Looks like we may have no choice but to ride the Dwayne train the rest of the way. Hell of a game by the backup.
IF JT is healthy he starts next week. But either way, go Bucks!!
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
And JT apologists can go back to blaming the WR's when we lose. Amazing they could catch as soon as DH came in
Sigh....are you we really going to play this game?
The playcalling was VASTLY different with Haskins in the game. We actually ran the ball with our rbs and threw the crossing routes we've had success with all year. All the credit in the world to Haskins, he stepped up and did what he had to do(and showed why we likely won't miss a bear next year). But don't act like JT can't hit a crossing route...we didn't throw them.
Cincy and I have had several disagreements, but he’s absolutely right. Haskins was great, but the play calling changed (for the better) once he entered the game.
I don’t know what it is about big games, but it’s been a different offense, several times, over the last few years.
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
Exactly, there is no consistency in our offensive identity. One week we are a running team, the next week we want to be a passing team. When are they going to realize we are a running team...we need to establish the run to set up the pass and good things happen.
Why we didn't give the ball, early in the game, to one of our TWO elite RBs is insanity. Not to mention we barely ran, if we did at all, any kind of crossing route until DH came in.
If I recall, we did try to establish the run early. And it did not work. Running backs were bottled up entire first quarter.
Every play called early in the game was inside the tackles. It worked when we started running outside.
JT is a different QB against good defenses.. It's been well documented. Just look at his career numbers when facing elite defense that shut down his legs.. It's not pretty.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
And an elite Michigan State defense in 2014. That was the best defense he has played.
Michigan state in 2014 was far from the best defense he's played lol. Clemson was. Big tens defense's stats are boosted by playing slow bad offenses. Michigan state defense was good but it wasn't close to Clemson's. Their safety was laughing at Barrett before the game smh. He also had Devin smith, Thomas, and Elliot in 2014. He's the focal point in this offense.
If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk
Michigan state in 2014 was far from the best defense he's played lol.
Name them. I'll wait. Clemson isn't one of them, but you can start at 2 since Mich State is far from it.
yea, there's the penn st game this year. there is also the iowa and OK games this year. there is also the penn st and Clemson games last year. so, you're happy with barrett showing up to play in 1 out of 4 big games?
Hell beavis look at the Michigan game last year and this year. He played like shit in those games as well 1 for 6. Those final 4 defenses are more athletic then big tens defenses. Y'all say "our receivers can't get open" when barrett plays big ten comp. Clemson showed you what those real athletes do with his underthrows and how it forces us to be predictable. It'd be alot of the same. What makes you think he'll light up Clemson or auburn if he can't light up Iowa or Michigan? We where saved by a horrible okorn and Haskins today. I'm not worried about the playoffs.
I think PSU happened because we were so far behind and had no choice.
Off the top of my head I can think of 2-3 games against PSU, MSU and Michigan, who had great Ds. I know over 4 year career I’m forgetting a few, but play calling has been the larger problem.
Save your breath. I’ve learned that people are gonna defend players and coaches despite facts.
So true... people are oblivious to obvious facts.
The mark of excellence, the test of greatness, is consistency
They will if there are other reasons. No one can deny the game plan changed to what it should have been all along. That is a coaching problem.
Or maybe the offensive line wasn't creating holes in the beginning, and then team came together more to help Haskins out. I am not blaming JT anymore. The Kid is a hell of a player, hell of a man. It isn't JT's fault t hat the play caller didn't call the plays they did early in game. JT started moving the ball until he got hurt. Do not place blame on JT. He has earned my respect with all he has done. I admit I was one of the guys that were calling for Haskins after the OK game, but no more. With all JT has done he has earned my respect. Haskins will be great when JT is gone but I believe we all will miss JT's leadership when he is gone.
he had 97 total yards. Not really moving the ball
JCam, don’t feel the trolls. He is 9-3 against top 15 teams (if you want to play the game of crediting QB with wins that is). 36 wins in his Buckeye career, best ever.
Did it change tho?
I will go back and look, but I thought (beer is the one reason I question this) he started with some zone read plays, he then started to make passes, which in turn opens up running lanes for our backs, and this then leads to deep balls.
Its a natural progression of the offensive plan. The struggle is when you can't get the short passing game going then you face a loaded box.
Chicken and the egg.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
The run game worked with Haskins because the defense was forced to defend the entire field. This is how football works. See Cardale Jones 2014 for reference.
Dustin Fox was our leading tackler as a corner.... because his guy always caught the ball.
NO GlueFingers, this is a false narrative. While Haskins was great, he only hit one downfield throw. The rest were crossing routes and passes in the flats. He completed one ball to the outside downfield. 1.
the difference was easy to see. barrett would have never been able to throw that dart to mack nor would he have hit those receivers IN STRIDE. and haskins showed he'll be a capable runner when needed. I can't wait for haskins era to start next year.
and, I will definitely not miss having to endure barrett run the ball 25 times a game.
I love JT, he is going to go down as one of the greatest Buckeyes ever....but...he fails to exploit one on one matchups on the outside against Victor and Mack, fails to hit wide open seam routes against the TE (the pass to Baugh today being the exception), is absolutely terrible reading the defense, pre-snap and is throwing the ball wrong footed far to often. He is one of the best leaders to ever put on a uniform , competes like no other and has the patience of Laveon Bell when running the ball. That being said, i do not believe he can win us a championship. Great leader, but his skill set is too limited. Flame me if you must, but that is my honest opinion.....
I have seen monkey shit fights at the zoo more organized than this.
