Skull Session: Iowa Presents Different Challenge, Drew Tate Talks Trash, and Jim Harbaugh Wants 16-Team Playoff

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Iowa isn’t really great at anything, just a very sound football team that plays with a lot of discipline. 

They got a win over Iowa State which actually looks pretty good right now.

i still think the Buckeyes will be too much for them.

also, #JT4H... that is all 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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dtanmango's picture

If JT got the Heisman, I'd be a pretty Happy Jamarco

-dtan

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

If JT wins the Heisman, 11W user LCT is getting a big ole #16 tattooed on his forehead. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Like a real tattoo or a UFM promised tattoo?

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

LCT

Craves

Tattoos

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I bookmarked the link to his comment on my desktop. It was in a Forum thread about three weeks again when many around here wanted to hop on the Dwayne Train. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I trust you will keep him updated. He will be nervous as hell when J.T. shreds the competition the next month. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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TTUN@SS@SIN's picture

Iowa isn’t really great at anything, just a very sound football team that plays with a lot of discipline. 

Not true. They are really good at cow tipping. 

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Ohio boys can tip a cow pretty damn well too. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Possibly corn shelling? Which I just learned this week is a thing.  The process by which you remove the curnels (or is it colonels?) from the cob.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

It is kernels. 

English is confusing, though, I admit. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

If you remove the colonels, you run out of liters.

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Texas_Bucks's picture

No, you run out of officers, which is normally a good thing.

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Major H's picture

Hey, hey, hey! We're not all bad.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Texas_Bucks's picture

No Sir, not all of you. ; ) 

Old NCO habits are hard to break.

Texas Bucks

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I resent that remark! However, I will say that prior Enlisted make the best officers (generally) ;)

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Major H's picture

I was enlisted for almost 10 years when I was commissioned and one thing I learned was when my NCOIC said, "Sir, this is NCO business." I just let him run with the ball. I was fortunate to always be around NCOs I could trust.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

That's the key. Get stuff done at the right level. Thanks for your service.

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Major H's picture

It was my honor to serve.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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ShaneFalco's picture

Half-breeds = great officers. Count me as one.

I read blitz

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Major H's picture

Thank you for your service.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Buctor's picture

Harbitch is on to something!  If they do like BB, ickigan might get in.  Less than 64 teams, who knows?

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Buck911's picture

I've always thought Coach Khaki Pants was on something...not on to something.

Too many highs... to many lows, what ever it is ...it is bitterly disproportionate.

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

I, too was 17 during that '04 game.  Unfortunately I was attending it.  

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Meek's picture

That was more an inconvenience. Unfortunate is going to school during the Cooper years. 

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cronimi's picture

Preach, Brother Meek!! I lived through 0-3-1 v. TTUN during my time in Columbus. The young whippersnappers these days don't realize how good they have it.... 

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dan_isaacs's picture

Don't remind me...

Dan Isaacs

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

Drew Tate was such a little bitch tho.  I liked him better the following year in Columbus when he was crying all game and finally reached his boiling point and chucked the ball into the turf after getting sacked on a 3rd and short lol.  That's the Drew I remember. 

Plus we won 31-6 that time and outgained them by 400 yards.

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Buctor's picture

He was probably wondering which bar he was going to in the third quarter then too.  But likely needed his drink a lot more.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I could be wrong but I thought he slammed his helmet into the turf. I don’t know if it’s still a rule today but back then, removing your helmet while still on the field was a penalty so not only was he not flagged for that, he also wasn’t flagged for being a dick when he bounced it off the ground.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Buctor's picture

On the field, off the field, or across the field??

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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kareemabduljacobb's picture

It's cool looking back on old articles like that and seeing some of your old comments.  I had a couple in that thread... don't really recognize anyone else that posted in it. 

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cpfanatik77's picture

One of my favorite games I attended as a student. We made Tate's life miserable that game. I want to say Carpenter had a monster game that day. I know he was the one who got Tate on the play where he chucked the ball.

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WezBuck28's picture

In parts of Ohio we pronounce it Iowa..out west and down south, it's aaaaaa-wuh...

After last week's win, I don't think anything will stand in this teams way..their confidence is now through the he roof..

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Here, it’s called Ohiowa. If Iowa’s the Hawkeye State, why is there a town called Buckeye?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Seattle Linga's picture

I bet you can't wait for Saturday.

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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DAPBuck119's picture

A friend of mine that's a Nebraska alum taught me a neat bit of history about how Iowa got its name. It actually stands for Idiots Out Wandering Around. #themoreyouknow

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awlinBrutus's picture

The JoeBots didn’t care for Klatt and Johnson. They felt they were pro OSU, but if you listen to the broadcast they were just praising whoever were making plays. It’s just the nits didn’t make any plays after the Barret fumble. Bama is still the team to beat. They are executing at a high level.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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ChimdiCheckyaselfbeforeyawreckyaself's picture

Yeah, I'd have a hard time believing that any bias could keep Gus from going nuts over whatever big play was made. 

A little is better than nada, sometimes you want the whole enchilada

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Meek's picture

Very true since he is a blue fan.

