That damn Saban can't do anything right.
Ya lose us a ballgame and by God I'll throw ya off the squad.... W.W. Hayes
Well in a positive note we beat ttun and with Tenn. Losing today the buckeyes are the only team never too have an 8 game losing season. Plus will have 3 wins over top 15 teams if we pull it off next week bama 0. So stay tuned
Ha for sure. Chances are Oklahoma / Clemson or Miami / Auburn or Georgia / Bama are in the final four. I'm not a statistician but my gut feeling is the bucks have maybe a 10% chance of getting in even if they hammer Wisky and that's a big if. If the bucks win out will still be a heck of a season that 98% of the fan bases out there would be thrilled with.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Checkout that website to play with the projections. It's really cool. It basically looks like Georgia or Auburn winning the SEC is a toss up between Bama and us to get in now. I'd guess the committee picks Bama despite them beating nobody this year. The Clemson Miami stuff is kind of a wash too. However, there's almost an 80% chance of us getting in if TCU can somehow beat Oklahoma next week, believe it or not. Basically, go Horned Frogs.
Great info Xyzner thanks for sharing!
Love yesterdays win, but we don't want no part of the playoffs this year.
That's right, that's right, we bad
Yes we do. Every damn year.
Meanwhile, Alabama's best win came against a Mississippi State team that just lost to Ole Miss for its fourth loss this season.
Actually - LSU is their best win. (At least - now it is :-)
"Give your dream an aspiration date."
Best win is LSU... I guess Alabama has that in common with Troy.
This!! You can NOT compare the OSU team from last year to Alabama team this year. OSU lost in the middle of the season, not the last game of season. OSU had some high quality wins against Oklahoma and Michigan. Alabama has none. People are saying Alabama is out. At least if committee has any integrity. If they put 2 in from one conference, you will see a movement arise very quickly to go to an 8 team playoff. You can't leave out 2 conferences without consequences.
I like the way you think Roman
Whatever. Beat Wisconsin.
Fortune favors the bold.
Silly that people are forgetting Wisconsin even if they lost to OSU. If Alabama is still in consideration after the non championship loss on their last game of the season, then so should Wisconsin by their logic. What, Wisconsin you say? Well, they obviously don't deserve it people would say, Alabama is just as ridiculous. Both losing their last must win games. Assuming the OSU win of course.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
At this point it’s who’s the bigger name. If we win against the badgers.
The commitee is going to have to start keeping a record of precedence set by them. It’s starting to get silly.
Does the committee put 2 teams from the same state into the playoffs over the Big Ten Champ? Doubt it
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If Auburn wins the SEC, absolutely. If I'm on the committee, I'm taking 1-loss Bama over 2-ugly-loss OSU B1G Champ. Best scenario is for Oklahoma to lose the Big 12 title game now. There's still hope!
CFP is all about making money though. They'd be slashing their market size by 25% If they put 2 teams from a small state like Alabama in.
When two of the games are in ATL and NOLA....within 5-6 hours from each school...not really. I want everything to get in...but unless Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Clemson lose...we aren't in...not gonna happen. Or if we beat Wisconsin 65-0.
Would 59-0 do?
Most of the money generated by the playoffs is not coming from ticket sales. ;)
That's right! About 70% or more comes from ad revenue.
Well ND is out, so that helps
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I wouldn't be shocked to see the committee put Bama over us in the least. HOWEVER.... they haven't beaten anyone. Their best win, who was frankly probably only ranked 14th to make Bama look good, just lost their 4th game. Their next best win is #18 8-3 LSU who's playing A&M tonight. After that it's Fresno State. Their schedule is pitiful and the only good teams they played against they did not look good at all.
I agree with you. The committee chairman talked about Wisconsin’s strength of schedule and that they had no quality wins. And they were punished accordingly. If they are going to hold true to those reasonings then they have to drop Alabama according to those standards used against Wisconsin. Their non conference schedule is laughable and they should pay a high price. Seems like the SEC gets a pass on scheduling cupcakes while other conferences are playing league games.
Sadly this has been true for many years
Why? Ohio State wil finish with 2 top 5 wins. Alabama's highest ranked game is number 6 Auburn spanking them.
ESPN metrics are fake news. They are still in the business of promoting the SEC.
Sorry but Bama's resume just won't stack up to OSU's if we beat a top 3 Wisconsin and nab a BIG Ten Championship
The problem with that thought is that I am not sure Wisky will be ranked top 4 despite being undefeated. It will be interesting.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
If whisky isn’t top 4 being undefeated than we have no chance and this whole system was rigged from the beginning.
When in doubt... Muck Fichigan
Oh, GIVE ME A BREAK!
I am soooooooo sick of this knee-jerk blathering lack of examination narrative.
Alabama has beaten 1 ranked team.... 1, a bad LSU team.
If all you want to do is yap about record then UCF should be a LOCK.
If the Buckeyes win out they will have beaten 3 top 15 teams and have played 3 top 10 teams. If you just want to toss out record and quality wins then we should stop scheduling tough OOC teams.
You WIN with people.
Lack of examination narrative? Your examination is lacking the things that matter most - losses. The Iowa loss, when coupled with the OK loss, is the deciding factor. Bama didn't lose to an Iowa-quality team. They lost to an Oklahoma-quality team.
Losses don't matter most. Committee cares much more about what good teams you beat. It's why Clemson and OU are ranked above Wisky right now despite their losses
31 point losses to unranked teams do.
Ohio State has 3 top 40 wins. Clemson and Notre Dame have live 6-8. So does USC. . . .
Isn't Michigan top 40 too? That would make four if we win next week, psu, msu, um, and wiscy.
I think Oklahoma winning helps us.
losses against #1 and a scrub,
two top ten wins, 1 top 15 win.... not a bad resume....
bama has a shit resume. Best win LSU who is maybe a top 15???? (They are trash and will lose tonight).
Edit: yes Bukirob.... we actually have a pretty solid argument, with one good loss and 3 great wins.
To alabamas one decent win and one good loss.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Nope. OK still gets in over OSU - identical records with a head to head 2 TD victory on the road.
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You're reading it wrong. He's assuming OU gets in ahead of us. He's saying OU winning helps our resume against Bama for the 4th spot. Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma, (OSU vs Bama)
Idk why so many dv's. I think your correct
I get that Ohio State getting rocked by Iowa is pitiful. But, Bama's resume is less than stellar. I think they get picked as the 4 seed too but if it were any other team than Bama, they'd be eliminated. 8 game conference schedule, bad OOC schedule, and no wins over a ranked team except LSU when it's all said and done.
It's Bama... they'll get in on name alone.
Was just going to write this. I don’t see how Bama is left out with one loss, to Auburn. Even though they have beaten nobody, they are Bama, and have been great for quite a while. They get in on reputation, just like OSU did last year.
We at least had the win against Oklahoma last year. Bama doesn't have any wins of that caliber this season. I really think that was the only reason we got in last year.
I am so sick of people saying this. Osu had three top ten wins and a top ten loss last year. We did not get in on reputation, we had a very good resume.
Nick Saban said a non-champ should not get in. Of course, that was not this year...
