You serious, Clark?
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If only there was a game between the two. Would be crazy if it had some sort of national championship implications, too.
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For real. Take it a step further even: imagine they switched teams so urban is coaching us and tress is coaching florida. I think we all know the result of that game.
I think I could have told 2 first round DEs to go out and tear it up against a sloppy and overrated OL. To be quite honest, Tressel did a phenomenal job just getting the 06' team to the NC game. The skill position players were obviously all time Buckeye greats, but the OL was suspect, the DL didn't get much of a pass rush, and the secondary was Malcolm Jenkins and pray.
That’s the problem - recruiting is a huge part of being a collegiate head coach. You can’t just disregard that as a factor. However, when it comes to x’s and o’s, I’d still take Meyer.
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Imagine if meyer had those terrelle pryor teams. TP in the spread is at least 2 championships.
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How about Troy Smith and Ted Ginn?
Troy Smith and Ted Ginn would not have been recruited because they are from Ohio! Pow! /s
Tressel. I respect and appreciate coach Meyer and all he has accomplished but The Senator was an Ohio guy through and through, his teams never lacked fundamentally, was protective of his players to the point where it seemed he was the consummate father figure, and he's the one who got us over the michigsn hump and brought the first title in decades.
Plus I was at the championship game against Florida. Still kinda bitter about it, albeit less than I was a decade ago.
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Enough. This is going to a ridiculous place .
Ya lose us a ballgame and by God I'll throw ya off the squad.... W.W. Hayes
Wait, what are we arguing about?
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Tress. All day. Every day. And twice on Sunday. The man walks on water, as far as I'm concerned. Warts, and all.
Pretty sad that 3 idiots DVed this.
Tress actually had plays designed to give the ball to the RB though.....something to think about
Yeah, but how easy we forget. People used to lose their minds screaming about how our offense is so basic and predictable with Tress. Man, those Jim Bollman days? Kind of the same way people lose their minds today when we try to overthink things too much on offense.
JT was a far better clock/game manager. The area of coaching I might Urban an edge in is that he generally has/demands more dominant OLs.
Jt's big downfall was allowing Bollman to call his shots on the offensive linemen.
That being said, its not like we have had great depth on this oline. Warriner was a huge upgrade from Bollman and turned guys like Linsley into NFL regulars, I wasn't big on Stud but if the line can play more like this past weekend and less like the Iowa debacle, maybe he is doing his job.
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Very simple answer to a very simple question. One has has COACHED teams to 3 National Titles, the other to one,
Well, if we ignore D-1AA...
Ah, I think it's one won 3 the other has won 5
All of you annoying Tresselbots, quit trying to rewrite history. An Urban Meyer coached team would beat the hell out of any Jim Tressel coached team.
Tresselbots?? Leave the "bot" terms to those fools in the Commonwealth. Gross.
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The only thing I miss about Tressel is it seemed his teams screwed up far less than Urban's teams do. Tressel actually preached discipline to a much better degree than Urban has. Urban's teams, especially the last two seasons, have had the absolute worst discipline that I've EVER seen out of an OSU team. That crap catches up to you as we've seen this season.
Urban's record since being at OSU says you are wrong about the discipline debate. Tressel's losses vs Urban Meyer's Gators, Les Miles' Tigers, Pete Carrol's Trojans (twice), Mack Brown's Longhorns, multiple losses vs Purdue, illinois, wisky, msu as well as others were due to bad discipline in the trenches.
Go back and review the Florida and LSU games and see how many personal fouls we committed. Another myth about Jim Tressel.
There are many more penalties than just personal fouls that are due to lack of discipline.
Urban is my choice. I like Tress a lot, but his offenses drove me nearly crazy. 3 plays and punt.
Yeah but they were really good punts!
I hated Tressel's conservative in-game approach. Much prefer Meyer's aggressiveness, especially on 4th down. Meyer certainly makes you scratch your head sometimes with all the QB runs and not feeding the RB, but it is a lot less head scratching than I was doing with Tress.
Urban was really aggressive in using Dobbins to attack Oklahoma and Iowa..........
I’d take my old coach
Tressel and it's not close. I love Urban and I know what happened in '06-07. However, tressel was much more aware of his staff and controlled them in a more managerial way. Maybe it's the way cfb is going, but I feel as if urban is so far away his coordinators and the disconnect is obvious. 'We have to get them more carries'
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Jim Tressel is the better gameday coach.
If Jim Tressel had Urban Meyer's recruiting classes -- he'd probably have won 5 national titles.
Urban may every well be the best recruiter in the history of college football.
But, he makes glaring errors as a gameday/situational coach.
In fact, THE WORST mistake and glaring error I've ever seen in watching Ohio State football for decades is that Penn State rushed FG blunder last year. That was 100% stupid.
IMO, Urban sometimes coaches on offense to satisfy his own whims about what kind of offense is best. Tressel didn't care-he was there to squeeze out a win in any way possible, using all facets available to him-and sublimated his ego w/ his playcalling at times. sometimes people say "Tresselball" in a derogatory manner-I say it in honor of someone who had walking off the field with a victory as priroties 1-10 on gameday.
If you count the 2010 team, Tress had 8 double digit win years, 8 top ten teams, 6 top five teams, one National Championship, 5 Big Championships, and four additional BCS bowl wins. If Urban stays 10 years it would be wonderful if he equaled that and super wonderful if he outdoes that. I think Tress was a better in game coach. Urban is an emotional basket case during the game. I think Urban is better with the big picture, assistant coaches, culture, recruiting. Those who hate Tress conservative offense need to remember Troy's senior year and Pryor's junior year. He opened it up when he had the QB to do so. Think Notre Dame Fiesta Bowl.
