This kid is better than he's ranked.
Now give me Luther Muhammed
He ain't even stretch doe!!
30 offers don't lie
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He's ranked #55 overall, yet a 3 star. In football #55 is approaching 5 star status....
He is above #250 overall....but #55 PG. Top 100 overall are 4 and 5 star players. I think he is severely underrated, but we shall see what happens down the road. I like him, he has a nice jumper.
Hope this means he can fill it up- we've not had many good shooters of late
Football also has rosters that are about six and a half times bigger (85 vs 13). So you could argue that his football equivalent would be somewhere around #350 in football...which is right around the borderline of 3-star versus 4-star depending on the particular year and which service you're looking at.
Washington is currently ranked #290 in the class and #55 at his position....so your math would put him at #1800 for football. However, I think his ranking is deceiving...I think he will be closer to #100 by the time the final rankings come out. The kid can shoot from anywhere and shoots 90% from FT.
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Now lets keep the momentum rolling!! (Muhammad, Weaver, Udeze, Nembhard) Who's next?
Oh Yeah - Coach Holtmann continues to work the crootin trail
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He will be working and training with his uncle over the next 6-8 months. His uncle is derek fisher.
i did t know that
Fish is a damn fine player
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Not if Fisher goes deep into Dancing with the Stars!
Well, Can't see us losing at Rutgers for the next 4 years.
Welcome aboard Duane!
16-2 is SWEET!
I can't wait to see the basketball team this year
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Should be a great few years
Welcome to Buckeye Nation Duane !
BOOM! Hope the recruiting momentum keeps up.
Boom! Congrats to the coaching staff!!!
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That almost looks painful
This is a great start. And to think after Jallow came in last years class it was #1 in the Big Ten. Hopefully he can keep adding guys and get this class in the top 3-5 on the Big 10.
I'm sure glad this pearl dropped in our laps this afternoon.
Welcome young man, best of luck with the Bucks!
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Old enough to get that reference. Would've thought he was a lock for Syracuse.
I couldn't believe this one didn't go off the board early.
Happy for the kid, but we are THE Ohio State University, don't see how we can improve with 3 star recruits. There are a few here and there that pop but i don't see why everyone is so excited over a 3 star recruit
Bradley Roby and Darren Lee were 3 star recruits. I believe Tyquan Lewis was also. Dont bash on three star recruits, they may not be as naturally gifted as a 4 or 5 star recruit but they bust their humps and work hard. Ill take a three star if he puts in work and gets better
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
Like I mentioned, some of them do pop, but the fact you had to mention a different sport's athletes proves my point. My only point was that I think we should be able to get high ranked commitments more than we currently are.
Saw an article (SI maybe) talking about the difference between Khalil Mack and Jedaveon Clowney. Said Clowney heard from SoCarolina how great he was and never worked. Mack went to Buffalo and busted his hump every day. Article made the point that given their career paths being a lower rated recruit out of high school might help you when you look to take the next step.
Yes, some three stars pop. And some four and five stars never shine - Sibert, Mitchell, Giddens, Grandstaff...
At this point in our development we do not need a 1 and done which is what most of the 5 stars are looking at. We need someone that is going to come in here and bust his butt making himself (and the team) better.
Gotcha, I think I've seen an article like that. One and dones are exactly what we don't need, Rome wasn't built in one day.
Well, if you are exclusively gunning for 5 star hoops recruits-one (or two) and dones are what you playing with nowadays. Lots of roster turnover.
Also, Washington is a real deal shooter-most HS hoops " 5 star' types are there b/c of their NBA athleticism, quicks, size,etc,etc. They aren't necessarily elite shooters-and players without standout athleticism who develop their game/shot over the course of the HS career don't necessarily get the same hype-that doesn't mean college coaches don't recognize damn fine potential college players.
Mitchell eventually fell to a 3* after his injuries. Sibert had a pretty good career, leading Dayton's E8 team in scoring as a junior and first team A10 as a senior. Giddens and Grandstaff have only played 1 year in college, so jury is still out.
But yes, to your point, some 3*s outshine some 4 and 5*s. In general though rankings do mean something in how good a player is or can be. Washington seems to have all the intangibles and is a good shooter. His ranking is due to size and quickness for a 2G and the unknown of how well he can play the point (never really been the lead guard). I doubt his athleticism will change too much, but if he can display the ability to be a good lead guard, then his stock will rise.
I think he's probably a little underrated, but for those that say he is vastly underrated, who is he better than in the top 150? Was he better than Watson, Goodwin, Hunter, Muhammed, Weaver, Ayala or any other guys we are or have looked at for the pg/sg spots?
I have no way of saying if he is better than any of the 6 names you mentioned, but for practical purposes of fandom, you could throw all 6 of the names you mention, plus Washington in a bag, pull out a random combination of 3, and everyone would be equally pleased w/ the haul. It's not like the options are Malik Monk vs. some dude w/ offers from Wright State and Toledo.