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no f’n way bama gets in if we win next weekend. see 2015 when we were defending champs w 1 loss by 3 points and didn’t get to defend our title.
Circumstances are different. None of the teams that made it in 2015 had two losses.
That's a good point. The schedules are probably comparable too.
Not even close. Alabama has 1 ranked win. LSU. If the committee keeps a 4 loss Miss State team ranked they need to disband the committee and use another methodology for ranking teams.
Conversely, OSU has 3 top 15 ranked wins.
The committee wants to encourage teams to play tough schedules. They will reward good, quality wins over cupcake schedule.
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Don't usually talk like this but I calling it:
Georgia in. Georgia beats Auburn. Auburn then has 3 losses and Auburn beat Bama. Committee can't put in Auburn and because Auburn beat Bama (and Bama's weak schedule), committed won't take Bama.
Clemson beats Miami. Clemson in.
Oklahoma beats TCU. Oklahoma in.
Ohio State beats Wisconsin. Ohio State in.
4. Ohio State
We will play Clemson in New Orleans
Georgia plays Oklahoma in Pasadena.
Ohio State and Bama are first two out and play each other.
Not to be a pessimist but we're done unless some wild shit happens. Bama is in. Complain about their lack of wins all you want but they didn't get dominated by an average team. It sucks bc Bama 2017 is essentially osu 2015 except with different ramifications based on the rest of the field.
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Sad but true .
Yep, really sad but true. Who would have thought just making the Iowa game closer might matter so much
Infantry, it wasn't so much about making the Iowa game a close loss; jeez, it was about BEATING Iowa.
Ya, but really strange things happen at kinnick. No shame in getting upset there, it’s happened to PSU and TTUN numerous times. All I have heard from the national media is we should be out no matter what because we got BLOWN OUT..
The real villain in this tragedy is Kirk Ferentz . Talk about us being Jekyll and Hyde , the put 44 on Iowa State , can barely score 20 for most of the season, put close to 60 on us , then lose at home to Purdue , then wrap it all up by dropping close to 60 on Nebraska . I guess we'll be careful about mocking all those coy' s he's won in the future .
If Oklahoma wins out, we have a loss to the number one, and a poor loss on the road, but wins vs penn state (top ten), msu (top 15) and possible number 2 wisc... plus a conference champ....
it shall be interesting
Not the same really. Bama wouldn't win their conference and only have one loss like we did but in 2015 we beat #11 team up north on the road. Bama won't have a top 20 win this year at all...
Lsu is 18th.
LSU is a joke. They lost to Troy. Lol
I understand.. I just thought I'd point that out. They are technically ranked, though I agree with you.
For now.. but good call..... they could lose to A&M though..
Of course, as another relevant data point, that 2015 team also looked pretty iffy most of the year. Bama doesn't have any elite wins (heck, if LSU loses to Texas A&M, it's possible they won't have a single ranked win!), but they were cruising handily most of the year. The committee has been pretty consistent and open about the fact that the 'eye test' and 'game control' do matter.
Do they matter more or less than Ohio State's much better resume of wins and conference title (but extra blowout loss to 7-5 Iowa)? I don't know and I seriously doubt that anybody outside the committee's conference room right now can honestly say they're fully confident in how the various factors stack up.
But also don’t forget, we finished the season at #7. The committee had two loss PAC 12 champ Stanford and Iowa still ahead of us before we beat ND in the fiesta bowl.
Yep...because we beat nobody in 2015 until we beat a so so Michigan team.
It shows there is some precedence for ranking a 2 loss conference champ over a one loss non-conference champ. Our schedule lacked quality wins in 2015 similar to Bama this year. We lost the game we needed to win (MSU) just like Bama lost the game they needed to win this year (Auburn).
It sucks bc Bama 2017 is essentially osu 2015 except
Why this system will fail. Impossible to sustain a system where this happens. No definitive criteria and the entire world is guessing what the committee thinks. We are playing a game in which no one knows the rules and possible rules are applied unevenly.
Yep. Seems to me the rule is Bama goes as long as the committee won't look terribly terribly foolish with someone they left out to do it. It is the same beauty contest it has always been just now with more contestants.
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
Bama 2017 is essentially osu 2015 except with different ramifications based on the rest of the field.
I see where you went with it, but OSU 2015 is arguably the best roster college football has ever assembled. OSU has horrible coaching issues only - nothing wrong with the team. And OSU was bored all season long. OSU would've steamrolled the playoffs had they got in, Bama has injury issues and personnel problems at the moment.
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Dude, what? Those Miami teams in 2001-2002 were unbelievable. We're not just talking NFL players, we're talking multiple pro bowlers and three Hall of Famers.
That's why I said arguably. The only teams in the discussion is that Miami team, and you could probably argue USC and Bama. But 10 guys drafted in the 1st 4 rounds, followed by another handful the following year, you can't tell me That Ohio State team isn't in the discussion.
In any case, Bama's team this season doesn't compare to the 2015 Buckeyes as much as people think.
All going to be where Bama is ranked this week. If it's #5 Bama is done imo.... Guessing.
8. Ohio State
You end up with 3 play-in games. ACC, B10 and SEC. Bama gets in if TCU beats Oklahoma...
I wouldn't be shocked if they slotted Alabama in at #3. Anyone else who loses (besides Clemson) drops around 7 spots
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Just throw any semblance of thinking right out the window with your rankings.
Clemson (should they win) will have beaten an 8-4 team vs OU beating a 7-5 WVU team. And Clemson is currently ranked ahead of OU
4. Auburn (could argue to flip Wisconsin with Auburn though)
7. Ohio State
We need to be fans of Auburn. A Georgia win hurts us big time.
If you place any value on Nate Silvers projections a Georgia win puts Alabama in over us. We also want Clemson to beat Miami that gives us a wider margin over Alabama.
In a less likely outcome a TCU upset of OU would move us up to likely the #3 slot in the CFP
i have to disagree...we should be rooting for Oklahoma and Georgia.
Oklahoma win would improve our sos and 1 loss would be a high quality loss.
A Georgia win devalues ALABAMA's high quality loss, into just a good loss.
Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia and (osu/wisc) is only scenario where OSU get's into the playoff.
If Auburn win's (and OSU wins) Alabama is in.
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We just beat Michigan... Again. I choose to enjoy this for now.
Yes. Let the hate flow through TTUN. While we wallow in our shoes.
You can wallow in your shoes but I choose to wobble in mine.
I see what you did there. Thanks for the correction. Go Bucks!
I guess we should start scheduling Mercer if the Oklahoma loss is that crucial.
How about not losing to Iowa? lol
If we played an 8 game conference schedule like the SEC it’s entirely possible that we wouldn’t even play Iowa. I’d like to see the committee reward an 9 game conference schedule. Instead they’ll probably reward the 8 game SEC by putting in two teams. Craziness.
A win is a win. Bama scheduled Florida State, who was supposed to be legit. Let's not pretend UNLV is a world-beater.
We did not play UNLV in the middle of crunch time. And "supposed to be" ain't diddly.
