not sure.... I think if we had a passing game we could beat anyone!! 

One man that has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't.

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Mississippi_buck's picture

No way we beat Bama with jt lol I love osu but u got to complete downfield passes to beat them n they have athletes. Jt would stink it up

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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Bukirob's picture

I'd take the Buckeyes.  

IDK how you reward Alabama for scheduling Mercer in November.  That's just not right.  

Ultimately, I think we get screwed.

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Heather Dinnich just said we have a stronger case than Bama. First time I ever agreed with her. If Bama would just stop scheduling teams like Mercer they wouldn't be in this situation.

Shandy is not beer

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Elks' comb over's picture

Yep and the eye test is tough to gauge when you are playing a schedule like Bama's.

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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SilverState's picture

A few years ago I would've never guessed that someone could credibly say that about Bama's schedule, but here we are.

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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brunstar's picture

The SEC needs to be punished for the annual November Chicken Shit Saturday scheduling.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Where did Heather come from to be the voice of college rankings? I don't put any stick into her statements...

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xbuceye's picture

Can't really argue with what Herbie said.

If JT were a bit more consistent I may feel differently.
We can look so good for a couple of series and then it just disappears.

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

So 18 of their points coming directly from JT's mistakes with short fields and automatic points it doesnt feel like we won but could have blown them out?

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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2morrow's picture

We should have been up 28 or 35 at the half. Glad we won. We were clearly the better team - but offensive mistakes - 2 picks - cost us big - and one Weber fumble. They scored 21 and we gave them 18. We also missed several wide open receivers for easy TD's.  Mixed emotions about getting into the playoff.

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NutBuckz's picture

so i call myself out i was wrong about urbans comments on jt. he said hed put in haskins if jt struggled and i took him at his word.

but when jt struggled, he just kept going with jt.  I guess by struggled he meant if his leg fell off.

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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BuckiNYC's picture

JT, AND/OR the receivers dropping balls... at this point it doesnt matter

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PapaBucks's picture

JT is more consistent than Jalen Hurts. Where does that fit in the narrative? 

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Codeezy's picture

I feel like we are in a really good position for me to just not worry and go with the flow. If we make it or not I’m cool with it. Full support baby. 

How long has that van been there?

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Jumar's picture

I don't care what happens. The Bucks beat TTUN, won the B1G and will at worst play in a NY6 bowl.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

This guy, right here, gets it.

TeamGB

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Jumar's picture

Anyone that lived through the Cooper years should get it.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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B1Gspeed's picture

Winner winner, chicken dinner. 

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wilkins0802's picture

I wish I could upvote this so much more than once! People seem to forget those times. 

Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT

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NutBuckz's picture

i remeber those times, i was a kid then, but i was like 'why dont they get a better coach'  then we got tressel.

but i do feel bad about it, cooper is from tennessee i think, but he really became a buckeye. He was fired but still considers himself a Buckeye, wears buckeye gear, too bad he didnt take ttun more seriously

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

As do I - People should stop arguing over a decision that will be MADE BY OTHERS. Wherever The Buckeyes end up I will be happy! 

GO BUCKEYES!!!! A Buckeye Forever!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Cooper changed the makeup of our team to include elite athletes from all over the country. His impact is pretty profound, I think. The Wolverines just had his number. Having lived through that, I am pretty damn happy with a victory over TTUN, B1G championship, 11 wins, and the top-ranked recruiting class to date. It's a good time to be a Buckeye.

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Zonabuck's picture

I don’t see how Bama can be considered over Auburn. Auburn played Bama, Clemson, and Georgia twice. Went 2-2. Bama’s only win of note was Iowa over OSU. If they want eye test, Auburn would be ranked above Bama. 

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TroyBuckeyeFan22's picture

Alabama is the third best team in the SEC. If they get in, the playoff is a sham. Not to say we deserve it. Three teams are truly deserving this year, in my opinion.

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NutBuckz's picture

also usc should be over bama, is anyone has a case its usc, not bama

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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logamaniac's picture

Who needs ESPN analysts shitting on this OSU team when we have so many “fans” doing the job for them on this forum. 

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chris's picture

Yes, real fans never are upset with their team.... peaceful and happy with a team is the first thing I think of when my mind conjures the image of the term "sports fan"

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logamaniac's picture

Upset with a team that just won their conference championship game?  Upset because their team might get to play for a national title?  Oh the outrage!

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Desymond's picture

Upset that Urban Meyer (one of the greatest coaches of all time) won't bench the winningest QB in school history and only three time captain for an unproven RS freshman. 

When you type it out it sounds perfectly reasonable. /s

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NutBuckz's picture

you know, its called coaching, jt starts throwing picks and overthrowing wide open receivers, you give the backup a series, if he doesnt get things going, you go back to your starter.  not like jts leg couldnt use the rest, its not so scandalous or crazy, really. and its not upset, it concern that we're about to face tougher competition with even bigger stakes.

