Whatever it takes at this point, but for really good teams, Special Teams is usually automatic. It's a personnel group you don't have to worry about, they know their job, and they do it... Let's hope a reshuffling of the deck gets it pointed in the right direction.
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Exactly, I saw too many walk-on's out there, Should have Berry/Hubbard and a bunch of the backup LB's out there instead of kids who aren't on scholly.
No walk-ons were out there. #29 was Jeff Okudah and #46 was Erick Smith.
Let's be honest, a team like OSU should be able to find a kicker who can kick it deep into the end zone. That alone would take care of 90% of the problem. I don't care if it's a specialist who does nothing but kick off. But I agree, in lieu of that, there's no excuse to have to resort to what they did against PSU. Having said all of that, I'll take this issue over a stagnant offense, or poor secondary play, etc., any day of the week. I have no doubt this issue will get corrected.
They kick it short on purpose, inviting a runback.
C'mon, if they thought they could kick it out of or deep into the end zone, they would do so, especially this year. You honestly think they would have resorted to squib kicking over touchbacks versus PSU?
We haven't changed anything, We're using the same corner kick strategy to force teams to start with a long field, it's just not working this year and Urban is stubbornly not changing it.
You’re right Ctown
if you think about it we just proved that two disastrous st plays were surmountable with amazing defense and offense. Urbs WILL fix this!
That's incorrect, There was 3, Turnure, Cin'Quan Haney, Goings (although I think he just got a scholly but started as a walk-on)
No it’s not dude. Turnure and Goins are on scholarship. Erick Smith was wearing #46, that wasn’t Haney. And it wasn’t a problem when Burger and Fada were on special teams was it?
I realize that has been their strategy in the past, but it's not working this year. But that's not what they were doing against PSU anyway, they resorted to squib kicks. Common sense would tell you that they would prefer touchbacks to squib kicks, if they felt they could get them.
"We just have to do our assignment, do our job, that’s simple," Mack said. "Every man has a job and they have to be able to execute it."
It is exactly that. The corner kick strategy will work just fine if people do the jobs with which they are tasked. Fingers crossed that we don't lose any starters to kick coverage injuries (same holds true to anyone, starter or not, obviously). Most people on return teams aren't Peppers stepping out of the way - they will get in the way and absorb the collision.
I feel like special teams is almost more of a "clown show" than the wide receiver group when Urban first got here. Wild that he is actually directly responsible this time. Still don't buy our guys can't kick it through the end zone consistently.
"Year for what?"
Not a fan...but other than listening to 11W mouse jockeys and kicking it deep into the end zone...what else can Urb do?
Sort of reminds of the vertical passing game...with the season on the brink and no other options left...try hitting the tight end over the middle.... ;)
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
It’s such a good strategy when it works. And it really shouldn’t be difficult. Just do your job. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some veterans take over on the corner to prevent returns from ever making it around the edge.
PSU had a perfect blocking scheme set up as I saw the side player get pushed right out of the way. Nine of the ten charging tacklers CANNOT simply run to the same spot on the field against a well coached team or that return is exactly what is going to happen. We have already seen it happen three or four times. How hard-headed is Meyer?
The return team can’t line everyone up on that side of the field. For that reason, the blockers on the field side are already at a disadvantage before the ball is kicked. The end guys just can’t let themselves get sealed.
Gimme some Lorain tough as steel Rashod Berry on kickoff coverage. He plays with attitude.
Gotta love it.
That would be dangerous.....for the kick returner that is. I could see some fumbled kick returns if he is in fact placed on the kickoff unit.
I don't believe UFM for one second that neither kicker can get touchbacks, That first kick to Saquon was right where UFM's design would place it, that isn't coincidence. And the out of bounds are a consequence of trying to put it into the corner of the field.
I'm with you - at least one, if not both, are fully capable of cranking it deep. Despite placing it just fine, the coverage sucks
Special-teams has always been a place for players to earn their keep and fight their way into playing time other places in a sense. A lot of guys learn a lot through special teams but I think the experiment is over and it's time to put your best players forward
Can Mack or Worley kick the ball out of the endzone?
The answer is Rashod Berry. Stand him on the wide side of the field to ensure no returner dares venture that way.
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You mean out of all of those nonstarters they cannot find 10 hungry driven kids who want to become a starter by drilling someone? Who the heck is recruiting these creampuffs?
You did say kids. And I wouldnt call anyone who's lived through that dojo a creampuff. Be cool
I've been through Ann arbor one time. I pulled over at a gas station and forced a poop.
I feel like Meyer and staff, at times, give up too easily on a player or a group like Haubeil and these young men on the kick coverage. At what point does the finger need to be pointed at the coaching staff? These are very athletic, talented, and intelligent young men. Teach them what they are to do and spend time with them rather than dismiss them and move on to the next. As an aside, our special teams have not been good for at least a couple of years now. I'm willing to wager the players have changed a great deal over that time but the coaches have remained the same. What is the constant here?
While I agree to an extent did you see the coverage on that opening kickoff for TD? I'm 99.9% certain the coaches aren't teaching them to completely give up contain on the outside (right side) of the field. I counted at least 3-4 guys that had no business being where they were and were out of position when Saquon crossed the damn 12 yard line.
At the end of the day the players make the plays.