No, but we did play Illinois the same week, and they might be a hair better than Mercer. And next time maybe the people doing the scheduling should be able to foresee that the preseason #3 FSU team was going to be pretty bad, actually. Not trying to defend Bama, just pointing out the flawed logic here.
If you cant tell the difference between scheduling Mercer as an OOC opponent at the end of the season and playing a conference foe then you need to just stop commenting.
Mercer is FCS team that alone should cause you to lose points. Secondly, Mercer is a BAD FCS team with a 5-6 record.... UNVL is better than a bad FCS team and if you think otherwise you are an absolute dingbat.
You are correct that Alabama did schedule a quality team in FSU, unfortunately, FSU has sucked this season and you don't get credit for scheduling a historically good program if they suck. Doesn't work that way.
You want to penalize OSU for losing to a top tier OU and give points for Alabama beating a 5 win FSU team. IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. No matter how hard you try and spin this, Alabama has 1 win against a ranked team a 3 loss LSU team.
The guy I replied to was talking about scheduling only, which is why I mentioned FSU as it's not like Bama is shying away from scheduling quality opponents. You are right that UNLV is better than Mercer, but you know what both equal regardless of which terrible team is better than the other? An easy win.
I never said anything about penalizing OSU for losing to OK, where are you even coming up with this? I'm penalizing OSU for losing handily to a bad Iowa team, and yeah, when you couple that with the OK loss (since you can't just ignore it, unfortunately), it's gonna hurt even worse.
FSU ended up not being a quality opponent
Neutral site game in Atlanta. Nick doesn't play away games other than sec. Bama is very average.
Losing to Oklahoma didn’t doom us. Neither did losing to Iowa.
Losing to BOTH of them was the issue.
According to 538 we have a better chance to get in the playoff than Alabama does if we win out. Could have really helped us out if they didn’t choke.
By like 2%? That's a computer. The computer doesn't factor that it's Bama and their name alone helps. It doesn't factor in that we lost 31-0 to Clemson last year and even if the committee will deny that last year mattered, it does.
Bama didn't choke. They were just vastly overrated, as alot of us here suspected. Auburn would beat them again
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I don’t know the committee’s thinking. But putting Alabama in at this point, I just can’t see it. THEY HAVE NO GOOD WINS!! I hear all the talking heads saying “well Alabama is obviously one of the four best teams by eye test”. How do you really know though, they just got borderline ran off the field by the only good team they’ve played all year.
I watched the whole game and they failed the eye test. Lots of mistakes, lack of discipline, and generally poor play. Surprised as Saban teams not known for beating themselves. This was their last opportunity to impress by actually beating a team with a pulse and they failed miserably. If the committee thinks that is passing the eye test then they need a new eye chart.
I agree! Watched it as well and after the two snaps when the QB wasn't ready that sent the ball flying past Hurt, I just thought to myself, if this had been OSU in this situation, we would be calling for Urban's head! I mean Bama just looked like it didn't know what it was doing half the time.
Beat the Badgers. Win the B1G. Then take what comes, regardless. I'd be more passionate about this topic had we not completely shit our pants against Iowa.
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Yeah with a loss to OK I’d feel we have a legit gripe but with a loss to Iowa and a bad one late in the season? Well that’s a problem.
I agree - it's hard to be too upset if we get left out when Ohio State has arguably the most baffling loss of any serious playoff contender. I mean, I hope we make it because this team playing well really can play with anybody...but I can't really be outraged when they got blown out by a team with a sub-.500 conference record.
Also, without that loss to Iowa, this wouldn't even be a discussion - Ohio State was #6 pre-Iowa and that was before half a dozen other Top 10 teams all took losses. A 12-1 Ohio State would be a cold-hard lock for the playoff - the only real debate would be over slotting compared to Oklahoma, Auburn/UGA, or Miami/Clemson (probably ends up at #2 or #3, depending on what happens elsewhere and how they value various factors).
Yes, it complicates things for the Buckeyes....It's always fun to see Saban lose though! Go Buckeyes!
Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!
Alabama's best win is against a four loss Miss St. At some point, that committee has to recognize they are ranking this years Alabama team, not from years past
They were losing that game midway through the 4th quarter. I'm fine if tOSU doesn't make it. I'm not fine if Bama makes it.
Sadly, I'm also fine with TOSU not making it. They just don't seem to have it this year and have not played consistently.
Personally I dont care. We beat Michigan and still could win the conference next week. Only have ourselves to blame if left out. O-H
Fuck Bama. They got their asses handed to them honestly. They were not winning that game. I keep hearing the committee values big wins over losses...see Clemson...but I bet they change their tune when Alabama has no big wins.
Calling it - OSU vs Bama in consolation bowl
How could that really happen? Im assuming at this point, its either them or us in playoffs. Im thinking osu vs usc or possibly another ND matchup.
I don’t think either one of us should be in the playoff? I guess that’s what I’m saying.
Wisconsin wins the Big 10 championship game and it’s reasonable it could happen... not what I’m hoping for though
Oh yeah very true. Guess im just very zeroed in in an osu win there.
yeah pretty sure that won't happen
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
This bowl would get a better rating than either playoff games
Yep! We could go to the Peach Bowl - same site.
Beat Wisconsin. Badly. 59-0 badly. Or worse. Ohio State must show, with whomever is at QB, that they are very dominant. Beating the brakes off of a top 3 team in a conference championship will be as good of an argument as can be made.
YES! Everyone is so locked up on records right now. Sometimes it’s also how you win! Beat a top 4 team really bad in a conference championship game and see and consider one of your loses was to a top 4 team and I’d take that team over a bama who hasn’t beat anyone relevant.
Just beat Wisconsin. By a lot. All aboard the Dwayne Train.
For better or for worse - Barrett will probably play next week.
I have been sceptical about Ohio State's playoff chances without Bama winning out. I think that without maybe a Clemson loss tonight, we are done. I've come to terms with it.
We beat our rivals. Now win the B1G championship and get a good bowl game and head into next year with momentum.
DBU? LBU? You can keep those. The Ohio State University is 9unitsU.
I agree with this 100%. I'd love to make the playoffs and have a chance at a Natty, but I'm ok with winning a big ten title, and winning a big bowl game.
12-2 and a top 10 ranking ain't all that bad
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I wanna get it, but if we don’t, we have only our performance at Iowa to blame. We beat Michigan, we can win the B1G and let the chips fall where they may.
Mississippi State is their only quality win. They also won’t be playing next weekend and they just lost. Not saying it’s a sure thing but it’ll be hard to put them in with 0 wins over ranked opponents. We lost to Penn State last year a missed the title game but we had two quality wins over top 10 teams.
Actually three. OU, TTUN and UW all FINISHED THE REGULAR SEASON IN THE top 10. Bama’s resume this year doesn’t even come close to that, and having to hear those comparisons is going to be nauseating
Kevin, the Tide also beat a 3 loss LSU team.
i really hate 2 teams from any 1 conference given there are 5 major conferences.. but Bama is in..
only chance we have is
1. TCU wins BIG over OU... even w/ OU win over OSU, committee isn't picking OU in this case.
2. OSU prob get in over TCU .. in my view.
This is only chance...
even if Clemson loses tonight but beats Miami, it is in over OSU.. if Miami wins over Clemson, Miami is in...
