Five Takeaways From Penn State's Trouncing of Michigan Before Nittany Lions Come to Columbus

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Maybe it’s me but I saw McSorley throw some balls up for grabs. Our DBs have to have their best game yet, as a group. There will be turnovers to be had. But it’s really in the trenches, especially our Slobs v their DL. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

He threw them up for grabs last year. 

Iowa kept it close by taking away the deep ball. McSorley’s longest completion was 23 yards twice, both to Hamilton. 

Everyone seems to think containing Barkley is the key to beating PSU but I think it’s McSorley. He’s Baker Mayfield 2.0. Take away his mobility and he’s a different player.

Mike McCray got burned on that 36 yard TD pass to Barkley, who he was trying to cover one on one in the slot. Huge mismatch plus there was no safety help. Fortunately, our LBs are faster and more athletic than Michigan’s but I think putting pressure on McSorley and our safeties are going to be the keys on defense.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Agreed. McSorley scrambling can be daggers....enter Bosa and Co.  

As far as our LBs 33 has really come on and 17 has momentum back, so is it 35 or the Albino Rhino? I can see Tuf as a spy. Schiano was saying earlier this week about game planning being like a buffet, so...we’ll see. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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khardy's picture

Well  said, I agree Mcsorley needs one good hit put on him and his tiny legs will be gone.

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Turfgrad's picture

Welcome to the 'Shoe'!

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Buckloving's picture

Right maybe they'll be scared like Oklahoma was

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DCBuckeye33's picture

feel like your name should be............

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Buckloving's picture

I'm not trying to be popular. ...I grew out of that long before you were born

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BluntedBrutus's picture

Another in agreement here. Hoping Jordan Fuller has another big game in him, we'll need him. Also, I pray Kendall Sheffield is never matches up with Daesean.

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Dan Hope's picture

You're absolutely right. He threw a bunch of balls up for grabs last night. Problem for Michigan was he hit most of them. If he plays the same way against Ohio State, there will be some turnover opportunities. Those can just as easily be big-play opportunities, though, as we saw last night. Going to be a big test on whether the Buckeyes' defensive backs have improved.

Buckloving's picture

Yes they looked so good against Indiana. I'm sure we'll be ok.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Have you seen no improvement in the DB's since Indiana?

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Buckloving's picture

Sure. Against a bunch of bad teams. I realize you guys are impressed by that. I am not. If they play well the next month I'll be happy to have that conversation with you. Not after Army Nevada Rutgers and Maryland

bobbyd

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Mcsorley throws it up for grabs often. Our dbs better take advantage and get a couple picks...

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Bamabucknut's picture

Yes he threw em up...but like Oklahoma....the PA receivers pulled em down.

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YoungBuck2019's picture

DB's HAVE to play the ball this week

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Capt. Kline's picture

Me thinks that our defensive backs need to play the ball instead of the wide receivers. Watching the psu QB,s passes, he throws many of their long gains with high arc and fading into the sideline.

Our team must crowd their receivers into the boundary while turning to look for the ball, 

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chibucks's picture

as long as the DBs turn their heads and stop doing the face guarding thing.

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

We gotta get better on pass defense

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khardy's picture

Don't forget the JT Barnett factor, in recent years he has played well against PS but he can throw a stinker against good teams.

bigndog

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nm_buck's picture

Don't forget the JT Barnett factor,

CJ's brother? 

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chemicalwaste's picture

No, Gary's son.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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Buckloving's picture

Doesn't he have 5 losses as a starter?

bobbyd

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awlinBrutus's picture

Tmac take a look at the teams they have played so far, not impressive at all. Hence the high rankings nationally. They should have lost @ Iowa imo. And ttun was overrated all year just because everyone thinks crazy jimmy walks on water. If we come out focused and fired up we win comfortably. If we play timid like we did against Oklahoma it’s going to be a long night.

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HandsOfSweed's picture

There won't be anything even slightly comfortable about this game for either team. (As I stare deeply into the frozen, piercing blue eyes of The Night King in the Season 7 Blue-Ray banner ad to my right.....).

Winter is here.

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TMac's picture

Awlin, I find stats to be interesting, but as you pointed out. they aren't necessarily predictive of what happens next.  PSU is a good team, and will e our toughest test since week two. But I do believe we will pass that test and impress the heck out of the CFP voters, the only eyeballs that really matter. 

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C-Deck's picture

The Buckeyes will be their toughest test to date.

"Hit them hard and see how they fall"

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Buckloving's picture

So you're saying we're going to lose. ....because we sure as hell didn't beat Oklahoma

bobbyd

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Extramedium's picture

And we won the national championship after losing to Virginia Tech.  Let's not get too dramatic just yet.

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stpetebuck's picture

Mich time of possession 33:56

psu time of possession 27:04

Mich has a very bad offense but I’m surorided by this stat  

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stpetebuck's picture

I’m surprised by this stat. 

Fat thumbs

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Brutus's picture

Dammit, you just made me look up surorided thinking it might be a fancy word of the day. I figured maybe something along the lines of “comforted” or “soothed”. But spell check even knows you meant surprised. So now I’ve wasted two minutes AND I’m not any smarter. 

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suit's picture

Haha, I did the same thing!

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Frimmel's picture

TTUN doesn't really run tempo. They take their time and they ran it forty-two times. PSU scored fast on some big plays.

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I agree well placed tempo changes the game, it almost gives you an extra player when ran correctly! 

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Buck68's picture

we've so known for decades that time of possession is so important to winning...

we so need to mantra 'time of possession is key' until whatever it means... goes away.  LOL

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Pass Def - 37

That's a helluva climb from dead last.

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Buck68's picture

good ol' #37... i KNEW we could do it!   LOL

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I don't put much stock into these numbers since the two teams did not play same schedules to date under same conditions. So it only adds to the mass speculation these games often have leading up to a marquee game. It will come down to who executes better. Plain and simple.

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Buck68's picture

...but i didn't survive my self!   ;-{)}

for i truly honestly believe.... "my perception is reality".  Totally...really; "plain and simple" ...actually.

OTOH, IMO you're onto something rational in your first sentence.  And LOL ... "so it only adds to the mass speculation...".   ;-{)}

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Schizo's picture

OSU wins in a shootout? 

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Chic'sGhost's picture

I was reading MGoBlog, and I was shocked to read that 90% of them feel OSU will beat Penn State. I think they put Meyer on the scale of an invincible Dearth Vader and Meyer is just in their heads. One poster sees a "jail sexing" coming from Meyer.
I will say that McSorley hit some incredible passes. He scares me more than Barkley.

Maybe Dobbins will get tired. Michigan Man, 11-30-2019

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suit's picture

You beat me to it.  I was just saying that even when they talk about us now-a-days there's no more "Ohio" usage - it's either Ohio State, or OSU.  And either one they choose, it's properly capitalized ha. 

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Spivan's picture

I do my best to avoid that catastrophe of a geocities site. The B1G Facebook groups I troll on the other hand still constantly use ohio and oswho...

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BigChief's picture

McSorley doesn’t scare me with his arm. He is fearless when he throws and trusts his receivers to make a play. He scares me with his legs though. He’s a respectable runner

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linepilot15's picture

I think McSorley is a very underrated passer. Many of those, so-called lob passes up for grabs, are by design to take advantage of the height of the receiver.  He also hit several slants and crossing routes. He's elusive and doesn't get sacked much. To me, he is the key to winning the game. If NorthWestern can control Barkley the Bucks can too. Stop McSorley's running and get some pressure on him in the pocket.
 

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

I agree with your statement about McSorley although I'm not a fan.  He will not make it in the NFL with all of the jump balls but we're not talking about the NFL.  His receivers make incredible plays on the ball.  Hamilton and Gesicki high point the ball and are taller than most DB's.  Our DB's need to hit the PSU WRs hard and make them think twice about exposing their ribs catching the jump ball.

On the other side of the ball I thought PSU dialed up some blitzes on O'Korn and got out of the pocket and rattled.  I hope we move the pocket some and use enough RPO's to keep their defense guessing.

GO BUCKS!  BEAT PSU!

