Stock Up/Stock Down: Ohio State Offensive Play Calling Improves, Kickers Put on Blast

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Hovenaut's picture

The kickoff game in Columbus seems to be wayyy overthought...

...says me, from the comfort of a desk.

Go Purdue.

Axe cancer. Out indefinitely.

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Desymond's picture

Especially right now with the state of things. Until our offense gets rolling the policy should be to boot it out the back of the endzone. Zero coaching time should be spent on kickoffs right now. 

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Brutus_Bully's picture

We don't have anyone that can put in the end zone let out the back.

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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IGotAWoody's picture

They can put it in the endzone, they're just coached NOT to. Meyer prefers it to land around the 5, so his piranhas can swarm the ball carrier almost immediately.

“The good life is a process, not a state of being. It is a direction, not a destination.” ~Carl Rogers

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McGrind's picture

Maybe just me...but it sounds like a psych ops to me. Hey look over here we can kick off(huh???) Everybody go back to the tape and focus on this...no QB issues here. 

When I saw walk-on duck hook the kick...I figured Blake was late getting out of the Can...nothing more.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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cricejr's picture

Yes.  No one is even thinking about the QB situation now that Coach said this. 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Buck68's picture

hmmm... shove over on the bench...

seems to me we have "wayy" underspeed on our outsides, when Army returner can beat our whole team from near hash to far sidelines....

Buck68

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

It's not a lack of speed.. it's a lack of proper kicking placement, lane integrity, and tackling fundamentals

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hetuck's picture

The kick that was nearly returned for a TD was perfectly placed - about one yard from the sideline at the one foot line. The returner hesitated and realizrd he was in play, ran thirty yards parallel before he turned it up. Several missed tackles inside the ten. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Breakawayspeed's picture

The kick was perfectly placed but, with that entire half of the field "defended", all the kick returner had to do was out-run the first two or three defenders to the opposite sideline.  Got to contain!  Come on, man!

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McGrind's picture

^^^^YES, I thought it was a textbook OSU kickoff. Only issue I can think of was it lacked hang time...but hard to tell. It looked more like the gunners leaving their lane or missing the tackle. My watched it once in real time...was itmshould,of been Army ball about the twelve. Oh and ES made a very good touchdown saving tackle.

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Buck68's picture

Crusader - 'it' is not this or that.  There are many elements to each iteration of this wonderful game, as your post suggests.

Buck68

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gobucks5413's picture

Yeah I saw "Kristan" kick the ball and was very confused. 

I've always said, I'll never be afraid of a man named Wilton... I do think that Peoples-Jones will be one of the biggest misses in recruiting in the UFM era...I think he's really good. I agree, Go Purdue!

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IGotAWoody's picture

DPJ wasn't a 'miss', Meyer and OSU went after him HARD. He just selected his home state school instead of OSU.

“The good life is a process, not a state of being. It is a direction, not a destination.” ~Carl Rogers

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gobucks5413's picture

I think its still a "miss" if you go for him hard and don't get him. Semantics, but regardless, I think we're going to really wish we got him

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IGotAWoody's picture

Well, a "miss" is usually defined as someone the coaches failed to go after with sufficient gusto, or came too late to the party. The emphasis on my comment tho was the fact that DPJ is from the State Up North, so him choosing TTUN was not a surprise at all.

“The good life is a process, not a state of being. It is a direction, not a destination.” ~Carl Rogers

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

The kick off game only becomes issue when your scoring points. I say we worry about the latter.

Defending NW Ohio since 83

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TMac's picture

Boiler Up! 

I'd love to see the Boilers steamroll tTUN as opposed to the normal bridge crashing Boiler gif

ONE Not Done!

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cronimi's picture

That would be amazing, and not entirely unthinkable (though unlikely). 

So, am I the only one disappointed we don't have Purdue on the schedule this year? With 2 kids under 4, the only football I get to watch reliably is the OSU game, so I haven't been able to see what the new Boilermakers look like. I guess I'll have to wait to see them in Indy on December 2nd.... 