Bama on resume does NOT deserve playoff spot... but our loss to Iowa will be the song that media and comittee members will echo over and over..
We’ll see, but I don’t think putting OSU in last year is necessarily precedent for Bama this year. PSU finished 5th so OSU replaced the conference champion from the same conference. The committee would be leaving out 2 conference champions this time to put Bama in.
No. OSU's two losses hurt OSU's chances. Rightfully so.
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Are some point though, 2 loss teams are going to make the playoff moving forward.
True. But we still can’t be stunned if we get left out in favor a one loss team.
Its not about the 2 losses, its HOW we lost.
I don't care about the playoff today. I'm basking in *ichigan's misery and another Buckeye victory. In addition, Ohio State getting its doors blown off at Iowa and getting soundly beaten, at home, by OU will haunt them... and it probably should. I do agree that Alabama getting in, after playing no one all season and getting beaten today and looking bad in the process, would be a bad, BAD look, but I'm CERTAIN that Alabama fans (and others) were saying the exact same thing about OSU last season... the offense was absolutely abysmal, they failed to qualify for the B1G title game, and everyone outside of those of us with blinders on KNEW they were gonna get smoked by whoever they competed against in the playoff because they simply could not move the football. I know that in 2017 the only thing that matters is winning a national title, but that isn't the only thing that should matter. Winning the B1G is a BIG deal. Beating *ichigan, at *ichigan, with a redshirt freshman QB after your senior quarterback goes out of the game in the third qtr is a big deal. Winning ten games, to this point, is an accomplishment. That the Buckeyes have at least two games remaining, as of this moment, is exciting. I LOVE college football... but the seasons were even more enjoyable than they are now when conference titles and Rose/major Bowls were appreciated for the huge accomplishments that they are. Just beat Wisconsin, win the B1G championship, and let the rest take care of itself, because in all honesty, if OSU gets left out they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Agree, I felt like a damn pervert cheering for Alabama and when it looked like they were going down my heart felt good...Bama and SCum lost...all is good tonight.
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The committee process will seal it's own fate.
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
All this chaos above us this week, but they'll all be ranked ahead of us still :(
Assuming Clemson and ND win we'll still be #9 in the CFP poll. Ugh. Wrong chaos!
Not sure people are understand some things here. They will have 0 ranked wins. Miss St is about to be out as their only big win. OSU would have three top 15 wins and a loss to a top team. We have a much tougher schedule. The committee is going to punish Bama for having a weak schedule and scheduling fcs opponents. That’s a huge factor. I get that they are Bama but numbers don’t lie. There’s no eye test needed. They have played garbage teams and that’s gonna bight them. They don’t deserve it. Get rid of the FCS weak and maybe they would be in. With a weak schedule, ask the Big 12 how the whole weak schedule thing works. You can’t afford to lose when you have a weak schedule.
They have LSU. It is BS they are in the top 25 after losing to Troy, but let's cheer for A&M.
They would probably just rank both A&M and LSU if A&M won.
A 12-1 Wisconsin should get in over an 11-1 Bama. Wisky's best wins are 9-3 NW and 8-4 scUM. Pretty damn comparable to Bama's wins, and they have an extra win.
Would Wisconsin be penalized for playing a losing a 13th game?
Actually think about that.. why isn’t Wisconsin ranked number 1? Bama was with the same resume practically. Miami was while undefeated with a slightly better resume. Ranked 2.
I don't know if Ohio State is in, but Bama should not be. They beat no one and they are clearly not the best team in the SEC this year. You can NOT put them in over a conference champion unless they are clearly better. They are not. I want Ohio State in, but as long as Bama doesn't get it, won't complain.
I'll be shocked if we get in over Bama. Not getting my hopes up. NOPE.
We were defending champs in 2015 and lost the one game we couldn't. Committee didn't seem to care much back then.
Bama lost the one game they couldn't. They failed to reach the conference championship game and shouldn't get in. We got in last year without making the conference championship and it was obvious we didn't deserve to be there; hopefully they learned from that mistake
There were also four deserving teams. The problem this year is you have three you could easily slot in and then a total crapshoot for the last one.
I feel like even if Clemson lost tonight there would still be people saying they should get in over us. They'll still get the benefit of the doubt without even returning the QB who won it for them last year.
We didn't get much respect in 2015. That team could have won another natty but instead just dismantled ND.
Our resume was awful in 2015. We didn’t beat anyone with a pulse.
That's probably why it felt like the team was sleepwalking the entire season. I guess I'm still not over it
I'm all about Alabama being called out for their schedule, but isn't LSU a quality win if Michigan is?
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Nobody is saying Michigan is a quality win? So let’s conpare last year and this years Bama. So we got in without playing a conference champ game. So 1. The manner we lost in. A blocked field goal returned for TD. It was about halfway in the season/ Bama loses last game of season in a bad way. 2. OSU had 3 top 10 wins. Bama has maybe 1-2 top 25 wins. 0 top ten. 3. Timing of the loss. The last impression of Bama is a defeat and that’s it. No champ game, nothing. That’s the lasting memory of Bama. Loss. And to put to rest, we would have 3 quality wins. All top 15 wins this year. The committee doesn’t care about “quality losses”. They like Big wins over bad/good losses. Schedule for last years osu team was one of the top. Bama has one of if not the worst in the top 25.
Nobody is saying Michigan is a quality win?
From the article:
In this scenario, Ohio State has more quality wins – Penn State, Michigan State, Michigan and Wisconsin – but two losses, one of which is much worse than Alabama's. Meanwhile, Alabama's best win came against a Mississippi State team that just lost to Ole Miss for its fourth loss this season.
Oh my bad I was just reading comments. I better look out my stupid is showing lol
I consider quality wins top 15 if not top 10 teams. Osu will have PSU and WISCONSIN if they win out and most likey MSU will be higher ranked than LSU and def MISS ST.
I don't disagree. Just pointing out that the article omitted mention of LSU, but included Michigan.
Committee has always said your wins matter and conference titles matter. Also the guidelines say if you don’t win your conference you must be clearly one of the top 4 teams. Can they say that about Alabama now? I don’t know.
In any event, beating Wisconsin and getting to play A USC or Georgia in a NY6 is not a bad ending for a season that didn’t go quite as planned.
BEAT WISCONSIN! Wisconsin is in if they win, I would think, so they should be fired up and we need to be ready for that. Nothing else matters until that next mission is accomplished.
I have no idea what’s going to happen now. But Bama losing is fun, and beating Michigan is even better. So this doesn’t spoil my mood.
If we dont get in the playoffs it’s our own fault, not Bamas. Don’t lose to Iowa.
I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.
Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan
Who cares. We beat our rivals.
Bama losing is great regardless if it hurts us. The committee might have their most difficult decision to date.
Not to be one of those pessimist fans, but losing by 31 to a crappy Iowa team is just inexcusable, fluke or not. Penn State had a similar blowout loss last year to a better team in Michigan and the committee still chose 1-loss non-champion Ohio State over them... an Ohio State team that they had beaten head to head.