Kid has a nice offer list, don't care what he is ranked, UCLA and Oregon aren't going to offer kids that can't at a high level and I don't believe Holtmann will either. I remember Trey Burke being a lowly 3 star that we passed on, how'd that turnout?
If I remember correctly, at this point in his high school career, Trey Burke was a three star player in all the services. Scout upgraded him late in the process.
Also, one other 3 star point guard ended up being pretty good.
Buckeye - Just like at the success of Butler (2 NC game appearances) and Gonzaga. In CBB, you mainly need a coach who can develop players once they get on campus. If Holtmann can do that, it won't matter if these guys are high 3's or low 4's.
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Wisky over the past 10 years or so has been one of the best programs in this conference, has won titles, tourney's and played for a national title and has had very few 4 or 5 star guys during that time. In fact most of their roster year in and out is typically full of 2-3 star kinds
I'm impressed. It was more than 5 comments before the negative Nancy's.
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How about that offer sheet though? Pretty damn good for "just a 3-star." Also, the rankings are not final there is still a senior year of basketball to be played.
Chillout... Don't get so shook up, all I mean is that at some point if we want to have a national presence, were gonna need some studs.
How do you know he won't be a stud?
You mean like all the one and done freshmen like UNC and Gonzaga had on their rosters-grand total of 1.............
I would look at the situation a little closer. Holtmann and staff got a lot of criticism a couple of weeks ago when 4 star in state recruit Dwayne Cohill committed to Dayton.
Yet, by most accounts, Cohill had a pretty weak showing on the AAU circuit. He received hardly any offers this summer because of it. Before committing to UD, the rumor was that Cohill was strongly considering Texas and Penn State, not exactly top flight programs.
Washington, on the other hand, tore it up this summer (15 pts a game, 89% FTs, 45% three pt pct) and got plenty of summer offers including ones from a trio of Sweet 16 teams : Oregon, UCLA, and UM.
Add in the fact that he is living with and training with Derek Fisher (his uncle) this upcoming year, and Washington looks like a heck of a pick-up.
So on the surface, a guy like Cohill seems like a much better committment. But if you look into it, I am not sure it is even close. Washington all day.
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Very valid point, I'll give you that. I just think that we should be able get higher ranked recruits easier than we currently do.
In a perfect world, yes. But have you watched this team the last few years? We're hardly in a position to complain about star ratings, especially for a guy who is vastly underrated.
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I completely agree. We should be able to get at least top 100 players every year. Teams full of Marc Lovings and Amir Williams will get us going again.
The offseason is the longest season.
Don't remind me - just when I thought I'd never hear Amir's name again
That was pretty funny !
I'd agree with this-Washington is a late riser...........
Again, the hoops team gets a little bit of hope and people piss on the cornflakes. Step away from your keyboard Buckeyeboy before you really hurt yourself.
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I obviously hope the kid becomes a stud, but at I don't understand why we can't seem to get a real commitment from someone who is a 4 or 5 star.
from my perspective, Coach H would prefer Washington, as his methods and program success come from gritty, team-oriented players without much adulation from others as young high schoolers
We just got a 4 star recruit yesterday, Jaedon Ledee.
Holtmann also got 4 star (and Top 100) recruit Kyle Young to decommit from Butler and join the 2017 class. Musa Jallow was a 4 star in the 2018 class, but dropped down to a 3 star (just barely) when he reclassified to the 2017 class.
The Buckeyes also have a solid chance of landing 1-2 more 4 star recruits out of the group of Elijah Weaver, Luther Muhammad, Eric Hunter Jr, Andrew Nembhard, and Noah Locke.
There's definitely a lot of unknown/risk in recruiting, if we can land one of those remaining 4 or 5 stars it'll be a good start to the Hotlmann era, IMO.
It's already a good start.
I doubt Butler ever recruits much beyond the 3-star range, and they've been an elite program for years.
And while I agree we're going to need stars at some point, most teams outside the Duke/Kentucky/UNC/Kansas axis are going to get important contributions from "average" players. We've had Jaquan Lyle playing the point recently precisely because there was no one like Washington to pick up the slack.
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jeah, what you said
Coach H has his plan, let him roll with it
don't see why everyone is so excited over a 3 star recruit
Because he's a VERY GOOD recruit, who is underrated and has lots of upside. And he seems to possess the rare pull-up jump-shot. Plus a slew of other schools wanted him.
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AND . . . he wears #4—like Aaron Craft—with quick hands. He can steal the ball and burn you with a trey.
He can rebound, see the court, dish it or keep it and go to the hole.
And it appears that he hustles.
Guarantee you this kid will rise in rankings his senior year. As many have pointed out, he's underrated. He's also a really good shooter, which is something we have badly lacked the last couple seasons.
Everyone is excited because we are gaining recruits instead of seeing them walk out the door.
If you aren't going to be excited about anything less than a 4* then you probably won't have to wait too much longer....oh wait we got a 4* like 2 days ago...but also there will be another
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Cannot wait to watch this new era. Always marveled at these types of players on other teams.