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Woody Hayes 1913 - 1987

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Buck68's picture

IIRC many moons ago, several opponents adopted the "get Rex Kern every play, whether he has the ball or not" strategy vs the Bucks of 1968-70.

These days rules & refs are far more protective of the QB.

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stpetebuck's picture

The fact that the Larry Johnson dl plays a contain style pass rush bodes well in containing a running qb. 

Mayfield killed us by improvising pass plays while running. 

We can allow the back shoulder passes like we did against Indiana and hope to force field goals and outscore the nits.  

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Bukirob's picture

This was a RED LETTER game for PSU.  They have been pointing to that game since the end of the season last year.  It was @ home in a whiteout.

The UM defense outside of AirForce which is a gimmicky offense had not faced an offense ranked any higher than #88 in scoring offense.  IOW the defense had built up its gaudy stats on crap defenses.

The UM offense had problems BEFORE O'Korn was forced into action.  The PSU defense is legit and the offense feasted on a largely untested defense that got exposed.  PSU played out of their minds and the result is what it is.  I mean, when the UM Offense is scoring 29 at home against Air Force, 28 against Purdue, 10 against MSU, 20 in regulation against IU why is ANYONE surprised that they only managed 13 against a VASTLY superior opponent in that environment?

I simply don't see PSU matching that level of intensity in Cbus.  Honestly, I think OSU is going to absolutely HAMMER Penn State

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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YIATG's picture

I disagree with their intensity.  They treat us like we treat *ichigan.  They will use next weekend as a RED LETTER game.  We need to put them in their place.

Buckeye for Life

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awlinBrutus's picture

BukiRob, exactly. I would add we cannot allow a LB or safety to cover Hamilton. Our best DB needs to follow him wherever he lines up.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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2morrow's picture

I like how you think Bukirob

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Buckloving's picture

Call Vegas. ....I like how everyone thinks they know what's going to happen. ....the same people who knew what was going to happen with Oklahoma

bobbyd

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Extramedium's picture

Do you give up on life after every loss?  Or is it just the one to Oklahoma that's so painful?

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TLB's picture

They, like me, have come to really dislike PSU and their arrogant fans 

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

This will be an unpopular opinion but Penn State fans when they are good are more annoying than TTUN fans when they are good. Most of the time I laugh at the annoying TTUN fan. I want to punch the Penn State fan in the face. 

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BucksHave7's picture

BY FAR......PSU fans are the worst.  Not even close.  Ive had 300lbs PSU female students curse at me in State College for wearing my Buckeye jersey.   

BucksHave7

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Saying "300lb PSU female students" is redundant and VERY generous. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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RedQueenRace's picture

but Penn State fans when they are good are more annoying than TTUN fans when they are good.

PSU fans are more annoying, period.  To me they are the biggest group of whiners and worse in CFB.

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Posterchild's picture

Our linebackers and secondary better be ready or this is going to be a long game.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Urban Meyer has Penn st right where he wants them.....flying hi and overconfident. Get your tooth brush ready nits.....gonna need it after the shitburger you're going to eat next sat.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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Posterchild's picture

Flying high... until the spread came out and we are still favored by 7. Franklin will grind into his team the fact that they won the Big Ten on the field last year, and they got disrespected by the playoff committee by having us in, instead of them. I expect they come out with a real chip on their shoulder. I mean they just waxed scUM, are undefeated and #2 in the country and still are not favored against us. I have faith that we come out strong and possibly win this game. I just don't think PSU lays an egg due to overconfidence.

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Turfgrad's picture

Hit them hard and often. Welcome to the 'Shoe'.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

Let's see what happens to the spread by kickoff.....

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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OSU_undergrad's picture

This game looks scary. I think the best we can hope for is holding them to 28 points (unless we are better than I think) with our defense. I'm a JT believer now after the last 5 games, but I hope he maintains his confidence and the coaches don't become ultraconservative if we miss a few plays early. This will be the true test for the offense.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Amen.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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script-ohio's picture

My concern is that the passing game will be overly horizontal and we'll regress to being fearful in our vertical game.  Either due to tentative playcalling or JT holding the ball until a guy is WIDE open.  Gonna be pretty mad if we're throwing WR screens all day and every throw is within 4 yards of the line of scrimmage.

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thorvath22's picture

the horizontal passing game and even the short passing game can still be very dangerous if we are able to run the ball well and our receivers are able to break loose for YAC yards, but yes ideally i would like them to be able to hit some deep passes early so the Defense has to at least respect it.

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suit's picture

I encourage anyone who needs some feel-good reading to head on over to MGoBlog and read some of the post-game threads.  So damn entertaining.   Like the show "Scared Straight", I like using that site as a way to remind fellow Buckeyes just how good we have it.  Hell, even when they make fun of us these days they do so with respect now ("Ohio State").  

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Blindsquirrel's picture

   Oh Yes! A thousand times yes! The comments on Mgobawl are first rate entertainment and the whining, entitled wolverweenies are just priceless. The fear and hate they have for TOSU is reminds me of a litter runt facing the giant, snarling alpha wolf of the pack. The Buckeyes own such a giant percentage of the available real estate inside their narrow little rodent knoggins it is amazing.   They are pathetic and GD I love it! 

Go Buckeyes!

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BuckeyeChris's picture

I love, too, how this is suddenly a "rebuilding year," but they've all figured it was from the beginning?!!?!

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KENTACOHUT's picture

That’s BS ! When scum fans are the most pathethic , they talked so much trash after the Oklahoma thrashing . Now they get beat twice , which after the Cincinnati game I knew they sucked. Now it’s a rebuilding year GO BloW .......

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I absolutely love wandering over to that site - it is so entertaining.  Their fans, like their program, is a heaping pile of flaming feces.  Am I a horrible person to get so much joy out of it?  Probably - but the bad karma points are worth it!

I do have to say though, that site if one of the worst laid out sites on the Internet - just plain horrible.  Obviously put together by one of their top tech engineers... 

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LB U's picture

Penn State is a really really good team. They have weapons at wide receiver and a great tight end, and they have the best player in college football by a mile, Barkley is simply special.. I expect Saturday's game to come down to QB play, Barret needs to play really well for us to win.

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SpringtuckyBuck's picture

He doesn't have to be Superman; just be the Distributor

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chemicalwaste's picture

It'd be a lot cooler if he was Superman.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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TioSalamanca's picture

Barkley is very good but gimme a break with the "best player."

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LB U's picture

Who have you seen this year that's better?

Take Barkely off Penn State's roster and they're a 8-4 team. The guy is ridiculous.

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BucksHave7's picture

He is not a Heisman Winner.   His numbers are to be on par w Curtis Samuel by ends season.   

PSU hasnt been there before.  None of their wanna be fans have seen a PSU heisman winner or a PSU NC. 

BucksHave7

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BbBnD's picture

Barkley has 1478 (1205 rushing/receiving) all purpose yards and 12 touchdowns through 7 games. 

Curtis had 998 yards (all rushing/receiving) and 7 TDs through 7 games.

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fishleehooker's picture

Curtis surely had more yards per touch though.  His ypc was well over 7. 

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cdub4's picture

Samuel and Barkley are not comparable. Barkley is a true RB, he has more carries already than Samuel had last year, of course he is going to have less yards per touch than a part time slot WR.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I agree but what makes him dangerous is you have to account for him on he field and it automatically causes mistmatches. That’s what makes him so effective 

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Take away that one run on the 2nd play of the game, and his rushing stats for the night are not very impressive.  He is a good receiver, and showed great focus on that late TD.  He's had my attention since his game against us his freshman year, but IMO he has been a bit disappointing this year, against very mediocre competition.  Going into last night, he had fewer rushing yards than Dobbins.  He might win the Heisman, and I'd be OK with that, but at this point in the season I can't say he is the best player in the country.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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LB U's picture

You can't just take away his best run of the night because it's convenient for you argument. Take away Dobbins' best run in all his games, and yeah, he probably wouldn't be averaging 7+ yards/carry. It's not fair to do that.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Agree, just using it to illustrate that most of his carries yesterday didn't amount to much.  Not sure what his 2nd longest carry was.  IMO, Mayfield and Love have better resumes thus far this season.   

