4 one read passes is an impressive performance? Wow. It cracks me up how people on social media speak a name up like they've seen him practice day in and day out and now after 2 minutes of game time people are like OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE BEST SHIT EVER. Lmao, stop it
Btw, Burrow is legit too.
People are impressed because he made 4 passes that JT has proven he does not have the ability to make.
Because I couldn't go for 3.
I want to expound on this a bit even if it means "helmet stickers" will be deducted. I read this morning how Haskins is likened to Jones but a smaller frame. I beg to differ. Haskins looks like a better passer. There is more to it than just his 12 gauge. Haskins looks great.
And I think Burrow does too. And knowing Meyer and knowing Burrow can run the zone read, I think he plays first. Unless Wilson is in there saying "Put in Haskins (Kelly/Marino). It is wierd seeing a passer like that, both of them, in the scarlet and gray. Troy Smith deserves legendary status to me, but Haskins passes are thing of beauty.
Don't forget that he played in a very controlled environment where he wasn't allowed to be hit in April.
The Future was on display in the 4th quarter last Saturday. Decisive, accurate, smooth, productive, with an NFL hose. I have absolutely nothing against Joe Burrow; however, as long as #7 stays healthy and keeps his nose clean..
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
This is funny, because I thought I was told Burrow was the one.
But he hurt his thumb so Back up quarterback guy needed a new flash hero.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Is it not possible that they're both more talented than Barret? I certainly think so.
Was it the combined 32 passes they have thrown in garbage time that has convinced you>
All aboard the hype train!! Choo Choo!
Burrow can do that stuff too, just look at his 6 for 6 and a touchdown against Rutgers last year. It was a thing of beauty. He just needs a chance.
JT was 9/10 2 TD's in the first 2 drives against Army.
Life isn't always fair. Talent wins. This is big boy football.
Big Daddy Kane Jr will win us a national championship, money back guaranteed. Gifted thrower. Urban/Ohio State no longer need an Emory Jones, JT, Braxton... We have developed, evolved, increased our brand, we get 5 star RBs every recruiting cycle, 5 star OT and OL every cycle.. starting to get 5 start WR / HBs every recruiting style. This "Next Era" of Urban's offensive system will be fun. Urban is letting his best OC ever play video game #s with The Future Dwayne Haskins, his arm talent demands it. Sorry Joe. It is what it is.
Don't get me wrong, I hope you are right, but guaranteeing a NC, just a tad bold. Ohio State has two since 1970. Just saying.
BTW, we already have a qb on the roster with a NC ring, and he played a huge role. Some fans forget this or rewrite the narrative to suit their purposes (Cardale won us a ring).
I'm not arguing the fact that he may be next in line because he looked good in his allowed time, but NFL talk? Let's see more than 4 passes before we get him drafted by an NFL team....
Calling it now, whoever starts next year, Haskins or burrow, 3 bad passes and people will be bitching calling for a qb change. Just because we have good depth doesn't mean throw the qb away and try another every other week. But I guarantee we'll have quarterback controversy for the next 3 years
Wait 'til one throws a pick, or worse a pick-6. the message boards will melt!
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Lmao. And the quote will start "I knew ----- should have started"
My brothers girlfriends mothers sisters neighbors grandfather said, that the entire Buckeye football team took a vote. From what I understand, they decided that if after the UNLV game next week, the finicky Buckeye fans are still calling for JT's head, they are going to trade those same finicky fans in on better fans. If they can't get anyone take the trade, then they are just going to give them to TSUN. /s
The idea sounds a little far-fetched, but at least you got it from a reliable source! +1
Thanks.+1. That's why I felt obligated to post it. I guess i should have used the old.
I don't see Burrow coming back next year if he isn't all but named next year's starter soon after this season ends. He's just too talented to risk not being given a chance to start and possibly open a few scout's eyes. Then again, maybe I'm underestimating the number of people who want Tate to play sooner rather than later.
I would really like Joe to get his shot. He's legit and getting completely overlooked by the fan base because social media opinions tell them to think otherwise.
Joe's been my pick since the Clemson debacle.
There is no such thing as "friendly fire"..
The two things that matter most...good decision making and accuracy...Joe has. He will get a shot somewhere...I hope it is here...and not as a fourth round pick of the patriots. But you can bet your last dollar, Browns will find a reason not to take him.
ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.
I know this is a sensitive subject for many, but you bring up a valid point about the quarterback situation. I have no idea who should be number 2 on the depth chart, but I think at least one of them needs to get meaningful playing time. Burrow looked very good in limited mop-up duty last year....as did Haskins last Saturday......but I would like to see both get some series in the first half of the next two games at least. Start giving next years guy some game experience.....who knows, you may catch lightning in a bottle.
That's what I've thought all along: that Urban will string a decision out as long as he can, because the one who comes in second will transfer.
I've been told Burrow is in line to get a degree in May and can thus be a grad transfer. I would be surprised if the idea hasn't crossed his mind. I doubt he thought in 2014 that JT would still be here.