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Liked what I saw in his film. Can catch and shoot, get his own shot, hit the mid range pull-up, can score in the lane, and can handle and pass. Might not be the most athletic, but he's a bastketball later. We've had a lot of good athletes, and not necessarily basketball players, and that hasn't worked too well.
We've had a lot of good athletes, and not necessarily basketball players
Good point, Knar. When OSU hoops was at it's best, it was a roster with lots of skilled basketball players. Not a lot of super athletes, but guys who flat knew how to play basketball. Terrance Dials, Jamar Butler, Diebler, Turner, Sully, Deshaun Thomas, Craft, LaQuiton Ross...
All guys who were weren't very athletic, but were all hoopers. Just knew how to put the ball in the hole.
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No kidding-I loved DeShaun Thomas b/c he was certainly a volume shooter BUT he realized he needed to be nasty, grimy, crafty,tough,etc. on the floor to get the ball in his hands to score as much as he wanted-he didn't care if he took a 3 or got a chippie putback-points were points!
That's a lot Jocks...well said. I'm just thrilled osu doesn't have to suit up the water purification specialist! Boom!
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Welcome to the Buckeye family, Duane Washington!
Best of luck in life, in school and on the court. Go Bucks!
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Upearl, instead of Wpearl.... I may want to hold off on the historical nicknaming, but exciting none the less...
Well done 2 in a row with more to come nice to see Go Bucks
Late in, but congratulations to Duane Washington.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
I like where Coach Holt is going.
First, he's going to recruit Ohio State guys... translated: competitors, team first, higher ball IQ.
Second, he seems to be thinking "long term" team building. Look, it's nice to get a D.Russ here and there, but if you're not Kentucky or Kansas replacing them every year, you hurt your program.
Experienced good teams with good players around the program for a few years are able to really compete w/big boys (and win) that way. Example:
Three, I like college bball when I know the team and watch them grow together. We've missed that with all the chaos the last few years. I had more fun watching Sully 3bler and Craft, etc. this year in the TBT than I have watching OSU bball in 4 years. MOAR PLZ.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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Not to mention, 3 of the last 4 National Champions (UNC, Villanova, and UCONN) were dominated by upperclassmen (26 juniors and seniors between the three teams). Only Duke's team in 2015 had mostly freshman on the court.
I will gladly take a team of juniors and seniors as that seems to be what wins Championships. Let's keep planning long term coach!
I do think experience matters, but there were a lot of really good recruits in those teams as well. There were also a lot of teams that didn't even make the tourney that had senior oriented teams. The key obviously is getting talented players and developing them and molding them into a team. The coach matters, but so does the talent level of the players.
Thats not to say anything in particular about Washington, but I'm just not in the crowd that anyone we signed must be good. We need guards badly and this kid can possibly play 2 positions (if he is a viable PG, then that enhances his value).
The last point to make is that Washington (the '18 class) won't be a junior for 3 more years. Some people might be thinking that its important to get things turned around as soon as possible and getting more athletic and talented players can help bring success sooner. I was always of the opinion that unless we made the homerun hire (Stevens, Donovan, etc), then it was going to take 2-3 years to turn things around because you have to build confidence back into the minds of recruits that this is a place that will succeed. I am OK with the slow build up of the program as long as progress is shown along the way, but people need to be patient that its going to take time unless we hit it out of the park with recruiting.
Exactly-pumping out 1 and dones looks good on the recruiting trail, but it doesn't always lead to guaranteed success in the tourney. I care about tOSU winning tourney games, not putting players in the league-kinda like the difference between UNC and Duke the last couple of years. Having a competitive hoops program in the B10 is all I care about, not how that team is developed (on court, not ethically, of course).
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Coach H on a roll
Man, i'm old enough to remember his dad.
Is that really has dad?
If so, that's a cool Columbus connection.
Yep. Duane's Derek Fisher older half-brother. Played for the Columbus Horizon for a year or two in the very early 90s.
Class of 2010.
Coach Holtmann and staff are to be commended for the great work they have put in since taking over in June. As others have pointed out, it is exciting to see young men commit to OSU who will be their for a career, not a year, as the best teams over the long haul always have veteran players in college basketball.
Duane Washington's commitment is yet another step in the right direction. Go Bucks!
I got to watch the future Buckeye play Saturday night in Scottsdale. His team played the top team in Phoenix, Shadow Mountain HS coached by Mike Bibby. Was a crazy game that went into OT. Kenyon Martin's and Scotty Pippen's sons both play with Duane Washington, but it was Duane that took the final shot to win it. Unfortunately it rolled in and out, but the kid is very tough. Hit some big time shots to keep the game close and shows great leadership. Side note, Kenyon Martin is kind of crazy. I saw him yelling at the scorekeeper for posting a foul on his son that was not his. They got it figured out, but he went a bit overboard. Back to Washington; this kid looks like he will be a contributor as a FR.