Barkley was my pre-season pick, but he hasn't really lived up to it thus far, but there is still a lot of football left to play.  I want us to give him his worst game of the season, but after next Saturday I wish him all the best.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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WeGotBeets's picture

uhh, have you watched Barkley play? he's got derrick henry's strength with reggie bush's speed. other backs might have better numbers atm, but there isn't a more complete player in cfb right now than SB. the dude is unstoppable 1v1

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fishleehooker's picture

Barkleys highlights are nasty, but he disappears for stretches each game.  He is great, but the hype is higher than it was on Zeke. 

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MDBuckeye2002's picture

Barkley vs Derrick Henry is not a fair comparison.  Henry is 6'3 240~ where Barkley is listed at 5'11 220~.  Barkley is not even as close to as strong of a runner as Henry.  Barkley is a great talent but let's not get carried away.

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TMac's picture

OSU was a visiting #2 when the Nittany Kittens upset us last year. Turnabout is not only fair, but necessary. 

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Buck68's picture

i wonder... is "turnabout" as "fair" as the blind denials that led forced happened 'allowed' us to the 'turn' before...and before that?

what "happens" to 'happening' when we blame it on some Fluke Theory in whatever relationship with the Totally Actually Really Scientific Inherently Conflicted Thrillogy of Random Determinism in Entropy? [Statisticians... start your counting!]

TMac - IMO your post is a vital invitation to question our values which we largely ignore vs 'lesser opponents'... which is a major issue in itself - especially when UFM asserts beating up on lessers is great 'preparation' and 'confidence' for those opponents 'our own size'.

IMO 'turnabout' comes from the same dark value forest as 'fair' and 'revenge'.   This 'sorta NOT like a family' group of terms fits into the panoply of Zero-Sum games, where the 'best' outcome is to 'get back' to ZERO.

Yet i don't hear any of us screaming "TIE Penn State"!  Perhaps 'fair' is just a teensy bit... revealing ... exactly what we do not want to question?  IF so, wouldn't this indicate a... value blindspot relative to our Close Encounters of the Third Kind?     ;-{)} 

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TMac's picture

Ouch!

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mr.green's picture

That is NOT Holt’s account. 

.... be careful out there  

And Go Buckeyes! 

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TMac's picture

I didn't think it was, the tweet itself fit my worldview, didn't care if it was from Jim Harbaugh, Lester, or John Doe. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I’m glad it’s not as that was tasteless

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stpetebuck's picture

Wow 

smack two teams simultaneously 

f’n brilliant!

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

A lot of that TTUN fan chatter on us beating PSU is butthurt. If we win it will be because we won a war of attrition at the end or OT. We're not strong enough to destroy the No.2 team in the country. Its just not gonna happen.

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TioSalamanca's picture

The number 2 team with the breeziest schedule to date.

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Extramedium's picture

Just because the meaningless AP and coaches' poll have them ranked at 2 currently, it doesn't mean they are the 2nd best team in the country.

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Hovenaut's picture

Want to add that Penn State's offensive line held up very well last night.

I'm giving them credit, they returned serve against M...igan, and waited a full year to do it.

Ohio State will have to earn it next Saturday.

Beat Penn State, go Buckeyes.

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bd2999's picture

From the bit I saw they did, but Michigan also got pressure on him earlier in the game. Will be curious to see how they approach the game but this is not going to be a low scoring game. 

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That's_Mr_Donald_Nicholas's picture

The OL looked pretty solid, especially for what was advertised as the weak link.  

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Dgeneral's picture

Too many OSU fans not realizing how good PSU is. They have the the better QB, RB, WR, TE and secondary in this game. The only true edge OSU has is its DLine. Add the special teams clowns OSU has out there, Penn State should feel they have the better team regardless where the game is played.

For OSU to win this game it is about forcing some turnovers and maybe scoring a defensive TD. We will see if Barrett can finally play a good game against an elite team.

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bd2999's picture

I fail to see why most of this matters. It is not like they would be much better at the spots except maybe at QB and secondary. And going into last years game PSU won a game where OSU was clearly better in every area of the game. 

I agree that turnovers are critical to both sides but I think OSU's offense should be fine. 

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Ethos's picture

Sorry but they definitely do not have the better qb. Jt gets a lot of shit around here but there is no way I'd take mcsorley over jt right now.

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

Beat me to it!

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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LB U's picture

To me they're basically the same player. Mcsorely is more of a risk taker, but they have alot of the same skill traits.

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WeGotBeets's picture

true Mcsorley has looked mediocre this year, but we should take nothing for granted

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85ThruTheHeart's picture

Agreed they deserve respect, but they absolutely do not have the better qb. I thought we put that kind of talk to bed. Especially against mr 50/50?? Ludicrous.

"He has that look in his eye when it's time to start feeding the beast" UFM on EZE

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LB U's picture

Mcsorely is a great player, and he's played better in big games so far this year than Barret. Lets not foget the level of competition Barret has thrived against this year has been below average to say the least.

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awlinBrutus's picture

LB U, you might want to look at psu’s Schedule first before you say they have had a tougher. That statement couldn’t be further from the truth imo.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Have you seen Penn State's schedule? Not exactly murderer's row...

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LB U's picture

@ Iowa and vs Michigan, two wins better than any we currently have.. Am I wrong? Or is Indiana and Maryland considered better victories. Asking for a friend.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Are you talking about the 4-3 Iowa team that has victories over Wyoming, Iowa State, North Texas, and Illinois? Not to mention the very young TTUN with an offense that has been very inept most of the year, especially since Speight left with his injury (and a very difficult atmosphere in Happy Valley "white-out" conditions? Asking for your other friend.

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LB U's picture

Their best win is better than our best win, It's not even close. I don't understand the argument being made, we have very comparable schedules and Mcsorely performed better than Barret in the big game. Why is this so hard to understand. Also, night games in Kinnick stadium are not easy, no matter how good Iowa's record is. (See 10-0 Michigan last year losing to 7-5 Iowa)

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Extramedium's picture

The argument is that they haven't played a tough game yet.  And if we played OU now, I think it would be a very different game than week 2.

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fishleehooker's picture

Michigan and Indiana went to OT. Damn near the same skill this year for sure. 

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sfgoody's picture

Barkely is the best RB on the field, by a lot, but with dobbins, weber and jt I'd argue our run game is better. And seriously, mrsorley is a better qb than jt? We're still saying stuff like this.....? smh

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allinosu's picture

Going into this game I don't think either has a QB advantage unless you are a homer.

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LB U's picture

Agreed. I have no idea what would make anyone think we have a clear advantage at QB.

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Dgeneral's picture

Barrett has had ONE good game his entire career against elite competition- at Sparty in14. He has been dreadful in big game games since. Clemson, Michigan, Oklahoma, Sparty last year he was terrible. Until he can show he can throw accurately downfield, not panic in the pocket and make quicker decisions and reads against pressure defenses he is a liability. McSorley has shown the ability to scramble and still complete passes downfield.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

IDK why _ichigan is included in this list.  The first three quarters of that game may not have been his best, but he owned them in the 4th.   Samuel got the iconic picture at the end (in the ugly helmet) but Barrett was the engine the drove the machine the length of the field to set him up.  Remember his nice run punking Peppers?

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CowCat's picture

JT Barrett is 8-3 against top 15 teams. We fans tend to over-emphasize the losses to Clemson and Oklahoma.

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BrutusB's picture

JT also basically beat PSU himself in '14.  Might want to go re-watch those overtimes.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Not sure if it counts, but JT was superlative against OU in a very hostile environment last year.  Clemson and TTUN understood our unwillingness (or inability) to throw the ball, thus the results.  This year, OU did the same against an extremely young WR corps and QB who hadn't gelled as a unit yet.  I may be wrong, but JT didn't just start QBing late last night and the WRs (and playbook) are more confident and diverse than in week 2.   I like our chances.  Let's see what happens. 

