C.J. Saunders Could Be the Spark Ohio State Needs

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bucknut1994's picture

CJ is deceptively fast. A real gritty player. Hope he can keep it up. 

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Klooy's picture

Also a coach's son and a gym rat with a great motor. A real student of the game.

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bucknut1994's picture

First in last out. 

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TigerSweat's picture

You'd think that all that gym time would translate to more mass. He's a good football player nonetheless

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chemicalwaste's picture

If he's not on scholarship, he's not getting the nutrition the other guys are. Diet is extremely important when trying to build muscle. Cereal in the morning isn't going to cut it.

On top of not having the nutrients to build, the body just can't keep up at a higher pace, no matter how hard you want to push it. It's been reported multiple tubes that walk-ons eat like the rest of us, while scholarship players get great meals. There is part of the issue.

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The Rill Dill's picture

They changed the rule. He gets all the same shit.

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chemicalwaste's picture

I stand corrected. Excuse off the table.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Ever hear of a man by the name of Julian Eddleman??  Yes, CJ is 20 lbs lighter but the same kind of player as JE.  I am surprised that he hasn't been able to put on some mass though.

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cdub4's picture

People are comparing every white guy to Saunders SMH. Edelman was a scholarship QB at Kent and 3 year starter. I don't see the similarities, especially after seeing what Edelman did in HS playing football. Edelman was likely more advanced physically and football wise.

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

You know who he really reminds me of? Anthony Gonzalez, Dane Sanzenbacher, and Brian Hartline...

Get dumped then

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stxbuck's picture

I wouldn't go that far. Let's say Chad Cacchio and go from there..........Anthony Gonzalez was 6'1 210 w/ elite speed and 1st round athleticism..........

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bucknut1994's picture

He reminds me of Jordy Nelson, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, etc

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cdub4's picture

He reminds me of Christian McCaffery personally....a modern day Steve Largent.

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Prickly_Pete's picture

I'd love to see him play more. Sometimes heart can outweigh less talent.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Coach Meyer laid it out for CJ - "Get bigger in the weight room. Become a more effective blocker."

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

(1) His body size may limit that -- he looks pretty muscular -- maybe he can't add much more weight? 

(2) Does he need to block the edge if he's really just a slot guy?  He's aggressive and I know he throws his hat in there fearlessly. But he's small. Question is - does he need to block like an outside guy for his role?  

You win with people. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

(1) His body size may limit that -- he looks pretty muscular -- maybe he can't add much more weight? 

(2) Does he need to block the edge if he's really just a slot guy?  He's aggressive and I know he throws his hat in there fearlessly. But he's small. Question is - does he need to block like an outside guy for his role?  

(1) Coach Mick would have the insight on that - Meyer says, "Mick's working on that". So, CJ must have potential to get stronger, or why would Mick bother? 

(2) CJ would have a blocking assignment on every play (unless he makes the catch) no matter where he lines up. 

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TigerSweat's picture

He reminds me of myself at that age (he's just a little lighter)... 15 years later, my body reminds me of the abuse everyday. The nerves in my neck are such a twisted mess that I get stinger symptoms from merely looking over my shoulder while driving. Lol

It's really not lol, it's miserable

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wyatt's picture

The cat can flat out make plays. I like the Renfrow comparison. C.J. knows how to run routes and make catches. C.J. and Austin Mack are my choices from what I've seen. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Julian Edelman anyone. There is a lot of guys in the league that are on the smallish size like CJ. Dallas has a small slot receiver as well. Winfield wasn't that big either. My sophomore year in HS I was 135#'s with a rock in my pocket. In a preseason game I had the perfect angle on a receiver and blindsided him, the whole stadium heard the hit. My coaches went nuts, I was dubbed the "Mad Serb" from then on. That one hit got me on special teams and a varsity letter as a sophomore. He could probably add 10-20#'s over a couple years without losing speed. 

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45has2's picture

Urb's supposed friend Bill Belichick seems to have and endless supply of slow, undersized possession receivers. Guys that nobody else wanted but Belichick turns into stars. Guys that just know how to get open. Hasn't that been the Buckeye corporate mantra? "Our receivers need to create separation." Now you have a kid that can do that, read the defense on the fly and get open. Why not focus on results not body type? And, oh by the way, thank you coach Fickell for inviting C.J. to walk on.