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Tough decision for Joe. I understand he is about to graduate and will be free to transfer freely. I would wish him the best wherever he goes (within reason). I have a suspicion Urban looks at him as a potential middle ground candidate next year between the scrambling Martell and the pocket thrower Haskins. The staff wouldn't have to change the offense much from JT because he runs well enough, but they can probably get a little bit more going in the vertical game. He likely won't be the subtle yard-gaining read-option guy that JT is, but if he can make good decisions, he has a chance. But, the coaches have to be drooling over the ridonkulous arm talent of Haskins and the young hotshot Martell so I hope they have an honest and frank discussion with him in the offseason. Even better, let's get Haskins and Burrow in some more games and see what they can do (not saying to bench JT)
You've got barbecue back there?
Matt Cassell didn't start a game since High School and still had a career in the NFL. If Burrow has the talent, he will be rostered somewhere.
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anyone not think Hoodie has his own spies checking the qbs out?
Yep Pat, exactly. Plus 1000.
Put in the backup is one of fanboys go to cards (the other is fire the coach). I don't know how we would get the data, but I would love to know how many of the #fireFickle guys are also put in the back up qb guys. Huge connection I am betting.
RE 'Calling it now, whoever starts next year, Haskins or burrow, 3 bad passes and people will be bitching calling for a qb change.'
Wrong! Caveat being that there's always a few knuckleheads in every fanbase who expects tds every drive from their Qb. But I think most fans would give a young, talented qb a longer leash in the beginning until he's gets experience. On the other hand, why a 5th year QB still needs a long leash is something a lot of fans are wondering about and frustrated by.
Lastly, it wasn't exactly ancient history when a freshmen named Terrelle Pryor became the starting qb even though we returned a senior qb that led us to a championship game appearance. Pryor was as green as it gets when he got his first opportunity, but most fans gave him a pass because his talent was obvious and he was being groomed for the future. I give Tressel a lot of credit for that decision. After a terrible early season loss to USC, Tressel realized that Boeckman wasn't the answer for that season...so he started looking towards the future. Wish Urban looked at things the same way...because based off of recent history and his overall regression as a passer, JT's defencies will not lead OSU to a playoff or BIG championship.
I think Urban doesn't get his underwear all up in a bunch over early season games. Period. Its all about peaking at the right time with a pissed off and underrated team. Winning a lot of games early makes that harder on the team to get motivated later in the year. Not when every fan thinks we can't be beat. I do think Urban is a little concerned about JT, but I think he thinks he is the best chance for us to win THIS year. I think if JT struggles against Penn St, you may see Haskins in that game. But until then, it makes more sense to have JT start. I think by years end you'll likely see a much more interested coaching staff; JT feeds off them so much, I think you'll see him change too. My biggest concerns and the area of regression that can be fixed is Prince. He gave JT happy feet and you can see JT still needs to get some confidence that that side won't just cave in on him when he goes to throw. JT hates, HATES turnovers. I'd rather see the RT replaced before the QB. Besides Haskins and or Burrow could play the Cardale/ Kenny G role should JT get injured. Anyway....GO BUCKS
Pryor came in because Boeckmann completely fell apart and lost his confidence in the USC game, as we were getting stomped. Tressel had nothing to lose.
JT is a different story. He still plays well enough to win most games.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Boeckmann could've beat Army with this team. And since when has the bar been lowered to where winning 'most games' is acceptable. We're talking about a 5th year senior on a loaded OSU team. JT is expected to win out the remaining games, and if he's not capable (which he's not), then even more reason to start a younger qb now.
We've seen this same debate for years. With Braxton Miller and Jt and Cardale. It was every week ppl complained about who should get in
whoever starts next year, Haskins or burrow, 3 bad passes and people will be bitching calling for a qb change.
Maybe for Tate Martell. Whoever loses the QB battle next spring between Burrow and Haskins will be transferring - and rightly so.
One man's trash, is another man's treasure
Yep. This was definitely a huge factor why Urban didn't have a true qb competition before the season.
Serious question, but what is a true qb competition? And how do you know this, whatever it is, did not occur?
When fans say this, this is code for, " I know there wasn't one because we can see that the best guy didn't win it."
It just amuses me that there is a part of our fan base that thinks that a guy like Meyer intentionally plays the second or third best guy, as if that is how you win all those games. SMDH.
You missed the point and/or you must not follow Spring ball very closely. JT took the majority of reps in the Spring and was always treated as the defacto returning starter. Urban sold it as he needed JT to get up to speed and familiar with Wilson's system. It was never an 'open' competition. The reps were not evenly distributed. It's really not hard to understand.
And it's your prerogative to not believe me, but ask anyone around the program or 11W keyed in staff if this year's Spring qb competition was anything like the qb competition between Cardale and JT in '15. They'll tell you the same thing.
Um, JT was treated as the defacto returning starter because he was the returning starter.
People see us not being able the compete for a NC with status quo and MAYBE one of the backups will change that. For me until our pass defense makes a huge step I don't see us in that category regardless of the QB. I'm really hoping next year we use two QBs and I think Wilson is that kind of coach who could pull it off. As far as the DBs go, if we continue to be last or near it we might as well have our 5* freshman getting experience.
Or, you could ask what you missed? People who know talent can see it quickly.
We should call and ask Urban with all his credentials what he's missing that all these highly qualified talent scouts have discovered
Agreed Buck Danger. I assume here we are talking about Urban Frank Meyer and his staff, and not ma meatloaf internet poster. Couldn't agree with you more.