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buckeyenationlouisvillebranch's picture

JT is far and beyond McSorely in game management and reading defenses. McSorely can throw the ball but if we disguise some of our coverages and blitz schemes we could surprise him a few times. The difference with JT is that it very difficult to confuse him. Most of the time he blows up the defense play before the ball is snapped. That is where we have a clear advantage at QB

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WC Buckeye's picture

McSorley had as many interceptions LAST NIGHT as J.T. has had ALL SEASON. Can we please stop with the "J.T. is garbage" narrative?

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Dgeneral's picture

No one is saying he is garbage. He is just limited and not good against top competition. There is a reason Clemson's DBs were laughing watching the tape of Barrett.

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fishleehooker's picture

Were the laughing because they had a thumb up each other's ass?

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fishleehooker's picture

Clemson was reading our calls and our Offensive coordinators were OBVIOUSLY on the way out the door.  Kicking game missing 2 fgs and ignoring Curtis in the run game, as well as Weber fumble really didn't give JT much a chance.  We will see in a few weeks, but I have seen a really good QB that got stuck with Tim Beck in mid career. This year can reverse all that damage. IMO anyway.     

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Ask Texas how they feel about beck ! He’s up to his same old tricks 

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Extramedium's picture

I think they were more laughing at Tim Beck when it all comes down to it.  He's currently making Herman look as good as he made us look the previous two seasons.

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brutus0717's picture

Those positions don't play each other, they play against our D. Definitely going to be a good matchup tho.

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allinosu's picture

I've said all along that the PSU game was going to be tough. After last night I'm not as sold on the PSU defense(very good but not smothering), especially pass defense UM has one of the worst passing attack and at times had success. Our running QB gives us a better chance of success on the ground. We definitely have much better depth and team speed. UM didn't control the ball enough to wear PSU down. They are definitely a handful but not always like they were last night, especially the offense. They are a big play offense and limiting them is the key.

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smithwessonBuckeye's picture

You had me until you called the Special Teams clowns. I agree with everything else but that was pretty harsh. 

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TShell's picture

QB I would call a push at worst. They do have the edge in TE/WR, RB individually yes Barkley is better, but rushing offense in general I would give to the good guys. A RB isn't worth much if he is stuffed in the backfield because the line can't keep the defense off of him. They give up a lot of negative plays even with that great back. We have 2 good ones, and have less negative plays and are less prone to turnovers.

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hairlessnutts's picture

you totally forgot to mention we have the far and away better offensive line... so basically we have the far and away better Dline, and far and away better Oline!!!  give me that ratio any day in a football game i could care less who you skill guys are

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Bigmarty's picture

This will be the difference on how JT plays.  How will our OL protect?  Does psu have good enough athletes on their front 7 to reintroduce the OLAY concept to our QB?  They have a very good TE that we seem to bypass.  our LBs need to be able to cover him and 26 .  McCray couldn't cover either very well last night.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

We also need to take a page out of Iowa’s playbook their d line did a great job of batting mcsorely balls at the line of scrimmage.

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BucksHave7's picture

Disagreed on all your comments. 

Pound it down their throats, our Xs are better than their Os.

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TomD's picture

IMO, much of the perceived advantage that Penn State has at the offensive skill positions is a reflection of the fact that the Nits offense is dynamic and not predictable. The recent Wilson/Day offense can take fuller advantage of the Buckeye's overall talent, speed and athleticism advantage by being more aggressive on offensive - a disciplined aggression and a smart aggression. The players must execute, but they must have a dynamic game plan to execute, and one that is flexible and immediately attacks the Penn State defensive scheme.

The Buckeyes distinctly play away from their advantage when the offense reverts into it's shell.

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WC Buckeye's picture

I agree. I also think that we've not seen a lot of what's in a much deeper playbook than people realize. This week's going to be a lot of fun.

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jdoncbus's picture

With PSU throwing passes up for grabs, I hope Coombs and Schiano have the DB’s turning their heads to make a play on the ball. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

DB play will be crucial. Is Mr. Wade healthy enough to contribute ? Don't go to the biggest game of the year with 70% of your weapons.

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

My main takeaway from the game is that PSU is pretty darn good. Another takeaway is that UM isn't.

PSU has a good TE, Hamilton is a good wide out and the Barkley can catch in addition to his running threat. McSorley didn't have a whole lot of pressure when throwing that I could see. Ohio State needs to make him have nervous feet to produce more shaky throws. If he has time to pick and choose our DB's could be in for a long day.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

MEH—this PSU Team had a great chance to prove their worth by beating USC. They didn’t.  They’ve got talent, but we know exactly where that talent is, and it’s been written up in this excellent summary. PSU has absolutely no idea where our threat will come from. We have more than Five players that can kill you on either side of the ball. They don’t. Also, TTUN sucks the big one. I didn’t talk to One fan that thought they’d beat Ped U. Not one. O’Korn is terrible. Who’s their running back? Which receiver is elite again? Anyway, can PSU beat OSU? Yes, absolutely. NIU could too. WILL PSU beat OSU? Absolutely not. OSU 56-PSU 14. GO BUCKS!!!

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allinosu's picture

56-14 really? More like 26-24. I'll take a one point win in this one.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Night game in Columbus. Revenge game. Buckeyes firing on all cylinders on both sides of the ball. You’d better believe it. Maybe the top end is too high because both teams like to run, but it’ll be a blowout either way. Barkley is over half their offense. McSorley is dangerous, but he’s no Mayfield. We shall see, but the way we’re playing now, I feel confident this is going to be a march to the national championship showdown with Alabama that none of the B1G dwarves are gonna stand in the way of. Especially after a bye week to prepare and get healthy. 

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allinosu's picture

I want what your having. No Mayfield? That's a matter of opinion that many think the other way around. He made a very good defense look bad last night. We have in no way shown YET that we are among the elite except for beating up on bad teams. It's possible we make it but It's more likely we drop one more.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

There is literally no one who’s put McSorley in the same conversation as Mayfield. No one. McSorley is an above average QB, but Mayfield—jackass that he is—is elite. Few QB’s in college can match his accuracy, mobility, arm strength, and big play ability. As much as it pains me to admit it. McSorley—and the rest of PSU—benefits from having the best RB in the country. Next year’s top five NFL Draft Pick. Bottle him up, PSU crumbles. And because we can go Man to Man in our secondary, we can do a better job of bottling up Barkley and and rushing McSorley. And as for “what I’m taking,” I take nothing. I just study the game and have utmost confidence in where we are as a program right now. PSU is chanting “we want Bama!” Are you kidding me!? 

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allinosu's picture

You must not be watching much sports because his name is brought up everywhere including the player of last nights game by BTN. He also doesn't cost his team with the kind of mistakes Mayfield makes. How you described Mayfield his how McSorley is described. You must not have been watching PSU's earlier games where Barkley was bottled up three games and McSorley came through. You need to take a long look at your study habits with a 56-14 prediction because it is ridiculously homer..

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WeGotBeets's picture

we've lost too many home night games for me to believe it's highly advantageous. i still have nightmares from psu '08

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Schizo's picture

It's a 330PM kick. Is there going be another solar eclipse? 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Sun sets at around 6:30 in Columbus. It will be "at night" at least the 4th quarter, if not well into the 3rd. Sorry to be such a "homer" on a fucking Buckeye fan site. You learned scholars have fun debating with your pipes, tweed jackets, holding leather bound books with other Michigan men. Imma say BUCKS 56-14. Now piss off!! 

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The Rill Dill's picture

It is a 3:30 game, and.....have you seen OSU’s night game (at The ‘Shoe) record? 

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BuckeyeVet's picture

OldTown - It's a 3:00 kickoff, I believe, but I love your confidence! Go Bucks!

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bd2999's picture

Look, they are a good team in various places. They still really have not played anybody but an offensively inept UM. Some are acting like they are world beaters. They have the same issues that OSU has. Who did they beat? 

OSU is by far the best offense they have played. The defense is shaky but they have also struggled to beat teams like Iowa. PSU is good, but it is not like OSU is nothing either. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

I hope the coaches get it in our players heads -- "expect a full 60 minutes from the opponent, but remember it's 'our house, our rules, our victory!'"