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cronimi's picture

Agreed. Just listen to his call of the opening kickoff -- right out of the box he's exuberant about the Barkley run-back. It wasn't Gus's fault he didn't have many PSU plays about which to be exuberant in the second half....

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Watching those Iowa game clips felt like watching a game from 20 to 30 years ago

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HOLYbucknut's picture

I feel like Middletown parents aren't going to be the ones to create untraceable burner Facebook profiles to send death threats to that coach. They should investigate and throw every last one of them in jail for a few years. Anyone know if that's the Middletown school of Jalin Marshall?

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Tampabuckeye85's picture

Yeah it's the same school. That's where I was born, that place is a complete shit hole.

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Middletown is to Dayton what Massillon is to Akron. Actually, it's just 2 pairs of congruent shitholes, tbh. This shitty analogy was brought to you by our good friends at Industrial and Economic Decay.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

I’m excited anytime, anywhere the Bucks are playing but this Iowa game will be special because of the new tradition at Kinnick Stadium. I was watching The Journey the other night and The Wave they now do at the stadium recognizing the patients at the children’s hospital is just amazing. I’m happy that OSU coaches, players and fans will have the opportunity to partake in my opinion the best new tradition in sports. If you didn’t get a chance to watch that episode it was great, it also had a focus on Tyquan Lewis and how he is such an awesome role model to his 3 younger brothers. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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cronimi's picture

Yeah, SP - the wave is a great new CFB tradition. Man, if you ever need a good cry, watch the Rinaldi story he did on it for GameDay earlier this season. Thankfully neither of my kids has had to spend time in a hospital. I really feel for those families. 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Soul, which episode was it? I need to go back and watch it since I have been a fan of Tyquan ever since 11W ran that piece on him and his family a few years back. So glad he is on our team.

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Just aired this past Tuesday. 

Just posting and hoping my comment isn’t deleted. 

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

After hurricane harvey & the Indians were eliminated I was kind of pulling for Houston. Congrats 

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BucksHave7's picture

To Jim Harbaugh,

Just shut up and win football games! I’m guessing that you must think you still have a shot this year to be the 16th best team in the country by season end?

Also, don’t you now make enough $ to get LASIK?

Sincerely, Buckshave7

BucksHave7

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Nutinpa's picture

16 team playoff?   Good idea Jim. If so, we will live long enough to see starters benched for the Game so they are healthy for the playoffs.   Nice.   Thanks, bro. 

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SilverHaven's picture

Props to anyone, incl. a Michi nut case, that has enough grade school arithmetic to know that it does not make sense to have only 4 playoff spots for 6 winners-- 5 Power 5 and ND domers.  But 16?  Well, just compromise and cut it in 1/2 to 8.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

#NoAutomaticBids

#RegularSeasonMatters

#KeepItAtFour

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BucksHave7's picture

16 team playoff.  So we would have now about 50 2 and 3 loss teams claiming they deserve to be in.

BucksHave7

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Exactly. People seem to forgot the last gasps of the BCS when 2 and 3 loss Big East teams got automatic bids to the Orange. It was disgusting. 

And if we’re talking auto-bids, why isn’t anyone looking at the American Athletic Conference. They are consistently better than the other Group of Five conferences. Have actually won a NY6 bowl game. Win more games against Power Five Conferences than any other G5 conference. Have had a pair of teams in the Top 25 for the past few years. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Osusam77's picture

How does regular season not matter when you have to win your conference to get in? It seems to me that it makes regular season just as important, but allows you to schedule good out-of-conf games without having 1 loss kill your chances. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Because last year you would have had 2-loss Penn State in the CFP after losing to Pitt and UM. It makes the regular season less meaningful because you could lose every OOC game (4 in SEC) and still make the CFP by winning a weak conference.

Would adding TCU, Baylor, Miss State and Sparty have really added anything to the CFP in 2014? Do we really need to see rematches of OSU-MSU and Bama-Miss State and TCU-Baylor. That would’ve been awful for college football. That’s telling people that those three regular season matchups didn’t matter.

How many times in the past 25 years have we seen 2-loss conference champions? A lot. Two losses is 100% worse than one. It’s twice as bad.  Why does a two-loss CC deserve to get a shot, because they happen to be in a weak conference?

And think of this, you will be almost guaranteeing ND a spot in an 8-team Playoff every year or two. No thanks. Keeping it at four means every game matters. It turns College Football into “September through November Madness”, instead of one month where everyone tunes in.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Scarlet's picture

this^^This^^ THIS

a thousand shards of sadness

 

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Osusam77's picture

I understand your point, but don't fully agree. I don't think we ever have enough data to know how good a conference really is and a two loss conf champ may be in fact better than an undefeated conf champ - not likely but possible. See my comment below re a 6 game play off. A 6 game play off addresses all issues and weeds out the last two teams in your example above. I don't like the same teams playing twice (like we had a few years ago in the BCS) but I also don't like making a decision that 1 team isn't as good as another in a different conf when they have the same record and no real comparisons. I would rather include than exclude - because of an eye test or perceived SOS among confs, when there is no true way to compare. This is college and there are multiple factors involved in winning and losing - early season vs late season, game conditions, rivalry games, etc.  OSU is the best example of that and we would have been out if we hadn't won the Whisky game like we did. Even that win wasn't enough for many.  JMHO  

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

#4keepsouttheriffraff

Gotta love it.