Urban still praising and backing JT's poor play is okay and all good right? He's NEVER wrong about that right? But when he compliments and is impressed with Haskins he's overreacting right? Lol you JT nut huggers are funny
If anyone's hugging nuts I'd say it's the guy with a fairly new account and user name and picture praising one guy but what do I know. Urban said he did well and he did. Urban didn't say holy shit, hold onto your hats this kids blowing our minds lmao
At least you are consistent dude (and that's all you are is consistent).
Irrational JT apologists are the worst. It's always someone else's fault why he can't throw...the coaches, the o-line, and the wrs. It's never on JT. Truly pathetic. And there's nothing worse than lazy minds, who can't critically think for themselves, who try to win an argument by basically saying 'Trust in Urban' and 'You're just an internet poster'. Why do they even bother posting or coming to these boards if that's how they truly feel. Clearly, they're just happy blowing Scarlett and Grey smoke up each other's arses.
As far as the logic that Urban chose JT, over either Burrows or Haskins, because he is 'light' years ahead of them both. I would just respond that neither backup qb had a fair shot as there was not a true QB competition during spring and summer camp. Urban decided right away that he wanted JT to get the majority of off-season reps so he could become familiar with Wilson and Day. So Burrow and Haskins never stood a chance of starting because they weren't given equal reps and opportunities to do so. So while there's no debating Urban is an all-time coach, this ongoing qb problem is 100% his fault. He gambled and went all-in on JT this year as he was convinced that Wilson and Day would solve the downfield passing attack. Of course, it has not been solved and it is pure fantasy to think it ever will be under JT.
I think most JT supporters would agree he has some limitations with throwing the ball. But there is a lot more to playing QB than just dropping back and slinging it all over the field. If that were the case JaMarcus Russell would be in the Hall of Fame already. The coaches clearly feel like JT's leadership and ability to make correct reads outweigh his deficiencies in the passing game, thus he's your starter.
Right wrong of indifferent, that's where we're at.
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Unfortunately it is indeed where we are at. And just like many cat-called Tressel for being too conservative, I am being critical of Urban for this on-going QB problem. Re the JaMarcus analogy, wasn't his main problem that he was inaccurate? That sums up JT perfectly. Just look at the last 7 games and his passing completion % over 10 yards. Look at his career passing numbers against Mich St, PSU, and UM. They're abysmal. Again, I'm not making this personal. I'm sure JT's a 'great' guy, and I get why it's tough for Urban to give-up on a great locker-room guy....but I have zero doubt in my mind that many of the so called offensive and coaching problems would be rectified by having an accurate passer.
More than throwing the ball. Someone finally gets it
e's NEVER wrong about that right? But when he compliments and is impressed with Haskins he's overreacting right? Lol you JT nut huggers are funny
Ok, I'll bite.
Anti JT Guy in third quarter: Dude, it's fucking Army. Anyone could look good against 2 starts and walk ons. Do something against a good team.
Same Anti JT Guy at the end of the game: Dude, did you see how fucking good Haskins looked? He was lighting up those Division 1 athletes! This performance proves how great our backup QBs are.
Lol, you JT bashers are funny....
The problem with your argument is that JT did not look good passing the ball downfield against Army....save the last TD throw of the game. Was JT successful dinking and dunking and letting our superior athletes pile up passing yards due to YAC...without question.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you...I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in some of the arguments in the QB debate.
I was really impressed with the zip on his passes. Hope to see more of him (or Burrow) this week against UNLV.
Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.
I have to play devils advocate and say anyone of our qbs could do that if they were told to just snap the ball and throw to one guy. No reads, no defense evaluating, just snap and rip
Then why doesn't JT do it?
Pretty sure there is more to JT's role during a play. Truth is there is WAY more to it than you or me understand from our couch.
I'm not taking sides on this issue broadly, but JT could stand to throw the ball harder on WR screens. Our guys have the juice to make up for it against inferior talent, but we have some teams on our schedule who will make the WRs pay for the fraction of a second longer it takes JT to deliver those passes.
What you failed to see was Haskins pulled the trigger on timing routes while JT continues to wait until they are open.
I just don't think that is true. Haskins' release is literally twice as fast as JT's. JT is still cocking his arm and Haskins has the ball out.
Is there more to the position than that? yes. But in those 4 throws, I saw pretty clearly a much faster release and much higher velocity than I have seen from JT - who has had plenty of one read calls this year by the way.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
and much greater accuracy.
having said that though, there is much more to playing QB than arm strength and accuracy and I imagine that is why UFM plays the weaker armed less accurate QB because of everything else that goes into being a leader of the offense.
It really isn't much different than when you have a crafty veteran pitcher that can't break a pane of glass with his fastball anymore but is still serviceable versus the rookie who is throwing gas on the corners at 98mph but still hasn't learned how to completely pitch yet.
RE 'I have to play devils advocate and say anyone of our qbs could do that if they were told to just snap the ball and throw to one guy.'
Nope. JT is not able to do it if it's a pass over 10 yards. He would hold onto the ball too long, double clutch, get happy feet, and then get sacked. Then afterwards, JT apologists would blame the o-line and Stud's lack of development.