People forget Tress often opened it up in big games. See Oregon Rose Bowl.
True. We now see us sometimes close it up and get in a box in big games. Tressel did that against bad teams. Against good teams, he often opened it up. Until we got a 3 point lead in the 2nd half...
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Like others have said. It is impossible to compare "just coaching". Was Tressel a better "coach", maybe so. But recruiting is such a huge part of it. I loved Tressel, but his National Title came via Cooper's players. Again Tressel was a much better coach than Cooper, and did things with his players Cooper, would not have done. I choose Urban because I think he is the in-between of Tressel and Cooper.
Tressel was a great coach, but left some to be desired with recruiting, although he was starting to change. It just so happened that his best class was also the class that ruined his coaching career.
Cooper molded some of the greatest teams "talent wise", that anyone has seen. But could not coach them.
Urban molds the two together.
One also has to remember that the BIG Ten is stronger now than it was during any of Tressel's tenure, with exception of maybe one or two years. Also, a few of Tressel's titles were "shared", which cannot be awarded now because of the Big Ten Title game.
Again I loved Tressel, but it comes down to this one statement in my mind. With Tressel, I expected us to blow it at some point in the season, and was surprised when we actually beat a highly ranked team. With Urban, I am confident we can kill even the best teams, and go into every game knowing we can win.
Meyer as HC with Tress as DC and Special Teams coordinator.
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I would rather talk about Tressel and Meyer v. Carr, RichRod, Hoke, and Harbaugh.
Both are hall of fame great coaches. I'm not sure why this fanbase has to constantly eat itself in arguing between the two, when any other fanbase would kill to have had one following the other. When Jim Tressel was hired, he immediately changed the culture and focus on the Michigan rivalry that all of us who suffered through the 90's would never forget. Urban picked up the mantle and has done very well with it.
Notre Dame, Michigan, Tenn, Texas, Nebraska, Miami have had to make several attempts to replace a generational coach. OSU did it with a one year layoff. Just be happy that both men lead the scarlet and gray. We are a very fortunate fanbase.
To me, it's an easy choice and that man is Urban Meyer. Although I find myself questioning Meyer a couple times a game, that's far better than me questioning Tressel half of the entire game. I honestly think he purposely didn't get first downs a lot of times just so he could punt.
They are both great coaches, yet completely opposite of one another. And here's another reason why I say Meyer. He took a player with very little talent and made him quite possibly the greatest college football player of all time, strictly because of scheme and play calling.
But they aren't opposites. They actually share a lot of the same philosophies based in the power run game with strong defense. The difference is that Tressel would usually try to shorten the game with conservative runs once he had the lead, where Meyer tends not to. That's the main difference between the two.
And Tressel took an athlete and made him into a Heisman winner as well. Saying Tebow has very little talent is not giving Tim any credit, when in reality he is an outstanding athlete. So he didn't have an NFL delivery, which means nothing in college, but to say he had little talent is absolutely insane.
Why choose? We've already had both!
*Insert Michigan, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, and Texas fans crying when they realize the success of our last two hires.
Are you guys serious? Offensively and X's and O's wise, Urban Meyer was way ahead of the curve and JT was behind. . 41-14 Tressel was outcoached. Meyer fires offensive coaches that don't produce results.
To his credit, Tressel slowly added more spread option to his offense and eventually caught up. Meyer
Tressel was a huge improvement on gameday when he took over though. He really changed the culture and he was a great coach
No question. I think one thing you can always say about Tressel is that his teams were always tough. Not saying Meyer's guys are not.
I like Tressell but he was not the overall national recruiter as Meyer is and that showed. His teams were tough and his defenses always seemed pretty darn solid. I would generally go with Meyer though. Meyer is a bit frustrating at times how the team just is one extreme or another. There is not as much grey. They are either falling apart or they are taring the opposition up. At least recently.
PSU being the odd out because the offense was moving that ball during that game. Against Iowa they looked inept in many respects but not as bad as the defense did.
Thats like asking me which one of my 6 kids I like best.
The answer is the one who has gone the longest without pissing me off.
FWIW, I think Urban hires better assistants than The Senator did. No matter what mistakes Urban makes, nothing will ever compare to hiring, AND KEEPING FOREVER the Walrus.
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I’ll gladly take either... and so would you after we are in year 2 of Urbans replacement.
To me it is more about Urban and John Cooper... Urban is John Cooper who actually gets “Ohio” State Football. Urban is what Cooper could have been if he beat Michigan. Sorry for going there. But Cooper wasn’t the devil, he did a lot of good things, just not the most important thing.
Well, Cooper is also a hall of fame coach. He just couldn't get over the mountaintop...damn Nick Saban and his 18 feet tall WRs.
It's like being asked to choose which kid you love more. I'll always love the Senator because he restored our pride after losing to TTUN in the 90's, and giving me the most satisfying victory I know I'll ever taste in the 2002 game against TTUN. I'll always love Urban for slaying the SEC monster (Alabama) in 2014----so I no longer have to listen to the SEC fans talk about how OSU can't beat one of their darlings.
But if you put a gun to my head and make me choose one: I'll take The Senator for his epic wins over TTUN, his folksy image, and being an Ohio-first kind of guy.
Love the vest, and nothing will change that, but I honestly would take Urban Meyer. Towards the mid-end of Tressel's run it almost felt like the game was passing him by.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Urban in a blowout