“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”
Right, I don't disagree. But I haven't seen the staff stand up and say we need to coach these young men better. I've heard things like we don't have a kicker that kicks like we want, or we need to get new players in there bc the other guys aren't cutting it.
Right right I see what you mean and I agree.
getting better players on KO team is a start! however, if they don't stay in their lanes they will get burned too!!!
most of our problems are coaching problems and how the players are not executing what they are supposed to do!!
I like the changes - NO INJURIES
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the simpler and safer solution would be trying to kick the ball through the end zone every time, taking the kickoff coverage unit out of the equation, but Meyer insists that his kickers have not proven capable to do that on a consistent basis.
Okay, some journalist is going to have to press him on this answer because it is very hard to believe and it doesn't look good when Cameron Johnston is refuting this claim.
Yes, I agree. This seemed like bull even before players and others associated with the program, or who are in the know, started refuting Urban.
Shout out to Worley for volunteering to go help. Not too many captains on ST, but this is the kind of situation where it's needed.
Haubeil has plenty of leg strength to kick into or out of the end zone EVERY time. Our D is more than good enough to stuff teams from driving the ball 75 yards and putting a lot of points on the board. Why ever give another team a chance for easy points?? Come on coaches do the right thing and kick it through the end zone
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
It’s been suggested by some Ohio State fans and even former players that the simpler and safer solution would be trying to kick the ball through the end zone every time, taking the kickoff coverage unit out of the equation, but Meyer insists that his kickers have not proven capable to do that on a consistent basis.
Two things... First, total BS. Willing to bet if you held an open tryout you'd find a dozen kids who can do this consistently. Second, for the love of god it doesn't have to be booted out of the end-zone and into the stands. Kicking the ball even half way back into the endzone would cancel out just about every freaking return. VERY FEW college coaches let guys return the ball out of the endzone if they are on the goal line and have to step back to get the ball...
kick the ball through the end zone every time.... Meyer insists that his kickers have not proven capable to do that on a consistent basis.
Have a hard time understanding that. And by consistent basis, I'm assuming Meyer means it on a relative basis, that kicking through the end zone is no more reliable of an outcome than putting it in that small corner. Just hard to time understanding that.
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I’m not gonna question the HC here but man I think this is a dumb idea. If we are truly that school where “our backups would start at 90% of other schools” then why are they gonna get replaced? It’s not the players, its the placement of the kick and the hangtime. When they get about 3 seconds of hangtime and place it in that 5x5 box, you stop people inside the 15. If your kicker can’t do it consistently then you take that loss, accept the change and kick it in the end zone or where the kicker CAN put it consistently.
"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes
Will these starters then be "starters" on the KO team, and if so, does that mean they'll actually start? Maybe there can be 15 or so KO team starters, some of whom will actually "start," or better yet, maybe there will be 15 or so KO team starters, ALL of whom actually start, which should improve the coverage immensely!
Urban, as he gets older, gets more stubborn...
clearly based on comments by a couple of players (former players) re: ability to kick the ball out of bounds, we should just do that.
perhaps not 100% of the time, but against teams like PSU with players like Barkley... to me, it's not worth 5 yards or so deeper by perfectly executing what Urban wants to do w/ his corner kick strategy.
i don't believe for 1 second that no one at OSU team can kick the ball out of bounds.. our freshman kicker did so numerous times in the first few games.. he certainly can...
it's 9th game of the season and Urban is still talking about this crap. imagine if we had lost PSU game what the national media would be saying about Urban... (over the hill stubborn Urban who can't change with the times)..
1. The stacked set up for KO has to be put to a stop. It allows for what we all witnessed vs Maryland and PSU (one of PSU's was by an OLB...that's just sad).
2. They MUST get separation when they get down the field in proximity to the returner. They are like flies to a sticky fly trap when they get down field and make contact with opposing players. That's coaching...(see Urban Meyer).
3. I agree with the above "Clown Show" comment. It's spot on. Let's hope that the switch up of personnel will make a difference. IMO this ultimate failure on KO has been the lack of intensity from the players and other points made above (which is also coaching).
It is time!!!!!
I would hate to see a starter injured covering kicks, not worth the risk.
I keep looking at the film of the kick off and keep hoping that Corey
Smith shows up down the left side between the 10 and 20 yard line as he always did last year to drop the return guy
Change of personnel? Hey Urban: The whole country is laughing. Just find a kicker who can put it out of the end zone. Last years punter is even calling you out on twitter saying you’re full of sh*t saying they can’t. Put down your stats that someone is feeding you about drives starting inside the 20 and what those metrics mean. Cuz so far they have resulted in TDs. Like I said, everyone is laughing.
There's a lot of talk on this page about these hot prospects not getting more playing time, about guys that people think are stellar athletes not seeing more of the field on offense or defense. A lot of people seem to suggest that it's because coaches are blinded by loyalty to more experienced players, don't realize how amazing these guys are, that we need to give them a chance.
Well, for a lot of young players on Urban's roster every year, as it also was with Tressel most years, a lot of young guys merit playing time by going out and getting it done on special teams. As Mack mentioned, it requires you to go hard, handle your assignment, stay in your lane. It's a stepping stone to being out on the field with your position group. Our kick coverage lapses have made it clear that those who aren't seeing as much playing time as some expected of them in their first year simply haven't handled their business with this one thing, and that's enough to make it difficult to trust them in the offensive or defensive sets.
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