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rockyincbus's picture

Woke up today thinking about Kevin Wilson laying the foundation brick by brick to get our offense back on track, getting a healthy Weber back into the mix, watching our o-line improve week by week, seeing a safety acting like a safety, and drooling over what a pissed-off Schiano is dreaming up to get the defense back on track, and I'm thinking it is great to be a Buckeye fan!

Took me awhile, but I'm finally over Oklahoma and quarterback talk.

You've got barbecue back there?

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Pace'sPancakes's picture

We'll be ok until we play another elite defense.  These next few games were going to go like this, considering how easy they are.

JT is going to look ok in these games, then it will be a crapstorm when we play someone who isn't SW Alsaska St.

I hate to rain on your positivity, but man, I just can't get past this ineptness at the QB position.  How many titles have been thrown away the past few years because of poor QB play and poor play calling as a result.

Because I couldn't go for 3.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I appreciate the opinion, but the take that these "easy games" will only mask a problem and give the fan base a false sense if security ignores the fact that what they will truly do is give the offense more time to jell and improve.
Tell me the offense that lost to VT in '14 was the same offense after it got a chance to play Cincinnati, Maryland, Rutgers and eventually the same offense that won it all.
Calling for failure when the schedule gets tougher just sets us up to be able to go back and say, I told you so! Give it time, let the season play out and enjoy it.

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

It would be great to be optimistic. But we've seen the team struggle for the past two years ... including with Cardale. This isn't something new. Cardale was benched for a healthy JT ... we then lost to MSU at home despite having loads of future NFL talent. We then dominated ttun and ND ... because of that NFL talent. All of last year was a struggle, and came to a head in a beat-down to Clemson. And now Oklahoma ... at home ... dominated.

The optimism should be warranted and earned ... shouldn't it? Not just from dominating lesser teams like Army ... but from what improvement we see in what we know are existing problems. Have we seen improvement in creative play-calling? ... in down field passing? ... in JK carrying the ball more than JT? ... in letting Kevin Wilson call his own plays instead of Meyer's? ... etc. 

We can have fun tooting our own horn vs Army, UNLV and Rutgers. But we'll see what happens vs much more athletic teams like PSU and even Maryland. Those teams should be afraid of us. They're not. 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

And I will admit, I am getting a little more philosophical here, but without hope for improvement, there's no reason to watch. If it doesn't work out, we'll still be OK. It is OK to have a little excitement. We've been waiting for this season for 9 months, right?

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Buck68's picture

Ry4...

Exactly who,

will "truly do"?  ;-{)}

And please...don't talk about my 'false sense', 'ignore[s]'... and so froth.  I'm such a sensitive & caring person.  ;-{)}

So... I "call for" the "I told you so"

of I AM so rite,

be cause i know so?

And IF 'I know'...

"let the season play out"?

So i am to watch the leaves turn and fall

in the midst of no people doing anything at all?

Would you or i or any Buckeye...

"enjoy" that? 

Buck68

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Buck, I hear ya. I am saying to watch those leaves, and keep holding out hope that the majority of leaves you see are Buckeye leaves being slapped all over the helmets of the guys scoring points and getting better.

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ibuck's picture

I hate to rain on your positivity

Sorry, not buying that. At all.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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rockyincbus's picture

No worries, I understand where you are coming from. I've been ticked really since the first quarter against Indiana so to wake up feeling positive about this team is a good thing.  I get your frustration about JT but if you focus on what the guy can't do instead of what he can, you're going to miss out on enjoying a potentially great season.  I am not saying that things are fixed - or that we'll even have an idea if the Bucks are really improving until they play somebody real.  But, I am saying that I like the approach and I trust the track record of the coaching staff.  Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano, Kevin Wilson, Larry Johnson, Kerry Coombs - geez these guys are legends- and they know what they are doing and how they are going to put the Bucks in a position to succeed.  I believe they're going to get  a whole lot better.

You've got barbecue back there?

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ScarletAndGrayMatter's picture

Man, I love the optimism. Not a lot of that in the forums lately. If I am being honest with myself, it's going to take 3-4 weeks of consistent improvement to get to where you are. But it is nice to know it is possible to get there. 

