Ohio State Confident in J.K. Dobbins As Pass Protector Despite Leaning On Mike Weber Against Penn State

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Davidosuopt's picture

Hard to tell how much the hammy is still affecting Weber . JK is explosive but  nice problem to have .  Passing was needed to win this game and if Weber is better suited , so be it .  JK will have his time but this problem should be the least of our worries . 

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Buckeyebyrd's picture

Doesn't sound like McCall will play much. I really thought he would have a bigger role this year.

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brutus0717's picture

Given Campbell's problem with his hands, this may change soon.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

I think that KJ Hill has asserted himself as the clear backup for that role.

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brutus0717's picture

I don't think you're wrong, but if DMC is ready for duty I see no reason that they can't be on the field at the same time.

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WezBuck28's picture

I thought I had heard somewhere that they were shooting for a redshirt for McCall for this season..which baffles me based off of what he has done in the time that he has been on the field, including last year.. basically a TD waiting to happen..

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mtrotb's picture

They are getting a medical for him this year.  Will be a soph again next year.

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BrotherBrutus's picture

This is why I thought he wasn't on the field. What was his injury again?

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

McCall is definitely a talented player, but so is practically much everyone else on the team. I think he'll be a big contributor before he leaves Columbus, but IMO, he gets wayyyy to much hype of this site.

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HoneyAndVinegarRealEstate's picture

I think KJ has asserted himself as the clear STARTER.  Give me good hands over the possibility of an explosive play any day.  Parris drops the ball too much for my liking.

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McGrind's picture

Welp according to Urb...PC is a nfl receiver and Run DMC has ball security issues...so we need to wait... then remember to act surprised we he scores 3 TDs 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Nice problem to have indeed. Good kids, good coaches, and good times. 

Let those good times roll... 

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

Would love to see both in the backfield at the same time.  Weber is a great blocker; perhaps we let J.K. play Curtis Samuel’s role on the Brooklyn Dagger play ?

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Nutinpa's picture

Heavy blitz team?   The biggest gripe my local Nitts have is that they barely blitzed at all and made it easier for the Buckeyes’ s O line to protect JTB.    Whatever.  I expect Iowa and Sparty to rush the kitchen sink.  J.T. is in rhythm that opposing D’s need to interrupt. 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I'll take my JTBIV without interruption, thank you very much.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

It appeared to me  they were blitzing but we killed it at  the LOS , they had zero juice in the tank and slobs  kept JTB clean , he could’ve went to a union party after that game ! 

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bd2999's picture

They were trying from what I saw, but they also lost players at key positions for it to work over the course of the game. And they did not have the depth to make up for the losses as the game went on.

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BornAndBredABuck's picture

Their injured DE and S both returned the following possessions. Not sure whom else they lost. Depth was a problem for them, but not because of injuries.

And yes, they brought extra pressure a lot in the 4th Q. The Slobs just snuffed it out up front and gave JT all the time he needed to carve their coverage up.

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cricejr's picture

I have no issue with splitting carries, I just don't want it to become too predictable when either Weber or Dobbins is in the game. That's why there HAS to be something in the works with both.

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MDBuckeye23's picture

I agree with you, but this question and the fact that it became an article is really odd to me. When given two choices, you take the BEST with the MOST EXPERIENCE. Why put a guy who was in high school this time last year in a position to pick up blitzing LBs when you have a guy who learned from Zeke and did it all the way to the CFP playoff last year? It doesn't mean they aren't "comfortable" with Dobbins, nor is it a slight to him in anyway. Not like the kid got benched for poor play. If we want to bring up confidence in a player, I would like to know why Victor was not in the game early and didn't see much of anything thrown his way. That fumble wasn't a fumble, but he didn't even have a target until 3rd Q I believe. He is supposed to be our stud.

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bd2999's picture

Yeah, I do think the read option does help a fair bit with that though. I still do not like seeing the QB get hit as much as Barrett or OSU's scheme calls for, but it really opens up things for either guy in the ground game. And with the line improving it gets even better.

Seeing both guys play well is pretty nice to have for a coach. McCall is a pretty good back too that has not been in the mix. Which is a bit surprising but I think he has been injured on and off through the year too.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

A "pair and a spare", as Tress used to say.  I like it.  GO BUCKS!

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brutus0717's picture

Having the better blocker in seemed to work just fine. Plus, true freshman RBs tend to break down a little by season's end. It's nice to get Dobbins some rest when we can.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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faux_maestro's picture

All of this. Not a knock on J.K. either since Weber learned from Zeke, one of the best pass blocking backs ever.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Urbanologist's picture

Weber is better in pass pro, so it was really a no brainer.