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CreamMachine's picture

anything more than 6 (with 1 and 2 getting a bye) would completely change college football...can't believe expansion to 8 or 16 is so popular. there would be the odd 4-loss team getting in at 16

the buckeyes are going to brutalize Iowa. they're just nebraska with slightly more balls and slightly less talent.  45-14

beat iowa
michigan sucks

if it's brown, flush it down

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Texas_Bucks's picture

A buddy & I came up with this idea (along with many others, I'm sure) 15 years ago. And yes, it makes sense and still keeps the regular season important. How you ask? There are 11 D1 conferences (yes I'm old and yes it should still be D1); take the 11 conference champions, add the top 5 non-conference champions from the AP Top 25, and get a true NC. This eliminates style points & bias (for the most part).

Texas Bucks

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So Harbaugh’s expansion plan has multiple hidden agendas: make the playoffs with a mediocre team, improve Michigan’s odds of beating Ohio State because The Game’s been rendered meaningless to the Buckeyes, strengthen Michigan’s SOS, and improve Harbaugh’s record against OSU.

[Insert obligatory Seinfeld “That’s gold, Jerry! Gold!” and Guinness “Brilliant!” gifs here.]

/s

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ScarletGray43157's picture

I would go to 6 teams, with a first round bye for the top 2 rated teams going in, and the first round hosted by the higher ranked team on their campus.  After the first round proceed as currently done.

Would potentially give all the Power 5 a shot, plus an Independent as well.

Due to the money to be made, we will see some sort of playoff expansion in the future. 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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Osusam77's picture

I have been arguing this for years. We really do not have an accurate gage of the strength of conferences; just some misc data points. Having 6 games gets all 5 conference champs in and allows for 1 more - ND or AAC champ or another group of 5 one loss team. This provides incentive to win your conference, have a strong out of conference schedule  (to get 6th seed if you don't win your conference) and get the 1 or 2 position in order to get the bye. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The cost to the universities hosting the first round is too high for anyone to agree to it.  Most schools put their stadiums into a caretaker status in Dec. Keeping it open until Jan costs too much in utilities, upkeep, etc.  And there is no way they're going to play the first round game in Dec in the middle of finals or the first week of winter break.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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ScarletGray43157's picture

NB91:  You make some good points.  The first round games in a 6 team setup, or any setup for that matter, could be done anywhere.  The setup I described doesn't hinge on that at all, but my point was that hosting could be a revenue-producer.  I don't doubt what you are saying because I don't know the numbers. A 6-team playoff would work in any set of venues, though. 

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BucksHave7's picture

College hoops is perfect example of how playoff diminishes regular season.  When there are top 10 match ups during regular season, ratings are very weak. 

College football has the best regular season in all of sports BY FAR and its stupid to diminish that to make 1 or 2 extra weeks better at the end.

BucksHave7

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ScarletGray43157's picture

BH7:  I would disagree that adding 2 extra games would diminish the regular season.  Football is a different animal than basketball. I think a 6 team, or 10 team, or even a 16 team playoff would be a profitable and exciting playoff for all concerned.  The only way to know for sure would be to try it, IMHO.  

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Osusam77's picture

6 teams makes total sense for so many reasons and can easily deal with the concerns raised above. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Teams make more from neutral sites for these games because there’s no overhead and the split the revenue. The away team would lose big if they went to school sites to play. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

I always thought FOX NFL coverage was a little off, but I am liking their coverage of college games. And, cmon, you have to love Gus ever since "The whole state of Ohio.....is counting on Car Dale Jones!"

Gotta love it.

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Trapper99's picture

I would probably prefer Gus/Klatt over Herbie/Fowler. I am looking at this strictly from a college football game as I have little care to follow much NFL, especially their analysis. I was skeptical at the beginning of the year knowing so much was going to be on Fox, but I think I actually prefer it.

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blueblazer22's picture

I don't mind Herbie, but I really dislike Fowler as lead announcer. Maybe because he was so good at hosting Gameday, or maybe I miss the true great voices like Brent and Keith Jackson, but the Fowler play by play is tealky lacking to me. Gus may be over the top, but I preder that to banal. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Brutus's picture

I agree that Fowler lacks the gravitas of Musberger and Jackson but he did call the 2014 national championship game so I will always have his voice associated to that. I don't mind Fowler so much. On the other hand, Fouts' "Bad call! Bad call!" in the 2002 championship still makes him unlistenable to me and we ended up winning that game. Some things you can't forgive.

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blueblazer22's picture

Foutsie was not very good that day. He was all but openly rooting for The U, and his buddy's boy Winslow. I turned the entire final drive by Miami in OT into an mp3 so I have heard it literally hundreds of times. From the maikng excuses for Dorsey missing a wide open TE in the end zone to messing up who blitzed on the final play, Dan made that a tough listen. Thankfully Keith was there to overcome in 2002.