Stay gold Rocky. Stay gold.

Drive, Drive on down the field, Men of the Scarlet and Gray!

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Buck68's picture

Confuze say:

in ocean of hyperbole

"optimism" is a submarine...

where 'higher' or 'lower'...

is still below, before the blow. 

Buck68

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rockyincbus's picture

Thanks, man. I didn't enjoy the Army game because I kept grumbling "This won't work against Penn State" and stuff like that, lol.  But, then I started thinking about the opportunity in front of this team and what this coach is capable of when he is an underdog.  I hope Penn State rolls until they come in the 'Shoe and I hope everybody says that the Bucks have no shot.
 

You've got barbecue back there?

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stpetebuck's picture

Hey Rocky

Attaboy!!! I'd upvote this twice 

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rockyincbus's picture

Took me longer than it should have but in Urban I trust!

You've got barbecue back there?

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Buck68's picture

Rockyincbus...

'we' need to start at foundation, before laying "brick by brick"...

====Confuze say:

man without problem

have neither solution

nor story.

====Confuze say:

When

"I'm finally over"...

it begins.

Buck68

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saluki2007's picture

Come on Nebraska get it together.  I would hate to see Schiano bolt there.

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OSUinVESTed's picture

lol I was thinking that too...Maybe even Notre Dame if Brian Kelly is fired.

“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”

-Urban Meyer
 

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Buck68's picture

Saluki2007

"Bolt" from the Nuts, you say?

Hopefully, he does not slink away

to move on, or

pursue life goals...

But stays...

to mold men from clay?

Does UFM need to

reform each year with another coaching 'mix'?

Or, renew with young coaching lions,

the annual quest?

Buck68

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DaiTheFlu's picture

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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aboynamedtracy's picture

That is the worst Limerick I've ever read...

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Buck68's picture

Aboynamedtracy -

wonderful!

now you can always... do better.   ;-{)}

Buck68

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aboynamedtracy's picture

There once was a Buck68,

In threads he'd participate.

Though nebulous was his prose,

It was often on the nose.

But his punctuation's still up for debate!

You see, it's all about the AABBA...

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Buck68's picture

AABBA...

[searching]...

All-American Black Belt Academy?

;-{)}

ps  no debate here:  my nose is a punctuated nebula

Buck68

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aboynamedtracy's picture

AABBA is the rhyme scheme in that the first, second and fifth lines end on rhyming words, as do the third & fourth with respect to each other. 

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Buck68's picture

Aboynamedtracy - thank you!  

I thought surely you would remind me the 3rd & 4th lines are... shorter.  ;-{)}

It's always encouraging to discover that an anachronism has not [yet] been... reinvented.

Buck68

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vball10set's picture

good evaluation, well done...and I completely agree that the kickoff team is a hot mess (which I find surprising since this is Urban's special project)

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Buck68's picture

Vball10set:

Confuze say:

when "hot mess"

is your "special",

your preference is

your fall.

Buck68

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Cuser17's picture

Nebraska has been pathetic ever since it joined the B1G.. and only seem to be getting worse. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

You mean hiring a coach who average 6.65 wins per year at Oregon State, with only two 9 win seasons and one 10 win season, is not panning out.  Wow, what a surprise!

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Buck68's picture

Nebraska - their past

makes their present

a sleeping giant.

Who or what

will awake them?

Hopefully, not some pearl from a Buckeye!

Or, would that not be a greater good...

if 'good' yet survives Diversity,

and has not yet become... whatever?

Buck68

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GareBear's picture

Still have issues to figure out... 

But as for football, sounds like another tune up game in UNLV. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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BPOSU's picture

Urban Meyer hasn't been one to beat around the bush in his time at Ohio State. If someone or a unit isn't playing well, he usually calls it like he sees it

All except one position...

Yeah.. I went there 

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Archerm's picture

he usually calls it like he sees it

All except one position...

Not true.  Urban is indeed consistent in calling it like he sees it.  He just sees it differently than you (and seemingly most of the public).