Theire is only one truth...

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nm_buck's picture

which is not a slam on JK... as Mike's extra 2 years of experience are coming in to play

JK will be fine

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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faux_maestro's picture

Weber has years of experience and he learned from Zeke who was one of the best.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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WestsideCincy's picture

Dobbins has to get more than half the carries/snaps. He's a home run threat, much more than Weber. And we need it, especially with Parris out for the time being.

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brutus0717's picture

I'll leave it up to the people who make money to make these decisions (not just the coaches, but the trainers and S&C staff as well). But given the fact that Weber has taken more snaps over the last 4 games, I don't think we "need" to push a freshman too hard at this point.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Steelydan54's picture

It seems clear that JK is the more dynamic runner, while Weber is the better blocker and perhaps receiver. Weber has learned the art and value of blocking, while JK is still learning the finer points. In a clear passing series its best to have the better blocker in the backfield. No egos needed. Weber will likely exit to NFL after this season and then JK can try to fend off the next great back. 

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buckslan's picture

I think this is the best duo of running backs we've had in quite some time, at least since boom Herron and Brandon saine. I'm comfortable with either of these guys in crunch time and I hope we can finally see a game where both backs get over 10 rushes apiece and over 200 yards combined between the two. But we may not even need it cuz JT has been on fire for the past two months.

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analyticalguy's picture

Weber = Herron (at least when healthy) and Dobbins > Saine.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Mike Weber – who has averaged only 4.5 yards per carry this season

That average does not suck, BTW. 

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WorthyBuck's picture

Yes it does.  This isn't the NFL.  Anything under 5 is not good in college. Good RBs average 6.  Dobbins is over 3 yards per carry better.  That is a huge difference.

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

It really skews your stats when you rush in short yardage situations.

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rockyincbus's picture

Beat me to it and you're right

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bd2999's picture

So, when you come out for short yardage and goal lines a fair bit of time you suck? I am just saying, the logic is pretty horrible. And 4.5 yards a carry does not such at all. That gets you a first down every three plays if the averages hold up.

Weber has also looked good running the ball when he gets the ball. He and Dobbins are different sorts of backs. You are also ignoring that Dobbins has many more chances than Weber has. Particularly early on. I think Dobbins is the better back but Weber does not suck. He is quite good.

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WorthyBuck's picture

4.5 ypc is bad.  Look at the averages for all the top RBs for the big conference teams.  4.5 is among he very worst, if jot the worst.  Other RBs also run on short yardage situations.

Maybe it due to his injury, but Weber has not been very good at runni g the ball, and clearly inferior to Dobbins.   Not saying he should not have a roll, but Dobbins is mich better at running the ball, while Weber has been very average.  

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ScarletGray43157's picture

because great teams have competition."

Yes, Coach Wilson, I agree. 

IMHO, only a great team could have come back in that situation last Saturday. 

Next playoff game is at Iowa. 

A great team will be able to keep winning.  We will see.  

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Stronzo The Great's picture

Are the Bucks showing their hand if one or the other is in? I mean, Dobbins means a run play is coming. Weber means he can run or block. I hate to be predictable, unless the opponent sucks at stopping either.

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rockyincbus's picture

Good question.  Knowing Kevin Wilson, when we need it, he'll find the perfect time to beak tendency. We'll see JK hit a home run on a wheel route soon.

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Lighteyes's picture

I doubt it.

The overall passing distribution against PSU was fairly even - can't recall the exact numbers I saw, but it was something like 15 passes with Dobbins in the backfield versus 22 with Weber (obvious caveat: 13 of those Weber passes came in the 4th quarter, when down/distance forced Ohio State to throw a lot).

So even if they generally prefer to have Weber in on obvious passing situations, their tendency isn't nearly strong enough to allow defenses to just assume "Dobbins is in, that means run".

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WesBranscum's picture

I feel like the staff tries too hard to make sure Weber gets his carries/playing time. JK does alot of the leg wok for Weber to be rewarded. I'm sorry but the fact that JK gets lost for a quarter at time is baffling. He should be playing more. 

WesBranscum

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bd2999's picture

Except Weber runs pretty well when he is out there too. I am not sure there is a wrong choice to put either guy in. So long as they remember they have a running back it is fine with me.

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bd2999's picture

They are both good RBs and deserve to run the ball.

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MDBuckeyes's picture

Two-back set: weren't they both out in Victory formation?  

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Seattle Linga's picture

Spread offense with two backs - it'll confuse many defensive coordinators. 

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rockyincbus's picture

The coaches are managing this perfectly.  Take advantage of Weber's Zeke-level pass pro and his experience in the offense.  Let JK grow into his role a feature back, keeping him fresh for November.  The more experience JK gets and the healthier Weber gets, the more versatile and explosive we are.