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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logamaniac's picture

You do remember Osu won, right?

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NutBuckz's picture

against clemson last year, no, i dotn remeber that

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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logamaniac's picture

So then we shouldn’t rub the schedules clean from year to year anymore?

 I wasn’t aware last year matters this year.  Go ahead and put Alabama at #2 then because they have what two losses in the last two seasons?  How about the last three seasons?  Put them at #1.  How about the last four seasons?  Oh wait put Osu at #2 as well since they made the playoff 2 of the 3 years it’s existed. 

Maybe add in the bcs era too then and we can judge each team from that as well. 

Or maybe relax and enjoy the fact that Osu won the conference title, beat Michigan and is in position to accept a playoff bid.  

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

Well said Logo - Well said!!!!

GO BUCKEYES!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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Jsnyde45's picture

This is sooooo stupid. Take a break buddy. 

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Buckeye_FC's picture

It must be nice that Saban has the week off to politic for his team. 

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teddyballgame's picture

Everyone knows who ESPN is gonna back. 

Hopefully the committee doesn't let outside influences creep in to their decision tonight.  

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osuguy2008's picture

Stop with the Herbie hating... of course Saban could call in because his team wasn't playing today so he's not traveling home from Atlanta; meanwhile Urban has just finished a game and has other duties. I know we all like to hate on ESPN but not everything is some deep,dark conspiracy against Ohio St. In all fairness, our team has had wild swings in play; Alabama may not be the Alabama of 2009,2012, or 2015 but they've been consistent even if that consistency isn't up to those years. 

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logamaniac's picture

Consistently scheduling fcs competition you mean. 

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floridabuc24's picture

Wisconsin was even more so consistent but that did not help them tonight. 

Flbuc24

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floridabuc24's picture

I remember years ago they had a gorilla who by using a paint brush would decide the winners each week in the NFL and this gorilla had a higher percentage of correct picks than Jimmy the Greek and every so called expert and authority figure who hold positions like Herbie and his Espn bro's. I still believe that gorilla even though he is long dead is smarter than Herbie and all the other paid entertainers who are telling us what we should believe. I said before the game that the 5 conference championship games made this tournament a top 10 tournament. If we win we are in I stand by that. I believe the committee will be very sensitive to the idea of excluding 2 conference champs to put in 2 teams from the same conference especially with absolutely no logic, strength of schedule, quality of wins or any material to back them up. This is a slam dunk.

Flbuc24

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Herbie is a corporate mouthpiece propogandist now. He stopped being a Buckeye the minute he started working for that network. Nothing he says has any credibility anymore. And of course ESPN is going to clamor for Bama. They have to have their darlings in the playoff because of their SEC contract.

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logamaniac's picture

I can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not.  What espn wants is tv ratings for the playoffs.  The teams in it doesn’t matter and they’ve already got Georgia If you’re convinced that the conference tie in matters. 

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McBain's picture

What? I find Herbie to be one of the best analyst ESPN has. He is absolutely still a Buckeye and he is one of the few analyst that had OSU in on the graphic ESPN showed.

The facts are that OSU went and got housed by a mediocre Iowa team and if Bama gets in its not the committee's fault, it's ours. Purdue beat Iowa in Iowa city two weeks after they waxed us.

I'm a Buckeye born, I'm a Buckeye bred, and when I die I will be a Buckeye dead.

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Dmac3212's picture

You did realize her or had us in his final 4. He just thinks Bama is the better team. That is how I feel as well.

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CincyOSU's picture

TV contract you say? You do know they pay the B1G more money than the SEC over the next 6 years, right? ESPN wants OSU in just as much as Bama. 

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logamaniac's picture

I’d argue they want Osu more as it brings in more viewership and adds intrigue for their talking heads

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

I won’t DV you for your thoughts - But to say a one time Captain at Ohio State and whose father was a Captain under Woody is no longer a Buckeye is asinine to say the least. People have their opinions or thoughts and not everyone agrees. He gave his opinion and so be it.

I feel we lose perspective that this is just a game ( whether they are paid or not) and their are a hell of a lot more important things in life. 

GO BUCKEYES!!!! Wherever you go we will follow!!!!!

"To have a great life simply follow this rule:  Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."

Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Bama's best win was LSU... who lost to troy.. Who's still ranked behind tOSU's 3 best wins (MSU, PSU and now Wisky).  They tried boosting Bama's SOS by ranking Fresno St as well but they lost today.  Hell they were still debating on Wisky maybe not making it even if they beat us cause of a shit schedule, but they're going to over look that for Bama who didn't even win their division or conference? 