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

He doesn't "call out" his own position, either. Why are we sticking with a type of play-calling other top teams have clearly figured out? We have the best talent and best coaching. Why aren't both of those being allowed to flourish? Kevin Wilson has a long track record of producing dominating offenses. So ... let him create and produce. Meyer needs to look in the mirror too .. and not just place blame on those around him. 

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Buck68's picture

"there" is the tip of the iceberg.

...not so easy to 'see' as we 'think'

and "calling it like he sees it"...

omits the other 90%.

Buck68

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Kyson12's picture

Ohio States  play calling and down field throws....Stock  down. We are nearing Michigan status here. 

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McGrind's picture

Stock Down should just be the Dave Branden (Brandown) trophy....made of lead of course.  The latest ship to sink with his gifted M man strategy...Toys r Us...  what 80s relic will he try to revive next?      The A Team, Radio Shack, VHS fitness videos, Cabbage Patch Kids....

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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jmmysms's picture

You forgot 8 track tapes!

I understand a challenge but there is a time when you have to say, this old, it ain't working and we have to move on.

I will now step aside for our QB brawlers to have at it.

JSMS

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MNBuck's picture

If I were Kevin Wilson, on a film study day, I would have the QBs watch Mason Rudolph run the RPO... it is breathtaking.

"The people, who try to make this world worse... are not taking a day off. How can I? Light up the darkness. ~ Bob Marley

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Buck68's picture

[brilliantly searching for "Mason Rudolph"...]

'could potentially be' starving me of 'my oxygen supply'?   ;-{)}

Seriously... agree with film watching for what TO DO, far more than what NOT to do.  And, 'the best' examples for that goal, wherever they might 'be'... for that would require not a few... adjustments....   ;-{)}

Buck68

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Chic'sGhost's picture

How about Dwayne Haskins?  Sure it was mop up duty against a service academy, but WOW!  Step back, BAM on the numbers,  step back, BAM on the numbers, step back, BAM on the numbers, step back, BAM on the numbers.  

4 for 4.  I was impressed.  Stock way up.  

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Hell yeah let's get him a Heisman right now

Defending NW Ohio since 83

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Chic'sGhost's picture

No ability to see between one and one hundred, huh?

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

BAM It's a joke relax

Defending NW Ohio since 83

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Buck68's picture

agree - looks like 'something' [named Fuller?] lit a fire under Smith?

similarly, Campbell has lately displayed a burst that has been MIA for... years.

Buck68

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stpetebuck's picture

Funny how some judicious bench time can inspire fierce play. (Looking at you JT)

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kmp10's picture

 I am laughing at myself after watching a few clips from Michigan's first three games. 

Well, unfortunately, as hard as you're laughing at Speight's NFL draft prospects, I'm sure *ichigan fans are laughing even harder at Barrett's. As of this moment, Joe Burrow and Dwayne Haskins would both seem to have far more Sunday potential than either of the starting quarterbacks mentioned here. 

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countrybuckeye's picture

my eyes say the Buckeyes are playing college football. 

you can have your NFL dreams, where even though they supposedly are the best players college has to offer, most teams make the playoffs with with a complete handful of losses

college is nearly a "one loss and you're out" situation, and that places more pressure on the entire organization -- especially when certain fans expect the college game to deliver perfection, but not their beloved pros

let the kids play -- I find that very entertaining 

now, #GetOffMyLawn

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Why can't we argue with the effectiveness of the RPO? ... if it was against an inferior opponent? This is silly. Of course the Buckeyes will rack up huge yards and points vs lesser teams. But the same RPO attack has not worked for the Buckeyes vs much better talented teams. It's good to see better tempo ... but being more creative in getting our skill in more space and with much less predictable play-calling ... will still be the primary issues unless Urban Meyer can realize why he hired Kevin Wilson in the first place. 