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brutus0717's picture

First off, scUM is trash this year, and they're arguably the best team PSU has played so far. That said, PSU is strong and it's going to take all 22 starters, and the Special Teams, playing a solid game to win this one. I'm definitely not overconfident, but I think we have a real shot to slug out a victory.

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nm_buck's picture

This game will come down to defensive line play. 

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WeGotBeets's picture

if our O-line can't hold up then I think our chances of victory are low. hopefully kevin is cooking up some adaptive schemes in such case. our D-line doesn't need 10 sacks. they just need to mostly contain mcsorley and, with LB help, prevent barkley from slipping into screens

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ZeroDimension's picture

JT has been playing great because he isnt being pressured, he will be pressured on Saturday, can he avoid reverting to his bad habits with the pressure, or will he look like he did against (OU, clemson, Michigan, MSU, PSU and wisconsin)?  I dont think we really know yet.  This is a huge chance for growth... Trust the system and his O-Line.

The O-line, to me the O-line the last two years has not been close to the O-line the previous 2 years.  They do not appear to have the same level of talent or coaching.  I do not see a Taylor Decker... If we had that person, and you could put Jamrco on the right side, this could be an awesome line... The O-line, much like JT, has a big opportunity to show they have matured and can handle this test. 

The DBs... if they are not going to play the ball on the Jump ball passes, this is going to be a very long night.. and I already feel sorry for webb.... I trust Schiano... 

I actually like how are WRs are developing, JT has to trust them more and throw the ball.. having a low INT stat is great... as long as you arent avoiding taking good risks... 

How will the middle of our d line hold up, against the PSU rush... this was more of a concern for me before the season.. I think they will be fine.. 

LBs in coverage... good grief.. lets not make their TE a heisman candidate in one game...  

We had a better team last year and lost over there... They had a bye week before OSU, after OSU had to play back to back night games on the road with each of those opps having a bye week.. That was a tall task to ask... 

This year, PSU has the better team... on a neutral field, with equal preparation I would give them the advantage... But this year, we have the bye week, and PSU had to spend prep time for michigan... We have a 6 million dollar coach and some very talented assistants, we are 6 years into meyer recruits, and a veteran QB, with a stud d line....  Just dont lose on special teams, and stop kicking the ball out of bounds... Its a home game.. throw the first punch and keep swinging.. 

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hairlessnutts's picture

"This year, PSU has the better team..."

you sir are drinking too much of the Kool-Aid that ESPN is selling you.... but hell people get rich off of selling the worlds most abundant resource.... 

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WeGotBeets's picture

respect your opponent first, squash their dreams later

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Brutus's picture

We have a 6 million dollar coach and some very talented assistants

But *ichigan has a 9 million dollar coach and some very talented assistants. 9>6 and that didn’t help them. We are f-ed.

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awlinBrutus's picture

For one,  whoever said ttun  was a quality team? They returned 3 on D and lost their best QB. They throttled a bad UF team that had the worst performance of a QB in the first half I have seen in awhile. ttun has victories over Air Force, Cincinnati, Purdue, and squeaked by IU and lost to a very average MSU team. PSU plays over their heads @ Happy Valley @ night we all know that it’s like they have pixie dust. They gave us all we could handle there in 2014 in their 3rd year of one of the harshest sanctions ever leveled on a major program. Half that team was probably walk ons. 

Having said all that psu is no Alabama or Clemson YET. They are a very dangerous team with Mcsorley and Barkley. Those two are very talented competitors, together they play off each other very well. It will take our best effort to date to come out with a victory imo. We can’t afford turnovers stupid penalties or broken coverages like we saw against  the terrapins. They won a game they should have lost @ Iowa where the coach of the year blew it imo. They didn’t play well in that game because it wasn’t in crappy valley. They are a different team on the road. Look at their schedule, not impressive at all imo. We are going to need a big game out of our LB’s as they love attacking the edge with Barkley. Also our best DB needs to be on Hamilton no matter where he lines up, we cannot let a safety cover him. Whoever covers him our safety needs to be aware of where he is to help in coverage. 

With our defense at full strength I think we can slow them down enough to allow our offense to score enough to pull out a win. We all have known other than Oklahoma that the psu game was the most important game for us to achieve our goals of a BIG championship and playoff  appearance. Last nights game hasn’t changed anything for us other than maybe a needed reminder of how important this game has always been. We could intercept Mcsorley 5 times or he could pick us apart. This game could be a game of multiple game changing plays. 

I admit this game has me nervous like a cat on hot tin roof. Which team will we see next Saturday? The one we saw against Oklahoma or the team we have watched steadily improve the last 4 games. I’m hoping we see the best version of the 2017 Buckeye’s that we have seen all year. Go Bucks, what say you my brothers and sista’s ?

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Buck68's picture

Speaking of psychology....

1] What's behind the smoke screen of "he's not afraid to take shots downfield" ...?   Simply, the 'gut feel' we are, once again, in 'transparent' 'avoidance behavior'.

2] Who's "scared"?  When we see another player perform in an outstanding manner 'long enough' to realize [really] he can make those same sorts of plays against us... we don't 'problem solve'... we react emotionally.

3] The 'confidence' of a bully, a fantasizer, a chanter of narratives, a concocter of favorable statistics, an 'equalizer' of all teams ... turns into churns in the stomach, cold sweat on the brow, angry denials... for The Day of Reckoning Approacheth.

4] I agree with those who, comparing our best players with PSU's at RB, WR, TE, opine that PSU's best may well appear a tad better.  And McSorley plays QB, not with his fears... perhaps not even "to be pass-happy"!  ;-{)}   And #40 on D is in the finest tradition of PSU LB's.

Yes, Virginia, PSU is indeed... 'someone our size' in talent.  But IF, as Chris Spielman says, "football is 90% mental", our task is to put some serious backbone in our emotional wobbles & tap dances... and at the very least, get into the 'more wrinkles & adjustments than them' game.

Most of all, in the spirit of "speak softly, but carry a big stick" ...keep challenging our own toughness instead of chanting about how tough we are.

For this clash next Saturday is a clash of wills driving the great attributes, of that now-despised character called 'manhood.'   The dross will be burned out in the crucible; the question, is 'what remains'? 

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Ps it's's picture

A small island of rationality in this thread.  I love point 3

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I agree , one advantage we have is that Wilson /day make in game adjustments, something we have “mcsorely “missed the past two years.  You see what I did there.  Beck never ever changed our game plan and it caught up to us last year in crappy valley. I trust that it plays begin to fall apart our coordinators will adjust. 

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MY POP OSU Band Member 1940's's picture

Nothing but trouble for Ohio State next week period. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Yawn. Not in our house Baby. PSU beat tOSU last year once in its usual every 5 years.

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stxbuck's picture

Cabinda is a bad man-he ate the Buckeyes alive last year.

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InJTweMust's picture

Lack of offense really killed any shot at UM winning the game. Sure, they made it interesting for about a half, but I doubt any of us thought they were gonna keep it up for all four quarters. Besides, we know the result when the defense is relied on too much.

UM's defense is thought to be awesome, but the talent and depth Meyer & Co. have on the d-line will play a huge part in the outcome. Even though McSorely made some plays, he was also hit a decent bit, particularly in the first half. Schiano should be able to send wave after wave of pressure in the passing game, and the LBs are gonna have to play a lot better in space.

As long as Meyer and Wilson don't clam up and go vanilla on offense, I like our chances.

Penn State has looked rather vulnerable on the road, and they have to take to the road for the biggest game of the season right after playing the most emotional game of their season.