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The Rill Dill's picture

That'll keep him off the field until next year.

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cdub4's picture

I just looked at his profile on the football website, I didn't realize he is the son of longtime Dublin Coffman baseball coach Tim Saunders. His father is probably as respected a baseball coach as any in Central Ohio.

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Meek's picture

Interesting. Where did Urban's boy play baseball?

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cdub4's picture

Nate is a senior at Watterson, going to play at Cincy.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Brady Quinn mentioned that he played baseball for CJs dad when he was at Coffman. Love seeing guys like this rise up. 

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SnooBucki's picture

I'm on the Saunders train. Give him some more snaps, can't hurt.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

Maybe CJ can teach our other WRs to run routes and catch the ball. The other WRs can teach CJ to put on weight. 

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Cooper's picture

There are too many downsides in his game to use him as a regular player, in my opinion. That doesn't diminish his great story, however.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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MountainsAwait's picture

How can you say that when the sample size probably doesn't warrant that opinion?  Of course he's undersized, but that's not as important for receivers.  Plus look at what Renfrow's done for Clemson...

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Buckeye1996's picture

That's pure bull shit.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Cooper's picture

How? He's smaller than what Dontre was as a true freshman. If you haven't noticed by now, Coach Meyer doesn't like using players that don't have the ability to help in all facets of the position. It's literally in Urban's quotes, he doesn't think he is big enough to be used regularly without him being a hood ornament of sorts.

It's amazing how so many of you were quick to jump on Dontre but are clammoring for Saunders to become a starter.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Buckeye1996's picture

I thought you were talking about his skill set not his size.

I said nothing about starting.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Cooper's picture

Well, apparently if you're in the WR rotation, you're a starter.

I think it's been visible to everyone that he runs good routes and catches very well.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Buckeye1996's picture

Well maybe he should start i.e. be in the rotation. He may well end up being there soon enough.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Cooper's picture

I'm not a proponent of that, and what's even more confusing is how my opinion is being lambasted when it's merely an extension of Meyer's reasoning.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Because many around here jump to conclusions. Like if I say the our backup QB should be getting a series or 2 every game to be game ready in case JT goes down, some will take that as meaning to bench JT. Or if you criticize coach Matta that means you want him fired. Lol

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Thedrw's picture

You said he had "too many downsides." Meyer said he was too small. What are the rest the downsides?

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cledaybuck's picture

If you haven't noticed by now, Coach Meyer doesn't like using players that don't have the ability to help in all facets of the position

We seem to run WR's out there that don't run good routes and catch the ball consistently.

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typeOHpositive's picture

What are those downsides....what in your expert analysis of his 100+ yard game Saturday gives you such insight? I played and coached a lot of football, not at the D1 level, but the one thing I observed time and time again was that there are some very good football players in less than ideal bodies....I have seen smaller guys that will knock your head off and bust their ass and I've seen bigger/faster guys who don't have any heart, it's what they do on the field when they get their chance....stars be damned.  I'm not saying it's always the case, but I've seen it enough to never count somebody out.

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45has2's picture

I wanted to jump on the DV bandwagon but didn't . Please list his "downsides".

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Hovenaut's picture

Reminds me of Chad Cacchio, another walk-on who had some great moments in an otherwise forgotten 2000 season.

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Buckeye1996's picture

I still can't believe that Saunders is a walk on. Dude looks like an all american out there. Snatches everything that comes his way, and finds the open spot nearly every time.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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45has2's picture

Say "Thank you, Coach Fickell."

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Crumb's picture

I'm sold on the kid as you  know if you saw my blog post yesterday. He played with the edge of 2014. That killer instinct to get out there prove himself and prove doubters wrong. He played with heart that more than makes up for his size. I think if he can contribute like he did yesterday that, that heart and edge will be contagious to the whole offense and especially in Zone 6. 

Also having an undersized but hard working big hearted walk on contribute on this team might wake up some of the guys who rely a tad too much on their natural talent. 

In my humble opinion, Saunders earned getting into games more yesterday. And I hope Coach does let him play more unless Saunders gives him a reason on the field not to.

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Cuser17's picture

Very good comparison to Renfrow from Clemson. I was thinking the same thing. Why not play a guy that has obvious skills?