Yea, that's exactly how a guy became the most productive scorer in conference history. Perspective, JT has always been a system guy, that's been clear from day 1. You can't take a system away from a system guy then blame it all on him. Cardale has all the arm talent in the world & looked bad against Indiana & Hawaii let alone Clemson & OU & he had Pro Bowl caliber players at WR & RB & a line that has 2 of its members starting in the NFL & a third by next year. Stop it. Yes JT is limited, always has been. That doesn't change the fact that the issues with offense clearly go beyond just JT.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
So the gist of your point is ....'the offense has other issues and it's not all on JT'. For sure....but every single program in college football has 'issues'. And to go a step further, outside of Bama and Clemson, I would say nearly every team would love to have our non-qb related 'problems'. Our o-line has by all accounts a first rounder at left tackle, and an all-american candidate at center. There is experience (except for Bowen) and nfl talent across the board. Is Prince still growing as a player, absolutely. But like I said earlier, there is a Prince, weak-link, type player on every single team in college football. So if you think others are 'primarily' to blame for JT not being able to complete a 10+ yard pass since 2015, then that is a pretty weak excuse. And I will just say this about Cardale since you brought him up. He never lost a game, and he sure as hell didn't have nearly as long a leash as JT did after he played poorly. Plus entire coaching staffs and players weren't fired or thrown under the bus after Cardale played poorly. That special treatment is exclusively reserved for JT. As for why Cardale played poorly, I don't know, perhaps Urban should've stuck with the formula that allowed him to pull off the greatest 3 game stretch in program history as opposed to having him run a read option system which is not his skillset. What do you think?
JT can't complete a 10 yard pass, but he can throw 30 yard TD passes? Okay, hyperbole aside, the issues were exactly the same. Poor pass protection specifically on the right side which limited the playbook, compounded with the already stale playcalling & inconsistent play from every receiver not name Michael Thomas. The result was the deficiencies in both QB's game was throughly exposed. JT's ability as a passer & Cardale's grasp on the offense. Two players, with different skill sets, both dominant just the season before looked average just the next year when these problems emerged & any QB back there is going to face similar struggles against a legitimate D. Haskins has always been a better passer than JT, so was Cardale & just like Cardale Haskins's arm talent won't make much of a difference if the D knows exactly what's coming, receivers Can't get any separation, & the opposing D-Line is blowing through the right side. Before Herman left we saw 4 different QBs of varying styles, strengths, & weaknesses dominate. Clearly the issue is primarily with the philosophy, cohesiveness, & effectiveness of the offensive staff since Herman left otherwise an offense with an NFL QB, All-Pro RB, 4 NFL WRs, NFL HB, NFL TE, & 3 NFL OL wouldn't have struggled to move the ball against NIU & Hawaii.
It's not hyperbole, it's fact. Perhaps you are confused.... when I say 10+ yard passes, I meant a ball thrown at least 10 yards downfield in the air before it is caught. Of course, dink and dunks with YAC over 10 yards are not included. Here are the stats from the first 2 games of '17 if you care to look at them
7 of 19 throwing the ball 10+ yards.
2 of 14 for balls thrown over 15+ yards.
And this is against Indiana and Oklahoma! Oklahoma is not exactly an elite defense. I'm sure their D will be giving up more than 16 pts to everyone in the Big 12. There's also equally horrific downfield passing stats from the last 3 games of the '16 season, but I don't care to go look them up again.
As far as everything else you wrote regarding scheme and play-calling, I will let my comments speak for itself regarding the '15 season and Cardale. The offense was never tailored for him and I don't think he ever got the full support of the coaching staff. That's my 2 cents, you have your opinion about the Herman void which certainly carries validity with me as well, but let's move onto 2017. When I heard that JT was coming back for a 5th year, I was not thrilled at all...especially after his performance in those last 3 games. But like most everyone else, I was willing to drink the Kevin Wilson will fix JT kool-aid and keep an open mind. But nothing has changed in the first 3 games of this season. We are literally picking up exactly where we left off last year. So I am done blaming OCs and QB coaches, wrs not getting separation, and oline defencies....because they are not the major problems. All of these non-qb issues that people keep harping about are what I consider first-world problems.... because our staff and players are literally the envy of college football right now. So no, they are not the problem. The problem is that we have a woefully inaccurate qb who is unable to throw a wr open, a qb who has awful footwork, and most importantly, a qb who has all-time low confidence guiding our offense right now. You can not sit where you are and tell me that if Urban made a change with either of our backup qbs, and let's Kevin Wilson run an offense that suits either of their strengths, that the results will be any worse than what we're currently seeing. I simply do not buy it at all. JT is essentially neutralizing all of the talent that we have on offense because of his accuracy issues, and our playbook is being limited as well because there are simply too many things that he can not do well as a passer...which makes us very easy to scheme against! I've said it before and I'll keep saying it again...a good qb can hide flaws on a team. JT's deficiencies are actually enhancing the flaws on our team, and it's long overdue to stop assigning most of the blame to anything and anyone else other than him.
I created an account simply to respond to this post and tell you bravo.
JT can't complete a 10 yard pass but your provide stats they say he can & has as proof that your statement wasn't hyperbole?
Funny how Cardale had no problem adapting to an offense not catered to him the year before without an entire offseason huh? Keep spinning that narrative...
And this is the exact reason people are excited. His passes have life on them. The difference in arm strength between JT and Haskins is large. Its night and day. There is much more than arm strength needed to play QB at a high level obviously, but that particular talent make's our offense that much more deadly. Cardale Championship run as proof.