Totally agree brother. I get so tired of knowing a wb draw is coming. Tired of seeing one on one coverage with a horribly under threw ball where the receiver has to stop running and wait on it. Clemson was laughing at him watching the tape last year and took advantage of us having him as our qb. Elite athletic dbs shut Barrett down. Dude has all the time in the world and still can't hit a receiver in stride. Those throws Haskins made Barrett would miss 9 out of 10. And qb starting 4 years under urban Meyer at OSU will break records. That means nothing to me BC he does it against bad teams. I'm ready for Barrett to be gone. Flame me as well. He limits this team. Listen to dabos comments last year. He was talking about Barrett believe that.
Agree NKY - It's like JT has the yips. He goes from receiver to receiver holding the ball. Where not just Haskings, but most of the qb's I watched just last night, have a tendency to take one or two reads and let it fly.
Are you really convinced JT is anywhere near the passer that Haskins is?
JT has a mental block when it comes to throwing the football. I guarantee you if Haskins in the game on that deep ball JT disgustingly underthrew, that's a TD. JT is holding this team back plain and simple. I'm sorry if you can't see that.
"I'm in favor of it" - John McKay, on the execution of his team.
I guarantee you if Haskins in the game on that deep ball JT disgustingly underthrew, that's a TD.
You can 100% guarantee that Haskins eludes the rush and scrambles away from pressure? You can 100% guarantee that he is able to set his feet and hit the WR PERFECTLY in stride? Come on man. That was a bad throw, but Haskins may not have even been in position to make the throw in the first place.
Dude, that wasn't a bad throw. That was an egregious error. JT is not accurate with the football. How can you not see that? And when your receiver has no one around him the fact he needs to actually stop and run back to the football is ridiculous. If Haskins is making that throw I'm guessing he does hit him perfectly in stride, and if not perfectly, the throw is still good enough to be a TD. Take a look at the accuracy of the Austin Mack catch. JT has never made that throw. Not once. You know why? Because he knows he can't.
Also, I watched Haskins move well in the pocket yesterday, get the ball out quickly, and avoid the rush more than once, with a long run almost resulting in a TD. He is clearly the better option as a passer.
JT has never made that throw. Not once. You know why? Because he knows he can't.
Guess you didn't watch the Penn State game...
Yeah I did. Show me a throw in that game down the sideline to a big receiver splitting the safety and CB. Didn't happen. He SUCKS as a passer. Take a look at any NFL scouting report. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
Are you fucking kidding me? Did you not watch the final drive? Take off your "Everything is JT's Fault" blinders. My God.
Go to 8:36.....EXACT same throw.
Take your JT can do no wrong blinders off, homie. That was zone coverage, and therefore not the exact same throw. Check out where #1 is when he throws the ball. Good throw, I'll give credit to that, but not the same throw. JT would never even attempt the throw Haskins made to Mack. In JT's mind Mack has no realistic expectation to make that catch and would never even look at that as an option, hence why he stands back there and holds and holds and holds some more until the play breaks down or he's sacked.
I've watched JT stink at passing all year. Can't hit simple turnaround routes, can't read a defense, holds the ball, and on top of all of that he then makes bad decisions with the football. DUDE CAN'T HACK IT.
Listen, he's somewhat right, just admit it. I mean we should NOT be surprised either... Tebow was a winner, a leader, could run, tough, good decision maker, stayed his entire career...not an amazing passer.. but a winner in college. JT is the closest thing Urban has to mimic Tebow since his OSU tenure.. It was bound to happen (maybe an Urban weakness as a head coach when you recruit so well and promise so much to 5 stars)
The criticisms of JT are for real and justified. SO are the reasons argued to defend JT. It is what it is... but it shouldn't be surprising given the fact of Urban's history.. reveal behind the curtain with his history with basically the same qualities in his best ever, most SUCCESSFUL ever (whis to a head coach is the puddin) QB ever.. Tebow. JT is a version of Tebow. Of course he starts Saturday. and OF COURSE young buck Dwayne Haskins is a better passing QB.
Soon come mon, soon come.
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
No need to apologize for 36 wins, 2 silver footballs, most of OSU’s passing records, a national title, and 4-0 against TTUN. I love what I see in Haskins, but I will check back with you in 4 years to see if he matches or exceeds these accomplishments.
who was it at qb for the bucks against wiscy, bama and Oregon? ?? it wasn't barrett.
Hey Butthead, thanks for chiming in Championship Guy. O-line, D, and zeke mostly responsible for those wins. Don’t believe me, pull up dolo’s numbers (Wisky no.’s were good. Other 2 were “meh.”). Too bad facts fucked up your narrative.
who was it at qb for the bucks against wiscy, bama and Oregon? ?? it wasn't barrett.
YOU are the kind of fan many people like myself have a problem with.
He won’t play four seasons because he’ll be a 3rd year sophomore next year. If he has a really good year, he could be a one and done! I love JT but he lacks serious passing skills. He’s a 4 year starter because of his lack of passing skills, if he had them he’d be in NFL. I’ll miss JT’s guts and leadership ability, but it’ll also be nice to have a QB who can do what QBs are supposed to do. Throw the ball!
We will fight to the end for OH-IO!
Exactly....They say we have no deep ball threat but time Haskin's gets in everyone looks like a deep ball threat.
They say we have no deep ball threat but time Haskin's gets in everyone looks like a deep ball threat.
Really? How many did we throw? We threw crossing routes, which we should have been throwing the whole game.
We threw one. It was an awesome throw. But let’s be honest—Mack was well covered and we are lucky he held onto the ball. You ain’t making a living off throws like that.
My 91 year old mother doesn't know his name / or can't remember, but she always says "that number 7 is a pretty good player". She gets more nervous than anyone I know before games.