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NutBuckz's picture

and who had an equally shit schedule as bama

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

They are campaigning super fucking hard. Auburn would have dominated anyone in that 3 week span at home? Evident by the Georgia domination today? Lol. If anyone ever had a question on were the networks actual bread is being buttered for the future, just tune in and listen. They are making every excuse in the book and putting up misleading comparison side by sides. Its utter lunacy.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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BuckiNYC's picture

So true. Thankfully, I would like to believe the Committee doesnt even watch ESecPin. Or, if they do, its on mute in the background. They must see right through this crap too. Holcutt laid out the criteria pretty clearly the other night - no matter how hard Reece (whatever the hell his last name is) was badgering him and lobbying for Alabama...

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PapaBucks's picture

Auburn would have dominated anyone in that 3 week span at home?

SEC talking points. Gary Danielson said the exact same thing during the SECCG when Auburn was getting drubbed. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I actually think Gary is pretty good at the analysis within the game. But wow, you are so correct, he went right to shilling for the SEC when Auburn was having Georgia drive the ball right down their throats on that last, soul-sucking drive. It was embarrassing to listen to.

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B1Gspeed's picture

I dunno. Gary has always been an SEC homer by way of his employment at CBS. I mean, he's not as bad as Verne in terms of living in a vacuum, but Gary needs to watch games of other conferences once in a while. 

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bd2999's picture

Won the Big Ten. Don't really care about the rest of it. I do not like OSU's odds with the play calling through the season and inconsistent play but it will be what it will be. ESPN does not matter. 

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matti's picture

The way i see it is there are 3 good teams this year and luckily for osu they need 4 teams. Get in see what happens with urban hyping up the bucks to face Clemson again in the sugar bowl. Gonna take Urban going 2006 Florida hype to get the team up for it which I believe he can. If bama and the sec want two teams in play 9 conference games and don’t play fricken MERCER the second to last week of the season. 

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btalbert25's picture

I think we still sneak in, but honestly we won't win with JT.  He overthrew 2 wide open targets for TDs, he had 2 really bad INTs, he missed Dobbins on that little swing pass at the end which may have been 6.  We actually dominated Wisky tonight, and had a chance to fall behind late.  

I love JT and everything he's given this program, but we can't beat elite teams with him.  I really think we would have scored 50 tonight with Haskins under center.  I'm not saying this to start a big debate or anything, JT just really does handcuff this offense. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Leta be honest here. He missed 4 wide open TD's counting the Dobbins swing pass where no defender was within 15 yards. But, we still fucking won. We beat a top 4 team. Could have performed 75% better but still won. Shredded the #1 defense with ease. If rhat was a 2-loss Bama doing that ro an undefeated Georgia or Florida? It would be a no brainer. I dont get the scared ass fans of ours who are scared to get revenge on Clemson and Oklahoma. Fuck yall...I said it. Take your scared asses and root for ND or michigan. I want a shot at a title and every other fan should too. Must be Brown's fans who think they are better then Bengals fans because of not making the playoffs is somehow better then losing close 5 years straight?

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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InJTweMust's picture

This.. they complain cause he can't beat "elite teams", but beat two Top 4 teams this year - one undefeated.

JT is a week removed from surgery, didn't practice hardly all week.. had an "off game" and still won the game.

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Off game? This is literally jt In every big game. Bra we beat big ten teams with way less talent then us. Wisconsin wasn't an elite team they were overrated. Usc or bama would make short work of them. Those southern teams have the athletes that can run with us n jt can't hit wide open receivers against big ten teams. Clemson would embarrass us long as we have jt under thow Barrett lol get real

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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NutBuckz's picture

yeah but the browns are winners, of the draft picks, (which ofc they squander so cancel that)

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

Barrett’s a living legend.

Haskins gives the team a better offense in a CFP game.

Give them Southern Cal and let Alabama play Clemson.

I don’t see it.

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Buckeye_FC's picture

I’m utterly shocked that Vilma is picking against Ohio State. 

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Eph97's picture

On a relate note, Desmond sounded like an absolute fool this morning when picking. When Luther Campbell of 2 Live Crew fame sounds coherent compared to you, you know you have a problem.

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UD_Buckeye's picture

I know. Its like he is still pissed about something 15 years ago. 

THE University of Dayton

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Eph97's picture

Fuck the committee. They are so inconsistent. If it truly was "4 best teams" and not "4 deserving teams", they would have put OSU in 2015 as OSU beats MSU 9 out of 10 times. The head to head and conference championship should not have mattered. I'd like OSU to make it this year only to see the Alabama hillbillies pissed off, but I know OSU would get blown out with JT starting. If Urban starts Haskins, OSU can play with anyone.