I hate to be a Debbie-Downer, but unless a QB change is imminent, nobody really cares who is #2.
I'm interested in who has the inside track to start next season.
Spoken like a guy who knows very little about football. Just one man talking here, but selecting a back up to give reps to in case of an injury sounds like a good idea. Something something about 2014-15 rings a bell here...
Spoken like a guy who knows very little about football.
Criticize JT Barrett in any way, and here come the cheap shots.
Let me help you out a bit.. if Burrow is game-ready, then obviously he is the #2 guy... If he's not game-ready, then we are discussing a back-up QB position race between two guys that are not even ready to play.
I think you might be taking my "nobody cares" comment a bit too literally. Even with my very limited knowledge of the sport, I understand why teams have depth-charts and try to identify who might replace the starter in case of injury.
I don't think your read my comment correctly. My issue isn't with who you think should start, but rather, with the "who cares who # 2 is," as if the starter is all that matters. Recent Ohio State history should have impressed upon you that this isn't the case. Read the comments more carefully if you intend to respond to them.
I read your comment and that's why I responded.
I said that I understand why depth charts are iimportant. Nobody is disputing that. The amount that someone cares about back up quarterbacks in the middle of the season is a matter of personal preference. I personally am more focused on who our best quarterback is, and the jury is still out.. But Urban has said that the conversation is a non-starter. So if a perfectly healthy starting quarterback is not going to be replaced, I'm cool with the silly "or" on the depth chart. It's not a pressing matter who is #2.. but that's just me.
But I went as far as to solve your problem for you. All reports say that Haskins and Burrow are neck and neck. Haskins is not "game-ready". I think we should assume that Burrow is not either, otherwise he would be the #2.
So I must say that your #2 guy is Tate Martell... or is he game-ready? Is there a chance we only have one game-ready QB on our roster?
If that's the case, then that solves everything. Barrett is #1 and #2.
No, I don't think you are connecting the dots correctly and using poor deductive reasoning. The comment about not being "game ready" was in reference to Haskins being made the starter, not who the back up is. I don't remember that being said about Burrow, but even if it was, it is irrelevant because, should JT get hurt, someone has to come in and play QB, whether they are "game ready" or not. It doesn't follow that just because he didn't mention if Martell is game ready or not that must mean that he is or now might be the # 2 (hard to know if you were being serious here), but common sense would suggest it wasn't mentioned because he has been here the least and one just assumes that he is not (and/or it isn't even an issue because he currently has a red shirt).
You most certainly down played the importance of who was number 2 (because all you care about is number 1), and I called you on it. It isn't more complicated than that. As I understand it, # 1 guy gets the most reps in practice, # 2 the next most, and # 3 gets whats left if there are any reps at all to be had with the first team. Since any team is one play away from the back up being in, seems important to me. That is why I referenced 2014-15.
When you make your QB run the ball inside or near the hashes, it's always important to know who your #2 is.
Whoever wins the No.2 spot, the Buckeyes are in very capable hands with both.
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Hoping Burrow is ready to go for UNLV.
I don't care about the depth chart (they'll be listed as OR anyway), but it's good for these guys to get experience.
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Me too. I'm anxious to see any guy throw a football, not named JT.
Guess any eagerness left the room long ago.
It is too bad with all that JT has done for OSU that we have haters out there openly attacking him.
Would be nice if Burrow was healthy and tOSU gets a huge lead by half time against UNLV. If such a situation where to occur, it would be nice to see both Burrow and Haskins get a quarter to show what they can do.
That would be optimal.
We'll know early, hopefully. If the good guys can jump out quickly and build from there, UFM should be able to empty the bench.
Have a feeling this is going to be akin to Florida A&M from a few years back.
No better time than the next few games to get the backups in-game reps. Either way, the future at Ohio State under center looks bright, just based on raw talent and what limited game experience we have seen.
We are being told that neither Burrow or Haskins is game-ready after multiple years in the offense for both.
That's not a good sign if you are to believe him.
I can see that with Burrow, especially given his injury. I cannot see that with Haskins. Why would they insert him into the Army game if he wasn't game ready? I get that it was late and the game was already well in hand; however, you don't run someone out there that will put themselves or their teammates in a position to fail, or even worse, get hurt.
To be clear, these are not my thoughts. This is the narrative that Coach Meyer is putting out there.
I personally think Dwayne Haskins would be a first day starter at at-least 75 schools around the country, right now. I think in the little bit of data that we have been privy to, he has been exceptional. I am sure there are some parts of his game that he is still working on and improving, but I think for Coach Meyer to proclaim that he is "not game ready", is needlessly slanderous to one of his players, and honestly it's just so subjective that I find it silly. If you like JT Barrett, just say you like JT Barrett and you have confidence that he is the man for the job. It seems to me that Coach Meyer is trying to scapegoat his own decisions at the expense of his back up quarterbacks.
Joe Burrow seems like a hell of a QB too. He is in his 3rd year in the system, so even discussing him not being "game ready" is to me much more of an indictment on the coaching staff than it is on the player. I personally am a Dwayne Haskins man, but I have said since the spring game, if you are a Joe Burrow guy, I totally get that.