I'm as skeptical of Alabama's resume as everyone else, but just going off of precedent Ohio State's chances are extremely slim. I'll be elated if they beat Wisconsin and get picked, but they only have themselves to blame for getting absolutely pounded by a terrible Iowa team.
Just more proof that four teams is not enough.
Four is fine. Win your games.
That would be okay if the picks were done by computer and not humans.
All of this is speculation, but don't pretend this is the same scenario as last year. The discussion wasn't us versus some other conference's champion. It was us or Penn State when our one loss was fluky. That means the conversation should be SEC Champ or 'Bama. And their one loss was definitely not a fluke. I think the best 4 champions get in this year, which could include us. We have better wins and a better loss (and a worse loss, admittedly) than 'Bama does. I think they know better than to do the '12 matchup crap again. Nobody watched and it killed the BCS.
Not good enough to be in.
1-loss, non-conf champ OSU made it into the playoffs over a 2-loss conf champ last year.
If we get left out in favor of bama, we got nobody to blame but ourselves.
Really difficult to rationalize that we deserve being invited again this year.
Beat whisky, win the B1G, and win a top-tier bowl game against a quality opponent... that's a damned good season right there.
Whatever happens, Go Bucks
Apples and Oranges..... OSU got in because they had a better resume than 2 loss PSU which we lost on a fluke play by 1 point on the road... Alabama has ZERO signature wins and FCS team on their pitiful resume and no chance to improve it... If OSU wins the the CFP comm. will have their hands full deciding...
2015 Ohio State was a very good, one loss team with no conference championship. The only loss was against Mich St where the Buckeyes did not trail in the game, but lost on a FG as time expired. 2017 Alabama is more comparable to 2015 OSU than 2016 OSU. Except that Buckeye team was good and never trailed. This Bama team was dominated in the fullest sense from start to finish, on the last game of the year. If Bama is in this years playoffs when that Buckeye team was left out, then this system is exposed for the subjective garbage it is.
Except that Buckeye team was good and never trailed.
I'm happy you mentioned that, because the '15 Buckeyes were so much better than Bama this year it's not even funny. The teams really couldn't be more different. Our coaching staff screwed up the '15 season, and the team never felt any motivation after the Va Tech revenge game...until they lost. And by then, it was too late.
Don’t forget bama had to come back to beat miss state to win it
And don’t forget 2-loss conference champion Stanford was ranked higher than the Buckeyes in the last CFP rankings in 2015.
If Alabama gets in, it’s on reputation because their resume doesn’t include any high quality wins.
I do not think we deserve to go to the playoffs this year, but how in the hell is this bama team any different than our 2015 team? We were out of the conversation immediately after the MSU loss.
The major difference is that all the teams that made the 2016 playoff had 1 or 0 losses and OSU had 1. This year one or multiple 2 loss teams would be going in ahead of 1 loss Bama. The biggest dig on Bama should be their schedule. They did what they had to do all year until now but if OSU wins the B1G title they will have 2 wins that are much better than Bama's best 2 and 2 that are just as good. To me thats the argument to make that those 2 big wins outweigh the extra loss.
That isn’t the issue. In 2015, didn’t need to get down to 2 loss conference champs or 1 loss non conference champs. Plenty of 1 loss or better conference champs to choose from.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye
OSU has only themselves to blame. I’d actually like to see Wisconsin get in and win the whole thing. Sorry.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
Yes you are.
I totally disagree.... Bama has a bad resume, one that includes an FCS team in Mercer..... They lost late and can't improve their resume with an SEC title.... OSU still will get to play a top 3 team in Wisky with a win under their belt this week against an above avg TTUN on the road.... Miami is out as well.... I believe the Bucks chances just improved.... Auburn going into the SEC game vs Georgia with a problem at RB now.... Hard to beat the same team twice in a year..... Just ask LSU....
GO BUCKS.... BEAT WISKY!!
Celebrate the win over TTUN.
Concentrate on preparing a dynamic game plan for Wisconsin, with a very good running back and a statistically excellent defense that, however, has so far this season faced only one FBS top 50 offense, non-Power 5 Florida Atlantic.
Can't control bowl game outcome, so focus on what can be controlled.
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Doesn't matter, had sex beat Michigan.
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And next Saturday, I ONLY care about beating Wiscy.
I absolutely don't care about the playoffs until there are no more games left.
I work in Ann Arbor, dudes (and dudettes) and I can't wait to go to work on Monday.
because it makes it more fun to watch other games with a rooting interest
do you really just sit back and look at the rankings at the end of the year with your head in the sand ?
when miami lost on friday did you not care even if it helped the bucks ? thats why watching that game was fun ?
It won’t mean a damn thing after we roll Wisconsin. Alabama will still be bragging on their last big win over Mercer. If Any one loss team will have a case for the playoffs it’ll be WISCONSIN!! SEC is hot garbage.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Bama is not getting in-no way in hell!!!!
They have 2 wins by teams in the top 25. Miss. State and LSU.
Miss. State lost to Ole Miss(5-7 team) Thursday night which left them at 8-4 on the season. probably not even top 25.
Bama's other marquee win was LSU. LSU lost to Troy. That is right Troy. LSU will not be top 15 next week.
Bama also played Mercer who is a nonFBS school(Div.2).
No way with a 11-1 record does that qualify you for a final 4 appearance.
When the Buckeyes went last year we had a very decisive win over Oklahoma on the road. Beat a decent Michigan and Wisconsin team(both 9-3) and lost to PSU on the road by one point.
Bama's resume is no where near what we did to get in.
Buckeyes are in if they beat a 12-0 Wisconsin team.
guys, what if GA beats AU next week?
then GA is in.
BUT.. committee cannot let AU (3 loss) or Bama (lost to AU) in as a 2nd SEC team? am i wrong?
if so, we need GA to win and TCU to win
On the other hand, Alabama and Auburn will have played, so a rematch is possible. Alabama and Georgia could just be matched in the semifinal.
Ya. If Georgia wins they obviously in BUT committee can't take Bama over Auburn and they won't take 3 loss Auburn.
I have never rooted for Georgia until next week.
Title hopes aren't dead yet but I feel like they are on life support.
I hope Urban and company are concentrating 100% on beating Wisconsin. That will not be easy.
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
A Sooner loss opens slots for both the Tide and the Buckeyes.
I don't see it that way. ACC champ/SEC champ/Oklahoma/Wisconsin locks Bama out, but if Wisconsin loses, do we get in over Bama? I really doubt it, and given what happened in Iowa, I don't see how anyone could make that case. Bama needs us to beat Wisconsin OR Oklahoma to lose. But we need Oklahoma to lose, period.
Of course, Clemson losing tonight would open up another avenue.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
This is a no win situation for the committee. If it were the other way and we were the one loss, no conf. champ with a weak schedule and Alabama were the team that got destroyed twice, we'd be going crazy too.
I know they shouldn't consider last year but the optics of our demolishing to Clemson last year can't help.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
Once you lose a game it’s out of your control. Stinks but you can’t complain. I’m just hoping to enjoy a conference championship next week and win a nice bowl. Anything beyond that is gravy.
Been saying it since the Iowa game - were going to end the season ranked 5th.