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dokocha0216's picture

give that boy a scholarship, if he doesn't already have one

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I could careless if he can block. Matters a fact I don't want him blocking at all. I want him moving the chains. Be a nice weapon out of the slot, particularly on 3rd downs.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

JK isn't much of a blocker either but that don't stop him from seeing the field.

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stuckupnorth's picture

With all due respect. I do not understand the JK doesn't block? Has he missed a block before yes. I have also seen Weber miss blocks. I hear that JK can't block. Is that because he is a true freshman that is un seating a fan favorite in Weber. I have just never seen that he is bad. I saw against OK with their backs against the goal line on 3rd down it was JK out there blocking in a crucial part of game. To me that says that the staff has enough confidence in him to protect in a crucial part of game.Im sure there are better blockers that could have been inserted in that situation.Weber got snaps in that game. Is there footage of him constintantly under performing in the blocking game. Ive watched every game and just haven't seen it.

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45has2's picture

In defense of a fellow Toledoan. He didn't say J.K. does not block. He said J.K. is not much of a blocker. Considering we are used to seeing Zeke block like 310lb OG2 (offensive guard & original gangsta) I concur with the gentleman from the Glass City. Maybe the comparison isn't fair to J.K., but then life isn't fair. Also, I am solidly in the J.K. camp. Let the kid EAT.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I guess I should have worded that different. Whenever I hear JK it's usually about his blocking ability or lack of it. In what I have seen Weber is not that much better of a blocker than JK, if better at all. I think people just want to believe that or point out one play where he missed a block. I agree 100%  feed JK over and over and over

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Buckeye Jack's picture

 @Silverstate - Another variant...

"Care-zees" -

Definition: "I don't care, and I ridicule the fact that you care."

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AC1972's picture

Logged in just to up vote this   LMAO 

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BuckInNashville's picture

Here here. I don't understand Urban's thought process on WRs at all. You have to be a great blocker to see the field - but it's obvious that it dorsnt matter to be able to get open and make catches. Anyone ever hear of Wes Walker's or Julian Edelman's blocking capability ? So maybe it's no wonder we have struggled for three years in the passing game. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

 Anyone ever hear of Wes Walker's or Julian Edelman's blocking capability ?

Meyer and Belichick are cut from the same cloth. "No hood ornaments allowed."   You don't block - you don't play. Couple of quotes:

“Wes is a football guy,” Belichick said. “He is into football. Whatever we asked him to do — block, run routes, return kicks, help us out in any way possible. 

http://patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/03/bill-belichick-explains-why-...

New England Patriots wide receiver Julian Edelman is known for his pass catching ability, but his downfield blocking has been key to the New England Patriots offense so far this season.

https://musketfire.com/2016/09/20/julian-edelman-blocking-key-patriots/

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BuckInNashville's picture

I respect your diligence sir. I stand correct. Let's try this ...

anyone ever hear of Jordy Nelson or Randall Cobb's blocking capability ?

Buckeyes Jack, what can you find on  that pair ?

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cdub4's picture

You know, Belichick and the Patriots have more rings than most of the competition, Meyer to at his level...maybe they know something others don't.

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Tim the Enchanter's picture

Yeah.  What the opposing team is doing on defense before the snap :D

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Buckeye Jack's picture

@BuckinNashville -  Packers wide receivers Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb had big days in the passing game vs. Carolina, but both also threw key blocks on the offense's two rushing touchdowns on the day.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-wymm/article-1/What-You-M...
 

In the past 20 years or so, the WR blocking game has advanced a great deal. Doubt you'll find many teams with solid coaching who have WR's  dogging it on their blocking assignments. On average, 90% of the time a WR is NOT being thrown the ball. Any team with so-so blocking from their WR's is operating at a disadvantage. 

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BuckInNashville's picture

Touché. Interesting experience with Emmitt Smith and Ochocinco related to this. Every hall of fame enshrinement for the last 18 years I have had the privilege of handling the enshrines before during and after the hall of fame game. (Get them to the field for intros, get them to tv and radio interviews, make sure family is covered, arrange their transportation).

im standing on the Bengals' sideline the year Emmitt was enshrined during the Cowboys/Bengals game. Ocho dogs it on a first down run play and Emmitt, smiling, yells out "Ocho, you're doggin' it". Ocho just runs back to his huddle.

on a 2nd down run play he dogs it again. Emmitt isn't  smiling this time as he yells out louder "Ocho you're doggin' it." But this time Ocho waves him off as he runs back to the huddle. Now Emmitt is embarrassed and pissed.