As for 2014, we did not have the regular feed on so I cannot speak for Fowler in that game. Either had the radio synched up or had another channel of the megacast (which I believe started with that final game). 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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G.'s picture

Props to Joel Klatt for getting statistical with Alabama's tendency to walk on cake every year. And I was looking forward to the bin laden WMD but the link didn't work for me.

G.

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blueblazer22's picture

Klatt is alright. Not tremendous but pretty solid. He is no SEC apologist, which is nice. 

Yes, the Bin Laden link was dead for me also, as the Frozen link was. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Frozen link is fixed. Not sure what's up with the bin Laden link.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Frimmel's picture

The whole Frozen link was far more interesting when it was broken but it was still worth reading. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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G.'s picture

Probably classified.

G.

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blueblazer22's picture

I ran across a link to what may well be the link DJ tried to put in the wmd's, and it seems that Osama was a 9/11 truther, or at least someone using his computer was watching something called Loose Change. Wow. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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ogama843's picture

Al Qaida was pissed at Loose Change for taking credit away from them.... any how, GO BUCKS!

Holy Buckeye!

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Dillon G's picture

George W Bush was right. That is the short story.

#walkaway

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Dillon G's picture

16 teams will eventually happen in D1-A.

Like I said....

BCS + 1 is not a playoff. All the complaining about the BCS, now you have it on steroids and think its great. Well, not all of you.

#walkaway

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Frimmel's picture

I know the cat isn't going back in the bag but I think I liked it better when beating TTUN, winning the conference, and going to The Rose Bowl was the big thing. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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sawesome's picture

I know the cat isn't going back in the bag but I think I liked it better when beating TTUN, winning the conference, and going to The Rose Bowl was the big thing.

Controversy makes the regular season mean more.

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Frimmel's picture

The regular season means as much as it ever did. Win all your games then some mystical cabal determines if you're pretty enough to be considered for the top prize. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Dillon G's picture

The FBS conference champions are in, and the rest at large. 

#walkaway

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Iwouldliketotalktoyou's picture

I remember those days....been awhile....those were good....

Gotta love it.

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blueblazer22's picture

I love the idea of extra days off for non-smokers. Not sure it would fly here, but good for them. I have long thought it seemed unfair for those of us that do not smoke to keep working while others disappear every hour or two for 10 minutes. 

Tried to click on the Frozen link (don't judge) but it was dead. Maybe the story is so good it had to be taken down?

The new tradition of waving at Iowa is probably the best thing they have going. It is a great sentiment, but the team is still mediocre at best and I just don't see it being a trap game. Bucks big. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

To my knowledge we don't do smoke breaks here like they do in europe. At least where I work, everybody gets the same amount of break time and smokers have to use their break time to have a smoke. My wife went to England last year for work and she said the people at the plant she was at went out every hour for a smoke. If that be the case, I can certainly understand giving extra time to non smokers. Some people are getting a break every hour, while everyone else doesn't. But I don't think thats how it works here. At least not at any of the places I have worked.

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blueblazer22's picture

If that is how all places dealt with smoking, I would be fine with it. Use the same break that everyone gets, Andy if you want to smoke then by all means do your thing. But I have worked at two place I can think of where smokers were able to not only take the regular break, but also made extra time inbetween to have more smoking time. Seems funny to me that after how many decades of smoking, just now someone is trying to "even the score" as it were. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

It seems crazy to me to give smokers extra time to partake in a bad habit. As a former smoker, I totally understand the craving. But if you can't go 4 hours without a smoke, you might want to reexamine some things. And from a business standpoint I don't know why you would stand for that. You're losing money when your people are on the clock but not working. Plus it costs extra money in providing health care. Basically extra smoke breaks are costing money while they're costing money.

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Lighteyes's picture

Eh, in fairness, most jobs have plenty of time when they're on the clock but not working. It's just that you're outside smoking a cigarette instead of chatting at the water cooler (if it was 1980) or checking email on the computer (2000) or playing on your phone (2017) or whatever.

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Scarlet's picture

US companies, at least the large ones, started to offer non-smokers better health insurance rates around the year 2000, or they offered cash incentives to non-smoking employees. This has carried over to giving cash incentives (usually for health savings accounts) to employees who exercise, work on improving their BMIs, and who demonstrate healthy lifestyle improvements.  

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Frimmel's picture

That "Frozen" thing was certainly a "Wait. What?" click. But the link leads to nothing. I'm starting to think it was meant as a joke. The CIA and "Frozen" Tumblr fetishes was some might strong clickbait. Have I ended up on some sort of watchlist because I want to know what the heck a "Frozen" fetish is and why the CIA cares?

I'm okay if this is a joke at my expense but could you tell me what it is? 

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SilverHaven's picture

Mahalo for all the clips, DJ.  Esp liked the Gonzalez catch and run, but...

the highlight for me was Hartline taking out 2-- count them 2-- defenders in one block!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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analyticalguy's picture

A Buckeye receiver can do that? Who knew?