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gumtape's picture

The Eggheads at 538 (technically ESPN) have osu at 40% to make the playoff and Bama at 28%. They are usually right. I like our chances but any year we are in the conversation and Michigan is not is a good year.

High and tight boo boo

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btalbert25's picture

All that being said, ESPN is trying to drub up ratings for the Selection Show tomorrow.  All this debate is really good for business for that show tomorrow.  

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JT Buckeye's picture

^^this^^

*Sipping the Buckeye Kool-Aid since 1995

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Pay me his ransom and I may make some silly statements too just to keep my job.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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btalbert25's picture

All the Fox guys picked Ohio State, funny how that works lol 

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Eph97's picture

What time is the selection show tomorrow?

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NutBuckz's picture

4 hour long show, if you can believe it, so will they give the result at noon then talk about it for 4 hrs, or make people (not me) watch hours of BS before announcing the results.?

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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JCM's picture

Good thing Herbie isn't on the committee.

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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Dmac3212's picture

Not a good thing since herbie said he has the buckeyes in.

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Buckeye_FC's picture

He actually would have Alabama in but thinks the committee will pick OSU. 

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Tampabuckeye85's picture

Everyone on the TV keeps comparing Alabama to OSU last year. I get it if it was us getting n over another conference. It is only the same if it was Alabama getting in over Auburn had Auburn won.

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

If they want to give Georgia's spot to Bama them say that. They want a bama who lost its last game, played a d-2 mercer, and should have lost to miss st and maybe lsu. They havent looked dominant at all.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Espn touting Bama 

Fox touting OSU

ESPN tied to SEC

Fox tied to BIG

 Coincidence? 

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JCM's picture

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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btalbert25's picture

It's all for ratings.  They have, by the way, touted Ohio State in years past (like last year).  Get Bama all riled up so when they don't make it, their fans all still tune in to say TOLD YOU SO, when we ulimately lose, or they'll be watching to cheer Georgia/Oklahoma/or Clemson on against us. 

Buckeyes are getting in. 

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CincyOSU's picture

ESPN also tied to B1G

ESPN pays more money for the B1G over then next 6 years. 

ESPN doesn't care, they want ratings. 

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logamaniac's picture

More like need ratings.  They don’t want another year of paying advertisers back on their books after all the firings. 

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PapaBucks's picture

Does ESPN own BTN? They do own the SEC Network. 

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CincyOSU's picture

And that is irrelevant. The SEC Network is for SEC fans, just like the B1G Network is for B1G fans. Ppl will tune in whether there are 4 teams or 0 teams in the CFP. 

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PapaBucks's picture

It is quite relevant. With one conference, they paid the market rates for partial content. With the other, they have ownership of the content. They have a vested interest for the product they own to be considered premier, the other they just want eyes. 

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CincyOSU's picture

It doesn't matter though, whether the SEC has 4 teams or 0 in the CFP, the SEC Network will get the same amount viewers. 

And "eyes" equals money so there is no reason at all to try to weaken the B1G. 

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Here's the thing, I don't think OSU will beat Clemson, but I think OSU getting in would send a statement to the SEC to stop scheduling FCS teams in November. There is a bigger issue here than just debating which team is worthier.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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McBain's picture

Uhh what? How would that send a message to the SEC about FCS teams? Committee doesn't care about that, Georgia played an FCS team this year and they are in.

I'm a Buckeye born, I'm a Buckeye bred, and when I die I will be a Buckeye dead.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

It's not merely about scheduling FCS teams, it's about them scheduling them in November, the week before their rivalry games. It's horseshit that OSU has had to play Michigan State 2 out of the last 3 years the week before Michigan, while teams like Bama, Auburn, Georgia, etc. get a nice, cozy win against some no name school.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I think Bama is a better team. 

OSU is the worst of the potential 5. Maybe not worst, but the least consistent. We simply don’t have a dominant O or D this season. 

Bama shot themselves in the foot with that weak ass schedule and not winning their conf. 

Comes down to this - what is worse OSU losing to Iowa or having your best win (Bama) being the 4th best win for OSU. Plus, Bama player Mercer. 

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

To clarify, Bama best win against 17th ranked LSU would be OSU’s 4th best win - WI, PSU, MSU. 

I am 100% fine with not getting in. We lost bad to IOWA. I am less fine with the committee giving Bama the benefit of the doubt. It’s kinda a catch 22. 

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topgun67's picture

guys, it's simple.

Fox is saying we 'should' be in.  Espn in most part saying Bama should be in... it's all relative to network's interest.  Herbie is moot point. can't stand that guy. 

We have better resume... for sure.. but Bama is Bama.  

only thing I hate about Bama is they scheduled Mercer...that should be as atrocious as our loss to Iowa... no one is talking about that.. Mercer.. they scheduled Mercer..  and their only good win is LSU.. 3 loss... 

and Bama played November pretty awful... it's not like they were blowing everyone out... they were in Sept.. but not in Nov.. that matters. 