Love it or hate it that's how this season ends.
We've got to get to an 8-team playoff. The fact that we have 4 spots and 5 power conferences plus Notre Dame is a problem. Conference championships have to mean something. If too many Power 5 conferences get left out (and the potential for revenue), this 4 team experiment will be quickly gone...
Fear the Nut...
I've told people that there should be a WC game.. #5 plays #4.. to play #1
And if a three loss team wins their CCG they should get in? Eight is too many.
Eight teams enter. One team leaves.
I'm more worried about troy fumagalli than I am about any Playoff spot.
If you wanna make the playoffs, don't let Iowa embarrass your ass on national TV. Dont put your fate in another team's hand.
Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.
absolutely. the only reason bucks will even have a shot at playoffs is a lack of dominant teams this year. I think anybody could beat anybody as far as the top10 goes. going to be interesting to see those final standings.
If Bama gets in over OSU, message is schedule Mercer instead of 9th B1G game (Iowa). ESPECIALLY not with the B1G formula that prevents the top tier in either half from playing the bottom feeder of the other. I don't see the committee sending that message.
The committee had Clemson so high (esp vs Miami) in all their rankings because of who they beat, not who they lost to (or the fact they loss). That is important. The committee has one consistency and that is they value your wins over everything. So does the committee compare Alabama and Ohio State wins, or will they completely go against the criteria they set forth every other week this year? It will be interesting to see if the committee is consistent, or re-writes the rules every week as they see fit. What BS this entire system is.
when talking about bama next week, they'll also discuss how bama isn't playing that day. they'll also discuss how bama looked bad vs auburn. they'll also discuss how bama looked bad vs miss. st the week before. they'll also discuss bamas lack of quality wins and the 3 punching bags they pay to lose to them every year. yep. LOTS to talk about.
honestly, I don't see a single dominant team this year -so, I'd take conference winners this year because of that. but, who knows what that committee will do.
a lot can happen yet. and I don't think the committee will be anxious to EVER take 2 teams from one conference - it'll kill ratings.
here's the bigger issue for me as buckeye fan: am I the only one who thinks buckeye offense looks MUCH MORE DANGEROUS with haskins? I'm saying it - I hope Haskins gets the start next week.
If the committee believes as they say that the BIG is the best conference, how do you take two from the SEC at the expense of the B10?
If Clemson wins tonight, my guess is the top 10 looks like this:
9. Notre Dame
10. Penn State
If ND can beat Stanford tonight, not sure I see the committee moving ND behind us based on this week. Since Miami and Alabama lost but are likely ahead of us in the rankings (I agree) we are likely screwed even if we can beat Wisconsin.
Ohio State will be ahead of Miami come tues
i usually am pro Bama in any scenario but this year, i am not... they haven't played anyone... they played FBS team towards end of year while Big ten teams played each other... and their best win is LSU and MISS State - only 1 of these will be ranked top 20 at year end...if
LSU loses tonight, then none will be top 20.
sure we lost to IOWA... and that MATTERS.. but we would have beaten 2 top 10 teams - PSU and WI.. 1 other top 20 team in MSU...and 2 other 7-8 win teams- Army and TTUN... that's far better than Bama...
but of course Bama will prob get in.. partly b/c of our stinker last year against Clemson and this year's stinker against OU and IOWA...
sucks but unless TCU wins out.. we will not get in
Wouldn't be in this situation if we handled business against Iowa still pissing me off.
Noon games suck
Assuming someone has posted that “the answer is to increase the playoff field to 8 teams.” Just stopped by to tell those 8ers that they’re wrong. That cheapens the regular season too much.
Best option would be 6 teams: automatic bids to the P5 conference champs and an at-large for the highest ranked non-conference champ (Norte Dame, Group of 5, or a second P5 bid); Top two seeds get a bye.
Preserves the regular season, creates the opportunity for a “Cinderella” (out-of-nowhere conference champ upset), and the conference championships are de facto regional playoff games. Best of all worlds.
8 Is WAY too many 4 is probably too few but better than 8 6 seems perfect
Bucks are toast. If you don’t want to miss the CFP, don’t get waxed by 31 points by a bad football team. No way Bucks can, or should, jump Bama. SEC, ACC, Big 12 Champ, and Bama are in the field. If the coaches an manage a successful game plan next week, Bucks finish #5 (#6 if OK loses).
They’re playing spoiler to Wisc for now. It’s a disappointment, but no shame in finally winning the conference again and hopefully winning a NY6 Bowl. That can build momentum for next year.
OSU needs this to go, Clemson, OU, and Auburn winning out.
Then it will come down to how much value is placed on winning your conference championship and having a stronger ranked win profile but 2 losses vs NONE of those things but winning all but 1 game.
The problem Alabama will have is that most people would rank the B1G better than the SEC this year top to bottom.
In a bizarre way, OSU's poor showing last year could actually hurt Alabama's argument.
bama's quality loss could end up with 3 losses
I've accepted the fact that OSU is unlikely to make it to the playoffs, getting obliterated by Iowa should and will certainly have repercussions, but I will refuse to watch the playoffs if Bama makes it in (unless massive chaos ensues).
The difference between Bama this season and OSU last season is that OSU had three quality wins over top 10 teams, and lost on a flukey blocked field goal. Bama has beaten nobody good, and got outplayed, and quite frankly out-coached (gasp, Saban can get out-coached?) by the only good team on their schedule. Therefore, if Bama makes it into the playoff, then they're essentially being rewarded for having no quality wins.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
I don't want the playoffs. We don't need to get Clemsoned again, and this team will 100% get Clemsoned.
Take our consolation prize in a NY6, solidify our secondary (Sheffield and Arnette need some SERIOUS work in the offseason), and get ready to run a pro-style offense for next season.
Find a kicker that can kick, a punter that can punt, and someone to remind these guys how to tackle.
We'll make a run at the Natty next year, but as it sits right now we are neither deserving nor ready.
Just a couple of observations:
1. Similarities with PSU win.
- before the game, many people said PSU/Michigan was overrated and we would destory them.
- Emotional come from behind win... That makes you feel like it is a meaningful outside the Ohio State fanbase... On a bigger scale its a win, but you should not have need to come from behind.. and in alot of ways... you actually underperformed... rivalry or not.. michigan was an unranked team.
NOTE: as a fan... I love these games... but I get how it can also count against you...
2. Offensive performance minus 6 yards of offense in the first quarter.. and it looked as bad as it sounds... Committees discuss those things.
3. A QB who has not always looked good passing, and is 3-8 for 30 yards... and one of those is for 25 yards... A great way to gut out a win.. but not something a committee may want to show case.
4. Poor Tackling by the defense... hopefully that doesnt continue... but it was eveident din the first half..
As emotionally awesome as this win is within the fanbase, like the PSU game.. I can understand how outsiders would see it as under performer based on expectations.
Just when you think you can’t hate Bama more.
this won’t be popular, but after the Iowa game, OSU doesn’t deserve to be in.
1. Alabama will not get a strength of schedule boost from next week.
2. Miss St should drop out out top 25.
3. TCU could win.
4. I still think money is an issue. And the money comes from TV viewership not tickets sold. Case is point, most bowl games are empty yet they still have them due to tv money.