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ScarletGray43157's picture

the highlight for me was Hartline taking out 2-- count them 2-- defenders in one block!

Same here. 

He's on the OSU Coaching Staff now, yes? 

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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MN Buckeye's picture

Funny how we have won 13 out of the past 14 games against Iowa, but the one I remember most is the 2004 loss.

And good for Chris Ash to land a stud QB.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

When you only lose 1-2 games out of a 13-15 game season, the losses are easier to remember than the wins over time. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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TMac's picture

In the Regular season. I'm pretty sure we didn't play in the post season last year. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Ouch. Well played?

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Louisiana-Monroe has no self-respect iuf it comes running to FSU's house after a 3 a.m. booty call.

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blueblazer22's picture

I would love to agree with this, as it is a shameless attempt by FSU to buy a win. But, a) I bet a school like LA-Monroe could really use the paycheck and b) they might be able to beat this sorry-ass team of Seminoles, and wouldn't that be the ultimate defeat. 

Jimbo Fisher can go take a flying leap. That guy is as smug as they come and so annoying. And while losing Francois is a bad break, how overmatched as a coach is he that his team has completely gone in the tank? Getting blasted by mediocre teams should not happen at FSU. It isn't like they lost Johnny Unitas or anything-coach your team up and try to win a game here and there. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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cronimi's picture

Yeah, I seem to recall a couple years ago, a team lost its starting QB right before the season started, so a RS freshman took over starting duties and they ended up doing OK for themselves.

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TMac's picture

Ferentz isn't wrong, still likely B1G COY 

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Lighteyes's picture

Hey man, Iowa is 5-3. The little school that could is proudly sporting the same record as legendary football factories like Northwestern, Wake Forest, and Florida Atlantic.

That certainly sounds like Coach of the Year material.

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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mtrotb's picture

Division 2 and 3 do have an expanded playoff, but they play 10 regular season games.  Good luck telling presidents of schools like Indiana, Vandy, Kansas .... that will never make a 16 team playoff, that that you will be playing two less games of which at least one would be home where they would lose the gate.  D2 & D3 have no gate, students go for free, so schools that don't make playoff, aren't out.

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

You could offset that a bit with a post season bowl-type game for teams that missed the playoffs. Sort of like the NIT

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analyticalguy's picture

But not all of them. No one's going to watch a 3-7 team in a bowl game, even if none of those 3 wins came against FCS and non-Power-5 cupcakes.

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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

Yes I agree. The bowl  season we have now is already extremely watered down. I’m not saying I want this at all. Personally I think 6 is the best playoff number. 

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analyticalguy's picture

I like the 4, and could live with 6 or 8. More than that is just ridiculous. As others have said, the regular season and conference championship games are already the early round elimination in football.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Not the same. All those schools at the bottom still lose out. Alumni Associations, even at OSU, would lose their minds over losing a home game or two. 

You can also chuck the OOC schedule. No more OSU-Oklahoma, OSU-USC, etc. not enough games to do play more than one game and your conference schedule. 

Besides - mathematically, the 9-16 teams will already have 2-3 losses (meaning they only won 75-84% of their games). Why do they deserve a shot at the title? The difference between an one-loss team and a three-loss team is the latter is three times worse. No thanks.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Grouchy_Old_Vet's picture

Oh I agree. I’m not advocating for a 16 team playoff. I’m just stating there are valid points going both ways. My biggest concern is with a 16 team playoff is how it would diminish the regular season, much like the NFL’s regular season. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

IMO a 16 team playoff is too much. I think 8 is a good number. Each of the P5 conference champs gets in automatically, plus the top rated champ of a group of 5 conference and two at large bids. This would allow a couple two loss teams that get it together to get in, but a 16 team playoff you start getting into the 3 loss teams and at that point I think we start cheapening the regular season. The great thing about college football is that the regular season is the playoff. The game last week against Penn State was basically a playoff game because we knew the loser of that game was likely not going to make it. And each game going forward for the Buckeyes is huge because another loss and we're basically out of contention.

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blueblazer22's picture

Agreed that 16 is too many teams at this level. I would have been fine with the schedule staying at 11 regular season games, but at 12 as it has been for years now there is too much to lose by dropping a minimum of two of those. And the regular season does have more meaning in this sport than most, no way I would want to dampen that appeal. You are right on 12-go to eight teams, make all the major conference champs in along with the top group of five, then add the last two wild cards. 

They can also cut out some of the glut of current bowl games to make this happen. I have always thought a team should have a winning record to get a bowl bid, so dump these 6-6 or even 5-7 teams and add the extra tier of the playoff in their stead. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

5-7 teams should not go to a bowl game. But its suckers like me that still watch those games that is the reason they exist.

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TMac's picture

I'm not opposed to 8 but, you can't have automatic qualifiers. If so, then you get 8-6 2012 Wisconsin in the playoffs. I get that was flukish, but still they were a 3 loss B1G champion in 2011.....Even at 8 it has to be the "Best" 8. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I can see the argument both ways on this one. While I agree that a flukey 3 or 4 loss team could potentially pull an upset in a conference championship game and therefore get into the playoff, and we would end up with a team that doesn't belong. But the way I look at it, the conference title games are essentially playoff games in this scenario. This, in a way, expands the playoffs to 13 teams with games that are already played and only expanding the official playoff to 8. Win your division go to the CCG just like we do now. But the winner of that game moves on. The 2 at large bids insure that the regular season still matters in the case of an 11-1 team losing a flukey game and missing the CCG. 