You do realize they call different packages for different QB's right?
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
I hate relying on QB runs, designed or otherwise, but for once this year it completely worked in the 2Q to loosen up TTUN's D-line and LBs. TTUN was all over the backfield for the first 15 mins, no matter what the play call was. It was JT's legs (and a REALLY bad INT drop) that made the difference in the first half.
Having said that, the simplified play calling for Haskins that used weapons besides the QB's legs reminded me of 2014 all over again, when a certain QB with a huge arm was consistently set up by the best RB and O-line in the country, and that QB routinely busted up defenses with good passing and occasional scrambles. I firmly believe that the O will be markedly better next year or, at least, harder for elite teams to defend.
Playoff or not this year, next year is shaping up to be just fine.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
I hope JT is honest with the trainers and coaches if he is not 100% next week. I love JT, and he is my starter, but he should not start just because of his tenure and likability among the coaches if he is even slightly less than 100%.
100% might be a stretch, but I get what you mean. Be honest with ones self and if it would impact the team and/or your performance, you have to turn the keys over to DH.
I was yelling to my mom (who was like 4 feet away) "It's Cardale Jones Deja Vu"....
All we need now is to slaughter Wisky 59-0 LOL
Whoever the QB is, our OL is the key.
But giving Haskins his due here...he took a BIG step forward today, on sudden notice.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation
But giving Haskins his due here...he took a BIG step forward today, on sudden notice.
For sure. But you know, they showed a pic of his eyes when he went in....didn't seem nervous at all. He actually reminds me a JT in a way...very calm. The sky is the limit with this guy
He showed poise.
Also class...he was quick to credit JTBIV for keeping him focused.
He reminded me of ol 12 gauge, but with a little more scramble in his game.
i think it was nice he didn't have time to think and just had to "go".
The KEY next week is our Defense. We need to stop the play action and our LBs need to cover the TEs.
Haskins has a bright future. ( Sorry Joe.. http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/current/transfer-terms )
Reminds me of Kenny Guiton or even Cardale Jones leading us to the national championship. Just shows we have the best backup QBs in the nation.
Somebody already mentioned it on another thread, but I think it's worth repeating:
We are "backup QB U."
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
When can I up vote because this is the scarlet and grey standard.
Buckeye Bred.....Enough Said
+1 to help you on your way
The ugly truth is often downvoted
Put the team in position to score points every drive with Haskins.
Haskins' swagger is evident. You could see it on the sidelines and in the postgame interviews. No matter what happens this season, next year is going to be his year.
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
Haskins is going to be very good!
I think he is quite good right now. His devious need to be better. That comes with playing time.
Agreed - glad he's seen some action throughout the season - it's helped him have the field presence we saw today.
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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Dwayne Haskins will lead us to our next national championship! Maybe not this year but he will in his career!
MY gut tells me Haskins is going to be a great one. But statements like this are a bit over simplistic because it takes a lot to go right to win a championship.
He will only start for one year here. It'll have to be next year
Please just play Haskins. It's so obvious it hurts
Why do people down vote an opinion about who should play?
Who's that giant standing next to Hankins was this after the game?
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Seems like Braxton Miller says Tressel told him he would be coming in after Pryor.
Tressel had an eye on finding QB talent. No surprise he recruited this kid this early.
Coach Tress still finding a way to beat Michigan by recruiting Haskins early lol.
Check this out
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what an incredible find!! wow, this deserves its own thread.
Pretty cool stuff KB
That throw was a fu king beauty, but I still don't know how Mack hung onto that ball. He was crushed by two defenders at the same time.
I think there might be some good chemistry between those two.
Which is nice.
Yeah it would be terrible if the QB with most wins in OSU history and most of its records were to start. Don’t ever change BUQB Guy.
he stayed at ohio state for 5 seasons - he ought to have records. but, he's only here because he's not good enough for the nfl - if he was good enough, he'd have already been gone.
WE get it Butthead, you are a JT hater. I love Haskins, but odds are he won’t win a championship (we have 2 since 1970). JT has one (and played a huge role in getting it). So get your excuses ready, you got 2 seasons to work on it.
Yeah all those records he broke against bad teams lol the Clemson game, Oklahoma game, Iowa game, and Michigan games all those records looked good out there huh. Just dominating with pin point throw against those teams huh smh. Those records mean nothing if he didnt okay well against good teams. He hadicapps the offense point blank period
JT certainly has some weaknesses. This is clear for all to see. But dwelling on the negative only leads to anger and frustration. I’m sure we can all be semi reasonable and celebrate the fact that he’s been a pretty awesome QB for the Buckeyes. And wish him well in his future endeavours. I’m sure can we can agree he’s earned that much from us.
Nope. The team is 9-3 against top 15 teams when he has started. What else you got?
Let's watch what happens when Devin Smith, Jalen Marshall, MikeThomas, Jake Stoneburner and others don't drop passes.
I probably shouldn't say this out loud, but when Haskins went in I felt like we were going to win for the first time the whole game.
You can write all the scripts for people you want, it doesn't mean they're going to take direction.
Really??? You sound like a 5 year old.
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
Ok then. You sound like a douche, but since it's all Buckeye fans here you have a good night.
Way to trigger the "apologist"
I can respect this. I love JT and definitely want him back at QB this coming Saturday (if he’s healthy), but I feel like we throw the ball better with Haskins in. He just lacks the experience JT’s got.
It also forces the coaches to call more designed runs for the backs.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
This.... but I do think defenses key on the RB more when Haskins is in.
But Haskins is making them pay for thinking they need to stuff the runners!
"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"
That is what we want.
Yes, definitely this, too. Not nearly as many designed QB runs or options with QB keeping it.