after an unsuccessful 3rd down pass, Emmitt signals "come here" as Ocho is coming off the field (the same way you'd signal to a 5 yr old who disobeyed orders).

ocho stands by Emmitt and Emmitt dresses him down.  "I saw you tryna wear one of these gold jackets in a Monday night game. You want to wear one of these for real ? You need to go hard in practice, preseason, games, and playoffs. If you don't throw a block, that's another hat on that rookie RB's knee. That was me one day, man. You got that ?"  Ocho said one word "uh-huh".  Then Emmit said "now go join your team" and he turned to me and said "come on, let's go up to Jerry's box".  It was a great moment !

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USMC11917's picture

Your point is well received. Your grammar...was careless, as a matter of fact.

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kmp10's picture

Saunders showed very good hands, route running skill, and separation ability on Saturday... and he's been on the bench while the receiver room flailed the past season and a third. I said this in another thread, I'm not advocating for Saunders to replace anyone in the top six rotation... yet... but why he's wasting away on the sidelines while Meyer's personal picks, McLaurin and Campbell, have dropped passes with regularity is as baffling as some of the other head shaking decisions of late by this staff. What is there to lose by giving this player an opportunity at certain spots in the games? If he drops one of the rare dimes that Barrett throws then they're no worse off than if 21 or 83 drop the ball. I realize that both Campbell and McLaurin have blazing speed and game breaking ability... but Saunders, in a very limited opportunity, showed better hands and separation skills than either of the aforementioned players. It was one really solid performance Vs a tremendously overmatched opponent, so I don't want to over value the player... but with how the receivers have consistently underperformed for quite a while now it makes no sense, again, for Saunders to waste away on the bench.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Be sure to throw in Mack (and his easy drops), Victor and his failure to high point the ball.  Oh that's right, just an opportunity to bash the older guys.  Maybe if Haskins was throwing to them, no wait.  That ain't what this thread is about.  Maybe the issue is Saunders was in with a passing QB who doesn't need a dome size window before he throws it.  Sorry I keep forgetting, this thread IS about Saunders.  

Anyhoo!  Opinions opinions, we all got them, and they all count for zilch!

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

It's true. Mack has had some dropsies -- though he's aggressive and physical and attacks the ball. And the one thing that has confused me about Victor is that he hasn't aggressively gone up and attacked that ball that I can remember seeing, at least -- which is strange because he's so tall it would make him unstoppable! That's why I'm still more bullish on Mack than Victor at the moment. 

You win with people. 

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AltaBuck's picture

At least get him on the field in obvious passing situations where his blocking skills aren't as important.

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ScoobyKnows's picture

I disagree. Put him in the starting lineup and let's see what he can do. Then we can maybe have 7 starting wide receivers.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

But 7 starting wide receivers is clearly too much. Six is good. Seven, you don't want none of that. /s

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TheDizzle's picture

I think Urban doesn't want to play him because It's hard to justify playing someone on a regular basis that doesn't have a scholarship... that's like the NFL starting someone and not paying him.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Im aboard the CJ hype train !!!!!!!! Next  stop scholarshipville !!!!!!!!!! Chooooooo chooooooo.

Hes got hands we need a player like that 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

CJ is nearly identical in size to Dane Sanzenbacher. I feel like Dane was very productive, in a Jim Tressel offense.

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419Buck's picture

I know a few undersized, 4.5 40 white males that did well in the NFL, as well..

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

It really irritating that a high character kid who busts his tail is being restricted because of his size. He's not an every down player, but deserves opportunity.

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419Buck's picture

If he's good enough, he'll capitalize on any opportunity that presents itself. Time will tell. 

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Tosa's picture

I thought the same thing.
 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This is what I was trying to say in my post last night. WHY NOT CJ SAUNDERS?

I doubt that his body frame can add much weight. He looks jacked to me - as jacked as he can be. The question is, if he's an inside/slot guy ... does he NEED to be 200 lbs and 6' 1"?  

He's already succeeding at his size. Others have succeeded at his size in college and the NFL.

You win with people. 

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b-dub4545's picture

Start this kid over someone else and maybe it'll light a fire under their ass!!!

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Etenim's picture

The Buckeyes should take lesson from the Tigers...

The answer could be Saunders.