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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ChimdiCheckyaselfbeforeyawreckyaself's picture

"I can't even shuffle three friends to the next bar in a timely manner."  Truer words may never have been spoken

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

If Michigan loses to Wisconsin in a few weeks, Harbaugh will cone out in favor of a 32 team playoff. And then, after losing in The Game, he will a support a 64 team playoff.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Harbaugh is hilarious and I think you hit the nail on the head RFR. At what point do the um alumni say enough is enough

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Hilarious is right. Crappy coach, but, hilarious. 

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Seattle Linga's picture

Good for college football and perfect if you like the drama but a coach that'll lead them to the top of the mountain - I don't see it happn'en. He won't last forever if he can't beat his rival.

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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buckeyedude's picture

Go Buckeyes! Beat the Fighting Ferentz's!

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Cruiser79's picture

MichiBuck12 playoff is the same as what I posted the other day, so of course it's perfect.lol. Thank you Mr. Klatt on your defense of Wisky schedule when compared to Alabama. So looking forward to that titanic matchup with the Tide taking on Mercer! Congrats to Houston on winning the world series. Beat Iowa!!!

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Nutinpa's picture

16 team playoff?   Good idea Jim. If so, we will live long enough to see starters benched for the Game so they are healthy for the playoffs.   Nice.   Thanks, bro. 

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BuckShotGinn's picture

The one good thing that came out out of the 2004 Iowa game was the debut of Troy Smith at QB after the Zwick injury (not that JZ getting hurt was good)

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Breakawayspeed's picture

...and the other good thing to come out of Iowa is Interstate 80! 

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Just curious DJ, how did LA become you're childhood team? 

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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blueblazer22's picture

I do believe DJ grew up in that area before moving to God's country of Ohio. The Doyers truly are his childhood rooting team. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I was born in Pasadena, though the only ties I still hold to the area are fair-weather Dodger and Lakers fandom.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Thank you good sir. I am old enough to remember when they were by far the Reds's biggest rival. Some great teams on both side of the rivalry when I was a kid in the mid-70s.

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Ha, living an hour and a half north of Cincinnati, I have been accosted for my Dodgers hat by some grizzled vets of those series numerous times. I used to try to see them every year in August down at GABP.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Never change Coach Harbaugh.  Never change.  And  please stay wirh TTUN forever.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm torn. I want him to be there forever because he is fun to hate, and he makes it so easy. Plus he is no threat to anyone (except maybe himself). But I also want to see him crash and burn and then leave for the NFL because that would rip the hearts out of the chest of every TTUN fan that worships at the alter of khaki Jesus every saturday, and I delight in their pain.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I hear you.  I like his goofiness and subbornness that will always keep him from making UM relevant again.  One of these days decades they will get a coach in there that will be a real threat to OSU. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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Seattle Linga's picture

All of his antics are priceless. He's good for football only because he's so far out there in left field not because he's a great coach.

The off season bites !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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MichiBuck12's picture

He's kinda like Bert. I hated Bert, but it was only after he was gone that I realized just how much I loved hating him. Now I will freely admit that I miss him and want him back in the conference. Jimmy Khakis is like that. I hate him, but I think I love to hate him and I'm afraid that if he were gone, I'd miss him.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Maybe after Arkansas fires Bert and Jimmy leaves for the CFL, the Alum-inati  in Ann Arbor will pick him up. Or the grass eater Leslie Miles. Either would be just glorious, although highly, highly unlikely.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

To the Shakespeare nerds ganking me to say I didn't use that phrase right, please know there are six pounds of C-4 duct taped to my chest and enough room in Hell for both of us.

This right here, is why I never miss reading the Skully. DJ, you are a poet. A street poet, if you will. Never change, brother. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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BeatTTUN's picture

Worley stoned Barkley on that 1st down play by not our rival

I remember because I have watched that series a few times. Each time I'm nervous about where not our rival has to get to be in field goal range. Then Worley pulls off the reverse "Leroy Jenkins" move by running on in there and making a play, Jayln Holmes does Jayln Holmes things on 2nd down, Fuller Stones Geisiki on third and the 4th down pass by Mcsquirrel is "Marshall Lucky"

Go Buckeyes

Beat Michigan

Beat Iowa

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Hockeybuck's picture

Had to log on and upvote for the Used Cars clip. Great movie for those around back when it came out.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Oh man thanks for the blast from the past with the Used Cars clip. One of those underrated movies that was hilarious. Saw that with my mom and she laughed her ass off - great memory.

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

The Wadley pass pro clip is reminiscent of the Petey Jones whiff that turned him into a linebacker.

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Elks' comb over's picture

How in the hell does this not have at least 69 upvotes by now?

“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.