You read these comments, and it's all about what Haskins and Burrow haven't done... and I agree, there resumes are not complete. But I ask you this, and then I will step down off my soap-box...
Ask not what Haskins or Burrow have done for this University, ask what they have actually had the opportunity to do.
I concur with you 100%. Upvote for you, good sir!
Meyer is a pro @ coschspeak. I take quite a few things he says with a spoon, not a grain of salt. Being "game ready" is one of those things!
I get that it was mop up duty against Army but Haskins has everything you want in a QB as far as stature in the pocket, arm talent.
You are 100% correct. What some people seem to overlook is that we don't run a pro set where we expect the QB to just drop back and pass from the pocket. Meyer runs a spread read option set. When JT does leave, it will be interesting to see how Meyer handles this (new OC whole new offense, or attempt to work a pocket passer into current offense).
Haskins and Burrow have both looked good in limited action. As others have shared, there is a lot that goes into playing QB, way beyond what shows on a stat sheet or the "eye test" of how they look throwing the ball. Burrow is a dual-threat guy, which has been our offense for most of the last 6 years, so I understand him possibly edging out Haskins when he is healthy.
Lets just hope that the next couple games one or the other gets in more often, maybe even in 3rd quarter. UNLV and Rutgers aren't going to eat the clock as Army did, which means more possessions for us, which maybe means being up 30 early in third quarter so we can get a longer sample of Haskins or Burrow.
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Just get the feeling that Joe is the odd man out.
GO GETTEM JOE!
Maybe, but could be Haskins despite all the hoopla. Urb's will decide not the fans nor the media.
Haskins arm talent is undeniable. What remains to be seen is how well and how quickly he can make progressions, limit mistakes, and run.. like it our not the QB run is here to stay. I think Burrow is more proven at this point but Haskins needs more game reps until I could really say who is better
UNLV is absolute butt so JT shouldn't see the field in the second half. Rotate the two kids each possession (like in the Spring Game) so they can get equal amount of snaps with the starters before mop up duty late fourth.
Judging from those hands Barrett has been practicing with the WR's.
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I smell a 7th starter!
Nah, I'd say the WRs haven't been practicing with Burrow (before the injury), or Haskins for that matter!
This might be one of the best stir the pot articles I've ever seen. Well done, Dan!!!
Only a blind man would say Burrows has as strong an arm as Haskins. Let the Sunday morning fights begin early for 2018!! HAH!!!
I'm pretty sure they both threw as far as they could in the spring and Burrow and Haskins were within a yard of each other. Cardale, flat footed, threw farther than both.
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The editorials in the Dispatch yesterday were a great microcosm of the fickle/out-of-touch OSU fan branch. Of course the QB debate rages on, and that is somewhat legit, but one guy was calling for UFM to be fired...what a joke.
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I look forward to seeing these young men play! The effort and commitment each makes to so rarely have a chance makes the pressure to perform far greater than the actual performance! It is no easy road to play QB at a place like our beloved program let us hope each has the pleasure to do so in some meaningful way without injury!
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By the way I keep hoping for Brian Hartline to get this season under his belt and Urban to give him a chance first as an understudy to our special teams staff and then full time WR coach!
Burrow and Haskins are better passers than JT. That being said, Haskins is a future star, either here or elsewhere. I think the way Urban has handled QB decisions (also see 2015) has been pretty horrible and this is trending towards another major mistake that can/may very well cost this team shots at national titles this year and beyond.
"I don't want to score at the end there in that game." Reuben isn't a competitor, fire him and steal Kevin Sumlin from Texas A&M /s
The answer may not be at the bottom of a bottle, but it never hurts to check.
JT must be teaching the receivers how to catch?
The other QBs sure are NOT watching JT to know how to PASS!
Urban has done a great job recruiting the QB position thus far - even though we don't know how any of them will pan out. Technically, Urban got the right dual threat QB in '13 when he landed JT - go back and look at who the others were.
This season probably won't matter a ton either way as far as who the starter will be in 2018. This QB battle will probably happen in the spring, and whoever wins it will have earned it. The guy who doesn't get it, will probably transfer - and they should be justified in doing so.
If everything keeps working out (REALLY hope Emory Jones keeps his commitment), I hate to say - but we'll be dealing with the same situation in 2020. The Burrow/Haskins winner will start in '18 and '19 if everything "works out" - and you'll have a redshirt soph in Tate Martell and a redshirt frosh in Jones who would battle it out in the spring of '20. The loser would probably transfer out.
I'm ok with this process, as long as we keep attracting 4&5* QBs. It's tough to have a true QB competition if there's already an incumbent. Next year, is when Burrow and Haskins will be able to battle it out - I wouldn't read much into who wins the backup role. This year is all talk.
Cardale Jones was Braxton's backup all of 2014 heading up to the season...until he wasn't. I think a QB competition is easier when there isn't an incumbent already in the role.
Hypothetically, what if Tate (or Emory) wins the QB comp next year? I wouldn't say that would be impossible, however it is unlikely, but both seem to fit more the Urban quarterback mold.
Seems like Urban is pretty loyal to folks who put the work in, I'd think he'd be inclined to give the nod to Burrow/Haskins since they've been in the program so long - and both look more than capable.
You do bring up a good point about the Urban QB mold.
So what happens if JT struggles in another big game? Which most line will.