Clemson's 5-10, 180-pound wide receiver Hunter Renfrow caught the game-winning touchdown pass last January. The former walk-on has had formidable seasons and big games for the Tigers, and he’s the same mold as Saunders.

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Just something that gives Saunders a chance to make a play. Whether that be a 15-yard post on third down, a big catch and run over the middle, or a catch and get-out-of-bounds on a game-winning drive. 

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If Saunders can come close to Renfrow by providing a consistent, open weapon — why not?

I like the way you think, and the coaching staff - not so much. Use what you have, to the best of their abilities, to create a continual scoring pressure that is always stressing the defense, until it breaks. In short - unrelenting creative aggression.

Since the departure of the dynamic best-in-football attack force of Tom Herman, Cardale Jones, Devin Smith and Zeke Elliott, we simply haven't seen that. I honestly believe that the offense has 90 percent or better of what it needs to be that type of force again. Achieving it by the end of this season may be too soon, but I have great confidence in, and hope for what Kevin Wilson, Dobbins, Campbell, Hill, Mack, Victor, Grimes and Harris will be. But if Urban doesn't stand down and allow Wilson the freedom he needs to run what he demonstrably knows how to do in both the passing and running games, then I don't think we'll see it - at least certainly not to the level that could dispatch the likes of an Alabama and Oregon in consecutive games. And if that's not what we're aiming for, then we're wasting everyone's time, and talent.

I hope JTB can be that level of QB this season, and that our true WRs on the roster can emerge to match that. But if it doesn't happen this season, then next season, with Wilson allowed the autonomy he deserves, and a Haskins/Burrow, with a Dobbins, Grimes, Mack, Harris, Victor, (Babb), L. Smith - and yes, a Saunders, I could easily see the offense mounting the kind of unrelenting attack that wins a national championship game.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Great point, and Hunter Renfrow did that against us and our 3 first round DB' s. Size not as important as placement technique and amazing catching ability.

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Deacon's picture

Getting open and catching the ball could be considered as important as blocking for a wide out. 

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unknownmusketeer's picture

I know that we need down field blocking to ensure a home run threat on every run play, but I am sure that having a catching WR would open up some running lanes. 

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USMC11917's picture

I don't know why we need downfield blocking when we abandon the run in big games? Just my opinion. Give me a pass catcher when we need passing yardage.

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tcm1968's picture

He's pretty much the exact same size as the guy many in the NFL consider the best WR Antonio Brown.. 5'10 and 180lbs... and you can name dozens of guys like Wes Welker that he's actually bigger than..

Have to wonder how much the walk on thing hurts him. Like to think Urban wouldn't do that but when both your QBs say Saunders is a guy you can trust and he looks good when called upon just seems odd he doesn't see the field until we go to backup QBs... 

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Horvath22's picture

He seems to be reliable, and I don't know if I can say that about any of our other WR's.

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AC1972's picture

Under Mickey's guidance, CJ could put on 10+ pounds of muscle easy.

Almost anyone can, especially with the best trainer in all of college football. 

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Major H's picture

In an 11W interview, CJ said he's on a 4,000 calorie "diet." He's gonna get bigger, just don't lose the speed.

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

Having watched the WR play the last two seasons getting Saunders out there really can't hurt.  The worst thing that happens is it lights a fire under some of the scholarship guys who are losing snaps to him and they work harder to get back on the field.  

I see it as a win-win for everyone - plus something about the idea of an undersized walk-on from Central Ohio catching a key first down against TTUN to help win the game seems like the type of thing that legends are made of.

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Rocket Man's picture

Is it a meritocracy or not?

I think the dude's performance merits some playing time in the next game.

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45has2's picture

Ouch. That hurt so good.

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GOOMBAY's picture

He'll have the same stats every game. Just like the first three games. Bank it. 

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GIBS_STI's picture

Why did you let him walk on if he's to small or doesn't block the way you like? Asking for a friend... 

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45has2's picture

Luke invited him to walk on to fill scout team needs at DB.

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GIBS_STI's picture

Either way I hope he sees the field a lot more. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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Ca114fire's picture

If he's undersized but still performing beyond the level he's expected to be, problem solved. Make him the Muggsy Bogues of the Buckeye recieving corps.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

I agree with the article. Too bad the coaching staff wont read it or use it even if they did.