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

The play calling was much better, there were very effective wrinkles and motions added to the zone read / screen RPO and more will stem off of that. It comes down to execution now.. what Wilson did against Army will be effective against good teams if the execution is there. Dobbins averaged 13 yards per carry because when JT read to give the LBs and Safeties were caught up in defending the edges. It was effective in loosening up the inside run game. We also ran fake screens that hit vertical routes when corners and safeties got greedy. RPOs worked fine for Marcus Mariota when he won the Heisman.. They worked fine for Baker Mayfield vs the Buckeyes. The offense will continue to evolve

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

That all sounds great. But again, you're talking about a game vs ARMY ... not Alabama. More talented teams fill gaps much more quickly. I liked the better tempo of the Buckeyes, but that really only seemed to happen on the first drive. The screens were nice too ... but again ... much more talented teams players will be right there to defend. This was largely still the same predictable offense. 

And yes it worked for Mariota and Mayfield ... but they also included downfield passing and misdirection and getting skilled athletes in space. Things the Buckeye O does not do. I have faith and no doubt Kevin Wilson can create such an attack. Will Meyer let him? 

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Buck68's picture

not a question of 'work/not work' [2 dimension checkers].  A 3 dimensional chess game.

2 dimensional examples:

effectiveness/not effective

superior/inferior

greater teams, lesser teams

more ... creative or predictable

UFM can/cannot "realize"...

====r u a pitcher?

one pitch = 'sit on it'

two pitches = this or that

3 pitches = you're in trouble, and guessing

Buck68

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saltybuck61's picture

To be fair, the RPO offense is a relatively new idea. Auburn was really the first big team to start doing it in 2013. Ohio State didn't use it much the past three years at all. This was the first game I have ever seen them play where the offense is entirely designed around a run-pass option. It makes sense thought. 

Oklahoma played the RPO against Ohio State and it was incredibly effective. It was a different stripe of RPO, but still an option play. Oklahoma had a better offensive showing than any team over the last four years against Ohio State. The idea that an RPO won't work against good teams is not true. It has worked against us before. As long as it is used intelligently in situations that call for it, then it will work. 

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Buck68's picture

Saltybuck61...

how many years decades have we been talking about our bipolar 'vision' of 'the run' and 'the pass'?

so, if an idea is 'old enough'... it becomes 'new'?   ;-{)}

Buck68

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

The top recruited classes eventually produce the best teams ... just like Clemson and Alabama. But why not with the Buckeyes? Simple ... it's because of the scheme and predictable play-calling. The Buckeyes are supposed to have the best coaching staff in the country ... right? So why the struggles? It's ... the ... scheme ... and play-calling.

Meyer keeps saying "We need to get better". But what he means is ... "We need to get better ... at what we already do." Why? Why do we need to "get better" at what we already struggle with? Why not move in a more creative direction?

Call and design plays to get our top talent in positions of success. The other top teams do this. Meyer does not allow the Buckeyes to do the same. Why is JT carrying the ball as much as JK? Why do other teams say how predictable the Buckeye O is?

Let Kevin Wilson design and create ... and do what he does ... and not simple call Meyer existing plays. Or at least a half and half mix ... or something! Stop being so stubborn with what we know already does not work vs top teams. And start allowing our talent and skill to dominate. Attack ... don't react. Kevin Wilson.

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kmp10's picture

To be clear, I agree with everything you said in your post. I do think, in addition to a tired, predictable offense, that Barrett is a liability in the passing game. Having said that, it seems clear that the more people press Meyer to change his offense/scheme the more obstinate he's becoming. How he's dealt with Barrett is a microcosm of how he's dealing with the offensive philosophy as a whole. There are people, not just fans, but coaches and former players/ current analysts, who have openly opined that Barrett is a liability in the passing game and that he's not accurate beyond 10-15 yards past the LOS. They're not saying it because they don't like Barrett, or because they're dicks (well, some of them are), they're just stating in a very matter-of-fact way that the evidence shows that JT Barrett has a long history of being inaccurate(ish) and indecisive. Meyer refuses to even acknowledge that Haskins or Burrow might be of use, in conjunction with Barrett, in particular game scenarios. He steadfastly insists that Barrett is the only consideration at quarterback... and he's dealing with whispers about the offense/scheme needing to be refined/upgraded/modernized in the same way. Kevin Wilson, after making magic at IU with a bunch of players the Ohio State's, Notre Dame's, and TTUN's of the world wanted nothing to do with coming out of high school, didn't become a crappy play caller over the summer. If Meyer would let Wilson do what Wilson does then this team would improve by leaps and bounds offensively, imo. 