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lakejamesbuck's picture

Why in the world would Harbaugh even talk or think anything about the playoffs?

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Jimmy Boy better campaign for a playoff field of 64 if he wants his Wolverweenies to make it. Maybe we can add a "play in" game to give TTUN a better chance...

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Hockeybuck's picture

I've advocated 16 forever, like the other divisions had. 11 conference champions and 5 at large.  Basketball invites all conference champs, even those who don't have a prayer to win a game.  

1-AA, 2  and 3 have done it for years. Yes, D3 only play 10 games. 1-AA and D2 play 11. Youngstown State played 16 games in advancing to the finals last year, so spare the "too many games" argument that administrators like to say as if they care about the kids.

BYU played 16 games one year when they played a preseason game (think Kickoff Classic), got an extra game because Hawai'i was on their schedule (back when any team playing at Hawai'i got to schedule a 12th game), conference championship game and bowl game. Nobody complained about them playing 16 games.

There once was a time where D-1 played 9 games, then 10, then 11, and now 12. Only 16 teams would have at least 1 additional game.  If they cared about the kids, there would be no Tuesday night MACtion.

Just my $.04 (adjusted for inflation).

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Texas_Bucks's picture

Only got through the first 2 minutes of the Wadley "highlights" before my head bounced off my desk - the only "elite" change of direction I saw was him going from upright to on his back - I'll try drinking a couple more Mountain Dews before trying to watch the rest.

Texas Bucks

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cronimi's picture

I only made it through the first 2:30 before I bailed. It is (hopefully, for him) not a highlight reel because he only had one good play in the ~150 secs. of the clip I watched. A whole lot of him being tackled at or behind the LOS. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Ferentz and all, but Hayden Fry rocked the 80's, brother...

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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bucksfan92's picture

Hayden Fry was a goddamn national treasure.  I think the closest thing we have to him today is probably Mike Leach up at Wazzu.  Say what's on your mind and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks.  My favorite Hayden Fry quote was from a game in the early '90s in the 'Shoe.  OSU was a top 10 team, Iowa was ranked, and we were up 56-0 late in the first half.  Iowa scored a controversial TD (which today would have been overturned by reply) on the last play of the half to cut it to 56-7.  The idiot sideline reporter asked Hayden if that score gave his team some momentum.  He looked him/her straight in they eye said "yep, we've got 'em right where we want 'em" and trotted off.  I literally fell off my couch laughing. 

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Hovenaut's picture

He was a very good coach - they don't make them like that anymore.

I remember that game, 95? Cooper pulled the starters and Iowa ran off 35 points straight to lose 56-35.

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Dilbert's picture

Iowa has always seemed like they're Michigan State lite.  Hard-nosed, grind it out teams that can hang if they don't make any mistakes and can occasionally win if we have an off day.  This leads to too many close games and a lot of Buckeye fans asking why we just don't put them away.

Not this year though. They seem a little less dynamic (is that possible?) and we are too focused.

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bucksfan92's picture

As a kid growing up in the late '70s/'80s Iowa and MSU seemed like the only other schools other than the "Big 2" that had any kind of pulse, and they kind of traded off years, one year Iowa would be #3, the next year MSU, etc.  

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Here's what Jimmys reaction to any playoff talk should have been:

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BrutusB's picture

So basically Worley prevented Harrison from being the most hated man in Columbus for eternity by blowing the comeback?  He would have been Ryan Hamby 2.0

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Booger Jim - S.T.F.U..... idiotic logic from an idiot!  The four team playoff system is fine - sadly, just like the NCAA Basketball Tourney - it is never enough.  The day you switch to more teams, is the same day people start talking about adding more.  Like Dennis Miller used to say - That is just my opinion - but I could be wrong!

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CreamMachine's picture

expanding the playoff is a terrible idea.  i could handle 6, but more than that would be just awful, especially 16.  there would have been 17(!) 3+ loss teams make the playoff between 2014-16 under a 16-team playoff.  many november games would become irrelevant in a 16 team playoff.  the ohio state - michigan game would have been meaningless in all 3 years.  conference championship games would be irrelevant, as both teams would be already locked in most power 5 conferences. top 16 going into bowls for reference:

2014

1 Alabama 12-1
2 Oregon 12-1
3 Florida State 13-0
4 Ohio State 12-1
5 Baylor 11-1
6 TCU 11-1
7 Mississippi State 10-2
8 Michigan State 10-2
9 Mississippi 9-3
10 Arizona 10-3
11 Kansas State 9-3
12 Georgia Tech 10-3
13 Georgia 9-3
14 UCLA 9-3
15 Arizona State 9-3
16 Missouri 10-3

2015

1 Clemson 13-0
2 Alabama 12-1
3 Michigan State 12-1
4 Oklahoma 11-1
5 Iowa 12-1
6 Stanford 11-2
7 Ohio State 11-1
8 Notre Dame 10-2
9 Florida State 10-2
10 North Carolina 11-2
11 TCU 10-2
12 Ole Miss 9-3
13 Northwestern 10-2
14 Michigan 9-3
15 Oregon 9-3
16 Oklahoma State 10-2

2016

1 Alabama 13-0
2 Clemson 12-1
3 Ohio State 11-1
4 Washington 12-1
5 Penn State 11-2
6 Michigan 10-2
7 Oklahoma 10-2
8 Wisconsin 10-3
9 Southern California 9-3
10 Colorado 10-3
11 Florida State 9-3
12 Oklahoma State 9-3
13 Louisville 9-3
14 Auburn 8-4
15 Western Michigan 13-0
16 West Virginia 10-2

if it's brown, flush it down

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fear_the_nut70's picture

"Harbaugh, however, is right."