Read option doesn't sit well with Haskins.....he's not JT. Being said the run is an option when it presents itself.....but cannon... fire.
You are free to feel how you feel. But JT is 4-0 against TTUN and brought us back from 14 down. So, from objective evidence I don’t see it.
Going 4-0 against scum is great.. I get it, I hate them as much as anyone else. But beating them 4 times in a row isn't nearly the accomplishment it used to be, It's happend more than once in the last 15 + years. And we were losing when he got injured, a part which you left out, so there's that. He did not lead the team to victory, Haskins did. I honestly don't think we win if Barret had finished the game. Urban needs to at least think about using both Haskins and Barret.
I honestly don't think we win if Barret had finished the game
Well, he did bring us back from 14 down thanks to a Def that couldn't tackle anyone in the first quarter. And, we were driving when he got hurt.
"We were driving when he got hurt".. apparently 3rd and 3 on our own 30 yard line is considered "driving" lol... I guess it probably seemed that way since we went about a quarter and half without a first down.
Fair enough, I thought we were closer to the 50. Still doesnt change that you are trying to over simplify a complex situation. If you can't see the playcalling changed, for the better, then I'm not sure what to say. We went back to the basics...gave the ball to our RBs and finally started throwing crossing routes.
I agree with you about the play calling, I just view it differently than you. I don't think they trust Barret enough to open things up because I really don't think they trust arm enough to fit throws into tight windows against good defenses. I think with Haskins, they know his strength is his arm, and they know he's not a great read-option QB, so they are forced to be more balanced and get the running backs more involved in the running game. They run a more conventional power run game, similar to the end of the '14 season.
I would actually agree with this statement if they are pushing the ball downfield. Other than the Mack throw(which was great) it was mainly crossing routes, which we didnt run with JT. Not to mention we finally started running with our RBs. To me, we just went back to the basics and stopped trying to get overly cute with our offense.
Now next year, I think(and hopefully we dont get cute again) we will see more of the downfield attack Haskins ins capable of.
Here's the thing about the crossing routes though, when you're running the ball on 90% of your plays like we were, the safety's play closer to the line of scrimmage and it takes the easy throws away.. not too mention, just like every other elite defense, they don't respect Barret's arm to begin with and so they play everyone close to the line of scrimmage and dare him to go over the top. When Haskins went in they had to change their defense because they know he can stretch the field.. just having him on the field forced them into a more favorable alignment and opend things up underneath. It was like a domino effect. We forced them to change, then we took over.
the playbook tends to open when you have a QB who is comfortable reading coverage and throwing deep. Its pretty amazing actually. Its also crazy how defenses will back off to respect a QB who can throw and all the sudden our running back have holes because the box isnt stacked. We have been playing a fullback at QB for 3 years now.... I know downfield passing looks weird now.
Fine. He has the most wins as a stating OSU QB all time (tied with Art). 2 silver footballs, a Big Title , most of our passing records, and played a huge role in the Natty season. Haskins likely is great but probably doesn’t touch this for a career (and odds are doesn’t play on a championship team though you never know).
Drop the scum nonsense. It isn’t clever and it is juvenile. You are better than this.
Haskins has the ability to be drafted before his fifth year.
The conversation is better college QB (hell that still could be Haskins). If that is the criteria, being drafted is irrelevant.
It's 100% relevant. A lof of JT's records, and accomplishments, that you speak of come from a combination of luck, health, and skill, in that Braxton Miller got hurt and the fact that he was not talented to be drafted early as a high draft pick.
If Braxton does not get hurt then he does not play as a red-shirt freshmen. Then if he has great year as red-shirt sophomore, and ends with out injury, he gets drafted. In which case he does half the accomplishments.
Urban needs to at least think about using both Haskins and Barrett.
I NEVER called for JT's replacement by a true freshman or sophomore. But I thought after the Oklahoma loss it couldn't hurt to give Haskins and even Burrow a series or two in the 2nd Qtr, regardless of the score. I still think that would really fuq with the opponent's defensive game plan.
And Cincy and LB U: you both make good points. Let's just be friends. We're all on the same team; just different perspectives.
he's also the qb in the Spartan game a couple of years ago that cost us a trip to the playoffs.
he's also the qb who looked lost last year in the embarrassment against Clemson.
he's also the qb that looked lost against OK and iowa this year which will cost us another trip to the playoffs.
I love beating the northern team too - but trying to win national titles means you have to consistently beat good competition. and barrett has struggled to do that in his buckeye career.
I pegged you as Championship Guy and this confirms it. Since it is unlikely Haskins wins a title, get your excuses ready (and I think he is going to be frat, just going with the odds. You painted you into this corner). Meanwhile, JT already has a ring (and was the starter in 11 of those wins). My guess is her you won’t be here in 2 years (and if Haskins brings us a title, shove it up my you know what).
Seems to me the defense gave up tons of points in those games you listed Beavis. JT doesnt play defense.
To be fair 0 is a very round number that can only go onto one side of the ball against Clemson.
i find it to be funny that some of us cannot admit that JT is not the best QB on earth. He is good, not great.
He is up and down.
He has a lot of heart and a ton of stats (due to the fact that he was here for 4 years in and expanded amount of games compared to the past), but if you cannot see that he takes sacks and isn't exactly elusive anymore, coupled with a less than desired ability to hit receivers.... then your just allowing his work ethic, devotion, and compiled career numbers blind you.
You are free to feel how you feel. But JT is 4-0 against TTUN and brought us back from 14 down note: in the 113 previous meetings we never came back from 14 down). So, from objective evidence I don’t see it.