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ohiopanda's picture

To me, Meyer is too focused on recievers having to be great blockers. A reciever's primary job is to run routes and catch the ball (which is lacking on our team) - but I understand they need to block for run/short pass plays. 

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Turfgrad's picture

'85 yards through the heart of the south' was only possible by a wide out blocking two players in one motion!

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VintonCountyBuck's picture

In my opinion... If you are a receiver and can run and "sell" an effective route on every down, then it shouldn't really matter whether you are 6'5 and 240 or 5'5 & a buck 70.  You can essentially provide a good 'block' by running your man out of the play.  Even against a zone defense, motioning into a different formation and crossing the face of the defender in your area can also yield the same results.  If he's the best player then there are simple ways to get him on the field.  Just because he doesn't fit the mold doesn't mean he still cant play.  Sometimes the mold is just broken 

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ToetotheFace's picture

He doesn't need to be a great blocker to see the field. That is the great thing about a rotation(when there is actual depth), it means you have players with different strengths that can be used when those strengths are maximized. IMO, Saunders has clearly shown that he would be a great slot option during passing downs. Put him in the rotation so he can be used during those situations, and take hi out when blocking is more important out of the position. Obviously the offense runs no huddle a lot, but I feel like Saunders can still block his defender effectively enough just by being a threat in the passing game for the offense to be able to run smoothly. Tons of examples of smaller WRs who have done well in systems where running the ball is important.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Maybe you could swap out Baugh w/ Saunders at the Y when they go 4 wide double slots on 3rd and medium or long.  It'd be kind of strange to have a "designated catcher" at WR.

It's kind of a shame that he played DB before.  There would be more of a functional, real world strength when it comes to blocking, if was doing it for years not to mention technique

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45has2's picture

He played WR in high school. Scout team DB at OSU.

Censores irrumasti.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

OK.  I was talking about college experience anyways

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Turfgrad's picture

CJ will get better every day every game.  The size of the dog is not important in a fight, it is the amount of fight in the dog.  He has fight written all over him.  CJ is a small player with a big heart.  Watch his star rise.

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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Woody24's picture

I think this kid has some good potential to contribute in spots and in certain formations.  There's something to be said for a guy who is able to come out of the slot, run solid routes and make sure handed grabs in a crowd.... make no mistake that is an extremely valuable asset to have.  Dane Sanzenbacher was smaller too, but Dane was also an incredible route runner.... extremely sure handed too.  I loved watching him fire out and get open with a crisp route. 

I think CJ has some potential, but I don't think we need to read to deep right now... we are talking about UNLV here after all.   I would like to see him get some reps against some bigger opponents and see what he can do.  You never know, sometimes the guys who end up having great careers aren't the 5 star blue chip recruits, sometimes they don't even play on a major Div 1 squad.   Size and speed are the tangible things you can evaluate, but competitive fire and clutch performance is proven on the field... and I'll take that guy every time.

All things being equal, I'd like to see for my own eyes what Zack Smith does on a practice by practice basis with these guys.  I see a lot of things during the games that imo are all coaching deficiencies, such as not extending routes to find open areas, lack of ball position awareness on deep throws, poor hand position on catches, not holding downfield blocks longer.... lots of things

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allinosu's picture

I knew this was a bullshit post once the fact was made that receivers don't run before the catch. Blind or ignorant is the only question. It's the QB not hitting windows of opportunity. Like I said before, next year we will go on and on about the improvement the WRs made.

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teddyballgame's picture

Call me crazy but I like receivers that get open and catch the ball.  Blocking is also really important for a receiver but ....the position is called receiver right?  Isn't that more important?  Literally both of our "captain" receivers have dropped TD passes in the last few games.  Maybe that's why I'm so thirsty for a guy that gets open and pulls in the ball reliably. 

Of course it stands to reason that priorities might get a little out of whack when passing isn't your QB's strength.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

And the non "captains" AND young guys have dropped passes AS WELL!

Collectively there's been more errant passes than drops.  But that's not sticking to the narrative OR what this article is about.

Oh well, posts alone aren't enough to determine who plays, or even who are "captains"!!! Thank gawd!

Last week it was Haskins and his 4 for 4 performance. Burrow was 4 for 4 this week, no ticker tape for him, or slamming of DH.

Narratives people narratives.  As ALLINOSU says, next year a different song will be sung about the WRs.  I'm sure separation won't be one of them. 