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Next year, if the starter is Burrow or Haskins, half of us will be pining for the other guy ... and the other half will be pining for Martell.
It's just the nature of the backup QB position.
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It's such a good thing and yet a bad thing to have this many quality Q-B's in 1 room, I personally think the looser between Burrow and Haskins will bolt for a lower level team next year so that he can play right away and then transfer to a Div. 1 school the following year! I hope I am wrong though???
I'm in the camp of the "power spread/read option" is dead. Alabama runs a pro-style offense, as does Clemson, USC, UW, Stanford, scUM, etc. It's just WAY too predictable. Load 8-10 in the box, disrespect the QB's arm. There's our offensive problem. Both those things need to be "a tool in the toolbelt," but when you've got the athletes we have, just like in the NFL, you're wasting that talent by running the QB that much. A threat, yes, always, but not a staple in the diet. jmho.
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P.S. I wish Urban wasn't so loyal to J.T. and looked at it threw new glasses with no bias!
This is the way I see it:
- Haskins wins 2nd string job this year and goes into next year as the guy
- Burrow transfers to a Power 5 school and plays very well
- Haskins plays very well as well and declares for draft
- Tate and Jones battle it out in camp 2019 for starting job
What the heck are you basing this on? How the hell do you know Haskins would win the two job when Burrow has been 2 for the last year?
This just speaks to the utter absurdity of our views about QB. NO ONE, has seen Haskins play in a regular game situation. And NO the garbage time against Army doesn't count.
We literally have no idea what we're talking about yet we post as if we're some expert on the game.
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My apologies for this post. Out of line. Everyone has a right to their opinion.
What part of the word "I" is unclear to you? I personally think Haskins is very talented and exhibits great leadership ability. Not to say Burrow doesn't, but UFM said it himself that Haskins was the best pure QB coming out of HS that he has ever signed. I'd be fine with either, but to act like my post is completely out of line is utter insanity.
I understand to some extent that players are always proving themselves worthy of their spot on the depth chart. But going into the season I believe Burrow was named #2, as he should be. He is an exceptional talent that has not only the arm, but the head to be elite. So I hope if we come to a crossroads and Burrow isnt #2 that he wast no time packing his shit up and moving on. There is simply no way he should accept that bullshit. Haskins looked good, but no better than Burrow, and Burrow has looked fantastic.
Theire is only one truth...
Haskins looks great. Burrow is right there as well. I imagine Martell is a close third and the old weak guy is 4th. Don't worry, JTB usually beats both weak and mediocre teams. If it's about winning (it always should be). We should play our best. Haskins is ahead due to injury but in 10 - 15 days it should be the best on the field. Renewed open competition. Coach Wilson and Day are who "Should" decide.
I know they will all make mistakes but with Haskins we will have scored 21 more points so live and learn. Playing depth is essential as well.
Did someone say up tempo ? I didn't see it either.
Whoever starts at QB for the 2018 Buckeyes may be a question of best fit for the offense. I don't care who the starter is, I am just getting tired of seeing the Buckeyes struggling to throw the ball up the field which in turn makes for an offense that is easier to defend.
JT SET RECORDS BECAUSE HE'S STILL HERE!!!!!! Nobody wanted him, not even HERMIN, think teams are lining up to Draft him, not even Canada wants him, Urban will hire him and he' lol still be here and won us nothing, last week he almost missed two bubble screen passes, for crying out loud, 5 years those should be done blindfolded, FOX video , you can still she it , he almost missed the to pass great play by receiver to save that one.
QBGeddon 2 is going to be insanely fun to follow after this season. Burrow/Haskins/Tate/Jones.
Haskins put the ball on the money. Very quick release, high accuracy, laser beam assaults. The offense walked down the field as fast as I have seen in some time. The big question I have is how are his pre snap reads, does he understand what is coming at him and have the ability to check out. That I don't know, 4 passes against army late in the 4th won't convince me hes completely ready. I think his future is really bright and I expect when it is down to him and Burrow it will come down to who's the better runner. Who can execute the keeper on the option as both have good arms.
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Most teams would be happy to have JT. He has been fun to watch most of the time but if either Haskins or Burrow were playing right now the defense couldn't squeeze the field. It was Cardales arm strength that helped Zeke explode for 3 games. I think the run game would benefit greatly from Haskins or Burrow playing. I'm not sure Urban is interested in Haskins or Burrow getting meaningful snaps because it would be a full on qb controversy and it is undeniable at this point he wants JT to be the starting QB. Great coach..glad to have him but he is stubborn in his offensive beliefs and loyalty to some players. I think it would honestly break his heart to bench JT in his senior year. I would feel bad for JT myself. I know some are going to say it is a top program in the country and play who gives you the best chance to win and I agree to a point but it is college not the NFL and Urban seems prepared to bet the season he can get it done with the QB he is clearly emotionally invested in. I hope it works but will be ok and supportive of JT if it doesn't. Go Bucks
I liked what Haskins did,,I also like what Burrows has done..my choice is Burrow..it is gonna be a fight for this one if coaches havent already made up there mind...( i thought so earlier this year ) but i am impressed with both....see what is in the cards.....