It is my opinion. It's not based on any evidence, because by all measures JT is one of the greatest OSU QB ever. Sometimes he's on fire and sometimes it's just ugly. It is my feeling, not a knock on JT. What I do know is I'll ride with this team to the very end of my days no matter what happens.
I felt this way too. But I felt like we would win because I thought feeding JK and Weber was what we needed to do, and once Haskins came in I felt like we had no choice but to run the ball with Dobbins and Weber. Haskins looked awesome and deserves every bit of praise he gets for his day today though
Logged in just to upvote you. I love JT but the coaches lean on him too much, which isn't a bad thing until it takes away from our running backs. I was screaming all game give the ball to 2 and 25. I hate when they try to make the pass work before establishing the run.
Yep. It was great to see 25 and 2 get rolling later in the game. I'm going to twist a quote from one of the MODs after the Iowa game: At least we didn't "Use the interception to set up the pass," this time (well, almost in the 2Q - that was a really bad ball from JT).
Cant agree more with this statement. I think JT is great and could probably be better, but the playcalling constantly revolves around him running the ball to the point that defenses KNOW whats coming. We have RBs for a reason, use them. Regardless of whos QB!
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I think the play calling is that way due to his skill set.
Thats the deeper rooted issue. He limits what can be done.
Jackson Carman and Micah Parsons were right......about playing Haskins.
Absolutely agree. People saying Barrett brought us back from 14-0 but he's a large part of why we was down. I have no faith in Barrett against elite defenses. They had a blown coverage wide open receiver n he under threw the receiver so bad he had to completely stop and wait on the ball. That's A touchdown with Haskins in. I love my Buckeye's but I'm not blind. I hate how the offense sputters when Barrett can't make wide open down field passes. But its Urban's call n I'll ride with em regardless
This is yet another example of simplifying a complex scenario. A TD with Haskins? Is Haskins able to scramble and keep that play alive? Is Haskins going to throw perfect ball when his feet aren't set at the very last minute? Come on man.
The offense moved when Haskins got in bc we started running with players who aren't QBs. Give Haskins credit but do blame Barrett bc we abandoned the run game when he was in. Don't blame Barrett for a Def that couldn't tackle in the 1st quarter.
You keep forgetting to mention the running game opens up because when a defense has to cover the entire field because of an actual passing threat. If you watched Cardale in 2014 this is very similar. No one in America is afraid or respects JT's arm. This is why our runningbacks suffer. You expect our offensive line to clear holes multiple levels each play? With Barrett in the game teams stack the box, and take away JK or Weber and want Barrett to keep on zone read, run draw, or throw. This has been the formula to beat Ohio State with Barrett at QB. Yea we will out talent our way to 10 wins just running QB draws and short one read passes, but you cant win it all unless you are balanced. With Haskins Ohio State is balanced. Not as good at zone read, but still effective because the backs arent running into stacked fronts.
These defenses had no history with Haskins to know he could hit the deep ball really. From garbage time? No... Defenses do know from many yeats experience that Meyer relies on his QBs legs probably to a fault. Why expect different? Haskins isnt that type of QB, Meyer cant lean on him in that way.
If you don't think Michigan wasn't aware that Haskins has a live arm going into this game you are foolish. In a game like this... the Game.. you prepare for everything. Anyone who has watched Ohio State play with Haskins in garbage time can see he has a live arm, confident throwing into tight windows, but not as effective running. Meyer won't need for Haskins to be anyone but who he is. Kevin Wilson will make Haskins look incredible in his offense the same way he did with Sam Bradford, same way he did with Sudfeld at IU.
The history was that first bullet to Mack for 23+ set the tone that Haskins had a gun and would use it - the announcers were even saying here comes a draw or a screen. He didn't have to throw deep the rest of the game.
Bro watch that play from the beginning it was a blown coverage from the beginning. Barrett didnt trust his eyes and hesitated then shook the defended n threw a horrible ball. Barrett had time to set his feet n make a decent throw. Yes we don't know if Haskins shakes that tackle. But chances are he throws that ball immediately trusting his eyes and arm like we've seen him do before. Haskins believes in his arm. He makes that throw regardless if feet are set or not
Haskins proved he could scramble and get out of pressure once on that long run then when he hit hill on a cross. He may never run for a 100 but that don’t mean he’s not athletic
I’m confident with either quarterback when we are utilizing the running backs and the Slobs are doing work. Haskins played a hell of a game and really did what was asked of him and threw some nice balls out there. After finding out about the whole sideline knee incident my hats off to J.T. as well. That was a gutsy performance and he made some really good plays as well.
Jack Tatum hates targeting penalties.
Well said SP - I like the way you laid that out
Thanks SL. I’m now retreating to the safety of the PL as this has seemed to cause quite the stir above.
Hope we get to see what the offense is capable with Haskins
YOu will. 2018 is just around the corner.
I don't understand why best player plays except for qb
Ya that guy who set all those records is awful.
It's not hard to set records when you start for 4 years at a position where typically no one starts for 4 years. Especially when you have better talent than the entire conference by a considerable margin.
And I don’t understand why you think you are in a better position than UrbanFrank Meyer to determine who the best players are. But please, tell me.
You have to be the saltiest buckeye fan in here, always looking to start some shit. Let it go. Go Bucks.
if JT is healthy, he is the starter. however, if he is not or if the offense stagnates, hopefully urban will give haskins a series or two to see if he can spark the offense. qb runs will not get the job done against wisconsin. their defense is aggressive and they fly to the ball. we need hit a couple of passes downfield in order to keep the honest.
If QB runs aren't working, they just need to stop calling QB runs.