5. Don't lose to Iowa.
4. Ohio State
2-two loss teams in the playoffs. Gotta love it. Auburn vs Ohio State for the Natty.
"and there he is... The Big Kat"
Brett McMurphy has been predicting an OSU/Auburn natty for a few weeks now.
I agree. I think everyone is overthinking this with Alabama getting in over a conference champion. Assuming Auburn, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Clemson win, I think those are your matchups. Ultimately, it'll be the ACC champ, Big12 champ, SEC champ, and Big10 champ in the top 4. The Pac12 has been out of contention most of this season.
I've got it: Let's form a committee that always places Alabama in the top 4, along with Clemson, and another SEC team, regardless of who wins the last few weeks, and then choose one other team from among the 3 remaining Big 5 conferences. Win and get in / advance, lose and advance. Long as we get the supposedly good teams, from the SEC because their network (who stands to profit) says the SEC is the best. /s
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
The easiest path for the Buckeyes is if Auburn wins out, OSU, Clemson, and OU win out.
The whole Alabama thing is going to come down to what the committee values more, Ranked wins, conference championships or 1 loss non-conference champ vs 2 loss conference champ.
Many try and compare last season with OSU and PSU.... we aren't arguing the same thing.... OSU and PSU are in the same conference. Alabama is not in the same conference as OSU.
I would not compare OSU 2016 to Alabama 2017.
In 2016 Ohio State had a signature victory on the vs. a top 10 team...Oklahoma.
Alabama has no such victory in its resume. It's best victories are Miss State an LSU..both outside the top 15.
This year (if Ohio State beats Wisconsin) the Buckeyes will have 2 top ten victories...PSU & Wisconsin plus a victory over Michigan St. who will also probably be ranked higher than any other team Bama has beaten.
So, there's no real parallel between OSU 2016 & Alabama 2017,
Just beat Wisconsin and we're in. That's 2 top 10 teams.
for those saying easiest path is AU, OSU, Clemson and OU winning out.... you are out of your mind.
only path to playoff is TCU winning and OSU winning out.. that's it...
no way TCU gets in over OSU in this case... in this case, 2 sec teams make it.. ACC winner.. then OSU... TCU and USC left out..
this is simple. OU would not get in over OSU either .. even w/ 2 losses.. b/c they lost the conf champ to TCU...
IF AU, OSU, CLemson and OU win out... they will take Bama ... even if it does not deserve it... it's BAMA.... if it were any other brand, prob not.. but no way committee lets 1 loss Bama (#1 ranked team most of the year w/ 1 loss) sit at home for the playoff..
they will justify it by saying OSU lost 2 blowout games... which is true.
so entire Buckeye nation needs to rout for TCU next week.. and hope that Mayfield has the worst game of the year...
i don't see it happening though
While TCU upsetting OU improves our seeding you are 100% wrong about OU, Clemson and Auburn winning out keeping us out.
Once again, I'd be interested in seeing who the top 4 teams are in the old BCS formula. I don't think Bama is that good, but I'm not sure because I think Auburn *is* very good. So if it comes down to us or Bama, I don't see where we can complain given not last year but playoff performances. I know, I know - it's a new team every year. But who here isn't scared on some level that with J.T. we could have another disastrous semi-final if we got in?
I'm happy regardless. Because *we won The Game!* For me, that's the most important, beautiful thing an Ohio State team can do every season.
Now, beat Wisconsin. Then have this conversation.
I’m soooo tired of hearing this. Bama has done nothing, let me repeat NOTHING to earn their way in. Bama will only get in by entitlement not by deserving. People keep trying to bring up the comparison of the Buckeyes team from last year. The only similarities are both were one loss teams who didn’t make it into their conference title games but that is where the comparison ends. Buckeyes last year had two top 10 wins, one being a non conference game on the road and also a solid win at Wisconsin who was almost top 10. Ohio St was deserving last year, this Bama team is not.
Go for two only because you can't go for three
I hate to be the negative nelly, but I actually hope the Buckeyes don’t make the playoffs. I think the offense is still too inconsistent to score against good defenses, and the secondary is not good enough to stop good offenses. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Buckeyes play the Trojans in a traditional BIG10/PAC12 matchup.
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer." - Albert Einstein
It is too bad lessons in life are often learned from and expressed in words with 4 letters: s--t, f--k, Iowa. Our young men will not forget that mindset nor preparation. It cost us Great season in whooping scUM and hopefully beating UW.
For the wrist slitters who didn’t even think this was a remote possibility coming out of Iowa: RELAX. A win over Wisconsin ERASES the Iowa loss. Iowa isn’t some backwoods FCS POS school on SEC schedules. They’re a respectable, bowl eligible squad this year. They’re certainly not the Pitt Team Miami lost to yesterday. Alabama has NO resume to get in. NONE. IF they beat Auburn then lost to Georgia, MAYBE a case could be made, but as many have pointed out, Bama’s best win wast MSST and they may not be ranked Tuesday. Perhaps LSU now THAT LOST TO FUCKING TROY. CMON. We’re in if we win. Plain and simple. We gotta take care of business and a Badger team that’s solid and been shit on all year. You ask me they ought to be #1 Tuesday night. All they’ve done is win and TCB. THEY are the only remaining (serious) Team left unbeaten.
OSU should NOT be in the playoffs as they will get destroyed again by whoever they play. That play calling by Meyer and Wilson today was atrocious as they were fortunate Michigan enjoys self-destructing. Just eight total passes half way thru the 3rd quarter. Meyer always seems to tighten up in precarious situations. I'd give the game ball to Austin Mack for his only catch of the day (and the play of the game).
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I'm just hyped right now we get another week of football and a hell of another good game next week. Hyped to go to Indy to play a game with a lot on the line. Go Bucks!
Come Tues.. It will be
Barring a ND win This is what it will look like...
-Bama doesn't play again....bad resume, No Conference Championship, we go over them with win over Wisconsin....
-Georgia or Auburn will be out with a loss especially if it's Auburn and that will make Bama's loss even worse
-Clemson will clobber Miami most likely so Miami is out for sure
-OU/TCU is a toss up on a neutral field but thinking OU wins again.
-If we beat Top 3 Wisconsin, OSU is in
My predicted Final Four:
All this would mean is the start of a “ OSU cant beat the ACC “ narrative, cause Clemson will wipe their ass with Barrett and Meyer.
Theire is only one truth...
Let's not forget that, in addition to who wins or loses, the *way* the game is played can matter. For example, would we have gotten in the first playoff with a 20-17 win over Wisconsin, or an OT 45-42 thriller? So if we were to somehow wax Wisconsin again (which I don't see happening, but a guy can dream) I think that would jump us over Bama. And does the committee think about history at all? I suspect on some level they do, whether they admit it or not. And in that case I think Bama gets it over us, again especially if the Big 10 championship game is a nailbiter or sloppy. I think there will be or are some committee members particularly aware of the fact the Big 10 has been shut out in back-to-back playoffs, and that would make them skeptical of an Ohio State v. Clemson rematch in ways they wouldn't a Bama v. Clemson rematch.