SEC nation is all saying Bama.. finebaum... ESPN idiots... Heather strangely is supportive of OSU but lately she's wavering (prob being pressured by network)... no one knows..

fivethrityeight site gives us 40% chance.. Bama 20%+ chance.. whatever that means..

we will know in 12 hrs.. 

i think it's close..but only way we get in is IF committee does NOT want to leave out the huge chunk of Big Ten country as fan base, then we get in... b/c if 2 sec teams get in and zero big ten teams... who is going to watch playoff from middle of the country?   SEC country is football fanatics sure, but you think ratings will fare well w/ no big ten teams in?  

$$ talks

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McBain's picture

Herbie actually had OSU in even though he said he thinks Bama would win H2H matchup. And you are crazy if you think ESPN is pressuring on air personalities to pick one way. In fact Herbie, Fowler and Palmer picked OSU over Bama.

And losing by 31 to a mediocre Iowa team is NOWHERE near as bad as playing Mercer, that's ridiculous. I mean is scheduling UNLV that much difference than Mercer? Both don't have a chance and the backups are in after half anyway. It wasn't too long ago we had Youngstown St on the schedule

I'm a Buckeye born, I'm a Buckeye bred, and when I die I will be a Buckeye dead.

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Dmac3212's picture

Thank you. People keep commenting on something they didn’t even watch 

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Buckeye24's picture

I hear about the strength of schedule of who Ohio State has beaten but you could look at it like this: 

does Alabama beat Oklahoma at home?

does Alabama beat Penn State at home?

does Alabama beat Wisconsin on a neutral field?

Artthedart

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TroyBuckeyeFan22's picture

Would Ohio State have an 11-1 record with Alabama’s schedule? I’m saying yes. Would Alabama have an 11-2 record with Ohio State’s schedule? Probably yes. Which is more of a lock? I’d say OSU with Bama’s schedule.

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NutBuckz's picture

do they, oh yeah, well never know cause they scheduled garbage teams and their conference is weak this year

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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TroyBuckeyeFan22's picture

If Alabama gets in, why can’t Wisconsin? Both went undefeated until they played somebody with a pulse...and Wisconsin at least had a shot to win it at the end. And, they at least made the title game. If Bama gets in, it’s simply because they are Alabama. Whether or not that’s how it should be, is another debate. But you can’t say that Alabama has more credibility through the points the playoff committee emphasizes.

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topgun67's picture

i gave Bama better chance until Auburn lost ANd Fresno State lost... they have 2 wins in top 25 now.. and OSU 3 wins in top 25.. and OSU 3 wins are all above LSU.  that matters.  

so Bama played MERCER... atrocious for just scheduling it and as bad as our own loss to Iowa. 

Bama lost to Aubrn 3 loss team.. non conference champion.. that's not so good any more. 

Resume sucks period.. 2015, OSU got passed over by 2 loss teams - Stanford b/c our resume sucked... so is Bama's this year.. 

Committee members will be split on this for sure... just can't tell how it goes...

Bashing Bama for scheduling Mercer.. bad resume.. and others bashing how OSU could lose to Iowa by 30 points... 

whatever happens, you can't lose to Iowa by 30 points... that was the sin... 

lastly, JT sucks in passing period.. that hurts us w/ 'eye test' w/ everyone... he can't throw... this game should have been won by 3rd quarter... instead of nail biter.. all b/c of JT's mistakes and inability to throw.

love him or hate him.. JT is not a good passer.

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brunstar's picture

Which ever team ends up ranked 5th will play UCF in a NYD Bowl so the committee doesn’t look like crap. That’s the easiest prediction about tomorrow.

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WahooManiac's picture

1. Herbstreit, an alumnus, as the face of a major network's college football coverage is big net positive for anyone with a degree from The Ohio State University. Who cares what he says in his professional role?

2. JT Barrett had knee surgery last weekend. Might some of the sloppy play have to do with the knee hurting? Had to affect the passing mechanics. His receivers often did not help. But, the Buckeyes covered. The surgery negates many concerns about style points, no?

Not clever enough to be funny here. 

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James Varney's picture

1. When you look at Ohio State's roster and stats, do you think it's one of the 4 best teams in college football? Yes, absolutely.

2. When you watch Ohio State play do you think they are one of the 4 best teams in college football? I think we have to honestly answer no to that.

Beat Michigan!

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James Varney's picture

Forgive the split infinitive.

Yes, J.T.'s injury had to be a factor. So why does Urban have him in and running so much?

Beat Michigan!

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James Varney's picture

Urban on ESPN right now

Beat Michigan!