I think Haskins looks a lot like JT, ability wise. The biggest difference when he went in is we ran first with the RUNNING backs. JT is a special player but they panic and trust no one but JT when the going gets tough.
Haskins is much further ahead of J.T. now as a passer and at reading coverage. Not all Barrett's fault due to coaching turnover. We ran first with the running backs because Michigan was forced to respect the pass. That is the difference you saw. It has everything with Don Brown knowing he couldn't key on the RB's and force Barrett to keep or throw. Once Michigan had to respect Haskins ability to throw the ball the offense opens up and the runningbacks have lanes. With Barrett we face a stacked box and try to run swing passes or crossing routes to back them off. Even when we do this the defense is still playing closer to the line of scrimmage, so Barrett hasn't been as effective running.
I think it had more to do with play calling than Don brown respecting a back up QB more than the B1G leader in passing touchdowns. This is the first look at Haskins in a game on the line setting and they aren't studying film on a back up that probably isn't coming in the game. That being said why would they key onot running backs when they know we aren't going to run them? Are you saying that Wilson and Day just assume that is going to happen so they through designed runs out the window because I don't think we seen one until half way through the second quarter. The answer is simple other teams know our coaches lean on JT, arguably the best to put on the scarlet and gray, when the team is down making them predictable. That's coaching and calling plays not a defense forced to respect the back up more.
I love JT. He is my starter. However if he is not 100% next week, I hope he is honest with the trainers and coaches and the coaches do not decide to start him anyway because they “really like” JT.
Agree ! If vertical passing game doesn’t exist Saturday it’s going to be a long day. Wisky runs the 3-4 better than anyone , their blitz packages are the real deal , def is why they are undefeated . Offensively , Watching their freshman RB makes me only regret not using J.K. more , because In my opinion he’s just as talented and should have just as many if not more yards this season . During The Game i was blown away that Dixon and Campbell were None factors . UFM is guilty of what most great coaches do in big games , they start to our coach themselves . We haven’t maintained an identity all season. Gotta credit Bucky for that , they are who they are and dare you to stop them. That’s what iwanna see
"Vitalum Vitalis "
Going to be able to design an offense around him next year that will be lethal.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Plus the game will slow down and when he picks and chooses his time to run - it'll be a wise decision.
Haskins played very well today. Ohio State's future is very bright at the QB position. He definitely put himself in the lead for next year's starting QB. If he has to play in the BIG Championship Game I know the coaching staff and JT will help to prepare him.
Haskins has such a gun for an arm. He hit everyone in stride today, especially on those mesh plays.
It says something that probably the worst ball he threw the entire time was actually the one he threw to Mack. He threw to the inside a bit, when he should probably have thrown to the sideline a bit more. Throwing it inside meant Mack would have to take a huge hit from the safety and still somehow hang on (which was an amazing play by Mack). Throwing it outside would have given Mack a tick or two to gather himself or run out of bounds instead of getting leveled by the safety just as the ball got there. Still, he hit Mack in stride and fit it into a really, really tiny window.
Compare the Bucks' situation at QB to TTUN's. Even behind Haskins, we've got Joe Burrow and Tate Martell.
The future looks very bright for this team at the most important position, Emory Jones or no.
A thing repeated will happen a third time.
Its alot hard to perfectly throw the back shoulder fade and alot harder to catch. It was a perfect throw for the situation at hand. Needed A first down. I'm sure the receiver is willing to take that hit at that point in the game. Oh yeah n in 4 years I've never seen Barrett make a throw like that
Go back and watch the Penn St game, he made the throws in tight windows. Not sure why he is not able to do that consistently or really at all other than that game. His hesitation to throw the ball is maddening and even worse is Urban's instance on calling 90% QB runs or read options which result in QB runs.
Really liking what I saw from young Simba. Very decisive throws and a rocket arm.
To beat top caliber teams we need to get defenses back to fearing our ability to pass. JK Weber will have way more room to operate
That's exactly how we won the title a few years ago... Defenses were forced to respect the threat of the deep passing game, which also opened up lanes for Zeke. I see this as fact
I hope I am wrong but I’m fearful of a surprise NFL departure from Weber. Hope he comes back, but with the run he has been on over the last couple games it might make his decision easier.
Well, shit. You're probably right.
I guess that means we need to pair up the Simba with Weber *this* year, while we have the chance.
Weber is gone. Pencil it in.
I think he needs to prove he can stay healthy. He's got the talent, but had much of his spotlight stolen by a true freshman. Coming back and playing with Haskins and a sleuth of good receivers would be a smart move for him IMO.
"Year for what?"
Haskins' gun definitely gives this team another dimension and defenses can't stack the box against the option runs. Throwing darts down the field will create huge running opportunities for Dobbins and Weber. If not next week, then next season this team is going to be nasty.
Fields of Dreams
JT went 2-1/2 Qrtrs was 3-8 for 30 yards (30 yards in the middle of the 3rd qrtr) and threw a god awful pass close to the end zone that should of been picked off - when he got hurt we were down 20-14..... Haskins was 6-7 for 94 yards in a qrtr and a half (that's right in a qrtr and a half) - after Haskins entered the game it was OSU 17-0 (and if the Fg connects it could of been 20-0)....so I am in favor of starting the young guy - but Urban is stubbornly loyal....either way I can wait til next year to see if Urban can change his spots and actually rely more on a downfield pass instead of the QB run....
"When he got hurt?????" You don't say. Think about what the greatest QB in OSU history did with a meniscus problem that happened JUST before the GAME STARTED. Scored with one good leg on a 20 yard run..threw two dropped passes, one without being able to follow through. #9 and #83 need to catch the ball. Hero....?? Tell the whole story..you are beginning to sound like the media.