On an unrelated note, I went to Mgoblog for a few minutes, read the lead article by "Ace" who complained about the bad calls but overall TTUN was better and better days are ahead blah blah blah then read some of the posts. A few posters were telling Ace to quit being a mouthpiece of the coaching staff. The younger posters were telling the older posters to wake up and smell the coffee (to put it nicely) that they weren't buying what they were selling about having a elite program and "next year the tide will turn", it was quite entertaining. The old farts like me are keeping the faith, I get that, but though when you can only remember your team winning one game it's hard to keep them interested, similar to what a young person growing up in the Cooper years must have felt.
I feel a one loss Wisconsin would have a resume similar to Bama’s. Each would have one win against a ranked team (Wisconsin against NW, Bama against LSU) and one loss to a good team (OSU and Auburn, respectively. Bama’s reputation alone is propping them up. At least Wisconsin made it to their conference championship game and played 9 conference game schedule (plus Big 10 championship).
I’ve been saying this for weeks. And frankly they’re in a much better position to make that argument if they lose a close one to OSU. There’s your SEC bias.
Beat Wisconsin and we're in. B1G Champion gets into the playoff, if it's Ohio State.
Ohio State ain’t getting into the Playoffs, nor do they deserve to. Oh the karma if they don’t!
Whew, what a Saturday. First, any day we beat TTUN is a great day. It also is a great day when Bama loses... with the exception of this time because now the road is more chaotic for Ohio State to make it in the top 4. So far, the most likely teams in the playoffs will be (in no order)
1. SEC Champ
2. ACC Champ
3. Oklahoma (unless they lose)
4. Bama or B1G Champ (If Wisconsin wins out, they will be in over Bama - Ohio State's chance is a little more iffy though). With Notre Dame losing and eventual PAC12 champ being behind Ohio State, neither should be placed ahead of Ohio State should the Buckeyes win next week against Wisconsin. So, I feel like Bama and Ohio State/Wisconsin are the only real possibilities.
Let's explore the question; "should Bama or Ohio State take the final spot in the playoffs?" First things first, I'm fairly positive people will drudge up last year's top four - the whole "Ohio State didn't win their conference, but they made it in over Penn State" thing. Many may see equivalence between Ohio State's situation last year and Bama's situation this year. If Ohio State wins the B1G they will have 2 losses, like Penn State last year. Alabama also has just 1 loss, like Ohio State did last year. So, why should the Buckeyes get in the top four over Bama? Here's my thinking:
1. Last year, Ohio State had a dominating win on the road over a stout Oklahoma team. Alabama this year does not have a very good non-conference win (even though FSU would have been had they not had such a bad year).
2. Last year, Ohio State's only loss was by 3 points to Penn State which occurred in late October. After that, they were able to win their remaining five games. Alabama's loss today was to a great Auburn team, BUT the loss was their last game of the season. Should Bama get placed into the top four after they lost their last game?
3. This year, Ohio State had a greater SOS than Bama (https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-... - what I used to determine this. Not sure how reliable it is and whatnot).
4. This year, Ohio State will be facing a Wisconsin team in the top 4 (maybe even top 3, depending on where Auburn is placed), whereas last year Penn State faced a Wisconsin team that was not in the top 4 (they were ranked #6). So, if Ohio State beats Wisconsin, a spot in the top 4 would be open for either Bama or Ohio State. Should Bama take that spot, or should Ohio State, since they beat Wiscy to open the spot?
Those are just my thoughts. It could be that the Playoff Committee would rather put in 1-loss Bama over 2-loss Ohio State simply due to the number of losses. All in all, regardless of how the season ends (in a NY6 Bowl Game or the Playoffs), I'll definitely be proud of the Buckeyes and cheering them on! The possibilities of making it into the playoffs is just fun to think about.
Win comfortably against Wisconsin the in B1G Championship Game and we're in. I don't think the committee will stick a one-loss Alabama team into the playoff that didn't win their conference. The only reason why they stuck a non-champion Ohio State into the CFP last year is because we had three top 10 wins and our only loss was on a blocked FG attempt late in the fourth.
Alabama's best win is going to be against an LSU team that will not finish in the top 10. Ohio State will have two top 10 wins (Wisconsin and Penn State) and a win against MSU that will finish in the top 15 (ahead of LSU). They've shown that they're willing to overlook bad losses. And when it comes down to it, we'd have the same number of wins as Alabama plus a conference title under our belt.
I just find it hard to believe that the committee would leave out the champion of what is arguably the deepest, maybe even the best, conference in the league this year in favor of setting up a rematch between Alabama and Auburn.
I would not be surprised if we drop in the rankings after this game in AA. We eont belong in the playoffs. All we will do is be an embarrassment. Besides, after seeing todays lack of any meaningful offensive attack, we likely will not beat Whisky. Whisky will play to win, and wont make mistakes. Fact is Bama, Okc, and Clemson are all better teams with better coaching. This is just reality.
ugh, i knew i would regret opening this thread
It's 2018 and TTUN still sucks!!!
I keep reading don't lose to Iowa comments..... smh... yeah we lost to Iowa but when Syracuse beat Clemson that was ok...... The committee has said all along it's who you win against and conference championships not who you lose to .........
OSU wins vs Wisconsin and they are in.
It’s time for some of you to forgive your embarrassment and anger about Iowa, and get on the bandwagon.
The kids didn’t lose on purpose to hurt you. A trap game after the game of the year and a miraculous comeback, they hit a perfect storm in Iowa City that peaked with the Bosa ejection. Get over it.
knock off the treasonous talk that somehow Alabama “deserves to be in” and we don’t. Bullshit fan behavior.
Look, the fact is that when the committee is viewing tape and it comes to OSU, they will look at how we played against competitive, evenly matched teams. This is only a few games, amd the committee will see that OSU has literally only looked like a elite team for 1 quarter out of the whole season. This can be argued, but the only team that was even close to being equal in talent is Okc, PSU was probably the next closest, and not really that close at all. The results speak for themselves. It will be very hard for the committee to justify putting OSU in the playoff based on what they have seen. Im not saying it wont happen, just that our play on the field doesn’t justify it.
As a counter to some of the negativity (lighten up, Urbanologist!), I think the committee will consider that The Game is a rivalry game. Those are played at a different level. Ask Miss. State if you don't believe that. And Ohio State not only won The Game, they overcame a 14-point deficit *on the road.* Yesterday was impressive, in other words.
Against Penn State, Ohio State overcame *two* big deficits. That's very impressive, championship-level play.
The big problem, as I see it, is there are 2 Ohio States. Are we going to be the Ohio State that yesterday connected on amazing 3rd down conversions, on crossing patterns or gorgeous passes between 2 defenders, while using their 2 outstanding running backs and a stifling defense? Or are we going to be the Ohio State that has trouble moving the ball because it can't throw downfield and relies too much on QB carries? The latter Ohio State is the one that causes all of us to wail and gnash our teeth; the former Ohio State is the one that won the national championship in the first playoff and is probably good enough to win another one this season. Just which Ohio State the committee thinks it will get in the playoff will become apparent v. Wisconsin.