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BuckeyeLefty's picture

Totally agree. But if Meyer refuses to yank JT in place of Haskins or Burrow ... then what do most coaches do with their struggling QB? They design an offense that makes things easier. If JT is super inaccurate ... then establish a dominating ... "we're going to shove the ball down your throat and there is nothing you can do about it" ... with our huge O-line and stellar RB's. Give him very simple pass plays ... screens (including traditional screens, not just out wide), quick slant passes, draw plays, misdirection, a reverse every now and then ... creative plays that keep the D on their heels ... instead of predicting the possibility of the next play being a JT run is at about 60%. 

I hear all the JT noise too. I like Haskins a lot ... and wish JK Dobbins would get the ball at least twice as much as JT. But that predictability ... and even some of the inaccuracy issues (give him easier plays) ... is not entirely JT's fault. It's the play-calling. 

Did you see the Yahoo article from last week? Opposing coaches saying ... "It's the offense, not the QB". 

https://sports.yahoo.com/opposing-coaches-whats-wrong-ohio-state-offense...

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kmp10's picture

I did see that article, yes. And I agree, it's FAR from being all Barrett's fault. Zach Smith's room is again disappointing, the right side of the o-line again looks to be a weak link, altho a bit less of one, when they throw the football, and Kevin Wilson looks nothing like the play caller he was at IU. Having said that, Barrett has his share of former players/analysts/coaches who are willing to publicly say that he absolutely is underperforming and without question bears a portion of the blame for the offensive woes. There's no way around that. I also agree, and I've stated on here many times, that Meyer insisting on forcing Barrett's square peg ability into the offense's round hole philosophy is maddening, and that changing things to allow Barrett to be the best he can be should be the direction the offense takes for the remainder of 17... but Meyer is determined to run his same old offense with a quarterback who isn't capable. Meyer believes that hitting the 'home run' and stretching the field on the parameter is the way to loosen up the defense, but Barrett has proven, again and again, that he isn't capable of throwing deep with any consistency whatsoever, and on the rare occasion that he does drop a dime then Terry McLaurin or Paris Campbell watch it go thru their hands. Against teams of similar talent, it's become painful to watch. 

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Buck68's picture

Lefty - IMO much substance in your post - from concepts to detail.  UFM  has said he thinks by his preferences, and has affirmed our "identity" as a "power spread running team".  As you define your self, you reveal your self...or your Facade.

We are 'evolving'... inductively.  Like a animal looking for food, we go from smell to smell.  We have been given 'reason'; thus 'deductive reasoning' is available to all of us. But, to exercise deductive thinking, we have to suspend our natural & acquired biases, and exercise logic.  The rules of logic are quite clear and simple... compared to the many volumes of ...logical fallacies.   ;-{)}

It seems, based on what UFM & Wilson have said & done so far... that they have been busy trying to 'pour new wine into old wineskins' and trying to play 'the mix'.  In math terms, trying to add fractions without first finding and converting all elements into a 'common denominator'.

Adding a wrinkle here and there 'works' until the opponent learns to read it accurately.  How long is that?  Depends on...not you, but the opponent.  But isn't 'the idea' to deceive, confuse, misdirect the opponent?  Over and over...not just first first time.

And which of our many football wonders would give the opponent's defense an entire 0.2 seconds' 'head start?  Context:  4.6 is good LB speed... 4.4 is good DB speed!  Now...how about 0.05 sec...in the wrong direction?

We're not thinking hierarchically, tactically... be cause our 'strategy' is a preference.  So...we have, from the gitgo... omitted "the rest of the story" ...We can say yes or no, but 'depth' [why] we have put in St. Elsewhere.

Now that "design and create" thing... ;-{)} 

Buck68

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

The play calling was much better and the tempo was there at last.

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Buck68's picture

agree there were a few indicators of each; but,

opponent,

situations,

risks [OK, we were at home  ;-{)}  ], 

tactics compared to 'additions' or 'wrinkles'

Buck68

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Buck68's picture

Many 'good things happened' on the field last Saturday afternoon...but.   ;-{)}

Hopefully, our excuses for our pride of DL are melting our earwax.