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"He’s an inside guy that demonstrated sure hands and found ways to get open, showcasing elusiveness Buckeye receivers have lacked."

Kid has Brian Brennan written all over him. Give him more reps there Urbz.........

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Horvath22's picture

Brian Brennan. There is a name I haven't heard in a while. Wasn't he from Birmingham(MI) Brother Rice?

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I didn't see the game and won't see Saturday either. I HATE BTN.
This young Buckeye has received much attention and is getting much love. That is great for him.
Our very intelligent OC will (probably has) make the same conclusion. The cream always rises to the top. Probably lifting weights as I type and coach Smith will reinforce great blocking technique as soon as it's explained to him by coach Wilson.
Best of luck young man.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I hope he gets some action with the 1s on Saturday. I think he has earned the right as he has performed on the big stage.I also think everyone went off against a D2 team.I am also not sure if he starts or gets more snaps that he won't be affected like anyone else with the play calling/throwing/pass pro/night game/early game/extra week to prepare/expierance/travel/trust issues/route running/JK pass block/teams bring their "A" game/not game ready player syndrome.That said he looks like he wanted to play hard. Hope he gets some more action.Loved that TD he caught.

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cledaybuck's picture

UNLV may not be very good, but they are not D2.

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stuckupnorth's picture

They are probably one of the worst teams in D1. Most of the teams that beat them in the last Two years have doubled them up. To me that seems like they were not very competitive. They did beat Idaho,Hawaii, Jackson state,Fresno st,and Wyoming in last two years. They did get doubled up against bottom feeders of the MWC,MAC, and Howard a MEAC school. So yeah you are technically right they are not a D2 school my bad. 

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Steelydan54's picture

CJ caught an absolute bullet thrown to his hands in a very tight window. The first part of that statement is all about a surehanded receiver. The rest is about delivery. CJ is unlikely to get 3 yards of separation against better competition, which makes him an unlikely target in our current offense. Everybody needs to take a chill pill about CJ... until next season. 

Steelybuck54

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Buckbuster's picture

I will take heart over talent every time. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have the heart to push you to your full potential you become one of those wasted talent stories. Put the kid in! I think he want's it more. That my friend can be dangerous. I for one want to see more of him. Keep it up C.J., the fans appreciate it.

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Sanantonefan's picture

When I saw him catch that pass with the defender's hands flashing in front of his face, my first thought was "that was a pass that would not have been caught by some of our previous receivers." His focus on the ball was awesome!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Thedrw's picture

When I saw him catch that pass with the defender's hands flashing in front of his face, my first thought was "that was a pass that would not have been caught by some of our previous most of our current receivers." His focus on the ball was awesome!

FIFY 

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Sanantonefan's picture

Really can't argue.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Thedrw's picture

At a minimum, I would like to see him in 3rd and mid- yardage situations. Also, I would like to see a "get open" specialist in goal-to-go sets. He seems like a good fit for such situations.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

The slot WR in Meyer's offense is an H-B, so that means they will motion into the backfield at times.  I wonder if his blocking is up to par when blocking DBs, but not quite up there to be motioned into the backfield

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Trebor40's picture

First off, like another on this thread, THANK YOU LUKE FICKELL! I hope the young man gets some time against Rutgers, not to take away from the players who are working hard ahead of him, yet in recognition of all of his hard work! CJ Saunders, how cool it is to see a young person obtain their goals and exceed them! As far as increasing his playing time, I must admit having BOTH JT Barrett, and Haskins speak of how comfortable and confident they are in him should compel both Wilson and Urban to go through tape and focus on someone a little different than previous!

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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JohnnyUtah's picture

Who was throwing him the ball? I think the answer to the riddle of how a seemingly less talented player can suddenly look like the most polished receiver on the team might have something to do with when he was in the game, and who was throwing to him. It just seems like we are constantly missing the forrest for the trees here. Over the past three years, has the problem really been with two offensive coordinators, a slew of highly recruited wide receivers (one of whom produced next to nothing last season, saw his draft stock plummet, and then made a pretty talented roster in the NFL), or is the problem with one player's inability to make those offenses work, and get those receivers the ball? This seems so obvious. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Who was throwing him the ball?

Haskins to Saunders looks great*

*One pass from Burrow. 5 from Haskins. None from JT.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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