That McLaurin drop is a 50/50 share with JT, that was a godawful throw on what should have been a walk-in touchdown. Terry had to come back to the ball leaping and got upended while catching it.
This is s team sport.
Jt saved the day with some scrambles for first down and :2 td’s responsible for.
Dwayne is really amazing though.
I don’t know how JT could play with a torn meniscus.
When my daughter played high school soccer a decade ago, half of her team had torn meniscus', and all finished the season. Some wore knee braces; others did not.
Point being: evidently movement is still possible with a torn meniscus, unlike a torn ACL. Im sure that it limits playing at 100% though.
I thought he looked great, but can I be the guy to start agitating for Burrow and Martell? Hey, they are the backup QBs, they have to be greater.
Success - it's what you do with what you've got. - Woody Hayes
Yes Rocket man. As soon as Haskins loses that is exactly where BUQB Guy will go. The allure of the back up is that he has never let you down, so he is always the most attractive option for some.
Kudos to Austin Mack for hanging onto that ball. I don’t think he came back into the game after that
..Til' we wobble in our shoes!
Might have been the play of the game. Great catch
It reminded of Smith-to-Gonzalez in 2005. While this one didn't (almost) end the game, it completely turned it.
Absolutely - well said - you know Gonzo was smiling on that play.
Regardless of who the QB is, can we please just give the ball to our RBs? It boggles my mind how we forget them at times.
I wasn’t sure if Haskins was ready for the moment, but good thing I’m not the coach. Kid played great and the future is bright. I actually was hoping Burrow got the first crack...boy I was wrong.
Not many were sure. We knew he was talented based on what we saw in mop up, but as many here pointed out, there was no pressure. This qualifies as a pressure situation, so good news is he seems to be able to handle that. JT was hurt and not at 100% the whole game. His comments about popping the knee in and out this year were revealing. Guy is an absolute warrior and gives his all for the team. We know he can play through pain, but Urban will have to make a tough decision depending on severity of injury.
The team won today. The team will play next week.
If we continue to run the ball well, the QB situation is not as critical.
Feeling good about Wisconsin.
Job well done Dwayne Haskins
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
I hope Trevon Grimes comes back next season to catch lasers from this cat.
I hope Trevon Grimes comes back
This, so bad.
Haskins played a great game. I feel like th o-line play picked up a lot when he came in.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
After Haskins came in they couldn't load the box anymore. Safety's backed off into 2 deep coverage. Made the slobs blocking assignments much easier to identify.
amazing what a passing threat does to compliment a run game. Balanced offenses have been effective since the 1970's.
You really think because he hit one down field throw they couldn’t stack the box (other throws were crossing routes). Common man.
All I can comment on is what I saw on the field.
What's telling is when they zoomed in on his face, he reminded me of Cardale. Cool as a cucumber. Didn't look nervous or shook up.
Haskins is Jones2.0
Here is a quote from MGoBlog that says it all as to how they feel. I love it although as a Browns fan it is painful.
NOW I get it. NOW I know what it's like to be a Cleveland Brown's fan.
Let's Go Bucks
Haha! I love their pain. But hey, as a Buckeye, at least you get to experience how we Steelers fans usually feel, at least until New England rolls through. ;)
"when he connected with his roommate, Austin Mack, on a 27-yard throw between double coverage."
Play of the game and game ball to Mack, A nice timeout though for UFM for allowing that camera person near the bench to nick up J.T.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
Forget it all. I'm done justifying, apologizing, qualifying, and generally making nice on the topic.Dwayne Haskins is the better QB, and has been all year, IMO. The niceties over for me. When Haskins entered the game, it was the deathknell for UM, and I could only think of one thing.
Now you'se can't leave. (Violence and bad language Ahoy!)
When Haskins entered the game the playcalling changed...we went back to the basics.
And DH has played quite a bit this year and has looked like a young QB not yet ready to play many times(it's funny how we forget those games), meaning he was not the better QB(yet). Thankfully, and to his credit, he played with poise and confidence today.
Admittedly, I was not 100% certain that he had the heart of a killer competitor, such as JT, but I was and am, willing to roll with his talent. We learned a ton about his competitevness this afernoon. I appreciate JT very much, and will always think highly of him. Gotta open up the playbook however, either now or later.
where was that killer competitor against Clemson?
Seven yards deep in the backfield, on his ass, and covered with a bunch of orange jersey's. Next question, please.
Lol lol beavis I love your comments. Totally agree. Clemson's safety straight up called out Barrett before the game how did he respond? By puckering up and under throwing every big ball we needed lol
I’ll reserve final judgement for one the snap count is posted but I don’t understand why McClaurin continues to play a ton of snaps and guy like Dixon go the whole day without s target. Understand he is a great guy but he simply can’t make a contested catch. He is the only wide receiver I have zero confidence in catching a 50-50 ball.
Honestly, I feel the same way about Victor. I know everyone loves his size and he has had some moments this year but he hasn't consistently made catches this year when challenged. He dropped a crucial one against MU. He plays a bit soft and doesn't seem very athletic. His hype has been overrated to me. I'd love to see him be great but he has been an average WR on a very average WR group at TOSU.
Doesn't seem athletic?
Yeah, he doesn't blow by by anyone, is not shifty, and struggles to catch contested balls, did you care to eloborate or just gonna say, wow?
Urban has worn JT blinders for 4 years. If you didn't see it this game then I don't know what to tell ya. The JT backers have used the same 2 excuses the last 4 years--play calling or the WR can not separate. The last 4 years we have had more talent then any team in college. You can argue Clemson and Alabama and it is close but the talent at tOSU has been better. JT is a system QB with unbelievable talent surrounding him. His stats should be incredible and they are. In the last 4 years we have played for 1 national title with the best talent in the country. At the minimum we should of played for at least 2 and probably 3. tOSU wasted 23 players drafted the last 3 years and probably another 7 or 8 this year with a QB who performed above expectations in 1 game against good teams.