The top recruited classes eventually produce the best teams ... just like Clemson and Alabama. But why not with the Buckeyes? It's because of the scheme and predictable play-calling! Meyer keeps saying "We need to get better" ... but what he means is ... "We need to get better ... at what we already do." Why? Why not move in a more creative direction? Call and design plays to get our top talent in positions of success? The other top teams do this. Meyer does not allow the Buckeyes to do the same. Let Kevin Wilson design and create and do what he does ... and not simple call Meyer existing plays.
Good lord maybe the other topic was right, the QB situation is ruining the forums. I got blown up for saying that I (keyword "I") believe Haskins will win the 2nd string job over Burrow for the rest of the year. C'mon man.
If we're talking 2018, I wouldn't be opposed to Haskins running the O with less zone read, and Martell coming in for red zone packages similar to Leak Tebow at UF.
Urban gives JT every chance to play and work to improve at the expense of giving his back-ups a solid opportunity to showcase their talents and get ready for real game situations with some meaningful playing time. I actually think they both may very well upstage JT if given the chance. At this rate, if nothing changes, I expect to see at least one of the current QBs possibly two leaving the program next year.
Tough call, I think both are talented and ready to be starters. I don't see either guy sitting another season, especially Burrow. It's become a logjam that at this point I think favors Haskins. Just too much potential upside to let him go. Burrow is in a better position to move on if he does not get the job. If JT had not come back I think it would have been Burrow this year followed by Haskins.
We have three legitimate QB's. Nice problem to have. Oh, it's Urban's choice.
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I don't know who is one or two. I do like a guy that can stand and deliver. Put two backs in the backfield and freeze the LBs Have a QB that runs enough to keep the drive alive. That's how we won the NC
I really don't give a rats about down votes. JT is our QB. He will take us as far as we are capable as a "TEAM". There are other issues that must be addressed before we are a CFP contender!.
There are Jr's and Seniors that are on this team that "came to tOSU to win as many games as possible" and to just say "Put Haskins/Burrow in and we will be patient if we lose a few games as long as we are setting up next year I would be ok with that." If I am on this team or I am a recruit I would run away from this program as fast as I could. Stop with the player bashing! Only if you are on the team do you have the "right" to call out other players! We are fans/spectators, and don't give me that crap about "I have that right because I pay ???? for a ticket. I used to love this site because of the insight a lot of members provide but it has turned into the most negative shit I have ever seen. It does not even matter what the title of the article... It turns into bashing JT. Please just stop.
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If I could give you 1000 up votes, I would.
You need to get off your high horse and stop being so dramatic. First of all, this is a comment board. How pathetic would it be if everybody just commented on how great everything is. That would just flat out suck. I respect, well-reasoned thoughtful debate....no matter what side of the JT fence that you fall on. Also, this is the comment section after an article written about our backup qbs. This is an entirely appropriate place to discuss the qb controversy. And I hate to break it to you, but there are a significant number of fans who want a change at qb. But I guess according to you, we all should just ignore that fact and never share our perspective on the matter. It's kinda funny actually, because I am seeing more personal attacks and less thoughtful debate from the pro-JT crowd rather than vice-versa. A typical pro-JT poster usually resorts to these kind of lame responses 1) 'LOL, a internet poster who thinks he smarter than Urban' or 2) 'Go root for another team' or my personal favorite 3) 'How dare you blame JT...it's the coaches, the o-line, and the wrs fault. Lastly, I have not read one poster who advocated booing JT. I have never and will never cheer against one of our players, and I've said time and time again, that I really hope that I am wrong when I say that JT will not lead us a playoff .....or very likely a BIG championship the way things are going.
Does Haskins have the potential to be great? Absolutely. But let's be realistic here. His time was against the 2nd string of a fringe bowl-worthy service academy when the game was already in hand. A slight difference between that and the 1st string of UM, PSU, or MSU. Plus he wasn't forced to scramble or get hit. We haven't seen live how mobile he is getting out of the pocket, and whether or not his throws are accurate when moving. Also, whether or not he'll have that "I can make that throw" and make a freshman mistake leading to a turnover as opposed to tossing it out of bounds. I know all those JT throwaways out of bounds drive us crazy (I know it drives me crazy), but it's still better than forcing an interception.
Since you brought it up RunningFree, here are JT's career passing stats as a starter against UM, PSU, and MSU. Looks like a pretty low bar to me. I have zero doubt in my mind that Haskins or Burrows could do better....
Mich St - 3 gm pass yd avg 144 yd 55% completion rate (2-1 W/L)
Penn St - 2 gm pass yd avg 159 yd 62% completion rate (1-1 W/L)
(Cardale started against PSU in '15)
UM - 3 game pass yd avg 138 yd, 54% completion rate (3-0 W/L)
If you recall he willed a victory in the PSU game with an injured knee. 3-0 against UM. Listing strictly passing stats is not a fair judgement of JT. Can the other 2 qbs give us a better chance to win this year...maybe...Im against benching JT for a maybe...he has done alot for TOSU and I would hate to see his career end on the bench. These are kids...this is not the NFL...benching a kid who has put his heart and soul into OSU for a maybe is something I don't want to see.
Yes, he 'willed' his way to beat a very mediocre PSU team after throwing 2 ints, passing for 74 yards, and rushing for 75 yds on 20 attempts. I think Burrow or Haskins can 'maybe' do better than that.
Taking nothing away from Burrow or J.T. - I was impressed with Haskins.
That is all.
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