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Buckeye24's picture

If having a strong schedule is something to hang your hat on well we had a strong schedule/resume last year and got whipped 31-0!

Artthedart

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Buckeye24's picture

I think the Fiesta is hoping for OSU - USC match up....

Artthedart

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CedarBuck92's picture

As long as the committee has a clear reason for their decision I will live with it. I personally feel that we will finish 5th by the tiniest of margins and go play in the Fiesta. Most likely against the Fighting Condoms 

In the meantime our fans will be hoping and praying that JT falls in a hole and dies so DH can play. /s

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NutBuckz's picture

nope, we just wish that urban would stick to his word when he says things like, 'if jt struggles i will put in haskins'

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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CedarBuck92's picture

Glad to know you aren't hoping and praying for a player to get injured. 

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Toilrt Paper's picture

If another SEC teams deserves to be in the Final Four it's Auburn NOT Alabama. Alabama didn't even win a Division title, Auburn finished ahead of Alabama in their Division and Auburn beat Alabama. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

We won and we are in. Scaredy cats get ready. We face clemson new years day.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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NutBuckz's picture

more importantly, jt get ready and coaches get ready with a game plan

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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Mitchellr15's picture

Can someone on national tv please bring up the 2015 OSU team as precedent?

Mitchellr15

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InJTweMust's picture

Only way Bama gets in is the "eye test" and, unless they are all blind, there is no way Bama has passed it lately. Start of the year? Maybe. When it mattered down the stretch? Not so much.

They wanna compare Bama to OSU in 2016, but they compare more to OSU in 2015; if Zeke, Bosa, Thomas, Apple, and all those guys don't get in.. Bama shouldn't either.

I am fine playing in a NY6 Bowl, but if a conference champion Ohio State doesn't deserve it neither does Bama.

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MasonBuckeye's picture

It wont break my heart if we aren't selected.
There has to be some sort of consequence for getting slapped around by Iowa.
Champions don't get hammered in that fashion.
The committee will justify putting Alabama in because now there's no reason for a potential auburn vs Clemson rematch, and it can avoid an Oklahoma vs tOSU rematch by letting saban slither in to the playoffs.

Remember always that these are 18- 20 something year old college kids, not professional athletes. Don't rush them.
This team just isn't ready for the playoffs, and you can DV all you want, It just means you're in denial.....or don't watch football.

It. Is. Time.

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Fucking Herbie. Thinks we will get selected 4th. But campaigning hard for the former coaches in the committee room to know Bama would win and be favored. He is basically calling it a travesty if we get in. Cause some how a bama that should habe lost its last 2 sec games is so much better then a tOSU squad who housed #12 msu, beat hated rival michigan in the big house by double digits, and beat undefeated Wisky, and won the toughest conference in football. For what its worth they finally got Urbans opinion and he thinks we are in comfortably with 2 wins over top 4 teams and a pounding of #12. He didnt resort to faslehoods like Saban and the network are doing now.
Bonus tip: #25 Fresno State lost, one of Bama's big wins lol.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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Knarcisi's picture

Fuck Herbstreit. Maybe he can go suck Chip Kelly off again. 

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BuckFanInRichmond's picture

All the people who say we can't beat an elite team like Clemson with JT at quarterback, but would have a decent shot with Haskins are assuming quite a bit. We have seen Haskins play less than 2 quarters of meaningful football at OSU. Yes he played well, but nobody knows how he would fair against Clemson or even how he may have faired tonight against Wisconsin. One good half does not make a career. Urban would be crazy to put a young, inexperienced player in the most important position on the field when he has a proven winner with 4 years of experience. Could Haskins play well and give us a better chance to win? It's possible but it is also possible with his inexperience things could get out of hand very quickly.

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NutBuckz's picture

lets be honest, jt did very little good in the 2nd half. What would it have hurt to give haskins a series?

#1 would give jt a chance to rest and refocus. #2 would give haskins playing time vs a tough opponent.

when your qb starts overthrowing wide open receivers and throwing stupid picks, its time to change things up

has nothing to do with hating jt, wish him nothing but good, but cant ignore bad play if your the coach

It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!

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MasonBuckeye's picture

Its definitely not all on JT. .....
I noticed that our WRs just aren't making plays as consistently as some of the lesser teams weve played this year. ..

It. Is. Time.

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Eph97's picture

Have a feeling the bigwig advertisers are going to be telling the committee that no way in hell could the playoffs be 3 southern teams and okie. The entire northern untied states and California won't watch the playoffs in that scenario and big ad spending won't happen.