For you JT lovers I don't blame the kid he played his butt off and was a great Captain for tOSU. I blame Urban for not seeing the truth that was right in front of him. That is why Saban is a better coach.
Exactly. Its painfully obvious he handicaps the offense with no anticipation or arm strength. He beats bad teams n can't move the ball they the air against athletic defenses.
JT was Urban's Tebow North and he will never give up the ghost, unless forced to, as he was today. Lo and behold, OSU scored 17 unanwered. [shrugs shoulders] What's left to debate at this point? It's just over, because it it's over, and that's that.
Technically, we played for 2 national titles and won 1. I do agree with your points on a broader level. We definitely should have been involved in at least 3 if not all 4 CFPs. Given the above, our record is not too shabby.
I'm really curious to see what happens with Burrow, it looks like Haskins will have the inside track to start next year.
What a clutch performance by Dwayne Haskins! Let the legend of Dwayne Haskins begin. Totally agree that the play calling was much better when Haskins was in the game. The play calling was garbage early.
J.T starts next week if he's healthy but that doesn't make me any less hyped for a Haskins led offense next season.
Haskins made the whole offense more effective, and more involved. He is clearly the choice of a coach who wants to win more than anything else. So expect Meyer to start Barrett against Whisky.
Theire is only one truth...
Urban Meyer = 33, J.T. Barrett = 33, Cameraman = 33..... Illuminati confirmed. Masons gonna Mason!
Exactly you could see how much more hyped the receivers were when Haskins came in. Making plays playing with an edge. Sad to say but Barretts misses and lack of giving his reciever a chance to make a play in one on one coverage kinda seem to suck the life out of the wr core. Just my opinion
It doesn't help when we call virtually all QB runs or read options which ends up being a QB run. JT is not a great runner and even worse as a thrower but he is a great leader which can't be discounted.
The future is bright in Columbus. Cant wait to see Ruckert. Victor, Mack, Grimes, Dobbins and Haskins on the field at the same time!
JT’s weakness as a QB is his consistently underthrown balls. He throws at the receivers as opposed to where they’re going to be. As a receiver, you’re constantly on the move to get open. You would expect proper coaching to improve this area. It just hasn’t happen.
In addition, he’s a dual-threat QB w a heavy lean towards the running part of the dual threat. Instinctively, he’ll take off. This has compounded the problem of not waiting and finding open guys downfield when you take into consideration the first point above.
You add on top of that not one but two elite RBs, and all of a sudden, the odds of not having a coherent offensive philosophy go way up. All of this creates potentially a headache and confusion on the play calling. Sometimes having too many good choices create paralysis. And thus our erratic offensive play calling and results.
Very well said. He never throws with anticipation in one on one coverage
JT’s weakness as a QB is his consistently underthrown balls. He throws at the receivers as opposed to where they’re going to be.
I agree, but it makes his Penn State performance that much more astonishing. In that game, he anticipated receivers and consistently hit them in stride. It's like he has some mental block that prevents him from doing it in most games. The ability is there, though.
I really think the PSU game happened because we were so far behind and in a no lose situation. We had no choice but to throw - and I give JT credit - he did an amazing job - which also makes nearly all of the other games against top teams head scratchers. He has the ability - it's like he has the yips or something. A broken ankle,, and three different position coaches and a QB controversy may do that to a person.
Next couple years sure look bright offensively - Haskins, Dobbins, all those young wideouts.....good grief......
"I love all my receivers, but I definitely have a special connection with Austin, so I mean, we had to make a play and it was one-on-one, and I’ll take my boy any time,"
This is the kind of attitude that I feel like even J.T. was lacking under the Tim Beck lead offense and Tim Beck coached QBs. I'm glad we've taken it back this year (even if it took a few games) with Ryan Day and Kevin Wilson.
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Hate to say it but if JT is our QB I don't really want to make the CFP - can't take another 31 point beatdown by Clemson...or Iowa...or Oklahoma.
Moose, after watching the games yesterday, I always hold out hope of getting in, but I think we would have problems with Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, and OK. Lets beat WI and see what happens.
I’m glad I’m not Urban today. He’s honestly facing the toughest coaching decision I’ve ever seen in my life..
Ohio State literally probably needs to drop a 30/40 point beating on Wisconsin to tip the CFP scales in their direction. And I just don’t think Barrett has that kind of game in him the way he’s currently playing.
Haskins undoubtedly is the better passer. He sees the field better. He has confidence in what he’s seeing and delivers the ball accurately without hesitation.
But can you bench the statisticaly best QB in OSU history?
I think it’s the right choice, but man that’s an absolutely gut wrenching choice for everyone involved..
If Barrett is ready he's playing. No question. But can't wait for Haskins next year.
Amazing how edsall was fired at Maryland. Haskins doesn't go there and we get coach Stud who helps bring Prince and Haskins.
I wanna know if JT is lets say 85 percent healthy, do you start Haskins? I think you do. Everyone is talking about experience and leadership, yes it matters but a good game plan is even more important. Frohm is a Frosh and watch what UGA does with him. They attack defense with a power run game and allow Frohm to Pick his spot in play action. I’d like to see us use that type of game plan.. Haskins isn’t going to kill you I’m the option game, but we can be more varied in our run game; counters, traps, draws and etc. bundle that with RPOs and play action and I think we have a recipe for succes against a tough Wisky Defense