DJ, this should have been your first indication that you seriously need to rethink your position.  Khaki Jesus is NOT right.

I have gone round and round on this and have done crazy research (which doesn't make my opinion right, just well informed).  The beauty of CFB is that it at least attempts to crown the best team the champion (however flawed it could be in any one year) instead of the winner of a tournament/hottest-healthiest team at the end of the year.  While I have had some good conversations with people who make good arguments for expanding the field, I have zero patience for Playoff Guy who throws out cliches like "every other sport has a playoff."  Well, at one point in time, it was universally accepted the world was flat, but it ain't, despite what one bitter ex-Cavalier thinks.   Slavery was also universally accepted at one point as was the premise that women should not be allowed to vote.  All of this is to say, the majority isn't always right.

The beauty of college football is that the regular season actually matters.  Lots of playoff games exist every year, but Playoff Guy gets confused apparently unless they are at the end of the year and are labeled for him so he knows which games are important (as a for instance, last week was a playoff game in case you didn't know).  If the playoff field gets expanded, many undesirable things will happen.  Most importantly, regular season will only matter to the point where your record is good enough to get in.  Imagine a 10-1 Ohio State team concluding: "ahh, it doesn't matter if we beat Michigan, we are already in, might as well rest people."  You are correct that cupcake games will probably go away, but the flip side is, while you will get more Ohio State/Oklahoma games, they won't matter at all (most models I see automatically put conference winners in, so if you win your conference, OOC games won't matter one bit).  As things stand now, I don't bother watching but a few regular season baseball, basketball or hockey games because they just don't matter.  As for the NFL, if all you cared about was your team winning a championship, tell me why you'd have to watch one game before your team took their fourth loss (and as a bonus, if your teams starts 0-4, you don't have to watch any of them!!).  You wouldn't.

Also, look at the history since 1997 when the BCS was implemented.  If your goal is to include the 2 best teams in the mix, there isn't one year you would have to go 8 deep to make sure to included the 2 best (2007 is the closest, and you still don't need 8).  When you expand the playoff field, you are doing it to include inferior contenders for the sake of generating more late season television content.  Hell, you could even argue that the last two years, 4 was too many, as it was pretty obvious to astute viewers that Clemson and Alabama were the two best teams (but but but I wouldn't get my 31-0 blowouts).  When you expand the field, the weight of the decision as to who is best gets transferred from the large body of data to a smaller body of data (as one only needs to be good enough to get into the playoffs, then all teams are placed on even footing, which is totally bogus).  We are at point where the everybody gets a trophy t-ball crowd wants expanded playoffs so they can continue to pretend that their fake contenders are still championship teams because ,well, people apparently like to play make believe.  There were actually people running around calling the Giants world champs the year they were 10-7 and the Patriots were 18-1 (they split their head to head meetings btw) saying stupid things like "good teams rise up when it matters" (when actually it's healthiest teams in the war of attrition that tend to play best at the end) when we all know that 60 minutes of football means squat based on all the upsets that we see. 

Finally, Playoff Guy usually premises much of his argument on his distaste for the current system.  What he or she doesn't realize is that any system that attempts to include the best however many teams will require voting of some sort (you could do only conference winners, but rational sports fans know that there is no reason to believe the best teams are evenly dispersed between the conferences).  So for any at large teams, some group of people are still going to have to pick them, then decide how the teams get seeded (which is huge because football is a big matchup sport)l.  So if you trust that system at all, why don't you trust it to identify a small number of teams that are truly championship worthy?  What Playoff Guy doesn't want to hear, because, well, he has been conditioned to believe playoffs have to exist, is that there really is no way to distill 130 teams to 1 when so few teams play each other such that meaningful conclusions can actually be drawn.  Whatever you do, a champion with that many teams will always be mythical because it will necessitate a high degree of subjectivity-- in exchange for a different way of crowning a mythical champion, we will trash the value of the regular season and all the traditions that have existed to make this sport just as flawed as all the others.

But DJ, I do think you are right.  I figure I have 9 more years of this until Playoff Guy ruins the only regular season in all of sports that matters so he can continue to pretend his fake contender is really a champion.  So, I guess I have 9 more years to enjoy this before the everybody gets a trophy crowd ruins the sport.  When that happens, CFB will be like all the other sports for me--i will watch a few regular season games, maybe a key game at the end when it looks like playoff eligibility will determined, then only the playoff games, because those will be the only ones that will really matter.  But at least 8-4 Michigan will get a playoff spot DJ, so it'll all be good.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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