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BuckDigger's picture

I don't really care if we get in or not. But if Alabama gets in, Wisconsin better be in too. Their schedules were equally weak and Wisconsin had to play one more game than Alabama which it just so happens they lost. If they could have sucked enough to sit home this weekend they would still have a better record than Alabama. And besides, Alabama lost to a team last week that basically got blown out by Georgia today. I don't really care what ESPN tells me. I don't care how much money they spend on propaganda. And I don't mind if our Buckeyes don't get in. All I know is if Alabama gets in, then Wisconsin BETTER be in too or this whole system a complete failure.

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rkylet83's picture

Your right...why not Wisconsin too?  They got beat by the only top 10 team they played.

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rkylet83's picture

We’re in pretty good position.  Alabama is in the bad position.  They just recently lost to a team that got housed this afternoon.  No conference title and an awful schedule.  We’re odds on to make the playoff over them.  Let them squawk and squirm.  

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BuckeyeNut2012's picture

Alabama has no one to blame but themselves for their piss poor scheduling. The committee needs to send them a message saying "hey, if you schedule teams like Mercer two times a year, we're not going to give you any leeway if you drop a game and get blocked from playing for a conference championship." If they put Alabama in, that send a message to everyone else that it is okay to schedule your non-conference slate with cupcakes. Also when Alabama does schedule Power 5 teams, they never play them on the road. It's always at a "neutral" site down in a Texas or Georgia. 

You can't say Alabama passes the eye test when they haven't beaten anyone significant. Their best win would be Ohio State's fourth best win. How about showing some good results to the decent teams they did play? They barely squeaked out wins against them, and the one good team they did play manhandled them. 

Alabama does not deserve to be on the CFP. They do not pass the eye test, and they're not deserving of it. If we do not get in over them, it should be USC in that #4 spot. 

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thebrig's picture

Herbie proved tonight he is an idiot. There is zero evidence that Bama is better than OSU.

Never forget how we got screwed in 98

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BUCKEYEYANKEE's picture

It all depends on the 10 committee members from the CFP. Ohio State should get in versus Alabama due to quality wins. OSU beat PSU, Michigan State and Wisconsin and they are the Big Ten Conference champion. Alabama best win was barely beating Mississippi State. Alabama played Mercer before their biggest rival Auburn and still lost to Auburn. Yes, Ohio State played Illinois but at least they are a FBS team in our own conference. 

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jaxbuckeye's picture

I always defend Herbie but I this time was too much. When you say you think Bama is the better team, fine. But then when he didn’t stop and got into specifics that Ohio State vs USC in the Fiesta Bowl would be a great game, that was way too much. 

He was trying way too hard to seem objective. Didn’t need him putting those thoughts into anyone’s mind. Totally ridiculous.  With alum like that, who needs Booger McFarland or Finebaum?

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Sims_tOSU's picture

Everyone needs to relax. What ESPN is doing it just trying to make it look close. Every big time media talk head and “expert” expect OSU in but ESPN is the one who runs a really long show just for the rankings to be revealed. If everyone knew that osu was getting in they wouldn’t even watch their show today. So they are just making things seem super close. 

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

How much pain was JT in and how did that affect decision making? How much and what kind of pain meds was he allowed to use for the game? JT I can find some excuses for...our receivers and Weber I can’t. 

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

The last time I saw Bama they LOST, they Looked like GARBAGE, Their QB couldn't throw, nor could they even Center the ball. So they are better why? Satan was on ESPN acting like a beggar on the street, saying 'you wouldn't be talking to me' if Bama had lost by 31 to an 'unranked' tea,. Fact is, pally, you got rolled by a team that got rolled in the SEC Championship. The team that beat us llast year in a flukey way was a better team than the one that beat you, and your team just hasn't proven it. There was nothing flukey about the way Auburn rolled you.

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CincyOSU's picture

Some of you need to learn that just because you don't like an opinion, it doesn't mean they are against you. 

It's like the OP saw the first thing he took as a slight and ran with it, without realizing MANY on ESPN are saying OSU will get in. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Saying us getting in is a travesty and using every ounce of time to convince any ear who will listen that it should be Bama? Yea clearly they are our buddies and are pulling for us. Cant believe you have the gull to defend the BS they are pulling right now. This is right up there with the time they tried to tell voters if they dropped us far enough or left us off their ballot it may be enough to keep us out.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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CincyOSU's picture

Put away the tinfoil hat, you're hearing what you want to hear. 

Again, you can't take the word of an INDIVIDUAL and twist that into a company wide conspiracy. 

Financially, ESPN wants OSU just as much as Bama. That is fact. 

Oh, it's not just th big bad meany heads at ESPN saying it, the debate is raging on across all outlets. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

I would like your honest assessment of why ESPN seems to be the only outlet pumping for Bama hard? Everywhere else to tune in is saying we are in and deserve it. I'll settle a bit if you tell me they are just trying to generate ratings for "their" selection show.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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hodge's picture

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence. ESPN airs the selection show, so every bit of pot stirring they do helps them drum up interest in the selection show and their college football programming as a whole. 