We couldn't stop a simple belly handoff.  That Army 5'9 235 FB out-toughed our 'best ever' DL repeatedly, and in 'key situations' he got the first down.  He 'fell forward' for 'that yard you just have to get'... way too often.  We got Woodied.

and...our quickest DT #67... right-sized for an undersized match-up... got schooled.  Even Jones had his hands full. 

and...we gave up 2 [3?] big running plays on simple sweeps.

and...our cutback support on several QB options... wasn't there until Tuf adjusted in the 4thQ...

Fundamentals of 'the run game' ...all.

There are many things the players did well...

but we all traditionally and loyally know that, 'you can't win, if you can't stop the run'  

And, do our usual hyperbole & avoidances trump our performance so as to inflate... our selves before the next task at hand?

Advancing step by step... does this fit our 'learning curve' necessary to prepare for 'the big opponents' to come... without losing our focus on 'next'?

Looking for indicators....

GO BUCKS!

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

All true.....but our porous defense still stuck them for less rushing yardage than their season average. 

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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linepilot15's picture

Season average? I would hope, they played Fordham and Buffalo.

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Buck68's picture

ICNFG3 may i make a few distinctions - be cause your post includes a number of Logical basics?

1-True.  In deductive logic, there is a fundamental distinction between "valid", and "true".  To be valid, a deduced conclusion from a premise and minor premise need only be rationally accurate.  To be "true" it must also be morally right [from Absolute Authority].  And there you have it:  Diversity Hemlock in a cup...the rest is banned here yet is still evident in every word and thing.

2-porous.  All adjectives and adverbs are...modifiers.   Amoral modifiers [e.g. 'porous'] omit moral authority.  Moral modifiers [e.g. 'wrong'] directly or indirectly assert that authority.  I suspect it's obvious why 'ethics' [the ethos of pathos by logos] became 'necessary' for the 'me on top' crowd.  Of course in Diversity I AM 'the dictionary' of all meanings by my feelings.  So "sadly", you are wrong or... whatever i say.

3-what is an "average" of several unique occurrances?  Besides... meaningless?  Then why do we use them to the point we 'actually think' the thinker is a statistic?  Be cause the Deceiver of Others... must first deceive himself.  I mean, he has "to be" "ready" with his narrative... plus 1,000 plugs for the holes....

3 simple steps to 'doing what the animals do'... first 2 of which are denying  and deceiving precisely what we declared to 'make ourselves' above the animals & plants... #1 in the food chain of ...civilization... rite in our own mind.

we...uh... "have" ... "a porous defense" that keeps "sticking" us... "for less".  "Science"...being rite... names this universal determined happening as "entropy".

Buck68

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

In addition, poor angles by the kickoff coverage unit almost led to a touchdown by the Army return team in last week's win. 

The ankle breaking stutter step at the one yard line concerned me on that return. Two or three players froze, instead of following thru on the play, and then just getting left in the dust.  

The kick coverage team was pretty ugly, minus the forced fumble and recovery that was taken away by the football gods. 

Cancer sucks! 

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Maybe I was paying attention to the wrong things, but other than one shortish kick I didn't see any problem with Haubeil (still have no idea how to pronounce that -- hopefully Beth will call a game soon so I can hear the proper way to say it). 

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Ha-------Beel........

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BelowAverageJoe's picture

I was scrolling to find someone who was thinking this exact thing because it is exactly what I was wondering. Not only have I felt that he has been kicking well, he has also saved a few run backs.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Hopefully in this article next week we see JT's confidence and comfort in the 'Stock Up' section.  We watched him throw and decision make confidently and with much comfort in 2014.  Hopefully we can see it in 2017 as well.

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semperfibuck's picture

Have never understood the hype around Mike Riley. Before Neb, he won just over 50% of his games. At UNL, he is winning just about 50% of his games. Why any other expectation?

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Ocbucks's picture

Purdue is underdog by 10 points. That is a close game.  Not so unthinkable they could win. 