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Last12C's picture

I'm certainly not going to underestimate PSU.  They have talent.  McSorley can put balls up in the air and depend on his tall receivers to high point it to make a play.  Seemed to me he also always had a check down when he needed it and he did some damage with his legs as well.  Teams that get suckered into obsessing about Barkley are gonna get burned.  What makes Barkley so dangerous in my mind is the variety of ways in which they use him,  But I found it curious how many downs there were where he wasn't on the field.  I think that when he does come in he commands so much attention and that increases his value as a decoy.  He's either going to make a schemed impact play or he's going to sucker the opposing defense to draw them off of McSorley.  I think next week's game is going to come down to preparation and game planning.  Franklin and Moorhead are gonna pull some sneaky crap because that what they do.  Schiano's scheme for spying McSorley and Barkley, bringing pressure on passing downs, corner back play, disciplined play on the line and defending the edges to contain the run.  On the offensive side of the ball it all comes down to our offensive line.  Protecting Barrett and opening up some holes for Weber and Dobbins.  Of course that just sounds like Football 101.  Hope everyone's healed up and ready to bring their A game!

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domeeye's picture

I am nervous for this game. I was gonna comment earlier in the week when people were saying that we "win this game and it's not even close" or "it won't be competitive by the 2nd half", but I didn't want to be negative. I love this site, but man there are some very reactionary people. Like we beat on some terrible teams and now out offense is amazing again, do people not remember the OU game? Everyone was overreacting there as well, but we all were saying "watch, we will beat up on some terrible teams and then everyone will say our offense is back." This is exactly what has happened. PSU D is good and our secondary was literally last in the nation at one point and hasn't look significantly improved since the start of the year. Also superstitiously, I feel like when fans are cocky about big games, that's when we lose (MSU, Clem, OU), but when we aren't that's when we suprise ourselves (Bama). 

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BbBnD's picture

I’d say the secondary has improved significantly, but the improvement was from terrible to average, maybe above average. Definitely not great.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I mentioned in another thread , that last nights  blowout game might actually have been a good thing . Certainly Meyer is using how well they played to his psychological advantage. 

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2morrow's picture

Way before last nights game - Our DB's can't allow JumpBall McSorely to beat us. He did that to us last year too.

PSU plays like they are not afraid to lose. We better too.
They are playing on offense like we did the last 3 games of 2014 - not afraid to throw long and good rushing attack.
However, their D is not as good as ours turned out to be in 2014.

If this game were in Happy Valley, I'd be very pessimistic but being in the Shoe I think we beat them.

I think we hold a 7-10 point lead at halftime - they come storming back and take the lead in the second half before we finish them off 49-38.

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MNBuck's picture

The national media has not given as much attention as is due regarding McSorley. Personally, I am terrified by him, and do believe him to be better than Mayfield.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Mayfield is a better pro prospect, but mcsorely might be the better college QB. He runs almost as well as JT Barrett and throws a much better deep ball.

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Dan Hope's picture

I wouldn't personally say McSorley is better than Mayfield, but I think they are quite similar in terms of their styles of play and attributes. Both great leaders who can sling it down the field and can extend plays with their feet. McSorley is certainly good enough to do the same kind of damage to Ohio State that Mayfield did if the Buckeyes don't play better on defense than they did against Oklahoma.

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I think both are pretty effective, but make plays in a different manner.  Mayfield, to me, is Elite at sensing a collapsing pocket, keeping his eyes down field and then throwing a dart to a receiver breaking off his route. Mcsorely, from what I have seen, tends to be errant in this scenario. Trace on the other hand has very good speed from the QB position and can exploit a d with his feet if given a lane. When given time he throws an accurate ball, especially on the vertical, but Mayfield is light years ahead of him throwing the ball when the pocket breaks down.  I tend to think that if we can collapse the pocket while playing a zone (which is not something we practice enough to be good at) we can win.

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MNBuck's picture

Agreed.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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2morrow's picture

Did anyone see Franklin's post game interview - "Who do we play next week?" I hope he finds out soon enough.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

He likes to throw jabs. Depends on how you take it... He could have been trying a hand at sarcasm, but have not doubt they have been wringing their hands about letting the nation know that they should have deserved to be in the playoffs rather than us. Two teams with chips on their shoulders. It will be a battle of will pure and simple.

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Last12C's picture

Can't stand the dude, but I took the remark to mean, "Would you please just let us enjoy this win before we have to start talking about next week?"  I didn't really have a problem with it.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

I saw that crap , such a smug jerk! You have known since last year who you play! It’s been talked about for 358 days. I hope we harass and arrest  them but I will settle out of court for a 1 point win 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

To be sure PSU is very good. That said, I don't think TTUN is very good at all. PSU will see their first competent offense this season. Stopping Saquon and McSorley will be a huge task. Gotta trust Schiano and the defensive staff. I'm definitely ready for a huge game. Go Buckeyes!

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allbucksallthetime's picture

I'm not sure where all this _ichigan isn't good talk comes from.  They lost to a team last night with multiple star players on offense, on the road, in a very difficult environment, and are, as of now, an offensively challenged team against teams they can't physically dominate.  Once they got behind early against PSU there was almost no chance they could win.  No complaints here though I still see those bastards up north winning 8 or 9 games in spite of their faults.  They can compete against any team that can't or won't attack them.

PSU is playing at a very high level right now and is one of the more confident groups in America.  Sixteen straight regular season wins will do that for you.  PSU had the ability to attack _ichigan and they did all over the field.  PSU turned Don Brown's aggressive style against them.  Attacking that defense is easier said than done.  Kudos to PSU.

Our Buckeyes will have their hands full next weekend and will need to be '9 units strong' to win.  I look forward to seeing it on BTN as an OSU classic.  Go Bucks!    

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awlinBrutus's picture

Look at ttun’s schedule, they are a top 25 team at best. They lost their best QB and WR. All said done ttun loses 4 games at least this year. They were overrated because everyone overrates crazy jimmy. 

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allbucksallthetime's picture

While those bastards to the north do have challenges, they are far from bad and on any given day are capable of winning.  Can they beat good teams on the road like PSU that can score/attack them?  No.  Can they win games where circumstances like field position and/or weather are factors?  Yes. 

I just don't get how anyone can so easily write them off though younger Buckeye fans haven't really experienced the rivalry where the work of an entire year is washed away in a loss.  I have, and in fact far more than any man or woman ought to against our rivals.

As a reminder, our Buckeyes haven't exactly played 'Murderer's Row' either.  Go Bucks! 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Shouldn’t assume my man. My pain goes back to woody. I’ve seen it all. Yes most ttun teams had the potential to win on any given day. But this years version isn’t one of them. You don’t lose 8 starters off your best defense in forever from a 3 loss team and a big chunk of your 2 deep and compete with the big boys. ttun could have just as easily lost to IU last week as they won. IU playcalling was horrible at the goal line in OT. I just don’t think ttun is a good team right now, and that’s just my opinion. Doesn’t mean I’m right or you are wrong. Just another persons opinion. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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allbucksallthetime's picture

My comment about younger fans was not directed toward you.  I was speaking in general terms from the many comments that are above mine.  

In 'The Game' anything can and has happened in our lifetimes.  That game in November is by no means going to be easy.  Go Bucks!

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CowCat's picture

I've been watching TOSU games since 1975. All bets are off for The Game. Forget rankings. It's always the best battle in CFB.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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TShell's picture

Correction: play calling by IU was good, reads by the QB were terrible. There was a TD there for the taking on each of the first 3 plays from the goal line, he just didn't make the right reads in time.

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hairlessnutts's picture

so winning 8-9 games to you seems like a good team?!!?!?!  are you drunk?

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allbucksallthetime's picture

By most accounts, 8 or 9 wins is a good, solid team/year.  Your insulting words don't change that fact.  Go Bucks!

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think we all knew that Penn State would present a challenge, so last night shouldn't have been all that surprising.

I trust in Urban to have a team ready, equipped with a game plan to win a good football game next Saturday afternoon. 

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

That Penn State team is better than Oklahoma on almost every facet of the game.