Just keep protecting the rock fellas!

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Hovenaut's picture

They're going to have to mix it up then down the stretch - opposing DC's (Hi, Don Brown) will work the tendencies against who is in.

I trust the OSU staff.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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ABUCK50's picture

We seem to forget that playing Weber who is most likely to declare for the draft after this season helps with recruitment (improved draft stock is prime recruitment material) as well as gives him the opportunity to get into rhythm for the last stretch so you can't relegate him to backup duty. Dobbins has hit his stride, Weber is getting there. I trust the coaches to know and do what's best for the team (and their careers).

'Vel primus, velcum primis'

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Sloopy'14'18's picture

I just don't like that they basically alternate them every drive. That doesn't seem to necessarily play to each guy's strengths. I'd like to see more rotation and creativity on how they are using these guys because I love them both. No way should we let either of them sit on the bench.

I came here to play [8 years] of school.

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Buck68's picture

"It would be nice to get them on the field at the same time, but then what do you do?" Wilson said. "I felt earlier in the year when we struggled sometimes, I thought there was too much offense, it was hard to manage. So we want to keep expanding, we want to keep exploring, we want to keep playing them both. Maybe you get them on the field together. We finally tried getting some two tight ends together. But we got to be smart as we move forward."

LOL.  Did Wilson keep a straight face delivering this... or was he "smart" as he "so wanted" to circle 'round "move forward"?

Evidently, our coaches trust both RBs and 2 TEs, and also have several excellent options at slot unless/until Campbell returns.  Sadly, i suspect we will 'have more of' "too much offense".   ;-{)}

"So then," Coach Wilson, IMO you've said it clearly and well:  "what do YOU do?"  The rest of the schedule is the meat and potatoes of the season where eating each vegetable is essential, and the dessert for each opponent, is the next - as there is no margin for error in qualifying for the playoffs.

GO BUCKS!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Food for thought Buck68 ...

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Buck68's picture

We are in a 'must always excel in all ways' situation... in terms of what we control and what we do not control.

For the rest of the season ... some unanticipated skirmish in an undesired location... can become a major battle for a minor hill... that morphs into a great 3 day battle... that turns into the actual not the proverbial... 'turning point'.  Gettysburg.

Woody used to say, among many sayings, a typically midwestern negative:  "you can't get a team up for more than 2 or 3 big games a year."

Rather ... what 'happens' if you DON'T 'get up' for the next game?  Where does "can't" belong in your attitude?  How does "can't" bind a team into a band of brothers?  Where's the quit in can't?  If great men can say dumb, conflicted things... what about 'the chances' of us 'slightly lesser' guys?   ;-{)}

It's just like us... to gyrate all over our lot in life... and 'see it' by instinctive response and 'experience' of all sorts.  First, we have to recognize and keep trying to lay these natural things aside... for a cause guided by values greater than us... in a road full of road apples and tests of every sort and unfairness.  THEN, apply that strategic moral choice to practical tactical principled application in the football situation and crucible....

Then, fired up or knocked down in the heat of the moment, that heat 'gets your attention' to trump the instinctive urges for fight or flight... to first unnaturally get back on the road /course you have set for yourselves.  Not feeling.  Not more.  Unnaturally Better for the task at hand, toward the mission. 

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RickB56's picture

I just figured UM wanted to use Weber in games situations where running was the true call to make on any given play..I still think Weber finds the hole faster, gets through it faster, and is the better overall back to use both in running and passing (blocking sits)...

Weber for pass blocking?  let the kid run, he's a thoroughbred stallion...let Dobbins block..let Weber run..

"The Devotion Of The Greatest Is To Encounter Risk and Danger, and Roll Dice With Death.."

Nietzsche

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GoBucksForever's picture

It makes a lot more sense after reading this why Weber was in so much with us being in a hole and needing to pass consistently. However, I'd still like to see more of Dobbins. 7.6 YPC is WAY more than 4.5 YPC. There's a reason the 2014 season was so successful, because teams had to respect both Zeke and the passing game. Weber just isn't a threat in my mind to take it to the house and drive down the field. I'd rather have our "Reggie Bush" in the game to keep defenses honest, than "Lendale White" and have teams know he can't take it all the way, so its more than likely a passing situation. 

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Cheezeball73's picture

Something it seems that people forget is that when we're running at a really fast tempo we don't substitute players in and out of the game. We just line up for the next snap and go. This prevents the defense from being able to substitute as well, meaning they're often not quite ready when the ball is snapped.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Play Dobbins early and often.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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