The OSU passing issue is being missed.  JT throws only line drive fast balls. Hitting downfield pass like that is much harder. Until he learns to throw a ball where a receiver can adjust and run under we will not have a downfield passing game. He does not  throw back shoulder or any touch passes. It's the biggest issue over time and open recievers. 

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Urbanologist's picture

I do not understand how anyone can feel like the offense had different feel or tempo. Looked like the same, slow play calling, almost delay of game, bubble screen, QB read-run offense ( with a few big RB runs) we have seen beat bad teams and lose to good ones that we have been watching since Meyers arrival. I wou,d like to see something different, but its going to take a few more ass beatings before Meyer is willing to pack up his ego and allow Wilson to actually get this offense playing up to its potential.

Theire is only one truth...

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OleTimbo's picture

Throw the records out when Ohio State plays UNLV!

At least we're not from Detroit...

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NHBuckeye's picture

Bur what about Calibraska?  I hope Nebraska continues their downward spiral and Tyjon Lindsey realizes the funnest thing he has to do out there to sit and watch the activity in his Ant Farm.  

2018 B1G Champions!   Deal wit it haters... 

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blu.fan's picture

We are waiting to see the Purdue game too. I think Michigan will crush Purdue, but then, I am a Michigan homer. It really hinges a lot on a couple basic things:

  1. How will Purdue manage against a really good defense? Gary was quoted this week saying that Michigan has not revealed an awful lot of their defensive plans.
  2. How much pressure will Purdue's defense put on Speight. Last year, he did very well against mediocre defenses. If the OL gives Speight time, and Michigan receivers create separation from Purdue's secondary, this will be a blowout.
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Luckobucko's picture

Is anyone else surprised the UM v Purdue game isn't already a sellout? I would have thought blue fans would fill the place just based on proximity of Ann arbor and west Lafayette. I'm pretty confident buckeye nation wouldn't have left any seats unsold this late

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KENTACOHUT's picture

Purdues play calling is imaginative , and may  be just enough to surpass the skunk weasels. Speight's passing is a dumpster fire waiting to happen, Their run game has only been decent against subpar teams. If Purdue can handle the blitz pressure , I'm calling for the upset in West Lafayette. Boiler up ! 

"Vitalum Vitalis "

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tcm1968's picture

Still not sure I understand what the problem with the kickoffs is... the coverage on them is pretty obvious...still think that has a lot to do with who we send out there. Maybe it's a depth issue???? but when I watch "insert top 10 team" they seem to have mostly starters or 2nd team guys out  there on kickoff returns. We tend to have a handful of walk-on types and Freshman with a few experienced guys..

Back to the actual kicks though. Urban has repeatedly said he wants the ball to fall right by the pylon and Haubeil seemed to do just that and got yanked....

Do we know if Urban has switched the philosophy on the kicks? Like maybe Haubeil is supposed to be banging them out of the endzone until we shore up return coverage??

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osu992's picture

Consistency. The kick needs to be high enough and still land within 5 yards of the end zone no more than 7-10 yards from the sideline. Every time. 8 yards off the end zone and 15 yards off the side line half the time aren't close to the standard.

I made up all these numbers, but the standard is high.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Kick off' s are never returned for touchdowns or crazy big yardage when you have a guy who sends it out of the back of the end zone. Note to staff. Get one of those guys soon.

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stpetebuck's picture

Wow, gotta say the 38-7, 586 yard performance was just what it needed to be. Gotta beat the opponent you have on the field that day.  It's so frustrating to watch an enjoyable dominating game and read about how the opponent obviously sucks and what we did against Army won't possibly work against Alabama. NO SHIT EINSTEIN!  We allow only one touchdown but a couple good runs mean our DL sucks too. Wtf? Enjoy these wins. We have no birthright to anything better. And it's  way better than squeaking out 10 pt wins over Hawaii and Norhern Illinois. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Man, what a debut for Borland.  An absolute monster at MLB.  This week, let's see how he does against a formidable running game, and in pass coverage against some TEs and RBs.

I'd also like to see him engaged in some blitz packages.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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