This game will come down to how much disruption our defensive line can cause and whether Dobbins can break big runs to the house.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Blue eyed, I don’t totally disagree but I do to a point. I think Oklahoma’s OL is much better than psu’s. I think Mcsorley is a better QB because of his mobility and Oklahoma doesn’t have anyone as talented as Barkley. Imo of course. At this point I’d take a 1 point win against psu. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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2morrow's picture

Looking back at the 8 week body of work they certainly are better. But watch the OK game again. They played out of their minds. Their D has not come close to playing a game like this all year - except for us.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Well Ohio State is the clear underdog. I expect a circle the wagons approach by Meyer and company.

penn State is a different team away from home...see Iowa and Northwestern 

Michigan defense is vastly overrated. They are slow and had not seen a true spread until last night. I expect Ohio State will do the same to them 

mich offense is trash. Ohio state can have success with uptempo 

ohio state off the bye week is Big.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Dgeneral's picture

OSU opened a 6 point favorite in Vegas. I expect it to bet down to -4 quickly.

Analysts are giving homefield too much credit in this line.

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TShell's picture

I don't think it's necessarily home field they are using, as much as PSU not being in Happy Valley. They are simply a different team away from home.

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hairlessnutts's picture

expectations are off by a few points

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kiddbuckeye's picture

my five takeaways from the game
1. they play fast and confident and they look very crisp and offense
2. The four headed monster between their quarterback tight end running back and receiver will give our defense a challenge
3. I think our offense will have to control the clock and the Temple of the game because I don't think we can win in a shootout
4. Michigan's a good team they just ran into a buzzsaw but everything I saw from last night they're going to give us a hell of a game
5. To succeed our offense has to not be predictable and we have to break Tendencies otherwise it's going to be a long night next week

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I would disagree about Michigan being good. They have no offense and their defense is vastly overrated against offenses with speed and athleticism 

Penn State needs to be hyped up all week. Let them believe it 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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okiebuck's picture

Ok, so Penn State had this game circled in red since last year and they played like it; just like Oklahoma had it circled and played like it last month. I believe our Buckeyes have had this one circled since last year as well; and this Saturday it's our turn for payback. PSU looked good against an average at best ttun squad; I expect TOSU after a week off to roll the Kitty Cats. Go Bucks!!

The only hard day was yesterday

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Buck68's picture

The Deja Vu all over again:

In 2015 & 2016 we lived off our 2014 overachieving and storylines... and our narrating excuses and Facade.

There are as yet no "takeaways" from the future.  But...

In terms of manipulations and perceptions, and maybe even 'actual coaching and talent', PSU is now, by far, our top opponent this year.  This is wonderful and fortuitous, for it provides opportunity after we have squandered it for 2 1/2 years.  But, we need to beat PSU soundly and win out, beating B1G championship opponent [pro'ly Wisc] soundly, to be competitive for the playoffs.  After we 'shoed ourselves vs an OK team in our house... the bloom is off the rose....

And, as long as ND keeps winning they become an increasing major factor in the playoff stakes.

As a program, we're not playing for top 5 status.   We're playing for recruiting cred and to stay in top 10... or fall deep into the 2nd 10.  Waterloo coming.  There was nothing after Waterloo for Napoleon.  At our Waterloo, we'll find out about our 'outlook'.  ;-{)}

GO BUCKS!

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nickel beer's picture

This was an uncharacteristically linear and literal statement from you! 

I agree, btw.

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Bringer of JUICE's picture

I also agree. The sand is shifting and this game feels like a "winner take all" as far as recruiting momentum is concerned. PSU has a lot to offer an athlete and is closer for important recruiting territories along the coast. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I just can’t get past the fact that Penn State struggled mightily at Iowa and at Northwestern

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

When Ohio State is considered the underdog that is when urban Meyer is at his very best. I believe Ohio State is considered the underdog by the media as well as the public in Meyer will use that

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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nickel beer's picture

When you play at home, you play like you're playing at home.  That's my main takeaway from last night and the season, and even further back.  I have full confidence that our staff understands and will execute psu.

DESERT STRONG

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KCAlum's picture

Here come the Nittany Clowns

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lax20's picture

The Buckeyes have seen this before.  Penn St has done nothing different this year than last year.  A dose of Barkley and McSorley throwing jump balls to his taller receivers.  The Bucks know what to expect because the game plan last night was executed last season against the Buckeyes in the comeback.  They are a year older and more seasoned.  They returned at least 17 starters.  Expect the same game plan from Penn St.  Go Bucks!

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GINNandjuice's picture

Wilson has the keys now, the offense will be wide open with no holds barred. Recipe for the Dubya: Feed the backs early and often, take away at least 2 50/50 balls, and do not let McSorely convert 3rd downs with his legs 

All Glory is Fleeting

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buckeyerose's picture

PSU's wide receivers and that tight end scare me.  I wouldn't call those balls McSorley threw 50/50 balls they were more like 75/25 because his receivers were so big and strong compared to the defensve backs.  I don't know that our backs can compare any better than Michigan's  I hope I'm wrong but I think it's our weakest link on defense.  I'm hoping our defensive line can produce enough pressures and sacks to stop those 50/50 or 75/25 balls.  Just don't give him enough time to pick us apart or to scramble.  Someone called him Mayfield 2.0 and I think he is as well.  I hope we play tough.   

Oh and Michigan would have done better hiring Franklin.  lol 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I'm willing to freely admit that I am legitimately worried that OSU will again get undressed by elite competition on national TV with a slew of recruits in hand. 

I hope I'm wrong, so talk me out of it 11W. Lol

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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GIBS_STI's picture

I’m right there with you. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I am with you.

Little confidence in our back 7. Our offense should fair better than against OK. 

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GIBS_STI's picture

What I noticed from _ichigans Defense is they completely sold out on Barkley, but failed to even do that. 

If you noticed they put Barkley out on the perimeter, looked at what _ichigan was lining up on D and adjusted on almost every play.  

When PSU was in an obvious passing down for some reason they took their best assets off the field their ‘pass rush’ they used a 3-3-5 and got no pressure on McSorley at all. McSorley is horrible under pressure hence that bad throw for an interception. 

TL;DR we have to pressure McSorley all night and contain him on the read option. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

State penn worked on their read option in bye week. One of the issues  was it was easy to force mc sorely to keep the ball and then game plane trace as a runner. They did a good job breaking tendencies in the off week. I think our advantage is we now have this as a weapon in our arsenal too.  

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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GIBS_STI's picture

I’m glad we have Sam Hubbard, one of the best space DE’s out there. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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BuckeyeRocket's picture

TTUN’s offense had 4 three-and-out possessions in the first half alone. They did manage two TDS though.

In the second half, they were shut out (not even a FG attempt) and probably had 100 yards max of total offense.

Is PSU’s defense that good or TTUN’s offense that bad?

BuckeyeRocket

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TShell's picture

A lot of bad offense, a little of good defense. They have had trouble scoring against everyone this year, even before they lost their starting qb.

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Grisle's picture

Wilson and IU scored 31 on PSU last year. I expect tOSU to put up some points on them I just worry about our DB's actually being able to cover anyone.

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Il_Padrino's picture

First: TTUN is not very good, lost both games to teams with winning records, and did not impress with huge margins of victories in their wins over teams with losing records.

W vs. Florida (3-3 record)

W vs. Cincinnati (2-6 record)

W vs. Air Force (3-4 record)

W vs. Purdue (3-4 record)

L vs. Michigan State (6-1 record)

W vs. Indiana (3-4 record)

L vs. PSU

Trend is that their D is overrated and their O couldn't put points up on the scoreboard even if the opponents D fielded 5 players.

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So, is PSU's victory over TTUN a "good win"?  I think no for the reasons I highlighted above.  All games PSU has played thus far are against average opponents and those with winning records are abysmal in the POINTS per GAME category this season.

W vs. Akron (4-4 record)

W vs. Pitt (3-5 record)

W vs. Georgia St (3-3 record)

W vs Iowa (4-3 record) - in a very close game against an Iowa that ranks 81st out of 130 in Points per Game.

W vs. Indiana (3-4 record)

W vs. Northwestern (4-3 record) against a NW squad that ranks 84th out of 130 in Points per Game.

W vs. TTUN (5-2 record) against a TTUN squad that ranks 91st out of 130 in Points per Game and based on info above their D is clearly over-hyped in a very undeserving way (they haven't played anyone).

*** Penn State is about to lose twice.  First loss is this week against our Buckeyes and they will lose a second time against Michigan State the following week. 