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Oh and the record I believe Herbie has the right to say whatever he thinks. He's paid to give his opinion and not everyone has to see the world the same way.  I also don't think it means he's not a true fan etc.  Sometimes when you love something so much all you can see are the flaws because you want it perfect. He's not on the selection committee so it doesn't really matter what he thinks.

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Canukbuck's picture

I think Herbie, of all the boys at ESPN, usually makes the most sense and I do respect his opinions.  However, Bama has not had the same quality opponents that we've had this season.  When Fresno and the Tigers went down yesterday, it did nothing to help their resume.  Ohio State is definitely a worthy 4th place seed in the playoff.

However, Clemson is a nightmare waiting to happen if we go in with another 15+ QB carry game plan, like last night.  If JT hits on even 50% of his deep throws tonight, the score would have been 59 - 0 ... again.  The Badgers were only in this game thanks to our turnovers.  I hate to say it, but Clemson rolls the 4th seed, regardless of who it is ......

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Sims_tOSU's picture

I see way to many people bringing up past years. For example, Robert Smith on Fox after the game said that “well does the committee look at what has happened to the Big 10 the last two years and see what happened to them”. That’s an awful and irrelevant point. Not sure how people think comparing totally different teams from a different year is going to be done by the committee. That seems so stupid but then again that’s the only reason Bama is being considered right now. 

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JackIsWayBetterThanTiger's picture

A least Galloway and Jesse Palmer on College Football Final had it right .... OSU IN, Bama OUT

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BIGTIMEBUCKS's picture

GIVE US BAMA!

"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Urban s love affair with JT proves one thing to me, winning isn't the most important thing to him. He was so terrible and visibly slower last night. So tired of jt up the middle on 4th and 1. NFL talent at receiver and and NFL arm on the bench. I am really frustrated with all of this.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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Losu1's picture

McElroy brings up 2015 and they cut him off twice to distract him. Pathetic!

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Losu1's picture

I will not watch the playoffs if OSU doesn't get in over Bama. I don't live in the south and I have no interest in a regional championship. Already saw Georgia beat auburn for that. The SEC sucked this year. Half the coaches were fired. No thanks. 

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Il_Padrino's picture

ESPN rankings just came in; did you guys see them? 

This is their rankings:

#1 - Georgia

#2 - Auburn

#3 - Alabama

#4 - LSU

#5 - Texas A&M

#6 - Florida

#7 - Kentucky

#8 - Missouri

#9 - Tennessee

#10 - Vanderbilt

#11 - Mississippi State

#12 - Mississippi

#13 - Arkansas

#14 - South Carolina

#15 and so on - doesn’t matter

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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Buckeye_FC's picture

Saban was right about one thing. Not all divisions and conferences are equal. For example the B1G East is better than anything the SEC has to offer. 

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ShaneFalco's picture

Jonathan Vilma has an axe to grind..........

I read blitz

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Doug James's picture

Maybe scarlet colored glasses but.....I can imagine Ohio State being underdogs in the playoff and, to some degree, just playing loose.  I can imagine Barret hitting deep balls ( that were missed last night) and Ohio State beating anyone or at least a very close game.  Then you add in a healthy Barret and a really good Ohio State D.......we got a chance but need that #4 spot.

DJ

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Gary Gaines's picture

The playoff committee's job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff ... not the 4 best teams that have the best resume.

If you can't see by watching them play that Alabama is a notch above us this year you're not watching with any kind of objectivity. Most everyone outside of Ohio can see it.

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buckeyes2353's picture

I watched Bama get outgained by LSU. I also watched Mississippi State controll the line of scrimmage against Bama. I don’t know what you were watching but if you are referring to their dominating performance against teams like Tennessee maybe you have missed the shit show Tennessee was this season.

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Abuckeye15's picture

Seriously, Bama is a paper tiger and their conference was a dumpster fire this season.  If you put that BS schedule in front of OSU, PSU, or Wiscy, guarantee you they’ll have same record.  

36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"

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Neilwoodgables's picture

Im interested in hearing which of Alabama's performances you feel were better than either the Michigan State or Penn State games by the Bucks.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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Kilo's picture

The funny thing is the offensive defeated two teams last night with their turnovers - Wisconsin and themselves. If they blew out Wisconsin, this discussion would not be a debatable.

OH-IO!!!

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Crumb's picture

Terrelle Pryor said it best; Fake Buckeye. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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CincyOSU's picture

Yea God forbid he have an opinion, one that he had the audacity to explain...what an asshole. 

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Keze's picture

WHY is it always about Herbie?????  that Galloway is worst than Herbie and there is NO talk about him on here.

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