*** Ohio State is going to expose PSU this week and are going to shutdown their RB - he's rumble for about 75 yards. 

 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

CPO and CDR, USN (ret)

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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Dgeneral's picture

You do realize OSU's best win this year is beating a 5-2 Army team. Lame so far.

Dgeneral

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Il_Padrino's picture

You do realize that in comparison to Piss U and TTUN:

The OSU:

Record: 6-1 (10th of 130) (Schedule & Results)

Rank: 6th in the Current AP poll

Conference: Big Ten (East Division)

Conference Record: 4-0

Coach: Urban Meyer (6-1)

Points For: 331

Points/G: 47.3 (2nd of 130)

Points Against: 108

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

CPO and CDR, USN (ret)

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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Il_Padrino's picture

Focus on:

Points/G: 47.3 (2nd of 130) <<< that equates to an O that is playing its a$$ off.

Points Against: 108 <<< that equates to a D that is playing its a$$ off. 

Living the life!  Go Buckeyes!  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

CPO and CDR, USN (ret)

1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970, 2002, 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

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BucksHave7's picture

Il Padrino just schooled you!   

Really appreciate the facts you use. Thanks.  This is a reason I enjoy reading great posts from people like you!

BucksHave7

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khardy's picture

Michigan is not a good team, I wouldn't get to hyped if I were PS.

bigndog

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Bigmarty's picture

I know Rashan Gary is a great talent.  Psu's OL seemed to make him nonexistent or Mcsorley got rid of the ball early or he scrambled by him. Their OL can't be as bad as some are portraying. 

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Grisle's picture

NW and Indiana shut down their running game for the most part. PSU ran the ball 38 times against NW for 95 yds at 2.5ypc. They ran the ball 37 times for 39 yds against IU. I believe that is where the PSU having an average O-line thinking comes in. 

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Psu o line was abysmal at start of the season, hence the reason they kept congratulating them at end of game . I think dr blitz just got out coached and made PSU o line look far superior . Psu always had  the numbers in the box and gave mc sorely time . With that said when they loaded up trace got sacked. Ttun sold out on Barkley and it came back to bite them . Ex. When all the lb’s bailed out when Barkley went into motion and trace kept the ball and scrambled for big yardage. They used Ttuns agression against them . We need to be balanced with agression and read and react we have the athletes on dline to make his life miserable 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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TossTrap's picture

Penn State will get the ball to Barkley in multiple ways and he will touch the ball early and often. My hope is that the Bucks do not get frustrated and out of position because Barkley is a superior athlete who will get his 150 to 200 running and catching.

My biggest hope however is that the Buckeye offensive line plays well by giving Barrett time and keeping him upright.

First and goal at the five and Arch is getting the ball.

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Matt M.'s picture

56 yards on 20 rushing attempts vs IU. 84 total yards against Northwestern. -1 yard on first 8 carries.

cough.

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buckguyfan1's picture

I miss you Hooker.

... And I'm concerned about Mike Gesicki.

Simplify...

13-0 and a chance to go 14-0

In another universe ttun still sucks...

Beat wisky.  

Earn this...  Beat clemson.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I am concerned that our back 7 will be too soft and give up far too many passing yards. I want an aggressive coach Schiano to keep unrelenting pressure on their QB. We need all units to play their very best next Saturday and a brilliant game plan will be our ultimate advantage.

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G.'s picture

Bottom line: fuck Penn State. If TOSU gives a fuck about anything we will beat the shit out of them.

G.

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Urbanologist's picture

I hope the OSU coaches know that McSorely and PSU are going to attack Sheffield all damn night. Completions or PI's are about 75% likely when he is man to man down field.

Theire is only one truth...

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Ca114fire's picture

I think the difference in this game will be the big red circle Ohio State has on the calendar around Ped St. Just like they had against TTUN. I have no doubt UFM will have them bloodthirsty.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think we can actually stop Barkley from having a huge day rushing. His ability as a receiver scares me way more than his ability to run in our DL. 

Going to be really interesting 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BuckNutsinIndiana's picture

I hope our team reviewed the Oklahoma game, bc PSU will duplicate what Mayfield did with RPO plays that made our defense out of position. We were to aggressive on defense and over pursued alot of plays allowing RBs, slot WR and TEs to run wide open. The 3 positions that PSU have strength in. Just please keep your assignments and lanes and play disciplined Buckeyes football and we can EDGE out a victory. Definitely going to b a difficult game, but i believe we will pull out a victory. 

I dont often hate, but when I do...I hate _ichigan Wolverines. Stay victorious my friends.

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Yoda888's picture

I'm gonna echo what's been said by a lot of folks.....stopping McSorley will be a key factor in win/lose for us.  The kid seems to be putting on a good imitation of the original JT Barrett, options, scrambling and using his legs as QB to pick up some big yards/plays!  Plus he has a decent throwing/passing game to compliment.....our DBs need to be all-in (as in laser-like focus on the balls as opposed to playing the man); hopefully they have matured and the confidence gained in the games played will help.

On the other hand, not sure if anyone else noticed this, but Barkley seems to have limited lateral agility (relative to other elite backs, as I saw several plays where he almost sorta just gave up when the defence was converging on him) and as long as we can keep him from getting to the second level and/or contain the outside, he's mortal....of course, these are big asks!

having said the above, Penn State will be at the very least, a hand full for the Buckeye defence.  Aside from having a mortal hatred for everything related to TTUN, you gotta give them some props, that defense was legit. and they will only get better by the time we get up to the Big House.  Penn State was still able to run riot on them.  defcon 5 for the Bucks defense!

GO BUCKS!

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buckeyedude's picture

Don't forget about TE Gesicki. He has a knack for making big plays when PSU needs them, it seems.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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CreamMachine's picture

a few big plays aside, penn state hasn't been that successful running the football in big ten play.  i think our d-line will win the battle in the trenches more often than not.  keys to stopping their o will be containing mcsorely from big plays scrambling and stopping barkley on unorthodox touches (swing passes, screens, direct snaps, kick returns). jerome baker has to be big, i suspect he'll be iso-d against barkley or spying mcsorely often.  go bucks

if it's brown, flush it down

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Buck68's picture

agree, except for their good plays, psu looks... not so good.

we could potentially just say the reasoning used here [NOT the Reasoner] is... "orthodox".  ;-{)}

mean - while, i sincerely feel we should win "more often than not", where 'often' means Saturday night vs psu, and 'than not' some obscure speculation about some Fluke deep into the 22nd century ....

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Buck68's picture

DaeSean Hamilton looked the part of being Penn State’s No. 1 wide receiver on Saturday night, 

I wish!   IF only DaeSean could ""be" on the field this Saturday night, Buckeyes granted the power of "do" could cover him!   LOL

And then, we could "let" or "allow" him to "be" ...any number he felt was... uh... 'fair'?

'Being' adds new meaning to ye olde 'Statue of Liberty' play....  ;-{)}

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Gonna have to slow down McSorley.  The DBs are going to have to be ready for the jump balls that McSorley likes to throw.  In two games against OSU, Barkley had a bigger game in the one where they got waxed than he did in the one they won.  No cheap TDs on big pass plays.  Keep everything in front and hold them to 3 when they make some plays.

Need to start fast.  PSU's quarter has been the first quarter.  Break even or better, and the Bucks will be in good shape.  The first quarter, IMO, is PSU's chance to build a lead and win this game.  

Special teams - don't give up any cheap TDs.  Like on a kick block.  Or a kick return.  Special teams need to be special.  

Do those three things and OSU will win.  

Class of 2010.

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CoachKJ15's picture

There's been chatter that Berry and Victor have been working with Coombs in red zone coverage to take away the Jump ball to Giesecki 

What you plant now, you will harvest later.

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GoldenBuckeye's picture

You mean emulating Giesecki and not replacing the corners, yes?

The Ohio State University
University of Minnesota

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CoachKJ15's picture

No as in Berry would come in inside the 8-15 yard line to help with the Jump ball to Giesicki. Berry is known as one the most athletic and explosive athletes on the field while being able to match the physicality of a TE.

What you plant now, you will harvest later.

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